[01:52] <rick_h_> sweet, just got an email from someone doing the sqlalchemy homework from pyohio
[01:52] <snap-l> Awesome!
[01:52] <rick_h_> of course it's because I asked them to do an impossibly query, but still
[06:38] <TeamXlink> Has anyone else noticed how Google Chrome opens up a new proccess for each tab?
[11:37] <Wolfger> coffeetime!
[11:37] <Wolfger> er, I mean, good morning!
[11:45] <snap-l> Good morning
[11:45]  * snap-l tired
[11:45] <snap-l> But, on the plus side, I now know what we're doing Saturday Night.
[11:46] <brousch> hot tub party?
[11:46] <snap-l> TRUCK WARZ AT GIBRALTAR TRADE CENTER!
[11:46] <snap-l> DOES YOUR TRUCK HAVE WHAT IT TAKES?
[11:47] <snap-l> TRUCK WARZ TUG-O-WAR CONTEST AT 4PM
[11:47] <snap-l> and BURNOUT CONTEST
[11:47] <Duolos> G'mornin', happy people!
[11:47] <snap-l> It's like it was tailor made for us.
[11:49] <snap-l> http://www.gibraltartrade.com/bikenight.php <- Bike Night at Gibraltar
[11:49] <snap-l> somewhat safe for work.
[11:49] <brousch> i didn't know you were a gearhead
[11:49] <snap-l> I'm not.
[11:50] <snap-l> http://www.gibraltartrade.com/truckwarz.php
[11:50] <snap-l> Not even remotely.
[11:51] <snap-l> I'm just a fan of Gibraltar Trade Center, which is like a completely different world.
[11:52] <brousch> So it's jodee that gets off on the powerful engines and shirtless beerbellies?
[11:53] <snap-l> brousch: Oh, totally.
[11:53] <snap-l> That's why she married Mr. Caliber driver. :)
[11:53] <rick_h_> lol
[11:54] <snap-l> http://www.gibraltartrade.com/cat.php?center=1
[11:55] <snap-l> http://www.gibraltartrade.com/record
[11:55] <brousch> geez
[11:55] <brousch> that's a lot of stores
[11:55] <snap-l> It's my go-to place to get a Velvet Elvis in a hurry.
[11:55] <snap-l> Or a Scarface poster.
[11:56] <brousch> or an oversized marijuana leaf blanket?
[11:56] <snap-l> brousch: Or speaker cabinets for my car of dubious quality.
[11:57] <snap-l> Also the home of the Fauch purse
[11:59] <rick_h_> cool on the google doodle today: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/google/google-doodle/8706390/Pierre-de-Fermats-birthday-celebrated-in-Google-Doodle.html
[12:07] <brousch> MURDOCH BLOCKED
[12:08] <snap-l> Well lookie there. Firefox 6? Yes, please.
[12:08] <snap-l> brousch: Eh?
[12:08] <brousch> https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/moepiacmhnmbiilhpojodnaopndhddpg
[12:08] <snap-l> Ah, that thing. :)
[12:10] <Wolfger> cool Google doodle today: http://www.google.com/  <-- fixed that for rick_h_
[12:10] <Wolfger> :-)
[12:10] <rick_h_> sorry, I needed the cheat sheet to remember wtf it was
[12:10] <rick_h_> I figured you all could find the doodle itself
[12:11] <Wolfger> :-D
[12:12] <snap-l> rick_h_: I needed the cheat sheet as well. ;)
[12:34] <snap-l> I'm starting to formulate a post for Oneiric: Doubling Down on Dubious Design Decisions.
[12:37] <Wolfger> oh boy
[12:37] <Wolfger> is the ruckus going to be as bad as it was over the 11.04 changes?
[12:38] <brousch> quintuple D?
[12:39] <Wolfger> 5-D
[12:39] <Wolfger> it's the next big thing in hollywood
[12:39] <Wolfger> wait til you see what the glasses look like
[12:40] <brousch> i was thinking more along the lines of cup size
[12:44] <snap-l> Nah, I don't think it'll be nearly as bad
[12:45] <Wolfger> brousch: are you implying the blogger is a big boob? ;-)
[12:46] <snap-l> but I'd like to open some dialog with the designers on why they're doing what they're doing, and unfortunately this is the only forum I'm aware of for making such questions available.
