[00:03] <bkerensa> pleia2: O'Reilly sent me a huge box of books the other day
[00:03] <bkerensa> UPS had to use a dolly to bring it upstairs
[00:13] <regularjo> may I inquire?
[00:15] <pleia2> hi regularjo
[00:15] <pleia2> bkerensa: they are good about sending books :)
[00:15] <pleia2> even better if you write reviews
[00:15] <bkerensa> Yeah
[00:16] <bkerensa> See but I dont know the rules around LoCo's reviewing stuff
[00:16] <pleia2> rules?
[00:16] <bkerensa> It seems idk
[00:16] <bkerensa> yeah
[00:16] <bkerensa> I assume when your using the name "Ubuntu" which is Trademark and owned by Canonical
[00:16] <bkerensa> that there must be rules for endorsing or reviewing something
[00:17] <pleia2> no
[00:17] <bkerensa> no?
[00:17] <pleia2> loco members do reviews, just like everything we do, the reviews aren't "officially endorsed by the loco and canonical"
[00:17] <bkerensa> I see
[00:17] <pleia2> people have events, the loco is here to coordinate and empower
[00:17] <bkerensa> well I can review some stuff they send me on Technorati but I already get a lot of stuff
[00:17] <bkerensa> :)
[00:17] <pleia2> people write reviews, we're here as a community to share books and reviews
[00:18] <bkerensa> indeed
[00:18] <bkerensa> pleia2: Can I pm?
[00:18] <pleia2> sure
[00:18] <regularjo> is there 3rd party software for cd writing, and if so, what is it?
[00:19] <pleia2> 3rd party?
[00:20] <pleia2> there are lots of programs for cd writing in ubuntu :)
[00:20] <regularjo> Would you tell me one or more?
[00:20] <rww> k3b is the usual one in KDE land, I think Brasero is the usual GNOME one. wodim exists for the command-line, too.
[00:21] <rww> I've had the most luck with k3b, personally.
[00:24] <regularjo> Thank you. I used the term third party because I thought all software obtained using Synaptic Package Manager was thrid party.
[00:30] <bkerensa> Brasero is nice
[00:30] <philipballew> for ripping i used to use rubby ripper
[00:30] <philipballew> rubby is an odd language
[05:36] <bkerensa> Just a FYI if you guys contact Linux Journal they will list your event in their magazine and on their site
[05:36] <bkerensa> :)
[05:41] <philipballew> ^ should do that
[05:42] <bkerensa> Yeah
[05:42] <bkerensa> http://www.linuxjournal.com/event/ubuntu-global-jam-oregon
[05:42] <bkerensa> Its published in digital and print edition
[05:59] <grantbow> +1
[16:27] <nhaines> I just realized after opening this Japanese instant ramen bowl that I can't read the instructions, don't know how much water to add, and don't even know the flavor.
[16:27] <nhaines> I don't like fish or seafood, and Japan is a small island nation whose chief food source is the ocean.  Yeah, I should be okay.
[16:28] <akk> Should be safe to add water to a little below the top of the bowl.
[16:29] <akk> And sniff -- does it smell really fishy? Default ramen flavor is pork, but you can probably smell if it's shrimp or fish.
[16:29] <akk> (and if not, hey, no harm done)
[16:29] <nhaines> akk: it did smell slightly fishy, but now that it's cooked for 3 minutes it smells very fishy.
[16:29] <akk> The shrimp ones are always the ones that go on sale at the local 99c store.
[16:30] <nhaines> haha
[16:30] <akk> and beef, that seems to be another unpopular flavor
[16:30] <nhaines> This one was brought back from Japan though.
[16:31] <nhaines> The little Pokémon medallions in it are cute (and edible, I presume).
[16:31] <akk> Ah, probably has whale and sea urchin and cricket legs and who knows what. :)
[16:31] <nhaines> My money is on squid ink. :)
[16:31] <nhaines> Okay, in the spirit of mankind since the dawn of time, I don't know what this is but I'm going to eat it!
[16:32] <akk> That's the spirit!
[16:32] <nhaines> I think the Pikachu medallion is just printed tofu.  (Or whale blubber, possibly.)
