[00:00] <jbicha> billybigrigger: look at /var/log/Xorg.0.log or try sudo lshw -C video
[00:01] <billybigrigger> well i was just under the impression that xorg.conf wasn't needed anymore, so i was wondering where the video driver is set
[00:01] <kyubutsu> !x
[00:01] <jbicha> it's set automatically
[00:02] <billybigrigger> so now what's the most stable ati driver to use with 11.10? radeon?
[00:03] <kyubutsu> ati is radeon
[00:03] <billybigrigger> ok so what's the galium driver called?
[00:03] <billybigrigger> cause that's what worked the best for me
[00:03] <kyubutsu> !fglrx
[00:04] <rww> billybigrigger: I think that's radeon.
[00:04] <kyubutsu> !gallium
[00:05] <kyubutsu> gallium is the open source driver
[00:06] <kyubutsu> for either nvidia or ati/radepm
[00:06] <kyubutsu> radeon
[00:09] <alex_mayorga> what color(s) is the dash supposed to be?
[00:30] <Corey> Ooh, that worked!
[01:43] <billybigrigger> anyone had any luck getting flash 11 working with firefox?
[01:44] <jbicha> billybigrigger: are you using 64 bit Ubuntu?
[01:44] <billybigrigger> yes
[01:44] <jbicha> I just use https://launchpad.net/~sevenmachines/+archive/flash and it works for me
[01:45] <billybigrigger> hmm will look into it
[01:45] <billybigrigger> i can't launch firefox right now for some reason? maybe because i'm updating?
[01:46] <jbicha> billybigrigger: you could also try firefox -ProfileManager to start with a clean profile
[01:48] <billybigrigger> just needed a few clicks i guess, it fired up now, i was wondering why it wouldn't launch, xorg and update-manager are using at most 40% cpu/mem
[01:50] <billybigrigger> time
[01:51] <billybigrigger> time
[01:53] <billybigrigger> time
[01:53] <billybigrigger> that's not too bad, under 2 mins from restart to back logged into irc :)
[02:01] <billybigrigger> jbicha, nice! flash 11 is smooooooth :)
[02:01] <billybigrigger> thanks for the link
[02:13] <TheSimkin>  hey guys, getting error "Could not start D-Bus. Can you call qdbus?"
[02:13] <TheSimkin> upon login
[02:13] <TheSimkin> (it then kicks me out)
[02:14] <TheSimkin> (it then kicks me out)i tried calling qdbus and I am told it is not installed and to install a package... but the package is already installed (and i did a --reinstall)
[02:14] <yofel> install qt4-dev-tools
[02:14] <TheSimkin> wicked
[02:14] <yofel> or wait a few hours and update
[02:14] <TheSimkin> thanks
[02:17] <LostyJai> hi guys
[02:17] <LostyJai> sorry for stupid question, is 11.10 in beta?
[02:17] <bazhang>  try /topic
[02:17] <LostyJai> alpha even
[02:17] <LostyJai> guess it's still in production... koooool
[02:18] <urlin2u> LostyJai, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OneiricReleaseSchedule
[02:22] <TheSimkin> in truth i accidentally went to oneiric (update-manager -d and not paying attention...)
[02:22] <TheSimkin> but i am very happy i did!
[02:23] <TheSimkin> yofel: thank you
[02:23] <TheSimkin> that worked
[03:23] <billybigrigger> no one alive tonight?
[03:23] <escott> billybigrigger, a few zombies are around
[03:24] <billybigrigger> right arm
[03:24] <billybigrigger> this channel seems dead compared to the last time i hung around here...10.04 i believe
[03:35] <dr-willis> still alpha stage
[03:35] <dr-willis> it will pick up
[03:40] <billybigrigger> dr-willis, howdy
[03:40] <billybigrigger> long time no see :)
[03:40] <dr-willis> moo!
[03:41] <billybigrigger> ha
[03:41] <billybigrigger> feeling ok? :P
[03:42] <dr-willis> working like a dog. been reading up on gnome shell also.
[03:43] <billybigrigger> dr-willis, what is the best performing ati driver for 11.10?
[03:43] <billybigrigger> and what's all the fuss about gtk3 and lightdm? i don't see any difference between 11.04
[03:44] <billybigrigger> lightdm looks the same as gdm, and gtk2 to 3 has no noticable differences for me...