[12:52] <Wolfger> go ask in #ubuntu?
[13:23] <snap-l> I think Apress doesn't quite understand their audience
[13:23] <snap-l> Deal of the Day: Getting StartED with Windows 7 (inebook format)
[13:23] <snap-l> If you need an book to get started with Windows 7, I'm sure making it available in eBook format isn't going to do you much good)
[13:24] <snap-l> http://www.apress.com/9781430225034
[13:24] <Wolfger> heh
[13:27] <Wolfger> I sometimes wonder what the Founding Fathers would think of the modern world of communication. I mean, back then, "freedom of the press" basically was just freedom for anybody wealthy enough to own a printing press.
[13:27] <Wolfger> In the modern world with laser printers, blogs, e-books, etc... literally anybody can publish anything.
[13:28] <Wolfger> I wonder if the FF would be amazed or appalled.
[13:34] <Wolfger> snap-l: that's pretty sleazy of LinkedIn...
[13:44] <snap-l> Wolfger: Isn't it? :)
[13:50] <snap-l> Looking to see if I can upgrade to Oneiric on my laptop
[13:51] <snap-l> if you hear screaming and wailing and gnashing of teeth, you'll know why. ;)
[13:51] <brousch> back up ur music
[13:51] <snap-l> It's on another machie
[13:51] <snap-l> but yes, I'm backing up my home dir on this machine
[13:54] <snap-l> This is what rsync was made for. ;)
[13:55] <rick_h_> wow, that good eh?
[13:55] <rick_h_> going to update the live machine?
[13:55] <brousch> snap-l is the bravest man i know
[13:55] <snap-l> This is my laptop (CHC laptop)
[13:55] <snap-l> so it's not my primary machine
[13:55] <Wolfger> pansy
[13:56]  * Wolfger goes alpha on his main box
[13:56] <Wolfger> only box
[13:56] <brousch> kubuntu alpha even
[13:56] <brousch> ok, wolfer wins
[13:56] <rick_h_> yea, but CHC is tonight
[13:56] <rick_h_> brave man
[13:56] <snap-l> And I figure I need to use it in order to talk about it
[13:56] <Wolfger> true. and true.
[13:56] <snap-l> Worst case, I'll bring a book. ;)
[13:56] <rick_h_> lol
[14:08] <Wolfger> so I know that if I have an IP like 53.236.50.255 with a gateway of 255.255.255.0, that is a broadcast address... but...
[14:09] <Wolfger> if I have a gateway of 255.255.252.0, that should be an assignable address, yes? Or do we avoid it for the sake of standardization?
[14:10] <snap-l> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enigma_Variations
[14:19] <krondor> Wolfger:  I think that 53.236.50.255 would be assignable.  I think your broadcast address would be 53.236.51.255.
[14:19] <krondor> 252 would give you 2 third octets basically to assign (excluding that last 255 for broadcast)
[14:22] <Wolfger> 4, not 2, right?
[14:23] <Wolfger> I'm on .49.x, .50.x, and .51.x for sure... not sure if I get .48.x or .52.x
[14:23] <Wolfger> 255.255.254.0 would give me 2
[14:25] <Wolfger> I was just wondering if I should be annoyed that while I'm configuring these addresses, that the person assigning IP's skipped 53.236.50.255 for no good reason that I know of. :-)
[14:25] <krondor> you're right woops.. you'll get 48,50,51 up to 255
[14:26] <Wolfger> ok, thanks for confirming my belief
[14:26] <Wolfger> it's been too long since I actively practiced my network knowledge
[14:35] <jrwren> holy shit, my linux-fu is weak... exim just kicked my ass and I gave up!
[14:37] <rick_h_> heh, well it is email
[14:37] <rick_h_> and email is always on the hard end
[14:37] <jrwren> i used to be an email administrator.
[14:37] <jrwren> and I still run postfix for xmtp.net
[14:37] <jrwren> postfix makes things easier.
[14:37] <jrwren> not easy, but easier.
[14:37] <krondor> I've always been a fan of postfix
[14:38] <rick_h_> yea +1
[14:42] <jrwren> i just haven't lost at anything linux in a long time.
[14:42] <jrwren> i want to do something, i go read the docs, adn I do it.
