[05:12] <harry_> whats the diffrence between 'su' command and 'sudo su -' command ???
[05:35] <fUDGEx> E.NET
[06:06] <AlanBell> morning all
[06:09] <popey> lo
[06:35] <TheOpenSourcerer> Morning
[06:36]  * TheOpenSourcerer wonders if AlanBell is wake yet. Perhaps he has been celebrating the UK loco reapproval with oodles of pimms.
[06:38] <AlanBell> TheOpenSourcerer: yes
[06:38] <TheOpenSourcerer> Ambiguous answer ;-)
[06:38] <AlanBell> I had about a pint and a half of pimms+lemonade
[06:55] <MartijnVdS> at this time in the morning?
[06:56] <MooDoo> AlanBell: congrats on the re-approval, apologies i couldn't make the meeting, someone decided to have fake contractions last night ;)
[06:57] <MooDoo> oh morning all
[07:09] <diplo> Morning all
[07:09] <diplo> They are great aren't they MooDoo
[07:09] <MooDoo> morning
[07:12] <MooDoo> diplo: fake contractions?
[07:12] <diplo> yep
[07:12] <diplo> :)
[07:12] <MooDoo> diplo: not when you're at 8+15 :)
[07:14] <diplo> Been a few years for me now, but the unknown bit gets the heart pumping a bit
[07:14] <diplo> :)
[07:15] <MooDoo> diplo: yup :D  shame as i really wanted to come to the re-approval meeting......
[07:15] <MooDoo> lol
[07:15] <diplo> lol, I like your priorities :P
[07:15] <diplo> No IRC on the phone ?
[07:15] <MooDoo> diplo: oh yeah, you know how it is, think you're wifes in labour and PANIC!!!!! :D
[07:15] <MooDoo> lol
[07:16] <daubers> Gah, stupid ffmpeg
[07:18] <popey> wassup?
[07:19] <christel> morning
[07:19] <MooDoo> morning
[07:20] <christel> MooDoo: i gather you had an exciting day huh? :)
[07:21] <MooDoo> christel: evening, yes, false alarm though :S AGAIN!!!! lol
[07:21] <livingdaylight> greetings
[07:22] <christel> the joys of braxton-hicks!
[07:22] <livingdaylight> Anyone familiar familiar with subsonic? just dl it but do not see it anywhere in menu. Alt+F2 and "subsonic" doesn't launch it either. anyone?
[07:22] <MooDoo> christel: that's the one :D
[07:23] <MooDoo> christel: but we're so close now, i could be the real thing :)
[07:23] <christel> :)
[07:23] <christel> super exciting times ahead :D
[07:23] <MooDoo> christel: oh yes, little brother is dead excited, albeit it VERY clingy :D
[07:24] <christel> :D
[07:24] <diplo> livingdaylight, Open a terminal and try running it rather than alt f2
[07:24] <diplo> So you can see any output
[07:25] <livingdaylight> diplo cheers
[07:25] <livingdaylight> livingdaylight@pebble:~$ subsonic
[07:25] <livingdaylight> Started Subsonic [PID 2408, /var/subsonic/subsonic_sh.log]
[07:25] <livingdaylight> What does that mean?
[07:26] <MooDoo> looks like it's ran :)
[07:26] <popey> "Started Subsonic" what do you think that means?
[07:26] <MooDoo> livingdaylight: it looks like it's started as a daemon
[07:26] <MooDoo> ps -ef | grep subsonuc     see if it's running :)
[07:27] <diplo> It's also outputting to a log file, maybe worth seeing if anything in there
[07:28] <livingdaylight> ok, guys, apparently its running but can only be accessed from a browser
[07:28] <livingdaylight> I'll check into that
[07:37] <daubers> popey: ffmpeg seems to have decided to crop the videos I compressed overnight, even though I've not put a crop thing in
[07:39] <popey> daubers: crop by how much?
[07:39] <daubers> enough to take the presenter off the right hand side and just show the slides
[07:39] <popey> odd
[07:39] <popey> did it change aspect ratio?
[07:39] <daubers> No, same aspect
[07:40] <daubers> Done it to all 13 videos I was compressing
[07:40] <popey> I'd do one at a time then ☺
[07:42] <daubers> popey: Was fine until I added a deinterlace step
[07:43]  * daubers wonders if a compressor cluster would be quicker]
[07:45] <daubers> Is it me, or is this startting to look a little bit lcars with the thick darker lines running around the edges http://www.markshuttleworth.com/?p=717
[07:45] <popey> looks too busy to me
[07:45] <popey> also.. having pirated films in a screenshot fail
[07:47] <popey> also the black blob next to pidgin where he painted by accident
[07:48] <diplo> lol popey I hadn't noticed that
[07:48] <diplo> Anyone let him know ?
[07:48] <daubers> seriously, it's not far from that to this http://www.lcars.org.uk/
[07:49] <diplo> :o
[07:50] <MartijnVdS> that would make it more Enterprise-y
[07:51] <MartijnVdS> NCC-1701-D Enterprise-y :)
[07:51] <daubers> I for one welcome our new Federation overlords......
[07:52] <MooDoo> kaplah!   oops damn found out :)
[08:07] <bigcalm> Ug Ug
[08:08] <bigcalm> I think I'm still recovering from the weekend
[08:08] <MooDoo> :)
[08:08] <christel> poor bigcalm
[08:10] <bigcalm> Thank goodness that it's a 4 day week
[08:10] <bigcalm> Good morning my dear christel :)
[08:10] <christel> Good morning <3
[08:15] <gord> thats not an actual screenshot btw ;) just a mockup
[08:15] <gord> of what users might have
[08:16] <popey> sure
[08:16] <popey> that makes it worse
[08:16] <popey> someone actually _thought_ about what goes on screen rather than just pressing print-screen
[08:20] <gord> fun little fact that no one has picked up on but i spent like, an entire *day* working on! if you change your wallpaper, we pick out a colour from it and change the colour of unity to suit :)
[08:20] <popey> he says that in the post
[08:21] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Paul Mellors] Movies on demand. - http://paulmellors.blogspot.com/2011/08/movies-on-demand.html
[08:23] <davmor2> morning all
[08:23] <bigcalm> Morning
[08:24] <MooDoo> morning
[08:24] <^aDaM> Morning all.. :)
[08:39] <diplo> MooDoo, have you tried handbrake as well to rip dvd's ? I prefer it over acid rip
[08:40] <MooDoo> diplo: nope, i did actually just try the first one i found and it seemed to work ok :)  i'll look into it though cheers :)
[08:40] <popey> handbrake is good
[08:41] <MooDoo> yeah it looks it, i'll give it a try
[08:43] <MooDoo> anything to stop my son driving me nuts ;)
[08:45] <gord> mini-itx gave me a tracking number, the tracking number gives you a specified time when the item will be delivered of about an hour, taking all the fun out of refreshing the page constantly
[08:45] <popey> MooDoo: what's he doing?