[03:46] <dr-willis> billybigrigger:  i font use ati. :)
[03:46] <billybigrigger> ahh i see
[03:46] <billybigrigger> dr-willis, any idea why i have nvidia-common installed on my ati based laptop?
[03:47] <dr-willis> lightdm has some digferent features ive noticed. mot sll are obvious.
[03:47] <rww> billybigrigger: because it's installed by default
[03:47] <billybigrigger> rww, seems a bit odd to me, no?
[03:47] <rww> billybigrigger: not really. Jockey uses it.
[03:47] <billybigrigger> jockey can suck it, won't even install fglrx for me
[03:47] <bullgard4_> [GNOME 3] What is the keyboard command to invoke the  Activities > Applications button?
[03:49] <dr-willis> o saw a gnome3/shell keybotd shortcuts cheet sheet at the gnome3 homepage last week.
[03:49] <dr-willis> i neef to print it out. when i find it again
[04:15] <ethana2> how do I switch from nVidia proprietary drivers to Nouveau 3d through the terminal?
[04:16] <ethana2> ...'cause the teminal is all that works right now; I'm running this machine off my flash drive now
[04:18] <billybigrigger> ethana2, i've been trying to find out where i can switch my ati drivers aswell
[04:18] <ethana2> I guess I'll try modifying xorg.conf
[04:19] <jbicha> ethana2: you could remove nvidia
[04:20] <ethana2> jbicha: may as well i guess
[04:20]  * ethana2 tries that
[04:20] <ethana2> ...wait, what command should I use for that?
[04:20] <ethana2> sudo apt-get remove nvidia-common ?
[04:20] <chrome_> when for ubuntu 11.10?
[04:21] <ethana2> chrome_: when will it be released?
[04:21] <jbicha> ethana2: yes, I think you also need to remove nvidia-common and nvidia-settings
[04:21] <ethana2> chrome_: October 13
[04:21] <chrome_> thanks
[04:21] <jbicha> !schedule
[04:21] <ethana2> jbicha: ok, i'll do that now
[04:26] <billybigrigger> who is maintaining the gnome-tweak-tool?
[04:29] <ethana3> ok, that still leaves me with no working graphics
[04:30] <ethana3> I tried  sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg  and it did nothing
[04:30] <ethana3> When I try to start lightdm manually X complains that it's not set up right..
[04:32] <ethana3> *sigh* I do this to myself _every_ release. Download and install alpha 3, screw over the drivers, get frustrated, wait around until the final release
[04:33] <ethana3> is there a terminal alternative to jockey-gtk?
[04:33] <billybigrigger> ethana3, hehe
[04:33] <jbicha> ethana3: jockey-cli
[04:33] <ethana3> jbicha: ooh!
[04:33] <billybigrigger> jockey-text i think
[04:33] <jbicha> oops, jockey-text is right
[04:33] <ethana3> i'll try 'em both
[04:33] <ethana3> jockey-text
[04:33] <ethana3> k
[04:34] <billybigrigger> metacity just crashed
[04:34] <billybigrigger> lovely
[04:38] <urlin2u> billybigrigger, you know how to restart it metacity?
[04:38] <billybigrigger> urlin2u, nope
[04:38] <ethana3_> ok, jockey-text doesn't show any drivers
[04:38] <billybigrigger> gnome is effed in A3, i think i might try kde again :P
[04:38] <urlin2u> billybigrigger, in a terminal metacity --replace
[04:38] <billybigrigger> ethana3_, don't worry, it doesn't show me any ati drivers either
[04:39] <ethana3_> I basically just need a "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" that, like, works
[04:39] <billybigrigger> oh now compiz crashed :) urlin2u
[04:40] <jbicha> ethana3_: you don't still have an xorg.conf, do you?
[04:40] <ethana3_> jbicha: it has almost nothing in it
[04:40] <jbicha> you can also try booting with an older kernel
[04:41] <ethana3_> hmm
[04:41] <ethana3_> ok, i'm looking at my xorg.conf on my SSD
[04:41] <jbicha> but I don't know, troubleshooting these things lost distance is a challenge
[04:42] <urlin2u> billybigrigger, compiz --replce for that.