[16:33] <akk> So hard to tell the difference between those two.
[16:33] <nhaines> It's actually not too bad.  At least the corn kernels taste like corn.  :)
[17:06] <nhaines> Hm, that wasn't as bas as I feared.  I'm not sure why I expected beef ramen though.  :)
[17:16] <jyo> jtatum: Yeah, not sure if I can make it to Mt. View Ubuntu Hour.
[17:27] <iheartubuntu> i had two photos I wanted to include in the next wallpaper contest but had never read anything about submitting them. Now submissions end on the 25th
[17:27] <iheartubuntu> any way I can submit them via flicker?
[17:33] <regularjo> I logged in about 6 am this morning and there was no place to enter text. Why was that?
[17:34] <iheartubuntu> what program are u using for chat?
[17:34] <iheartubuntu> i notice sometimes in empathy the member list is hidden
[17:34] <iheartubuntu> and have to resize and slide the list open again
[17:35] <iheartubuntu> it turns out the wallpaper submissions for 11.10 have been locked :(
[17:35] <iheartubuntu> I had two great submissions this time around but never did see submission guideline and deadlines for 11.10.
[17:35] <iheartubuntu> http://www.flickr.com/photos/iheartubuntu/5554575378/
[17:36] <iheartubuntu> and my newest one... http://www.flickr.com/photos/iheartubuntu/6053563012/in/photostream/
[17:36] <iheartubuntu> i think they would have been great for the autumn months too
[17:37] <regularjo> i'm not sure what program I use. I have Ubuntu 11:04  and it kinda logged after I went to CA.org chat and entered my name and the other thing.
[17:37] <iheartubuntu> sounds like you are on a website?
[17:38] <regularjo> I am at http://ubuntu-california/chat/
[17:40] <iheartubuntu> so you can enter chat now apparently
[17:43] <regularjo> Yes. I just wondered why early I couldn't enter text. Is someone saying that I can use empathy from my destop with going to a website?
[17:46] <iheartubuntu> you can use Empathy or Pidgin to access IRC chat. More popular is XChat, a stand alone IRC program
[17:49] <bkerensa> I love the iheartubuntu blog
[17:49] <bkerensa> :D
[17:49] <iheartubuntu> thanks :)
[17:51] <bkerensa> -.0
[17:51] <iheartubuntu> no one paid you to say that did they? :)
[17:52] <iheartubuntu> im on the verge of some major changes there (like several posts a day) but not quite ready to implement it.
[17:53] <iheartubuntu> does anyone here have experience helping a school district switch to Ubuntu?
[17:54] <bkerensa> helping or trying to get them to do so?
[17:54] <iheartubuntu> i may have the opportunity to help them
[17:54] <iheartubuntu> they are "interested"
[17:54] <bkerensa> Well I worked for my school district after High School
[17:54] <bkerensa> as Network Tech
[17:55] <iheartubuntu> they have linux?
[17:55] <bkerensa> its a big job depending on the size of the district
[17:55] <bkerensa> not completely
[17:55] <bkerensa> :)
[17:55] <bkerensa> They did use Linux for some things like servers
[17:55] <bkerensa> thet had a debian desktop or two
[17:56] <iheartubuntu> cool
[17:56] <nhaines> iheartubuntu: Partimus is a huge area of focus in Northern California for the team.  They've been mentioned several times during meetings and events and in the reapproval application.  You've never head of them?
[17:56] <nhaines> regularjo: oh, did you ever find a nice CD burning application yesterday?  :)
[17:56] <iheartubuntu> yes
[17:56] <iheartubuntu> i thought they were mostly a computer donation group
[17:58] <regularjo> I did not. I installed Brasero but i couldn't burn my xp program from my usb stick to my new writable CD. I"m in no hurry though, so I'll keep working on it.
[18:00] <regularjo> Also I just installed xchat and now i logged in with it.
[18:02] <iheartubuntu> markdude pleia2 dont you two help out with partimus?
[18:03]  * MarkDude speaks about partimus
[18:03] <MarkDude> pleia2: actually DOES more stuff- grantbow does too- less so with his going to africa
[18:06] <nhaines> regularjo: brasero comes installed by default on Ubuntu.  Did you get any error messages when the burn failed?