[08:46] <MooDoo> popey: ah just normal toddler stuff, want to watch that dvd, 2 mins later, no that one, not that one no that one....lol
[08:46] <popey> "no" is the answer
[08:46] <popey> "You watch this one or none at all"
[08:46] <MooDoo> i know i know, just wanted a better solution than changing dvds all the time :)  it's the ggek in me :D
[08:47] <diplo> MooDoo, exactly the reason why I started 'backing' mine up
[08:47] <gord> "you watch this one or i'm putting on the live stream of parliament"
[08:47] <popey> :D
[08:47] <diplo> Also the problem with finger prints all over the DVD's
[08:47] <popey> zzzzzzzzzzzzzz
[08:47] <popey> ooo
[08:48] <popey> minecraft 1.8 will have beef!
[08:48] <gord> love film has streaming of kids shows if you have that and a ps3 or something
[08:49] <gord> popey, i thought minecraft already had beef? from punching cows?
[08:50] <MooDoo> that reminds me, not looked at the map in ages
[08:50] <popey> nope
[08:52] <popey> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TCm6cPkLBJY
[08:53] <gord> oooh pork
[08:53] <diplo> gord, do you have LoveFilm ?
[08:53] <gord> diplo, yup
[08:53] <diplo> Been thinking about trying it for ages
[08:53] <diplo> Do you use it on your PS3 ?
[08:54] <gord> yup
[08:57] <diplo> Might try there trial thing on there then
[08:57] <diplo> I'd rather that than get Sky Movies I think
[08:59] <diplo> Which package are you on ?
[09:00] <gord> iruno
[09:00] <gord> one that gives me streaming and two disks
[09:08] <bigcalm> popey: looks like pork will be stackable as well?
[09:09] <czajkowski> hmmm
[09:12] <bigcalm> Things that makes you go...
[09:21] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Jonathan Riddell] 245 Desktop Summit Names to Find - http://blogs.kde.org/node/4470
[09:36] <HazRPG> morning boys and girls :)
[09:38] <dogmatic69> o/
[09:59] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[09:59] <MooDoo> hi
[10:00] <brobostigon> hi MooDoo
[10:05] <judgey> hey guys im just setting up lamp on ubuntu server - im doing sudo  tasksel - how do i pick lamp in ssh. I press enter and it just shuts down
[10:10] <judgey> dont worry i worked it out, space bar ;)
[10:15] <diplo> :D
[10:19] <gord> hehe i like that it shuts down when you press enter
[10:19] <gord> cos i mean, who would do that?!
[10:20] <MooDoo> judgey: spooky, i've just ran that myself :)
[10:20] <judgey> lol
[10:22] <judgey> u installed this yet?
[10:22] <judgey> sudo  apt-get  install  phpmyadmin
[10:22] <judgey> i can not load it in my web page
[10:22] <diplo> Didn't know they had packaged it :) shows how little I use it
[10:22] <judgey> http://ip/phpmyadmin
[10:23] <diplo> Had a look in error logs ?
[10:23] <judgey> hehe
[10:23] <judgey> it installed ok by the looks of it just says it aint there
[10:23] <judgey> when i try and load teh page
[10:24] <diplo> Restarted apache ?
[10:24] <judgey> tryed that to :|
[10:24] <diplo> /etc/init.d/apache2 restart
[10:24] <diplo>  /var/log/apache2/error.log
[10:24] <diplo> ?
[10:24] <diplo> See if any errors
[10:24] <judgey> The requested URL /phpmyadmin/ was not found on this server.
[10:24] <judgey> oky
[10:25] <diplo> Not sure how it works with it symlinks into it or whether it's added to httpd.conf
[10:25] <diplo> I'll just google a mo
[10:27] <diplo> Ok, it uses phpmyadmin.conf in /etc/apache2/conf.d/
[10:27] <diplo> Just have a quick look and see if that looks okay
[10:27] <judgey> kool
[10:27] <judgey> ill look now thx
[10:28] <judgey> wot am i looking for diplo
[10:29] <diplo> Where it's linked to, I suppose I could install it a mo and take a look, I do all my mysql via cmd line
[10:29] <diplo> Downloading now
[10:29] <judgey> thanks loads
[10:29] <judgey> brb need some coco pops lol
[10:34] <diplo> sudo ln -s /etc/phpmyadmin/apache.conf /etc/apache2/conf.d/phpmyadmin.conf
[10:35] <diplo> Seems to not be symlinking
[10:36] <diplo> It says its caused by not selecting apache2 on install
[10:36] <diplo> But I  defo did and had same issue
[10:36] <diplo> The above fixed mine
[10:38] <judgey> wow kool nice one, will i have to use that cmd again if i reboot the server or anyrhing?
[10:38] <diplo> No should be fine
[10:38] <diplo> Unless you rm it
[10:40] <judgey> kool, right next thing i need to do/learn is to add users and passwords for mysql databases
[10:41] <judgey> found it
[10:41] <judgey> haha kool
[10:41] <MooDoo> judgey: just click the privaliges tab :)
[10:42] <judgey> lol just found that ;p
[10:44] <diplo> Or via the command line is just as easy :)
[10:54] <judgey> ok thats all good forums and database all done and working, now to add a domain is the a controll panel for that?
[10:55] <MooDoo> not really, you'll need to edit/create a conf file.