[04:42] <ethana3_> it just has Section "Device" with some meaningless stuff in it
[04:42] <urlin2u> compiz --replace that is billybigrigger
[04:43] <jbicha> by the way, don't upgrade Synaptic if you're on amd64
[04:43] <jbicha> wait for bug 828315 to be fixed
[04:44] <urlin2u> jbicha, I could only get it open with the terminal today all updated 32bit
[04:45] <jbicha> urlin2u: it should work on 32 bit now, 32 bit and 64 bit traded places
[04:48] <urlin2u> jbicha, I will have to look I hardly use it as of now thanks.
[04:52] <ethana3_> Should I like, reinstall Xorg?  I really want to get this taken care of before I go to bed
[04:55] <jbicha> ethana3_: you could reinstall nouveau but reinstalling all of xorg wouldn't help
[04:56] <jbicha> the command for that is apt-get install --reinstall
[04:56] <ethana3_> jbicha: does the package name for nouveau go before or after the --reinstall ?
[04:57] <ethana3_> and will that automatically configure X to actually use the driver?
[04:57] <jbicha> you could try looking in your ~/.xsession-errors also
[04:57] <jbicha> no, X does its thing automatically
[04:57] <ethana3_> so, yes?
[04:58] <ethana3_> well, I'll try reinstalling nouveau now, bbiab like as not
[04:58] <jbicha> nvidia tries to force itself to be used instead of nouveau
[05:15] <ethana3> I think I'll just reinstall the operating system
[05:15] <ethana3> If I would have done that first, I'd be done by now
[05:15] <ethana3> thanks for the help and advice though, have a good night
[05:37] <Peddy> is anyone running gnome 3 + gnome shell on 11.10?
[05:38] <kyubutsu> !bug
[05:39] <kyubutsu> sigh
[05:40] <Peddy> was that directed at me?
[05:41] <kyubutsu> no
[05:41] <kyubutsu> you're exempt
[05:42] <kyubutsu> sigh
[05:43] <Peddy> giggle
[05:44] <bullgard4_> [GNOME 3] How can I install Sticky_Notes_(applet)?
[05:46] <jbicha> bullgard4_: install gnome-applets
[05:46] <IdleOne> kyubutsu_kde, any good news on d-bus?
[05:47] <jbicha> Peddy: yes, it works pretty well
[05:47] <kyubutsu_kde> only that some folk are still having it
[05:48] <kyubutsu_kde> i dun wanna reboot this time
[05:48] <kyubutsu_kde> :(
[05:48] <Peddy> jbicha, do you mind checking something quickly for me? I've filed a bug report but want to see if it's common
[05:48] <jbicha> sure
[05:48] <Peddy> does your alt-f2 work?
[05:48] <Peddy> e.g., if you enter 'firefox', does it open firefox?
[05:48] <kyubutsu_kde> i should.. maybe i'll catch a crash log this time
[05:49] <jbicha> Peddy: known issue, it will get fixed when we get Gnome Shell 3.1.4 but we're waiting on a new version of clutter to get packaged first
[05:49] <kyubutsu_kde> :-/
[05:49] <Peddy> thanks jbicha, is there a bug report? I just filed mine. I'll delete it
[05:49] <bullgard4_> jbicha: I did install gnome-applets. Where can I find Sticky_Notes_(applet) now?
[05:50] <jbicha> Peddy: you can't delete bug reports but I already marked it as a duplicate of bug 816762
[05:51] <Peddy> thanks jbicha, I searched and I searched for that!
[05:51] <jbicha> Peddy: what I do is go to the page like this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell/
[05:52] <jbicha> and change the sort to "most recently changed"
[05:52] <jbicha> so in answer to your previous question, gnome shell works well except for that bug
[05:53] <jbicha> you figured out how to use the Adwaita theme, right?
[05:53] <Peddy> jbicha, it does! I didn't mean to ask if it's working well
[05:53] <jbicha> oh, the imaginary question I answered, lol
[05:53] <Peddy> hmm, how do you  mean Adwaita? Is it not the default?
[05:54] <Peddy> (by the way, does your volume level bar work when you change the volume with media keys?)