[14:43] <jrwren> i guess I can say "if i don't fail, i'm not trying hard enough" as a positive.
[14:43] <jrwren> but man this sucks.
[14:43] <rick_h_> given enough time you could do it
[14:43] <rick_h_> just a matter of "not worth time"
[14:44] <brousch> email is a pain. that's why i let google handle it
[14:45] <jrwren> indeed.
[14:45] <jrwren> cursed time.
[14:45] <jrwren> keeps on slippin
[14:47] <snap-l> Seriously, unless you have a really good reason to use exim, I'd stick with postfix
[14:47] <snap-l> really good reasons include: running high-volume mail servers
[14:48] <snap-l> where high volume > 100 messages per second.
[14:48] <snap-l> Otherwise, postfix should more thanhandle what you might need.
[14:52] <krondor> even then there is some nice tuning that can be done in postfix for high volume http://www.postfix.org/TUNING_README.html
[15:07] <snap-l> riddle me this: http://soundcloud.com/daniel-a-solis/the-no-nos-of-game-design
[15:07] <snap-l> Is there a way to download this track, or is soundcloud essentially scribd for audio files.
[15:10] <Wolfger> dunno... blocked by firewall :-p
[15:12] <brousch> <div class="hidden download-options action-overlay" data-sc-track="21074366"><div class="action-overlay-inner">This track is not downloadable</div></div>
[15:12] <snap-l> Sent a note to the author to rectify
[15:13] <nullspace> home workbench nearing completion http://se7enlabs.org/bench.jpg
[15:13] <snap-l> nullspace: Nice.
[15:13] <brousch> http://media.soundcloud.com/stream/CjgkS1tij2jU?stream_token=cX6Fn
[15:14] <brousch> then you can save the page as mp3
[15:14] <snap-l> brousch: Thanks!
[15:15] <brousch> ima 1337 h4x0r d00d
[15:16] <nullspace> the more carpentry I do the closer I get to not sucking
[15:17] <brousch> i can build things out of wood. functional, massive things. but i cannot build pretty things
[15:20] <nullspace> I need more practice with a nail gun
[15:21] <nullspace> I found a drywall square and a pencil help with limiting erronus nails
[15:22] <jrwren> nullspace: it hangs? it has no legs!
[15:22]  * jrwren sings the no legs song like Eddy Murphy in Trading Places
[15:22] <rick_h_> nullspace: that's not a bench, this is a bench: https://picasaweb.google.com/112719704219936118281/Workbench#5383914169412338882
[15:23] <rick_h_> cool on the new workspace
[15:23] <jrwren> um....   I think the cost in wood alone there doesn't make them comparable.
[15:23] <rick_h_> ash is cheap these days :)
[15:23] <jrwren> fiber board v. solid wood
[15:23] <jrwren> is it?
[15:23] <rick_h_> yea, all the ash borer
[15:24] <nullspace> rick_h_: I'm getting a 500 from that link
[15:24] <rick_h_> but yea, $150 in word and aonther $150 for vice/leg bolt hardware
[15:24] <rick_h_> nullspace: hmm https://picasaweb.google.com/112719704219936118281/Workbench#5383914164986943266
[15:25] <rick_h_> http://uploads.mitechie.com/workbench.jpg
[15:25] <nullspace> nice
[15:25] <rick_h_> that should work
[15:26] <rick_h_> just kidding though, too much "that's not a knife, this is a knife" as a kid
[15:26] <nullspace> what's the dimensions?
[15:26] <brousch> i would take a picture of mine, but it would take approx 3 days to dig it out from under all the other garage stuff
[15:26] <nullspace> I'm 3'x8'
[15:26] <snap-l> I trust Ikea to do all of my carpenteering. ;)
[15:27] <nullspace> ahem my bench is 3'x8'
[15:27] <rick_h_> 76 x 23 I think
[15:27] <rick_h_> 3'? that's deep
[15:29] <nullspace> I can easily reach across it
[15:31] <nullspace> figured I'd get as much bench as it was comfortable for me
[15:34] <brousch> it's not the size of the bench that matters. when we were house-hunting we went through a house full of beautiful wood work, which the owner had done himself. the house had no garage and his workspace was a 5ftx5ft area tucked behind the furnace
[15:36] <nullspace> but I can take a nap on mine
[15:38] <brousch> ah, now the real reason for a workbench comes out ;)
[15:39] <snap-l> and when nullspace pissess off Mrs. nullspace, he'll have an option besides the couch for sleeping arrangements. ;)
[15:39] <nullspace> nah, I just like lots of work space realestate
[15:40] <jrwren> nullspace has those LONG ARMS for reaching across
[15:41] <snap-l> About 9 minutes left of package downloads.