[10:59] <diplo> http://www.ubuntugeek.com/howto-create-name-based-and-ip-based-virtual-hosts-in-apache.html
[10:59] <diplo> Basics there judgey
[10:59] <judgey> cheers will read mow :)
[11:00] <diplo> bbiab
[11:01] <directhex> i ordered my new phobile moan \o/
[11:03] <popey> go on!
[11:03] <popey> new pre?
[11:13] <Myrtti> oh my how expensive the N9 is going to be :-/
[11:14] <popey> and oh my how unavailable..
[11:15] <Myrtti> it's a good thing I'm fairly depressed already at everything
[11:15] <Myrtti> this would make me even more sad, if it were possible
[11:18] <Myrtti> AlanBell: where do you want me to file a bug about the Ubuntu UK map? :->
[11:19] <Myrtti> alternatively, do you have any advice on how I should be doing the addition of second pin? I seem to be failing, still
[11:20] <bigcalm> Myrtti: if you are failing, then there is a ui bug
[11:21] <Myrtti> or documentation bug
[11:21] <bigcalm> Yus
[11:22] <HazRPG> brobostigon: hey dude, you got a moment?
[11:22] <HazRPG> brobostigon: Android based question :)
[11:24] <MooDoo> HazRPG: ask away, others might know ;)
[11:24] <HazRPG> Its rooting related :)
[11:25] <MooDoo> hehe rooting rocks, i bodged my way through updating mine to cyanogen :D
[11:25] <HazRPG> I haven't done it before, so its new to me... seems I can backup fully (as in Nandroid backup) without root, I can't get root without first unlocking the bootloader... and to do that it wipes your phone (*sigh*)
[11:26] <HazRPG> I think this is the only thing I've ever been worried about rooting/hacking
[11:27] <HazRPG> doesn't help that there's more than one way to do it
[11:27] <HazRPG> question is, which is the best way?
[11:27] <HazRPG> or which has people done they would recommend
[11:27] <MooDoo> i just followed the instructions on the cyanogen site and hoped for the best [which isn't the best way:)
[11:28] <HazRPG> I've already gone the MyBackup/SMS Backup+ stuff to make sure everything is backed up... currently undergoing an SD card backup to grab all those things and have them sitting at my desktop.
[11:28] <brobostigon> HazRPG: i have yes, but it seems MooDoo is helping you.
[11:29] <HazRPG> brobostigon: did you just follow the cyanogenmod directions too?
[11:29] <MooDoo> brobostigon: help away, i did the bodge it and scarper mention :)
[11:29] <MooDoo> s/method
[11:29] <directhex> popey, yeah, new pre. on the company plastic
[11:30] <popey> does the pre use gstreamer then? :D
[11:30] <brobostigon> HazRPG: mostly, yes,
[11:32] <judgey> wot phone?
[11:32] <judgey> ic
[11:33] <HazRPG> Nexus One :)
[11:34] <directhex> popey, as it happens, yes
[11:35] <judgey> have u seen
[11:35] <judgey> http://forum.xda-developers.com/wiki/index.php?title=Nexus_One/Guides_%26_Tutorials#Root
[11:35] <judgey> superoneclick
[11:37] <judgey> god this is so hard
[11:37] <judgey> adding a domain is the hardest part
[11:37] <HazRPG> I have read about SuperOneClick, but I read somewhere that it doesn't work with 2.3.4 I think
[11:37] <judgey> yer i just saw m8
[11:37] <judgey> sorry
[11:38] <judgey> http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=556
[11:38] <judgey> loads of stuff here tho
[11:38] <directhex> HERE IS MY DETAILED GUIDE TO ROOTING A WEBOS DEVICE: type "upupdowndownleftrightleftrightbastart". touch the "developer mode" button. flick the developer mode switch, click restart
[11:38] <directhex> you now have root. enjoy.
[11:38] <HazRPG> heh
[11:39] <Howie> good afternoon everyone
[11:39] <MooDoo> hiya
[11:39] <judgey> HazRPG:  here is a diffrent one click thing
[11:39] <judgey> http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=747598
[11:39] <directhex> to access your rooted device, plug into a PC with the SDK installed, and run "novaterm" to get a root shell. or install a terminal emulator directly on the device via palm-install or some other utility
[11:40] <Howie> is ubuntu ment to beep on shutdown?
[11:40] <directhex> depends on the hardware, i think
[11:41] <Howie> I press shutdown and the bios speaker beeps loudly
[11:42] <HazRPG> judgey: just looked through the list, seems that only Nexus One (2.2) has been tested, but it might not work
[11:42] <judgey> :(
[11:42] <Howie> is this ment to happen or it it a mistake?
[11:44] <Howie> or is it just me?
[11:45] <MooDoo> i can't remember if my laptop does it or not
[11:47] <HazRPG> My sister's laptop (DELL & Acer) use to beep on reboot/shutdown, so I wouldn't worry about it
[11:47] <HazRPG> its a BIOS feature, think it can be turned off (but don't quote me on that)
[11:47] <HazRPG> its just to alert the user that a shutdown/reboot has been instigated
[11:48] <MooDoo> turn off system sound in biod
[11:48] <MooDoo> bios
[11:49]  * Howie goes into bios setup
[11:49] <Howie> what menu is it cmos setup (standard) or something else?
[11:51] <HazRPG> should be CMOS stuff :)
[11:51] <drussell> other way would be to blacklist the pcspkr
[11:52] <drussell> http://ubuntuguide.net/disable-the-annoying-beep-when-you-shutdown
[11:52] <Howie> or just unplug the speaker?
[11:53] <drussell> Howie: well, I wouldn't recommend diving inside your laptop to do that
[11:54] <Howie> its a desktop
[11:54] <Howie> not a laptop
[11:56] <Howie> so will it work or muck it up?
[11:56] <dwatkins> there should be an option for that, Howie - you shouldn't ned to disable the speaker entirely (although some BIOSes allow you to do this)
[11:56] <drussell> Howie: yeah that will work fine, but the software change is easier than getting the case open ;o)
[11:57] <drussell> dwatkins: depends on the bios, some do, some don't, just luck of the draw
[11:57] <dwatkins> indeed drussell
[11:58] <Howie> so where will it be in setup on an amibios
[11:59] <drussell> Howie: if you can't see it, it's probably not there
[11:59] <Howie> in that case its not there
[12:02] <HazRPG> brobostigon: did you pick clockwork mod or amon_ra's recovery method?