[05:54]  * kyubutsu_kde eyeballs muon
[05:54] <kyubutsu_kde> 0.o
[05:55] <jbicha> no, Ambiance is probably default, install gnome-themes-standard and gnome-tweak-tool
[05:55] <jbicha> then change Windows>Theme to Adwaita then reload gnome-shell
[05:56] <Peddy> I have the tweak tool, but its adwaita looked really buggy (probably because gnome-themes-standard wasn't installed). Installing it now
[05:56] <Peddy> It's pretty! :D
[05:56] <Peddy> just like you.
[05:57] <jbicha> haha
[05:57]  * kyubutsu_kde facepalm
[05:58] <Peddy> is the window border supposed to look like this?: http://i.imgur.com/RnHtw.png
[05:59] <rww> no
[06:00] <jbicha> Peddy: no, reload your gnome shell
[06:00] <Peddy> I have :/
[06:00] <kyubutsu_kde> bring forth the bugs!  o.0
[06:00] <Peddy> what should "GTK+ Theme" be? Adwaita as well?
[06:01] <Peddy> (it is)
[06:01] <jbicha> it's supposed to look a bit more like https://live.gnome.org/GnomeShell/Tour
[06:01] <kyubutsu_kde> thats a few miles away from your target
[06:01] <jbicha> maybe try logging out and back in
[06:01] <Peddy> hmm, I will disable the buttons
[06:01] <Peddy> minimize etc
[06:02] <Peddy> nope, logging out now
[06:03] <Peddy> No :/ shall I file a bug report? Are there more tests to be done?
[06:04] <kyubutsu_kde> one of us, one of us
[06:04] <kyubutsu_kde> o.o
[06:07] <jbicha> well if you figure out why it doesn't work then we can fix it
[06:11] <Peddy> where can I start?
[06:15] <jbicha> I don't know because it works for me
[06:15] <Peddy> can I run gnome shell in some kind of debugging mode? Is there a log file?
[06:16] <jbicha> so let's see if we can get it not work for me
[06:16] <jbicha> there's looking glass (Alt+F2 lg) but I don't think that will help here
[06:17] <Peddy> I'll rename Adwaita to something else (something that's working) in /usr/share/themes
[06:17] <jbicha> no, that's not a good idea either
[06:18] <Peddy> even for just the sake of testing it?
[06:19] <Peddy> hm it is a stupid idea, the folder name doesn't really matter
[06:22] <Peddy> hm, other window themes seem to work, it's just adwaita. What package does it live in? (because I had it as an option, even before installing gnome-themes-standard)
[06:24] <jbicha> it lives in gnome-themes-standard and I just confirmed it worked for me even on a relatively fresh virtual machine
[06:25] <Peddy> I will probably reinstall when 11.10 is released then, my system has become rather cluttered sadly
[06:25] <jbicha> you didn't exactly have it as an option, that's just the default choice which is confusing...
[06:26] <jbicha> well, Gnome's default, not Ubuntu's default
[06:26] <Peddy> hmm. Back in 11.04, I installed gnome 3 + shell from a PPA, if that means anything
[06:26] <Peddy> Let me try on a new user account.
[06:29] <bullgard4_> jbicha: I did install gnome-applets. Where can I find Sticky_Notes_(applet) now?
[06:31] <Peddy> nope, still happens with a new user
[06:32] <Peddy> ooh, if I use metacity, I can use the theme
[06:33] <Peddy> metacity: http://i.imgur.com/Yynn6.png
[06:36] <Peddy> Oho! Window manager warning: Failed to load theme "Adwaita": Line 119 character 50: Did not understand color component "custom(wm_title_highlight,gtk:base" in color specification
[06:37] <jbicha> oh, no that's useful
[06:37] <jbicha> *now
[06:38] <Peddy> I have to go now, hopefully we can get it fixed a little later :-)
[06:38] <Peddy> thanks for your help!
