[14:41] <gilbert> hey ppls
[14:41] <gilbert> :)
[14:46] <gilbert> no ones up early i guess :(
[14:46] <paultag> ohai g	
[14:46] <paultag> erm gilbert
[14:46] <paultag> oahio (morelik)
[14:46] <gilbert> what up paultag!
[14:46] <paultag> gilbert: nada my man! How's things?
[14:47] <gilbert> not too bad :)
[14:47] <gilbert> just busy working on my dissertation
[14:47] <paultag> :)
[14:48] <paultag> gilbert: how's it going
[14:48] <paultag> kicking it's ass yet?
[14:48] <gilbert> getting there ;)  60-some pages written...
[14:49] <gilbert> and i hate writing :( i go over every paragraph 10 times till i get it just right...
[14:49] <paultag> +1
[14:50] <gilbert> i'm not really a perfectionist, but for some reason i have to make it sound right
[14:50] <paultag> gilbert: dude, this represents years of work
[14:50] <paultag> I don't blame you
[14:51] <gilbert> paultag: true
[14:51] <gilbert> dat
[14:51] <gilbert> how's boston?
[14:51] <paultag> gilbert: not bad. Works' a bit merm
[14:51] <paultag> but not bad
[14:51] <gilbert> u coming in for olf?
[14:52] <paultag> gilbert: I'm going to try wicked hard (haahd)
[14:52] <gilbert> cool
[14:52] <paultag> gilbert: might be able to swing it but it's up in the air
[14:52] <paultag> gilbert: how's OFL planning going?
[14:52] <gilbert> should be awesome.  looks like Jon's taking care of ubucon :)
[14:52] <paultag> :)
[14:52] <gilbert> we've got the booth
[14:52] <gilbert> i requested swag
[14:53] <paultag> gilbert: did canonical get back to you?
[14:53] <gilbert> jacob said he was gonna work on a disc burning station
[14:53] <paultag> fuck yeah, that sounded awesome
[14:53] <gilbert> haven't heard back on that yet
[14:53] <paultag> >:|
[14:53] <paultag> they're so crappy about this stuff
[14:53] <gilbert> what should i do?
[14:53] <paultag> gilbert: did you CC me on the mail?
[14:53] <paultag> I can't remember
[14:53] <gilbert> don't remember either, i'll check
[14:55] <gilbert> no, forgot to cc you
[14:56] <gilbert> forwarded
[14:56] <paultag> gilbert: ack'd
[14:59] <paultag> gilbert: pushed it to shippit's boss
[14:59] <paultag> gilbert: I'll keep you in the loop
[14:59] <gilbert> cool, thanks man, you rule :)
[14:59] <paultag> np man, I got my boys (and gals) in Ohio covered :)
[15:22] <jacob> gilbert: you just reminded me of that, actually
[15:22] <jacob> i have a bit of it done, but the actual burning doesn't take place yet :P
[15:22] <jacob> should be support for flashing usb drives as well
[15:23] <gilbert> jacob: nice :)
[15:23] <gilbert> jacob: i think it'll be pretty sweet if ppl can just walk up and say i want this or that version (or even another distro) and burn it themselves
[15:24] <jacob> gilbert: I agree
[15:24] <jacob> if I was at home I'd show you some screenshots, but i don't have my git repo sync online yet
[15:25] <gilbert> you should package it once you're done :)
[15:25] <jacob> gilbert: haha, I feared you'd say that. I plan on releasing it, at least; packaging is the bane of my existence
[15:25] <jacob> but i'll try :P
[15:26] <gilbert> i'll make a package for u
[15:26] <gilbert> :P
[15:26] <jacob> that would rock.
[15:26] <jacob> (i've still got sour grapes from using PPAs :| )
[15:28] <jacob> on a related note, we package things here at work, but for fedora/rhel -- I must say I really like spec files when compared to debian packaging.
[15:29] <gilbert> really?  i've never tried to make an rpm before.  why is it better?