[12:02] <brobostigon> HazRPG: amon_ra
[12:02] <HazRPG> brobostigon: any reason for picking that one?
[12:02] <HazRPG> Or are both the same?
[12:03] <brobostigon> HazRPG: i dont remeber. but on my htc dream, there were some differences, yes.
[12:05] <HazRPG> brobostigon: hmm, seems this wiki doesn't tell you how to get root, it just shows you how to unlock the bootloader
[12:11] <brobostigon> HazRPG: the wiki did say how to get root her, it was to go back to a specific android version, that you could directly su into root, from terminal.
[12:15] <popey> http://www.andypad.co.uk/
[12:15] <popey> interesting
[12:16] <mgdm> ooo
[12:17] <Myrtti> nice
[12:17] <MooDoo> popey: it's rubbish, angry birds isn't installed by default ;)
[12:25] <gord> woo, new mini-itx machine is built, dual core atom this time, i can *feel* the power
[12:26] <popey> I want a datacentre full of ARM servers
[12:27] <popey> http://vimeo.com/27496401
[12:27] <czajkowski> how do you tell what version chrome you're using :/
[12:27] <popey> you dont :D
[12:27] <popey> you just use the latest
[12:27] <czajkowski> how do I know I'm running the latest
[12:27] <popey> PS. click the spanner then About Google Chrome
[12:27] <brobostigon> czajkowski: in the spanner menu, about * .
[12:27] <gord> i was waiting for a nice arm board to come out, but i couldn't wait in the end :(
[12:27] <popey> which arm boards did you dismiss?
[12:27] <czajkowski> spanner
[12:28] <czajkowski> thats what I missing
[12:28] <czajkowski> thanks
[12:28] <popey> yes, spanner
[12:28] <MartijnVdS> czajkowski: Chrome puts a file in /etc/apt/sources.list.d pointing to the Google server with new versions on it
[12:28] <brobostigon> czajkowski: top tight.
[12:28] <judgey> got to go for teh car mot now sooo hope it passes, ill be back laster to finish of the domain :| afk
[12:28] <popey> czajkowski: what version you got there?
[12:28] <MartijnVdS> if you use the update-manager (or apt-get update) regularly,  you have the latest version
[12:28] <popey> 12.0.742.124
[12:28] <czajkowski> 13.0.782.107
[12:28] <popey> ?
[12:28] <gord> i couldn't actually find any to buy :)
[12:29] <brobostigon> 15.0.855.0
[12:29] <popey> 127893129312.0.235.12351825
[12:30] <MartijnVdS> 14.0.835.94 beta
[12:31] <popey> http://uk.farnell.com/texas-instruments/beagle-xm/kit-dev-beagleboard-xm-omap35x/dp/1823269
[12:31] <MartijnVdS> popey: your time machine is malfunctioning
[12:33] <gord> eh, arm is supposed to be cheep. that thing costs more than the mini-itx i got
[12:33] <gord> and doesn't have sata at all
[12:34] <popey> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5vEHMBKKZwI
[12:37] <gord> how not to run a web store selling ethernet cables "Belkin Cat5e Snagless UTP Patch Cable (Grey) 5m -Buy new: £3.02 - Usually dispatched within 1 to 2 months"
[12:39] <daubers> gord: I'm waiting for something to say "Usually dispatched never"
[12:44] <MartijnVdS> ♫ Six to eight years to arrive
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[12:57] <davmor2> gord: I'm seeing both alt-tab versions currently should I be and how can I turn one or the other off please?
[12:57] <gord> davmor2, either turn off one in ccsm or unity --reset
[12:57] <davmor2> gord: thanks
[13:11]  * Howie is still here
[13:12] <MooDoo> hello Howie
[13:13] <Howie> hello again MooDoo
[13:16]  * Howie just got a shock of off the psu
[13:16] <brobostigon> :(
[13:16] <MooDoo> ouch
[13:16] <Howie> yeah ouch
[13:18] <gord> ... don't touch it
[13:18] <Azelphur> woo, my G930 arrived
[13:18] <Azelphur> works ootb with Ubuntu :D
[13:18] <Azelphur> also [38954.494487] input: Logitech Logitech G930 Headset as /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1d.2/usb8/8-1/8-1:1.3/input/input15
[13:18] <Azelphur> headset is an input device, because I can.
[13:19] <directhex> Azelphur, it has buttons for volume, presumably
[13:19] <Azelphur> directhex: haha, it has more than just that :D
[13:19] <gord> oh a headset, i guessed phone
[13:20] <Azelphur> hehe
[13:20] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: more than volume? it has a keyboard attached to it?
[13:20] <Azelphur> MartijnVdS: yep.
[13:21] <Azelphur> I got the full logitech gaming set now, http://gamesweb.sk/editor/images/pages/2/13357/logitech-gseries.jpg \o/
[13:21] <Azelphur> apart from I use a Logitech TrackMan instead of that mouse
[13:21] <directhex> i need a new mouse. care to mail me a g9?
[13:21] <Azelphur> haha
[13:22] <Azelphur> I have a G5, but my brother uses it
[13:22] <directhex> my wife has a g5
[13:22] <Azelphur> tis a nice mouse :)
[13:23] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: money > sense? :P
[13:24] <Azelphur> noes
[13:24] <MartijnVdS> not anymore then
[13:27] <Azelphur> MartijnVdS: haha
[13:35] <diplo> Anyone know much about Perl DBI ?
[13:35] <diplo> perl.org down and can't find an answer atm
[13:35] <MartijnVdS> diplo: I know a bit
[13:35] <diplo> For watever reason some one at my work place is running XAMPP on our boxes
[13:35] <diplo> DBI is installed
[13:36] <diplo> But the path it's looking for the mysql.sock is /var/lib/mysql/mysql.sock
[13:36] <diplo> Where as XAMPP puts it in xampp
[13:36] <diplo> Just wondering if i can configure DBI to tell where the sock file is
[13:36] <diplo> Rather than ln -s
[13:37] <MartijnVdS> diplo: try looking in the DBD::MySQL manual
[13:37] <diplo> Will google that now ta
[13:37] <MartijnVdS> diplo: I think it might work in the hostname field
[13:38] <MartijnVdS> diplo: in DBD::mysql it says
[13:38] <MartijnVdS> diplo: "DBI:mysql:databasename;mysql_socket=/path/to/socket"
[13:38] <diplo> heh just found that as well thanks,
[13:41] <diplo> Hmm, still not happy..