[06:53] <kyubutsu_kde> !botsnack
[06:58] <kyubutsu_kde> there are only 9 qdbus bugs on launchpad, none about alpha3's crash though
[06:59] <kyubutsu_kde> sigh
[06:59] <kyubutsu_kde> oneiric indeed
[07:00] <kyubutsu_kde> :o
[07:05] <kyubutsu_kde> this bug does not exist. won't fix
[07:45] <kyubutsu_kde> muon +1
[07:47] <kyubutsu_kde> sure, the software center part is 90% like its unity counterpart, but with cooler colors
[07:47] <kyubutsu_kde> :-p
[07:56] <Trewas> having been a gnome2 user for a long time choosing which desktop to use now is a bit of a hassle :/
[08:07] <kyubutsu_kde> well.. i'd say kde now has a more classic desktop and unity is more a new school approach. i still prefer kde apps though
[08:08] <kyubutsu_kde> i think unity will greatly appeal most to mobile device users
[08:09] <kyubutsu_kde> which was kinda the mission statement anyway
[08:09] <Trewas> maybe unity can be made usable for me by removing most egregious design mistakes (global menu and window controls in the wrong side), too bad they are not easily configurable
[08:10] <Trewas> I have tried kde, but it is just so different to gnome2, unity is a bit closer since it at least uses gnome in the background (nautilus etc)
[08:12] <kyubutsu_kde> precisely, in the end you go with what you are most comfortable with
[08:12] <kyubutsu_kde> -_-
[08:13] <kyubutsu_kde> but, you sure will have more to complain about with unity than kde at this point
[08:13] <kyubutsu_kde> :-p
[08:13] <Trewas> hehe, probably :)
[08:18] <kyubutsu_kde> some hate kde 4.x series.. i, conversely, dont like the 3.x style instead, which is fine by me since 4.7 is out!  lucky me
[08:19] <Lynoure> I love there being choices :)
[08:38] <Peddy> jbicha, do you still have scrollback to that error I posted? Do you know which file it refers to?
[08:49] <Peddy> could someone please pastebin their /usr/share/themes/Adwaita/metacity-1 file for me?
[08:52] <Peddy> aaand I found the bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell/+bug/828543
[09:27] <topyli> are the ubuntu light-themes supposed to work in gnome-shell too? window decoration for me is broken just like adwaita (re: bug referenced above)
[09:41] <Trewas> hrm, pretty much all the configuration options (changing themes, fonts, most keyboard shortcuts, etc) seems to have gone out with change to gnome3's control-center, or is there some separate application for unity configs now?
[09:46] <drussell> Trewas: afaik it's all missing for now :o/
[09:46] <drussell> Trewas: it's the same for power saving (dim screen, laptop lid etc)
[09:50] <Trewas> hopefully they'll add some GUI for those before release, though I guess they are still tweakable via gconf-editor (or is unity using dconf?)
[09:56] <drussell> Trewas: yeah, things are still usually tweakable via whatever backend is present
[09:57] <drussell> Trewas: although with us being passed feature freeze now, I'm not sure how much more change will be coming in... if you've not already I'd recommend filing a bug (after searching first)
[09:57] <drussell> Trewas: I've filed for the laptop power settings
[10:05] <topyli> Trewas: you can use gnome-tweak-tool for themes, fonts, etc. unity is another matter and never had an UI for many settings
[10:05] <Trewas> topyli: g-t-t only changes fonts and the gtk-theme, compiz-decorator (window borders) doesn't seem to be configurable with any GUI now
[10:06] <topyli> oh yes that's yet another pice in the puzzle
[10:07] <topyli> you asked about "themes, fonts, most keyboard shortcuts, etc" though :)
[10:10] <Trewas> well, I'd consider window borders quite important part of the theme :) also I didn't find anywhere how to change ctrl-alt-arrow desktop-change keys to my liking (only ctrl-arrow), they used to be in g-c-c
[10:16] <topyli> ah, keyboard shortcuts are in "system settings", with the rest of the keyboard settings
[10:17] <Trewas> some of them are, not those
[10:17] <Trewas> meh, with the changes in the configuration backends it will be a real hassle to find how to configure anything
[10:22] <topyli> that's where i changed them
[10:25] <Trewas> to me it shows only shortcuts for launchers, sound and media, system, universal access and (empty) custom shortcuts
[10:27] <topyli> interesting. mine has a "navigation" section as well
[10:27] <topyli> maybe it's becasue i'm using gnome-shell, not unity
[10:27] <Trewas> probably
[10:27] <topyli> oh and it probably is actually
[10:28] <topyli> so i suppose you now get to fire up gconf-editor and do your compiz stuff there
[10:30] <Trewas> it surely will not cause any whining in forums etc if the final version will be just as unconfigurable :)
[10:32] <topyli> the total amount of whining is a constant, even though the issues picked by whiners change each year
[10:34] <Trewas> ok, the keys are under /apps/metacity/global_keybindings, also /a/m/general/focus_mode to "sloppy" for sloppy focus
[10:35] <topyli> at least they now finally agree that gnome 2 is the greatest and most perfect desktop ever
[10:54] <Rods_Tiger> is there anywhere in this new oneiric that a person can see all of the applications laid out together?