[18:25] <regularjo> I thought I installed it. I guess I just opened it. It did get a message, but I didn't write it down and don't remember it. Maybe I'll do it again. i don't see other CA team members asking questions like I have. Should I go to the forums for questions like this?
[18:35] <nhaines> regularjo: yes, probably, because there are more people there and this isn't a support room.
[18:36] <nhaines> regularjo: but that's not to say we won't try to help!  Just that it might be slower.  :)
[18:36] <nhaines> But the error message will be the most important thing.  If we don't know that, we don't know what failed, when, or why.
[18:36] <akk> Sometimes it's faster to ask in a small channel like this one, though, since #ubuntu is such a zoo.
[18:37] <akk> Agreed about the error message -- exact error messages are critical.
[18:37] <nhaines> akk: well, that's why I +1'ed the forums and not #ubuntu.  :)
[18:37] <akk> Also, you can google on an error message and very often get an answer.
[18:37] <nhaines> regularjo: there are more eyeballs on the forums.
[18:37] <nhaines> akk: oh, right.  That's a good idea too.
[18:38] <akk> Yeah, the forums are good if you can stand forums. :)
[18:38] <akk> Dunno how fast that is, though. Do they work for trying to get same-day answers?
[18:39] <nhaines> Donno.  askubuntu.com is really good for that but I don't know if they do brasero support.
[18:40] <philipballew> forms are nice except when you get people giving you wrong advice.
[18:40] <nhaines> philipballew: that's the way the entire earth works.
[18:40] <philipballew> like when you have new users not knowing how to install software.
[18:41] <akk> heh, nhaines
[18:41] <philipballew> "hi, i just downloaded this .gz for flash player and want to get flash player on my computer" then the person tells them how to install then and not using the ubuntu software center or apr get
[18:42] <nhaines> Well, that's nothing unique about forums.
[18:43] <philipballew> true, still frustrating when I have to explain what really needs to be done
[18:43] <nhaines> regularjo asked in channel yesterday for a list of third-party CD burning software, but no one thought to ask him "What are you looking for in CD burning tools and why doesn't Brasero fit your needs?"
[18:44] <nhaines> (Well, I did, but by the time I was in channel he was gone.)
[18:44] <philipballew> the root of the question is what is really needed I guess
[18:46] <nhaines> Well, if he just wants a list of burners, he doesn't need that--Software Center can do that.
[18:46] <nhaines> But if he wants recommendations, then we need to know what he's looking for.
[18:47] <nhaines> Hopefully if he'd said, "I tried to burn a CD but it didn't work, so I want to try another burner" then the channel would have switched to tech support.
[18:47] <nhaines> s/burner/program/
[18:47] <philipballew> you would know how to do tech support if need be more then others nhaines
[18:48] <akk> And ideally, "I tried to burn a CD but it failed in this way [details]"
[18:48] <akk> since "didn't work" is generally not an easy thing to help with
[18:49] <nhaines> akk: yes, but at least then we can ask.
[18:49] <philipballew> brassaco or however you spell it never works for me. the cd as to be manually ejected after each burn
[18:49] <nhaines> !work
[18:49] <Eureka> Doesn't work is a strong statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Is it on IRC all the time? Please be specific! Examples of what doesn't work tend to help too.
[18:49] <akk> lol
[18:50] <nhaines> philipballew: sounds to me more like "my CD drive's eject feature doesn't work with Brasero", not "Brasero never works."
[18:50] <nhaines> Brasero's a CD/DVD burning program, not a CD tray ejecting program.  :)
[18:50] <philipballew> true, it works with k3b though. so the cd drive is fine :)
[18:50] <akk> Ejecting is such a tiny part of CD burning ... I'm pretty happy if I get a CD burned and it works.
[18:51] <nhaines> See, that's important info.  :)
[18:51] <nhaines> It annoys me a lot when the CD doesn't eject on my laptop with Brasero.  But that's a problem for me and Launchpad.
[18:51] <akk> I mean, I would never want to use a CD burning program that didn't play a little victory tune like k3b does. :)
[18:52] <nhaines> akk: on the other hand I hate that trumpet sound.  :)
[18:52] <philipballew> true. i just opened up my terminal and tyoe eject . the tune makes me wanna dance
[18:52] <nhaines> The tune always catches me unawares.