[15:41] <jrwren> i just don't see nullspace pissing off mrs. nullspace. Maybe I've not spent enough time around 'em.
[15:41] <snap-l> Then comes the fun part... installing the packages.
[15:41] <jrwren> snap-l: packages?
[15:41] <snap-l> Oneiric upgrade
[15:41] <jrwren> upgrade?!?  yow!
[15:42] <jrwren> its kinda early isn't it?
[15:42] <snap-l> Alpha 3
[15:42] <jrwren> i'm afraid to upgrade
[15:43] <snap-l> Well, I'm looking to try to help stem the tide
[15:43] <snap-l> and hopefully get some fixed shit (like my wireless card)
[15:49] <snap-l> http://eclipsephase.com/panopticon-street-date-announced-preview-2-and-three-electronic-releases-tomorrow <- Can't wait for this to release as PDF.
[15:50] <snap-l> https://twitter.com/#!/VanL/statuses/103849174990209024
[15:56] <jrwren> snap-l: is that art?
[15:58] <snap-l> jrwren: Which one?
[15:58] <jrwren> panopticon
[15:59] <snap-l> That's the art for the book
[15:59] <snap-l> and they have a hack pack which shold have larger versions
[15:59] <snap-l> so you can have an uplifted octopus getting attacked by a monkey as your desktop
[16:26] <snap-l> About 29 minutes remaining on the upgrade
[16:27] <snap-l> http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/news/2011/08/best-buy-wants-to-give-up-on-hp-touchpad-has-sold-fewer-than-25000-units.ars
[16:28] <snap-l> And thus was heard another nail in the Palm coffin
[16:28] <rick_h_> sigh
[16:30] <snap-l> I think Palm's WebOS has a brighter future in multi-function printers than in Tablets / Mobile.
[16:31] <rick_h_> so now my only hope is for htc to get pissed, license webos, and ditch android
[16:31] <rick_h_> if the damn thing just came out on good hardware it's be more popular
[16:31] <rick_h_> pre3 announced almost a year ago
[16:31] <rick_h_> just not hitting uk, us to come later *sigh*
[16:32] <snap-l> Unfortunately, WebOS is much like the Foleo: usurped by everything else that came afterward
[16:32] <snap-l> Foleo: Neat idea, but netbook market quickly quashed it
[16:33] <snap-l> Neato, apport couldn't be installed.
[16:33] <rick_h_> still can't get a decent real keyboard on an android/iphone
[16:33] <rick_h_> no touchstone
[16:34] <snap-l> Awesome, someone goofed the install script.
[16:34] <rick_h_> oops
[16:34] <snap-l> Java cacerts also looks goofed up
[16:35] <snap-l> Banshee is the default media player? Oh this should be fun.
[16:35] <rick_h_> thought it was last release
[16:36] <snap-l> replaces totem as the default instead of totem
[16:36] <snap-l> Wow, I fail English
[16:41] <Wolfger> :-)
[16:41] <Wolfger> yes, you do
[16:46] <snap-l> BTW: The next time you use Musicbrainz, please thank them.
[16:47] <snap-l> I've imported some entries from FreeDB into Musicbrainz, and the best I can say of FreeDB is "God-awful".
[16:47] <snap-l> Ludwig van Bethoven
[16:56] <Wolfger> s/e/ee/
[17:03] <snap-l> And here's the problem with apport
[17:03] <snap-l> def add_info(report, ui):
[17:03] <snap-l>     add_installation_log(report, 'UbiquitySyslog', 'syslog')
[17:03] <snap-l>     syslog = report['UbiquitySyslog']
[17:03] <snap-l>     if 'Buffer I/O error on device' in syslog:
[17:03] <snap-l>         if not re.search('Attached .* CD-ROM (\w+)', syslog):
[17:03] <snap-l>             continue
[17:04] <snap-l> Apparently someone fails at Python
[17:05] <snap-l> Fucking piece of shit
[17:05] <snap-l> replaced continue with return, and now things appear happier.