[10:58] <Rods_Tiger> at the moment, if you click on 'dash', you get a panel with a handful of apps, but if you click on anything other than the bottom four, for example 'media apps', 'internet apps' and 'more apps' all you get is a search line, and nothing to see. How can a person search for what they don't know is there? I can't remember the names of things, but I recognise what the picture of an app looks like.
[11:05] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[11:09] <BluesKaj> I'm still at the TTY trying figure out what to do about the D-Bus failure ...any fixes in the mix since yestarday afternoon ?
[11:13] <BluesKaj> guess  it's just too early ..nobody around
[11:14] <Rods_Tiger> I still can't get my screen to stay on forever
[11:18] <BluesKaj> Rods_Tiger: do you mean that you want a no sleep or no dim setting ?
[11:19] <BluesKaj> Rods_Tiger: set up your screensaver to stay on indefinitely
[11:20] <BluesKaj> 'mornin' dr-willis
[11:21] <dr-willis> yep. got off work..time for bed. ;)
[11:21] <BluesKaj> ahh , the night shift ...don't miss those
[11:22] <yofel> BluesKaj: install qt4-dev-tools
[11:22] <yofel> or wait a few hours more I guess
[11:25] <Rods_Tiger> the screensaver can't stay on indefinitely
[11:25] <BluesKaj> ok yofel  , will do , thx
[11:26] <BluesKaj> yofel:  installing
[11:28] <BluesKaj> anything else that might be relavent , yofel  ?
[11:29] <yofel> not really, that should be all
[11:30] <Rods_Tiger> there's no option for 'indefinitely' or similar
[11:30] <BluesKaj> Rods_Tiger:  just try 24hrs
[11:30] <Rods_Tiger> how?
[11:31] <Rods_Tiger> by what means can I make it that?
[11:31] <BluesKaj> in the screensaver timer
[11:31] <Rods_Tiger> how?
[11:31] <Rods_Tiger> there's no means to do that
[11:31] <yofel> bbl
[11:31] <Rods_Tiger> I want it on all the time, not turning off every time I'm not looking
[11:32] <BluesKaj> someone who runs gnome must know ..KDE here so my memoey fails about gnome
[11:32] <Rods_Tiger> when you say 24hrs, how do I do that?
[11:32] <Rods_Tiger> this is using the current Oneiric just installed a few days ago
[11:33] <BluesKaj> anyway BBL, gotta try to get X and D-Bus or qbus working
[11:33] <Rods_Tiger> it keeps turning the monitor off every time I look around I see a blank screen instead of what I am expecting to be displayed
[11:36] <Rods_Tiger> I can't see any way of setting 24hrs or similar. Even 24hrs isn't good enough - I want it on all the time
[11:36] <BluesKaj> hey folks
[11:37] <Rods_Tiger> In fact, I don't require the screensaver to be functioning at all
[11:37] <Rods_Tiger> is there a way of making it not active?
[11:37] <BluesKaj> Rods_Tiger, it may be your only option
[11:37] <Rods_Tiger> then it's not an option, if it's the only one
[11:37] <Rods_Tiger> that's what's got to happen
[11:38] <BluesKaj> hey yofel , fixed! ..thanks for your attention on this :)
[11:38] <Rods_Tiger> there needs to be a way of switching the screensaver activity off altogether
[11:40] <Rods_Tiger> But I can't see any way of setting 24hrs or similar.
[11:40] <Rods_Tiger> although that would still require someone walking over and waking it up each day
[11:42] <Rods_Tiger> the screensaver is highly counterproductive, and needs to be able to be defeated permanently, easily
[11:43] <Rods_Tiger> The very few people still running a CRT monitor can set the screensaver to 'active' by themselves, I'm sure. Everyone else doesn't require a screensaver any more than they require a floppy disk formatter utility right up front where everyone can use it.