[18:53] <jyo> Good technical support has the spidey sense to intuit what the customer actually wants to do rather than help them figure out their convoluted processes
[18:53] <nhaines> jyo: +1
[19:26] <philipballew> what internet browser does everyone use here?
[19:28] <akk> still firefox, but my commitment is starting to waver
[19:31] <rww> Firefox.
[19:32] <rww> speaking of which, Fx6 should hit -security today, I think
[19:33] <philipballew> ff 6 came in an update yesterday
[19:33] <rww> Depends on mirror, I guess :)
[19:33] <rww> oh, wait, security. no mirror. I must have just missed it then :)
[19:34] <philipballew> akk, i have used both chrome and ff. i feel like both have their benefits. but not sure what one is better
[19:35] <rww> It just occured to me that I haven't seen the bot do wikipage change announcements in a while. Did that stop working, or have I just missed it?
[19:36] <pleia2> stopped working after the wiki upgrade
[19:36] <rww> figures. that's what we get for horrible abuse of HTML scraping
[19:37] <philipballew> hey pleia2 do you know who runs planetubuntu?
[19:38] <pleia2> it's on a canonical server, why?
[19:38] <philipballew> I added my name yesterday but it hasnt shown
[19:38]  * rww takes a look
[19:39] <philipballew> it say's it should only take a few hours, but hopes he didnt do something wrong.
[19:39]  * philipballew might have added the wrong wordpress address
[19:39] <rww> I don't see a revision from you on https://code.launchpad.net/~planet-ubuntu/config/main , so I bet you didn't push it back to Launchpad properly.
[19:41] <philipballew> i just copied every line of code from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PlanetUbuntu under adding my blog
[19:41] <philipballew> added this as my blog https://philipballew.wordpress.com/feed/rss/
[19:41] <rww> did you read the instructions, too? :P
[19:42] <philipballew> yeah. I usually dont do it right though :)
[19:42] <rww> okays. pastebin config.ini from your local copy of planet-ubuntu and we'll check that first
[19:45] <philipballew> http://paste.ubuntu.com/668547/
[19:45] <philipballew> ^im at the bottom
[19:46] <rww> This is optional, but if you're going to be posting both Ubuntu and non-Ubuntu stuff to your blog, it's better to add a PlanetUbuntu tag and use the feed for that, btw.
[19:47] <regularjo> I was worried about asking a dumb question. But the alternative was asking nothing at all. I live in Seal beach and have looked for places where other Ubuntu people meet, but I haven't found one. I picked this chat channel because it was the only one designated with California. I don't want to make philipballew or anyone else frustrated, so no one should feel compelled to respond. My questions are only directed to anyone who
[19:47] <regularjo> wants to respond.
[19:48] <philipballew> ill mainly post ubuntu stuff. I made the blod for it. but anything else would be simple and still interesting
[19:48] <philipballew> seal beach is in la right?
[19:49] <philipballew> did you see anything wrong rww
[19:49] <rww> philipballew: k. apart from that, it all looks fine. check 'bzr diff' to make sure it's sane, then run 'bzr commit -m "adding blog by philipballew"' (or something similar)
[19:49] <rww> if you get any notable output from the bzr commit, pastebin that
[19:50] <philipballew> would i need to run
[19:50] <philipballew> bzr launchpad-login yourusername
[19:50] <philipballew> first?
[19:50] <rww> didn't you do that already?
[19:51] <philipballew> i did yesterday when i tried to upload
[19:51] <rww> regularjo: There are Ubuntu Hours in Pasadena and Lake Forest. I think that's the closest thing to you right now.
[19:52] <philipballew> id go to those regularjo
[19:53] <rww> philipballew: launchpad-login is a setting that's retained (in ~/.bzr) between runs
[19:53] <philipballew> oh. my nad
[19:53] <philipballew> *bad
[19:55] <jyo> philipballew: Aurora is where all the cool kids are.