[13:41]  * diplo digs some more
[13:41] <MartijnVdS> diplo: what's the error?
[13:41] <MartijnVdS> diplo: are you allowed to open the socket?
[13:42] <Azelphur> Anyone know if there's a way to just loop what I'm saying back through the headset?
[13:42] <diplo> ah good point..
[13:42] <Azelphur> noise cancellation is so good I can't hear myself speak >.<
[13:42] <diplo> failed: Cant connect to local MySQL server through socket
[13:42] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: it's an option I think?
[13:43] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: in the sound prefs?
[13:43] <Azelphur> yea but where abouts :P
[13:44] <diplo> Fails as root as well
[13:45] <diplo> mysql.sock is owned by nobody so should be fine
[13:45] <MartijnVdS> diplo: what's the message? :)
[13:46] <diplo> failed: Cant connect to local MySQL server through socket
[13:47] <MartijnVdS> diplo: maybe it wants to connect to localhost?
[13:48] <diplo> I just read about that, set to localhost atm
[13:48] <diplo> Wondering about changing to loopback
[13:48] <MartijnVdS> don't set a hostname
[13:48] <MartijnVdS> then it shuold use the local socket
[13:48] <diplo> ok
[13:50] <diplo> Done, thanks!
[13:54] <ali1234> regarding that screenshot... this is why zeitgeist is a terrible idea
[13:54] <popey> heh
[13:54] <ali1234> at least it wasn't midget porn
[13:55] <popey> lol
[14:07] <MartijnVdS> there's always the next screenshot, ali1234
[14:07] <ali1234> yeah, unless someone comes to their senses and redesigns unity from scratch
[14:08] <MooDoo> that aint going to happen.
[14:08] <MooDoo> i'd love a key stroke that hides the menu bar from view and doesn't come back until you hit the keystroke again
[14:08] <MooDoo> instead of the mouse over
[14:09] <brobostigon> like the superkey in gnome-shell.
[14:09] <MooDoo> yeah
[14:45] <gord> everyone should own a revo, if only for the awesome little useful keyboard you get with it
[14:45]  * daubers starts test render 5
[14:48] <dogmatic69> new meaning to a computer crash... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZjK4_sAl904
[14:48] <daubers> popey: Just got the following text message "SAP is a very, very naughty word. AdHoc Query is worse.
[14:48] <daubers> "
[15:06] <MooDoo> davmor2: where you been slacker?
[15:07] <davmor2> MooDoo: I'm in a QA sprint in London so swapping between rooms etc
[15:08] <MooDoo> cool
[15:12] <Howie> afternoon all
[15:12] <gord> hrm, anyone know why dhcp might not be working on my server?
[15:12] <judgey> hey :)
[15:12] <judgey> my car passed yippy
[15:13] <davmor2> MooDoo: yeah learning how to break czajkowski^WSoftware in new and interesting ways
[15:13] <MooDoo> davmor2: czajkowski will love you for that......
[15:14] <Howie> judgey car passed what mot?
[15:14] <czajkowski> davmor2: I can't use gwibber any more :/
[15:14] <judgey> my car had its mot today and passed
[15:14] <davmor2> czajkowski: on oneiric or natty?
[15:14] <czajkowski> natty
[15:14] <czajkowski> crashes on start up
[15:14]  * MooDoo doesn't like gwibber in oneiric
[15:16] <MooDoo> so use tweet deck lol
[15:17] <bigcalm> I thought air had been pulled from linux?
[15:17] <MooDoo> bigcalm: i just download it from the adobe site.
[15:17] <MooDoo> i'm not using 64bit natty
[15:18] <bigcalm> Fair enough :)
[15:20] <diplo> judgey, Get it all sorted ?
[15:21] <judgey> not yet im so lost with adding the domain :|
[15:21] <diplo> Where have you got to ?
[15:21] <judgey> o sorry
[15:21] <judgey> get my car moted
[15:21] <judgey> :)
[15:21] <judgey> passed
[15:21] <judgey> yay
[15:21] <judgey> sorry im reading it all wrong
[15:21] <Azelphur> judgey: you was the ehcp guy from yesterday right?
[15:22] <judgey> yer hey
[15:22] <Azelphur> cool
[15:22] <judgey> i have done all of lamp
[15:22] <Azelphur> how goes it?
[15:22] <judgey> im kool thx dude u?
[15:22] <judgey> i di da reinstall
[15:22] <MooDoo> -did the :)
[15:22] <MooDoo> sorry lol
[15:22] <judgey> done lamp and phpmyadmin
[15:22] <judgey> lol
[15:23] <diplo> How far have you got with v hosts ?
[15:23] <judgey> just stuck at adding a domain im reading this...
[15:23] <judgey> http://www.ubuntugeek.com/howto-create-name-based-and-ip-based-virtual-hosts-in-apache.html
[15:23] <judgey> just lost with it all
[15:23] <Azelphur> judgey: nice :)
[15:23] <Azelphur> I use lighttpd myself
[15:23] <diplo> I take it you have pointed domain to your box ?
[15:23] <judgey> not done named servers yet
[15:23] <judgey> will do when i have this sorted cos i want as less downtime as pos
[15:24] <judgey> its still pointing to the old server
[15:24] <judgey> with ehcp on it
[15:24] <diplo> It's quite simple to set up a basic vhost
[15:24] <judgey> :o
[15:24] <diplo> Live ?
[15:24] <judgey> yer on the old server
[15:25] <judgey> only a few more days on it so nps
[15:25] <judgey> new server will never have it again
[15:25] <Azelphur> judgey: are you running Ubuntu at home too?
[15:25] <Azelphur> (not on the server, but at home)
[15:25] <judgey> no win7
[15:25] <Azelphur> boring :p
[15:26] <Azelphur> you can test the vhost setup on ubuntu without changing the domain, I think you can on windows too but dunno how
[15:26] <judgey> do i need to edit /etc/apache2/sites-available
[15:26] <judgey> defalt file?