[15:30] <jacob> it's not necessarily better, but more compact and "sane" in my opinion
[15:32] <gilbert> hmmm, debian packaging is a bit scatterbrained with the whole many-little-files with varying syntax syndrome
[15:32] <jacob> namely, everything is in one file. for example: http://pastebin.com/zA104nE5
[15:32] <jacob> yes, that's my main gripe with debian packaging. that and the format is constantly changing
[15:33] <gilbert> it's the difference between a group of volunteers working on all the little bits vs a corporation dictating a solution
[15:34] <jacob> very true
[15:35] <gilbert> the minimalistic debian/rules via debhelper 8 was a major advancement in my opinion
[15:35] <gilbert> now at least you don't have to deal with the nuances need in the rules file.  it gets added automatically
[15:36] <jacob> that's a good point, and admittedly i haven't done much packaging since dh 7
[15:37] <paultag> dh 8 rocks
[15:37] <jacob> perhaps i'll give learning it a go again :)
[15:37] <gilbert> paultag: yes :)
[15:38] <gilbert> automagic is very magical
[15:39] <gilbert> anyone using gnome 3 yet?
[15:40] <paultag> I was for a while
[15:40] <paultag> gilbert: then I got my @fluxbox.org, so I'm sticking with that for a few weeks
[15:40] <gilbert> paultag: nice
[15:40] <paultag> then once Syn's working, I'm going X-less, and a framebuffer based web-browser or something
[15:41] <gilbert> what is syn?
[15:43] <gilbert> it will be nice once x goes away...that code is 50 bajillion years old now
[15:43] <jacob> i'm definitely excited to see wayland in action
[15:43] <gilbert> jacob: yeah totally.  me too
[15:43] <jacob> alas, i have an nvidia card, and the chance of nvidia making wayland drivers is slim
[15:44] <gilbert> i'm sure someone will start a wayland-nouveau project
[15:45] <gilbert> (maybe they can use some of the existing x code...i dunno)
[15:45] <paultag> wayland will be used with X for the next few years
[15:45] <paultag> x → wayland → app
[15:46] <gilbert> paultag: interesting
[15:46] <gilbert> that's actually a very smart transitional process
[15:46] <paultag> gilbert: yeah
[15:46] <paultag> last I checked it was going to use wayland as the root X screen, and push it all on that
[15:46] <jacob> that's probably for the best for compatability, at least
[15:46] <gilbert> don't usually see that from canonical
[15:46] <paultag> but it should work backwards and forwards
[15:46] <paultag> gilbert: don't think that design was canonical
[15:46] <paultag> them's a bunch of shitheads
[15:46] <paultag> erm, I mean
[15:46] <gilbert> haha
[15:46] <jacob> (lol)
[15:46] <paultag> lovely folks
[15:47] <jacob> in any case, good to hear, i always thought it was wayland -> x -> app
[15:47] <paultag> nope :)
[15:48] <paultag> not for a little while, anyway
[15:48] <paultag> let me see if I can find the design post I was reading about it
[15:49] <paultag> erm wait
[15:49] <paultag> fuck, looks like I'm an asshole and read that backwards
[15:49] <paultag> jacob's right
[15:49] <paultag> http://wayland.freedesktop.org/faq.html#heading_toc_j_4
[15:49] <paultag> looks like wayland will multiplex X screens
[15:51] <jacob> right, that's what i heard
[15:51] <jacob> you should pitch your original thought though ;)
[15:51] <gilbert> interesting: "Wayland reuses the DRI drivers, the kernel side GEM scheduler and kernel mode setting. Wayland doesn't have to compete with other projects for drivers and driver developers, it lives within the X.org, mesa and drm community and benefits from all the hardware enablement and driver development happening there."
[15:51] <jacob> meaning KMS required -> GPL driver required -> little proprietary support. unless i read that wrong
[15:52] <paultag> jacob: y'rly
[15:52] <paultag> that would be a smart way of doing it, methinks
[15:52] <jacob> anyway, i've got to go to a staff meeting, but i'll probably hop back on on my phone :D
[15:52] <jacob> back later
[15:52] <paultag> righto