[19:56] <philipballew> http://paste.ubuntu.com/668559/
[19:56] <philipballew> ^ rww
[19:57] <rww> philipballew: bzr whoami "philipballew <philipballew@ubuntu.com>"
[19:57] <rww> or whatever you want to use, it doesn't have to be @ubuntu.com or your LP name
[19:57] <rww> and then do the commit again
[19:57] <philipballew> well your line would work
[19:57] <rww> (it should be an email address associated with your LP profile)
[19:57] <rww> yup
[19:57] <philipballew> i have my .ubuntu and my .gmail on lp
[19:58] <philipballew> so i ran bzr whoami "philipballew <philipballew@ubuntu.com>"
[19:58] <philipballew> do i run bzr commit -m "Added philipballew to Planet Ubuntu"
[19:58] <philipballew>  again?
[19:58] <rww> yes
[19:59] <regularjo> rww, could you tell me how to connect with someone at the Lake Forrest Ubuntu Hours?
[19:59] <pleia2> regularjo: nhaines runs them
[20:00]  * rww goes off to edit Ubuntu Wiki and add that whoami command
[20:00] <philipballew> rww well, it appeared it worked. maybe ill blog about you now as a thanks!
[20:00] <rww> yup, LP shows it went through :)
[20:01] <philipballew> regularjo, nhaines will see your interested on here, ubuntu hours are his specialty
[20:01] <philipballew> how can you tell rww . are you just that good?
[20:02] <pleia2> it's in launchpad :)
[20:03] <rww> philipballew: https://code.launchpad.net/~planet-ubuntu/config/main
[20:03] <philipballew> my use of launchpad consist of me adding groups on there to make my profile look like i know what i am doing and also looking at other peoples weird badly cropped head images
[20:04] <rww> hehe
[20:04] <philipballew>                                                                                         ^you know who you are
[20:04] <philipballew> photoshop people. its simple!
[20:05] <pleia2> gimp :P
[20:05] <philipballew> its what I use everyday :)
[20:05] <philipballew> is photoshop a generic term these days? or does that mean adobe?
[20:06] <pleia2> I guess "photoshopping" has been generically verbed
[20:06] <philipballew> i use a kleenex but its really a tissue or a band-aid.
[20:07] <philipballew> the brand has become the verb to discribe all versions of products like it
[20:07] <pleia2> but your comment seemed to say that photoshop is easy, which I'd assume meant the actual product
[20:07] <pleia2> not that image editing is easy
[20:08] <philipballew> true, Ive had photoshop on here before. it runs great with wine.
[20:08] <philipballew> but i prefer gimp. probably just because im used to it
[20:08] <philipballew> and prefer a floss program
[20:08] <pleia2> I've never used photoshop (too expensive)
[20:09] <philipballew> my school has copies
[20:09]  * pleia2 mostly just crops and resizes anyway :)
[20:10] <philipballew> gimp is just different then photoshop and therefor people say it sucks
[20:12] <crashsystems> I prefer gimp, but the lack of 16 bit color support is extremely limiting.
[20:15] <philipballew> 2.8 i hear is nice
[20:20] <philipballew> hey regularjo are you on the mailing list?
[20:25] <regularjo> Yes
[20:26] <philipballew> nice!
[20:43] <nhaines> regularjo: if you have any questions about Ubuntu Hour in Lake Forest, feel free to ask.
[20:49] <regularjo> good, yes I have. when is the next Ubuntu Hour in Lake Forest? What time? what location?
[20:50]  * akk wonders why freenode doesn't see xchat disconnects/reconnects when all the other servers do
[20:51] <pleia2> client timeout could be longer than the server timeout
[20:52] <nhaines> regularjo: the next Ubuntu Hour meeting is on Thursday, August 25th, 2011 at 6:00pm, at the Panera Bread in Lake Forest, CA.  Details are available here: http://nhaines.livejournal.com/61885.html
[20:53] <akk> Hmm, wonder if I could adjust that client timeout?
[20:55]  * akk doesn't find anything helpful googling
[20:59] <pleia2> irssi calls it "lag_max_before_disconnect"
[20:59] <pleia2> not sure about xchat though :\
[20:59] <akk> I didn't see anything looking through prefs.