[17:06] <snap-l> Going to attempt a reboot on this machine now.
[17:12] <_stink_> does python even let you have continue outside the context of a loop?
[17:12] <snap-l> Oh, even better, this No, which is why this crashed.
[17:12] <_stink_> ah, ok, phew
[17:12] <snap-l> Oh don't worry, it's still fucked.
[17:13] <_stink_> heh
[17:14] <snap-l> I swear, I don't know why I even trust upgrades anymore.
[17:14] <brousch> because you love the pain
[17:14] <ColonelPanic001> ubuntu upgrades? I just reformat and install, usually
[17:14] <brousch> the same reason you wear wool panties
[17:14] <ColonelPanic001> or backup and assume I'll probably do that anyway
[17:14] <brousch> you're not happy without an itch to scratch
[17:15] <snap-l> Hey, and my machine is slower than it was before
[17:16] <snap-l> miracle of miracles.
[17:16] <brousch> hm, i think i can get a slogan out of that
[17:16] <snap-l> I can think of one too
[17:16] <brousch> You use Linux for the same reason you wear wool undies. You're not happy without an itch to scratch.
[17:17] <brousch> i'm tweeting it
[17:18] <snap-l> Going to see if the package update fixes shit
[17:18] <snap-l> and if it doesn't, going to try a re-install
[17:18] <jrwren> i've upgraded successfully since 2005. I never reinstall.
[17:19] <snap-l> jrwren: Might I recommend a change in strategy should you upgrade to any of the 11.x series.
[17:20] <snap-l> I think the settings daemon is kerfuckled.
[17:20] <snap-l> Yep, it's fucked.
[17:20] <snap-l> HOO-FUCKING-RAY
[17:20] <jrwren> 11.04 was fine.
[17:20] <jrwren> 11.10, i shall see.
[17:23] <Wolfger> snap-l: ++ on the new word in my dictionary
[17:25] <brousch> it helps if you wait 2 months after release
[17:29] <snap-l> Well, this is entertaining.
[17:31] <rick_h_> snap-l: ok, so we started with 'brave' we now reffer to you as *#$@#'d
[17:31] <snap-l> Interesting how that works, isn't it? :)
[17:37] <snap-l> Going to try UNity 2D
[17:38] <snap-l> Also, whomever thought removing the CTRL-ALT-BACKSPACE combo was a nifty keen idea? FUCK YOU IN THE FUCKING NECK!
[17:40] <brousch> how do you fuck someone in the neck?
[17:40] <_stink_> i can think of two ways
[17:44] <snap-l> And now I'm Unity 2d, or as I like to call it: Ubuntu Tinkertoy edition
[17:46] <Wolfger> _stink_: two? I'm frightened
[17:46] <_stink_> already wrote them into the trashy romance novel i'm writing
[17:48] <Wolfger> I'm afraid to even inquire as to what the second way is. I mean, the tracheotomy route is obvious...
[17:48] <_stink_> you'll have to buy the book!
[17:50] <snap-l> Well, that was loaded with fail.
[17:50] <brousch> is it about a parapalegic women who can only move her head?
[17:52] <snap-l> Can't wait for what sorts of nonsense the LTS will unleash
[17:52] <_stink_> yes
[17:53] <snap-l> It's funny, my dad is looking to get a new laptop
[17:53] <snap-l> and he really wants to put Ubuntu on it as the primary OS.
[17:53] <rick_h_> snap-l: did you see? http://twitter.com/#!/pumpichank/status/103581250064887808
[17:53] <rick_h_> you mention ati in your G+ post
[17:54] <snap-l> and I get a sick feeling in my stomach because he hasn't seen Natty yet.
[17:54] <snap-l> Experienced it first-hand.
[17:54] <rick_h_> ok, I guess I mean did you see it BEFORE you went installing/upgrading/etc
[17:54] <rick_h_> and did you expect a different result?
[17:54] <snap-l> rick_h_: Why would I let a fool thing like that get in the way? ;)
[17:55] <rick_h_> lol, ok just checking
[17:55] <snap-l> I didn't internalize it when I saw it initially, but yes, I'm remembering now.