[15:26] <judgey> defalt
[15:26] <Azelphur> that should be a folder not a file
[15:27] <Azelphur> I think
[15:27] <diplo> 001-default I think he is meaning
[15:27] <diplo> Inside said folde
[15:27] <Azelphur> ah
[15:27] <diplo> r
[15:27] <judgey> yer
[15:27] <diplo> yeah, that should link to sites-enabled/001-default
[15:27] <MooDoo> edit the hosts Azelphur
[15:27] <Azelphur> my apache knowledge is weak, I'm a lighttpd guy, someone else be useful :P
[15:27] <MooDoo> same as ubuntu but it's just in a differnt location
[15:27] <Azelphur> :)
[15:28] <judgey> got to be a newbie guide somwere
[15:29] <gord> every time i setup an ubuntu server i hit this wall with dhcp... then i figure it out, then instantly forget how =\
[15:29] <judgey> lol ;p
[15:30] <diplo> So judgey
[15:30] <diplo> in 000-default
[15:30] <diplo> You need <VirtualHost <hostname>>
[15:30] <judgey> i have file called default :o dont have 000- dose that matter?
[15:31] <diplo> Inside ServerAdmin <emailaddresscontact>
[15:31] <diplo> Probably fine, mines 000 that's all
[15:31] <diplo> DocumentRoot /var/www/html <IE Path to your web dir>
[15:32] <diplo> I think that's all you basically need to get a Vhost up on a very basic level
[15:32] <diplo> Just need to point domain to it then
[15:32] <popey> laura
[15:33] <diplo> Just reading up it is better to create a file called yourdomain.conf in sites-available
[15:33] <diplo> and then ln -s domain.conf sites-enabled/domain.conf
[15:34] <judgey> kool let me just try :)
[15:34] <diplo> It's been a while since I played with vhosts unfortunately, run everything on my localhost and used a shared hosting
[15:35] <diplo> But I know you can setup a very basic vhost then add options as you need them
[15:38] <judgey> ln: creating symbolic link `sites-enabled/host2k10.conf': No such file or directory
[15:38] <judgey> but its defo there
[15:39] <judgey> i put
[15:39] <judgey> ln -s host2k10.conf sites-enabled/host2k10.conf
[15:40] <bigcalm> judgey: use a2ensite
[15:40] <bigcalm> Saves messing around with directory paths
[15:40] <diplo> :D
[15:41] <diplo> I just read that, never used that in my day ! :P
[15:41] <bigcalm> cd /etc/apache2/sites-available; a2ensite host2k10.conf; /etc/init.d/apache reload
[15:41] <diplo> judgey, if you do carry on the other way it's probably because you are not in sites-available
[15:41] <ali1234> how do i kill zombies when the parent process is init?
[15:42] <bigcalm> Shotgun?
[15:42] <bigcalm> Oh, and a chainsaw
[15:42] <shauno> (I've a feeling he is in sites-available, so needs ../sites-enabled rather than site-enabled.  but a2ensite.  does what it says on the tin.)
[15:43] <bigcalm> You also have a2enmod, which is handy for enabling mods :)
[15:45] <judgey> sec guys
[15:46] <bigcalm> Actually. You don't need to cd to the dir. Just: a2ensite host2k10.conf
[15:47] <ali1234> is it worth reporting fglrx bugs?
[15:47] <gord> i hate linux :( why can't it just work
[15:47] <judgey> here is my config but its wrong so says apche
[15:47] <judgey> http://pastebin.com/7YAiULGK
[15:49] <diplo> heh
[15:49] <diplo> 2 secs will edit
[15:50] <diplo> http://pastebin.com/7kPSeh37
[15:51] <diplo> Dont want the Inside part as well
[15:51] <diplo> Sorry meant inside the tags <VirtualHost>
[15:51] <diplo> :D
[15:51] <diplo> I'm not great at explaining am I
[15:51] <judgey> lol ;p
[15:51] <shauno> fwiw, the config I use is http://pastebin.com/wpCAEY8K  .. I literally just replace every occurance of TEMPLATE with the domain, and I'm done
[15:51] <judgey> sec
[15:52] <diplo> Or just copy shauno one which is fuller :)
[15:53] <judgey> :o
[15:53] <judgey> lol
[15:53] <judgey> ok
[15:56] <judgey> oky that seemed to go without any errors, sorry to be a nub but how dose it no my domain from that?
[15:57] <judgey> ha wait
[15:57] <judgey> ServerName TEMPLATE << template is my domain?
[15:57] <bigcalm> Yes
[15:57] <judgey> haha
[15:57] <judgey> sorry
[15:58] <judgey> iwthout www. ?
[15:58] <bigcalm> You can also have ServerAlias
[15:58] <judgey> with out www.
[15:58] <bigcalm> ServerName example.com
[15:58] <bigcalm> ServerAlias www.example.com
[15:58] <judgey> kool
[16:00] <judgey> and thats it then just need to point the domain to my server?
[16:02] <judgey> and /var/www is were i put index and stuff dont need to make the folder host2k.info
[16:03] <judgey> as my DocumentRoot /var/www/ < is that
[16:04] <judgey> or do i need to make the path /www/mydomainname.here/httpdocs/
[16:06] <bigcalm> judgey: I would suggest having a sub directory for your website
[16:06] <bigcalm> It's up to you as to where you have it
[16:06] <judgey> will i have to change the document root?
[16:06] <bigcalm> If the DocumentRoot is to be other than /var/www, then yes
[16:07] <judgey> kool
[16:10] <ali1234> bug 709505
[16:21] <gord> heh, spent five minutes learning how to write an upstart script. they are completely right, its easy
[16:46] <bigcalm> This isn't fun
[16:46] <bigcalm> PHP Fatal error:  Class 'DateTime' not found
[16:46] <bigcalm> Version of PHP on this server is 5.3.6
[16:55] <mgdm> bigcalm: using a distro package?
[16:55] <mgdm> bigcalm: chances are the packagers have broken^Wfiddled with it
[16:57] <bigcalm> mgdm: RHEL server. I'm not installing anything
[16:58] <bigcalm> Client's tech is responding to my requests via email
[16:59] <bigcalm> I do get to alter php.ini though if I need to
[16:59] <bigcalm> So, where would I look to see if the right bits are being included?