[21:00] <akk> What happens is, if I suspend with xchat running, all the other servers ping out (I guess) so when I un-suspend, they reconnect
[21:00] <akk> but the freenode tabs just sit there, not seeing any new traffic but not reconnecting either.
[21:01] <akk> I have to close them all then reconnect to freenode.
[21:02] <nhaines> And that is why you should never suspend.
[21:04] <akk> but ... wasting that 5 watts while at lunch?! heresy!
[21:04] <akk> (or more like 30 if it's my desktop, but strangely, that one usually does reconnect)
[21:05] <nhaines> See?  Q.E.D.
[21:21] <bkerensa> :D If I go to Blue Lake will you guys have a Ubuntu Hour?
[21:21] <bkerensa> or Nice, CA even?
[21:21] <bkerensa> :D
[21:27] <nhaines> bkerensa: you can always plan your own.  :)
[21:28] <bkerensa> :P
[21:28] <bkerensa> I dont think anyone would show.... Nice has 100 people
[21:29] <bkerensa> Blue Lake has maybe 200 :P
[21:29] <bkerensa> But I like both places.... Blue Lake has a epic casino worth visiting and Nice, CA has some nice lakes
[21:30] <bkerensa> When I go to California I start with Crescent City -> Blue Lake -> Nice -> Sac -> Davis - > San Francisco then back home
[21:34] <nhaines> Nice.  :)
[21:36] <philipballew> sac ftw!
[21:37] <rww> philipballew: Is that where you are?
[21:37] <philipballew> basically. you?
[21:40] <rww> Nope, I'm an hour or two south of there. Just wondering where everyone is :) (also, see PM)
[21:42]  * bkerensa was born in Sacramento... I got family all over Sac area then in the Bay and Far North or The State of Jefferson as we like to call it
[21:42] <bkerensa> :D
[21:49] <philipballew> auburn for me. so your like fresno rww?
[21:49] <philipballew> modesto maybe?
[21:50] <bkerensa> Modesto is ehh
[21:50] <rww> Fresno is about three hours south of Sac. I'm more Vallejo<->Concord sort of area.
[21:50] <philipballew> george lucas grew up there
[21:50] <bkerensa> Industrial
[21:50] <bkerensa> :)
[21:50] <bkerensa> Vallejo = Hot and has a amusement park of some sort
[21:50] <philipballew> oh, you said south. i go to napa all the time. thats a nice area
[21:50] <bkerensa> also Jelly bean factory is not to far from there
[21:51] <philipballew> fairfield
[21:51] <bkerensa> My cousin lived in Fairfield for a bit
[21:51] <bkerensa> well American Canyon
[21:51] <bkerensa> same diff
[21:51] <bkerensa> :P
[21:51] <philipballew> was there last week
[21:51] <rww> philipballew: sorry, yeah. I tend to think of I-80 and I-680 as going N-S, when they don't.
[21:52] <bkerensa> Have you ever been North?
[21:52] <bkerensa> To Jefferson State?
[21:52] <philipballew> fact: freeways that are even numbers go east/west and odd go north/south
[21:52] <rww> I went to Ashland once
[21:53] <bkerensa> Ashland Oregon?
[21:53] <bkerensa> :P
[21:54] <rww> yes
[21:54] <bkerensa> ehhh
[21:54] <bkerensa> I can barely handle Portland
[21:54] <bkerensa> Portland is barely a city by my standards
[21:54] <bkerensa> =/
[21:54] <rww> hehe. I was in LA for a while, I know what you mean :)
[21:55] <bkerensa> Too bad my lady has to live in Oregon otherwise I would be back in Cali in a hot second
[21:57] <akk> That even/odd freeway number thing works for the base freeway numbers (5, 80) but not always for extensions (like 280 N).
[21:58] <rww> 280 is weird anyway. Isn't even directly connected to 80, iirc :(
[21:59] <akk> yeah, and part of it goes E-W even though it's labeled N-S.
[21:59] <philipballew> auburn has 2 main roads. the 80 that runs through it and the main road that goes through town
[22:02] <nhaines> akk: logical east-west
[22:02]  * rww goes afk
[22:46] <nhaines> Okay, I'm proud of this one!  :)  http://ubuntuone.com/p/1B6S/