[17:55] <snap-l> Reinstalling Natty now.
[17:56] <brousch> snap-l: just give him 10.04
[17:56] <snap-l> brousch: at some point 10.04 isn't going to cut it anymore.
[17:56] <brousch> yeah, in 2013
[17:57] <brousch> by then natty should be sorted out or dead
[17:57] <brousch> unity i mean
[17:57] <snap-l> I'm not so certain anymore
[17:58] <snap-l> OK< this is horseshit.
[17:58] <snap-l> reinstalling natty locked up
[18:00] <snap-l> I'll give you three guesses why more developers are showing up at conferences with Macintosh machines.
[18:00] <brousch> ubuntu had a good showing at pyohio
[18:00] <brousch> more than last year
[18:00] <brousch> but the natty on projector gymnastics was painful to watch
[18:04]  * Wolfger looks into getting a macbook
[18:04] <Wolfger> no, that's crazy talk
[18:05] <brousch> i'll sell you mine for $950
[18:05] <snap-l> http://linuxhaters.blogspot.com/2008/06/evolution-of-ubuntu-user.html
[18:06] <Blazeix> don't leave linux just because of ubuntu :(
[18:10] <snap-l> I think it's just time I admit it... I use Ubuntu because I'm too cheap to buy a mac. :)
[18:10] <Blazeix> er, hell, just use ubuntu alternate + xfce
[18:10] <snap-l> Tried XFCE, and it's a little painful to use
[18:11] <rick_h_> snap-l: you intentionally installed a alpha release and it borked on you and now you're linux hating?
[18:11] <jrwren> i shouldn't have read the scrollback... because I jsut thought of 4 ways
[18:11] <Blazeix> I think the linux hating is natty messing up
[18:11] <snap-l> rick_h_: No
[18:11] <rick_h_> ok, nvm then, carry on with the hating
[18:11] <jrwren> use openbsd!
[18:12] <Blazeix> snap-l: yeah, I chose xfce because you're a unity user. obviously you should switch to a tiling wm
[18:12] <snap-l> I'm just getting cranky with the direction that things are heading
[18:12] <snap-l> And I'm feeling powerless to change the direction
[18:13] <brousch> snap-l: kubuntu is still there!
[18:13] <brousch> but i feel your pain, which is why i'm on 10.04
[18:14] <snap-l> Well, and worse, we're relying on third party developers to make good graphics drivers
[18:14] <snap-l> and that's not happening
[18:14] <snap-l> And I'm sorry, but Unity 2D is not the same.
[18:14] <snap-l> Sorry, getting frustrated.
[18:18] <jrwren> Windows starter edition is cheap *snicker*
[18:20] <Wolfger> Free with the purchase of a new laptop...
[18:26] <Blazeix> actually, is Gnome 3 / Gnome Shell available for Ubuntu? That might scratch your itch for something different.
[18:27] <Blazeix> might end up making you more cranky, though...
[18:37] <jrwren> unity is gnome3 just with a custom panel, right?
[18:38] <Blazeix> oh, i thought it was completely different
[18:38] <Blazeix> afaik gnome3 = gtk3, unity = gtk2, for one thing
[18:38] <brousch> i thought regular gnome3 was going to be available for 11.10
[18:38] <brousch> but it's as big a change as unity
[18:38] <Blazeix> I heard plans of rewriting unity as a gnome 3 extension, at some point
[18:41] <brousch> snap-l: have you seen this?http://dvice.com/archives/2011/08/worlds-fastest-8.php
[18:45] <rick_h_> awesome
[18:50] <nullspace> are we hating on unity and gnome 3.0?
[18:51] <Blazeix> actually, I think the hate is for general bugginess in installation processes.
[18:57] <brousch> i thought we were complaining about unstable alpha releases
[18:57] <snap-l> My hate is for a stack that has weak links like proprietary drivers.
[18:57] <brousch> ubuntu alphas should be as stable as google betas
[18:58] <nullspace> talking to a guy who has a blacklisted gpu, seriously blacklisted?
[19:03] <snap-l> Nothing more beautiful than watching rsync overload a framebuffer.
[19:04] <jjesse> my update this morning blew up my VM good thing nothing serious was on it
[19:25] <_stink_> just got this text from my mom: "We have IT guys here working on our phones. It's amazing how creepy some IT guys look!"