[16:59] <bigcalm> Date is showing up in phpinfo()
[18:11] <AlanBell> !ati
[18:12] <AlanBell> so what is going on if the additional drivers window is empty?
[18:12] <ali1234> ati sucks
[18:12] <ali1234> see rant on #ati
[18:13] <hamitron> ATI drivers have a nice GUI to build a .deb
[18:13] <ali1234> yeah a nice gui that DOESN'T WORK
[18:13] <hamitron> minor issue
[18:13] <hamitron> ;)
[18:13] <ali1234> to go with their APP SDK installer that ALSO DOESN'T WORK
[18:13] <AlanBell> where do I find the nice non-functional gui?
[18:13] <ali1234> and does REBOOT YOUR COMPUTER WITHOUT WARNING
[18:14] <ali1234> AlanBell: you don't want it, even if you fix it so it produces a deb, the resulting drivers don't work properly anyway
[18:14]  * hamitron offers ali1234 a coffee to calm down
[18:14] <AlanBell> mkay
[18:14] <Azelphur> ali1234: so...I got a G930 :D
[18:14] <Azelphur> seems to work ootb though :)
[18:14] <mgdm> bigcalm: weird one. Can you get a phpinfo output and paste it?
[18:14] <AlanBell> so I just go with the flow on the 2d driver then?
[18:14] <ali1234> the distro driver works better than the latest one
[18:15] <ali1234> here is the new catalyst driver if you feel like wasting your time: http://www2.ati.com/drivers/linux/ati-driver-installer-11-8-x86.x86_64.run
[18:15] <ali1234> you must sudo apt-get install debhelper dh-modaliases execstack
[18:16] <AlanBell> http://paste.ubuntu.com/668495
[18:16] <ali1234> and then --buildpkg Ubuntu/natty
[18:16] <ali1234> then install the debs it builds
[18:16] <ali1234> Rage XL?
[18:16] <ali1234> what is that??
[18:17] <AlanBell> dunno, on the mobo of an HP Proliant DL360
[18:17] <AlanBell> really don't care much if it doesn't work, but I thought I would try
[18:17] <mgdm> it's an ancient ATi chipset, roughly 4MB or maybe 8MB
[18:18] <ali1234> i don't think catalyst is gonna support that
[18:18] <mgdm> around about 1999 vintage IIRC, but they soldiered on for server motherboards for a few years
[18:18] <mgdm> I used it in VESA mode
[18:18] <mgdm> dunno if that still works
[18:18] <mgdm> s/mode/driver/
[18:19] <AlanBell> it does 2d no problem
[18:19] <ali1234> ok how do i roll back to the old debs from command line?
[18:21] <ali1234> Azelphur: what's a G930?
[18:21] <Azelphur> ali1234: more G-Series devices for the driver :D
[18:22] <Azelphur> it's a headset complete with G-Keys on the headset
[18:22] <Azelphur> ali1234: http://hotronica.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/g930_side.jpg
[18:31] <Azelphur> Is there a nice service that provides free wikis?
[18:32] <mgdm> Azelphur: wikia.com?
[18:32] <AlanBell> no
[18:32] <AlanBell> there are services that provide wikis though
[18:33] <Azelphur> AlanBell: that's what I mean, :)
[18:33] <Azelphur> wikia sounds good I guess :)
[18:34] <AlanBell> also wants libqtgui4 and libqtcore4
[18:42] <AlanBell> aticonfig: No supported adapters detected
[18:42] <ali1234> um... well
[18:42]  * AlanBell gives up on that then :)
[18:43] <ali1234> you have a card that is 10 years out of date
[18:43] <AlanBell> and is on a server that will be running headless
[18:43] <AlanBell> I just wanted to see what the current ATI install process was really
[18:43] <ali1234> it's identical to the nvidia install process
[18:44] <ali1234> if you have a supported card
[18:44] <ali1234> the card you are using is equivalent to like a nvidia TNT card or something
[20:12] <hamitron> make
[20:21] <ali1234> hmmmm
[20:21] <mgdm> is MSN messenger broken for anyone else?
[20:22] <ali1234> i'm connected
[20:22] <ali1234> no one is online though
[20:22] <ali1234> so i dunno
[20:35] <webpigeon> I'm online
[20:38] <Howie> how do I make my pc boot from usb
[20:38] <Howie> cos it ant doin it
[20:39] <webpigeon> Howie, check the boot order in your bios?
[20:40] <bigcalm> Howie: you will need to change the boot device order in the bios
[20:40] <Howie> what one.do I.select to go first
[20:40] <webpigeon> It depends on the bios
[20:41] <Howie> I have an amibios
[20:42] <oly> hum, any mail gurus who are able to help with a fetchmail / maildrop issue ?
[20:42] <bigcalm> Howie: I personally use this order: USB -> CD -> HDD
[20:42] <webpigeon> I do when i'm setting up, but i set as HDD when done - then lock the bios with a password :P
[20:42] <oly> basically i want to replicate the remote folders locally if possible ?
[20:43] <oly> i have got the mail coming down fine but i loose the folders grouping so curious if there is  way around this ?
[20:43] <Howie> usb fdd?
[20:43] <webpigeon> Howie, what other options are there?
[20:44] <webpigeon> my older mashine only boots from usb if you set the boot option to usb zip which is damned odd
[20:45] <Howie> cdrom ide-0 ide-1 scsi network floppy zip atapi. disabled
[20:46] <Howie> thats all
[20:46] <bigcalm> Howie: how old is the machine?
[20:46] <ali1234> how old is this computer?
[20:46] <bigcalm> Jinx ;)
[20:46] <ali1234> no u
[20:47] <Howie> quite old
[20:47] <ali1234> 6 years?