[19:25] <_stink_> my response: "They make us put creepy costumes on before work. That, or it's evidence that most IT guys live in their parents' basement."
[19:41] <rick_h_> grumble, no luck tuning any channels with this tv tuner stick/antenna
[19:41] <rick_h_> even sitting outside o nthe upstair deck
[19:49] <jrwren> :(
[19:49] <jrwren> how far are you?
[19:50] <jrwren> Clarkston is only like 40 miles.
[19:50] <jrwren> I think I'm probably about the same.
[19:50] <rick_h_> this site says 20ish miles from towers
[19:50] <rick_h_> antennsa says it should work 35mi
[19:51] <rick_h_> might have to go up an antenna level
[19:51] <rick_h_> I'll try it at CHC tonight, will bring me close by
[19:51] <rick_h_> if it works there, then I know it's just antenna reach I guess
[19:51] <rick_h_> ugh, so close to getting cable cut
[19:58] <jrwren> i cut mine.
[19:58] <jrwren> do you use cable modem?
[19:59] <jrwren> comcast still sends local stations down the analog cable if you have a cable modem, so you will have local channels.
[19:59] <rick_h_> I'm on uverse rightnow
[19:59] <jrwren> ah, nope. bummer
[19:59] <rick_h_> so use their net connection with cable package
[19:59] <jrwren> they might too, i just don't know.
[20:00] <rick_h_> ah yea
[20:00] <rick_h_> I want to get the antenna thing to work, seems like I should be able to easy enough
[20:00] <rick_h_> but then again, nothing's as easy as it seems
[20:01] <snap-l> btw: glad I backed up this machine prior to install
[20:01] <rick_h_> :)
[20:01] <snap-l> because I was seriously going to not do it, but better safe than sorrt.
[20:15] <snap-l> Fuck.
[20:15] <Blazeix> uhoh
[20:15] <snap-l> Not sure how I managed, but apparently I installed i686 instead of amd64
[20:16] <snap-l> and a-reinstall we go
[20:16] <snap-l> closer to just bringing a damn book and being done with it for today. ;)
[20:17] <snap-l> Anyone want to roll up some characters for CHC D&D?
[20:20] <brousch> ug, i just poked at kubuntu for an hour. i have a headache
[20:21] <brousch> i can't believe people use it every day
[20:21] <snap-l> They say the same about GNOME
[20:22] <snap-l> but yeah, having mouseovers the size of trees is not my idea of fun
[20:23] <brousch> it's like they took win7 and said 'how can we make this uglier and more annoying?'
[20:29] <jjesse> kubuntu?
[20:29] <jjesse> really gave you a headache?
[20:30] <krondor> brousch:  It's been awhile since I played in Kubuntu but in the past I never understood why they themed KDE the way they did.
[20:31] <brousch> it's very "what can we do" and not "what should we do"
[20:31] <brousch> sure you can make everything fade and slide and transparent, but you really shouldn't
[20:32] <brousch> i suppose unity is going the same route
[20:32] <krondor> maybe you just don't like the future ;)
[20:34] <snap-l> I can agree to that.
[20:35] <Blazeix> I think most terrible flashy desktops I've seen have been gnome, though. Courtesy of compiz/beryl
[20:36] <brousch> Blazeix: i never turn on compiz
[20:36] <snap-l> Blazeix: Yes, compiz can make a usability disaster
[20:36] <snap-l> but Kubuntu ships as one.
[20:40] <brousch> i used it for about 18 months back around 2007. i swear it wasn't this annoying back then
[20:45] <jrwren> snap-l: wait... ubuntu let you upgrade amd64 to i686 ?
[20:46] <jrwren> wobbly windows!
[20:51] <snap-l> jrwren: No, I installed the wrong version when I reinstalled
[20:51] <snap-l> I have a directory of iso images, and I must've selected the wrong one.
[21:01] <snap-l> Should I be worried that JoDee is reading up on the Wikipedia articke on the Jewish tradition surrounding Lillith? :)
[21:18] <snap-l> rick_h_: ping
[22:30] <snap-l> http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/08/17/us-tmobile-att-lawsuits-idUSTRE77G59020110817
[22:30] <snap-l> Seriously?
[23:54] <rick_h_> snap-l: pong