[20:47] <bigcalm> Howie: the bios might pre-date the ability to boot from usb
[20:48] <bigcalm> You could look for a bios update, but I wouldn't be too hopeful
[20:48] <Howie> it struggles with booting from cd or hdd as well
[20:48] <webpigeon> oggcamp show \o/
[20:49] <webpigeon> bigcalm, there is a work arround where you boot from cd and that boots from usb
[20:49] <webpigeon> I don't remember the link though :(
[20:49] <Howie> weird pc
[20:49] <Howie> belonged to a prep school previously
[20:50] <Howie> also it makes weird noises sometimes
[20:50] <Howie> and it used to boot from usb but now it doesnt
[20:52] <bigcalm> Maybe it only booted from 1 or 2 specific USB ports
[20:52] <bigcalm> Try different ones
[20:52] <Howie> mabe its my hub
[20:54] <ali1234> it is
[20:54] <ali1234> usb boot doesn't like hubs
[20:54] <ali1234> also you might not be able to boot from every usb port
[20:54] <Howie> nope just boots into ubuntu
[20:56] <Howie> port 1
[20:56] <Howie> (annoying noise followed by hdd boot
[20:56] <bigcalm> There we go then :)
[20:58] <Howie> nope it dont boot from usb
[20:59] <bigcalm> Oh
[21:02] <Howie> curse you prep school.kids who fiddle with things till they break
[21:21] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Ubuntu UK Podcast] S04E13  When Two Worlds Collide - http://podcast.ubuntu-uk.org/2011/08/17/s04e13-when-two-worlds-collide/
[21:21] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Tony] That Was The OggCamp That Was - http://tonywhitmore.co.uk/blog/2011/08/17/that-was-the-oggcamp-that-was/
[21:21] <bigcalm> :OOOOO
[21:21] <bigcalm> To the gpodder!
[21:29]  * Howie yawns loudly
[21:29] <AlanBell> Myrtti: each pin needs a different description
[21:30] <Myrtti> AlanBell: sorry?
[21:30] <AlanBell> Myrtti: you can't do two pins, both with a blank description
[21:32] <Myrtti> ah right, had to go to read my lastlog before things clicked
[21:32] <AlanBell> :)
[21:40] <bernhard2> any has knowledge on exim4 and tsl
[21:58]  * AlanBell tickles Daviey 
[22:20] <AlanBell> ok, so the Ubuntu UK happy hour
[22:20] <AlanBell> where shall we do the first one?
[22:21] <ali1234> the what now?
[22:21] <AlanBell> pick a pub, any pub
[22:25] <mgdm> The Ben Nevis, in Glasgow
[22:26] <mgdm> at a stretch, the Bon Accord has more seating
[22:26] <AlanBell> great, where next?
[22:26] <AlanBell> http://ubuntu-uk.org/happy-hour/
[22:27] <popey> prince of wales, farnborough
[22:28] <AlanBell> now where?
[22:28] <mgdm> The Jolly Judge in Edinburgh? Bit mobbed at this time of year
[22:28] <mgdm> I'd also suggest MacNeil's in Stornoway
[22:29] <popey> AlanBell: The Swan and Bottle, Uxbridge ☺
[22:34] <AlanBell> need some in the middle kind of options
[22:34] <popey> there are some great camra pubs in brum
[22:35] <AlanBell> I know the Nottingham contingent wanted one
[22:35] <popey> AlanBell: The Hobgoblin on Broad Street, Reading
[22:35] <popey> The Warwick on King's Road, Reading
[22:36] <popey> The Back of Beyond, also on King's Road
[22:36] <popey> (apparently the best of the wetherspoons)
[22:36] <popey> Getting this data from a local yokel
[22:36]  * popey pokes Ng 
[22:37] <popey> what pub (if any) would canonical people be seen in, in that london
[22:47] <ali1234> home in nottingham does the best steaks evar
[22:47] <ali1234> it's not in the city centre though
[22:47] <ali1234> and the pub bit is a bit rough
[22:48] <ali1234> but those steaks are amazing
[22:49] <ali1234> http://www.homeloungebar.co.uk/
[23:06] <bernhard2> how can i check if Exim was compiled with OpenSSL (or GnuTLS) support
[23:08] <ali1234> check the package depends
[23:10] <ali1234> exim4-daemon-heavy depends on libgnutls26
[23:10] <ali1234> and so does -light
[23:10] <bernhard2> so whats the command ?
[23:11] <bernhard2> dpkg -l "exim*"
[23:11] <bernhard2> ?
[23:12] <ali1234> apt-cache showpkg exim4-daemon-heavy
[23:13] <bernhard2> so does this mean.. those are installed and in use ?
[23:13] <bernhard2> Dependencies:
[23:13] <bernhard2> 4.72-6+squeeze2 - exim4-base (2 4.72) libc6 (2 2.7) libdb4.8 (0 (null)) libgnutls26 (2 2.7.14-0) libldap-2.4-2 (2 2.4.7) libmysqlclient16 (2 5.1.21-1) libpam0g (2 0.99.7.1) libpcre3 (2 7.7) libperl5.10 (2 5.10.1) libpq5 (2 8.4~0cvs20090328) libsasl2-2 (0 (null)) libsqlite3-0 (2 3.7.3) debconf (18 0.5) debconf-2.0 (0 (null)) mail-transport-agent (0 (null)) exim4-base (1 4.61-1) mail-transport-agent
[23:13] <bernhard2> (0 (null))
[23:14] <ali1234> it means the package needs all of that stuff to work
[23:14] <ali1234> so it must be using gnutls
[23:14] <ali1234> at least compiled with it
[23:15] <bernhard2> Configuring Exim4 to use TLS. Configured 03_exim4-config_tlsoptions but when i restart exim4 and check with:  exim4 -bP | grep tls_
[23:15] <bernhard2> i get this output..     http://pastebin.com/VYwTEihg (it does not show what i have configured) when i test get this message  Host did not advertise STARTTLS
[23:18] <ali1234> well that is probably a configuration issue
[23:23] <ali1234> omg
[23:23] <ali1234> i can't do basic math :(
[23:23] <ali1234> 16+12 != 24
[23:24] <directhex> mats is unpossible!
[23:25] <ali1234> what i wanted was the first 12, skip 4, then the next 12
[23:25] <ali1234> so i wrote: for line in range(12)+range(16,24):
[23:25] <ali1234> doh
[23:25] <ali1234> and lost 4 lines from each file
[23:26] <ali1234> then spent an hour trying to figure out why
[23:27] <ali1234> i had actually ruled out errors in every other part of the code and decided that the problem must be in that line, before i saw it