[11:44] <Rods_Tiger> Gah, I just looked around and it's turned the display off again! Unbelievable. Back in a few minutes while I go over there and kick the bloody thing.
[11:46] <kyubutsu> fatality! Rods_Tiger wins!
[11:46] <Rods_Tiger> I'm back, that machine is going to go through the window if it keeps making me angry like this
[11:46]  * kyubutsu looks for qt4 patch down the muon list
[11:47] <kyubutsu> :D
[11:51] <Rods_Tiger> on another topic, I've installed oneiric to another drive on another machine, but since it updated after install it no longer goes into gnome or x or anything like that. It stops on the black screen after it says "Checking battery state... [OK]" and goes no further
[11:51] <Rods_Tiger> I wonder what might have happened. I can go into it from a tty with startx, so X itself is ok.
[11:52] <kyubutsu> dbus
[11:52] <Rods_Tiger> aha
[11:52] <Rods_Tiger> anything I need to do?
[11:54] <kyubutsu_kde> you're the first i have seen having a dbus issue on gnomunity
[11:55] <Rods_Tiger> the system is running from a usb drive
[11:55] <kyubutsu_kde> plot thickens
[11:56] <Rods_Tiger> install, it works fine. Let it update the four million or so updates, reboot, then it stops being graphic.
[11:56] <kyubutsu_kde> looks like you're going to have to wait for a fix like some of us have
[11:56] <Rods_Tiger> ok
[12:01] <kyubutsu_kde> sigh, i don't see any qt4-dev-tools in muon
[12:02]  * kyubutsu_kde stares at libqt4-dbus
[12:02] <BluesKaj> qt4-dev-tools
[12:03] <kyubutsu_kde> you saw it in muon or you just apt-get that
[12:03] <kyubutsu_kde> ?
[12:03] <BluesKaj> yofel told me to install it , it fixed my D-Bus fail problem..no X noscreens were available just the TTY
[12:04] <kyubutsu_kde> via terminal or package manager?
[12:05] <kyubutsu_kde> 'cause, am looking at muon and there is no such qt4-dev-tools in there
[12:05] <BluesKaj> so I was able to use one tty for irssi nad another to install , in case I needed more help
[12:06] <BluesKaj> I had no X , installed from the tty prompt with apt, ky-get
[12:06] <kyubutsu_kde> <.<
[12:06] <BluesKaj> oops kyubutsu_kde
[12:06] <kyubutsu_kde> i guess i understand you
[12:06] <kyubutsu_kde> o.o
[12:07] <BluesKaj> also i'm using nomodeset in grub , but that's due my use of the nvidia-current driver
[12:08] <kyubutsu_kde> still dont see it in muon though
[12:08] <kyubutsu_kde> -_-
[12:08] <BluesKaj> just use the terminal
[12:09] <kyubutsu_kde> i mean, its in the repos, right? it should be showing up in muon, i wanna do this by the book
[12:09] <BluesKaj> muon doesn't do anytrhing special or different than apt in the terminal...apt is more by the book than usin muon
[12:10] <BluesKaj> they both link to dpkg
[12:11] <kyubutsu_kde> fine, maybe the point am making is muon is buggy?  maybe.  i'll update via terminal see what borkeness i get
[12:13] <BluesKaj> kyubutsu_kde, you're misinformed if you think muon is "proper method or means" to install packages .Where did yo get such a notion ?
[12:14] <kyubutsu_kde> the "package manager" tag it has
[12:14] <BluesKaj> package manager is just gui front end for apt
[12:14] <BluesKaj> !apt
[12:14] <kyubutsu_kde> sigh
[12:16] <kyubutsu_kde> i know all that, am moving along with the new stuff , bro
[12:18] <kyubutsu_kde> o.0
[12:19] <kyubutsu_kde> !muon
[12:19] <Pici> muon is installed with Kubuntu BluesKaj
[12:20] <kyubutsu_kde> he IS on kubuntu
[12:20] <kyubutsu_kde> he does talk like he's on gnome or sumthing, doesnt he
[12:21] <BluesKaj> kyubutsu_kde,my point is apt and the terminal aren't outdated or old stuff , they work like they always have and better ...because muon is the default package manager doesn't make better because it's new .
[12:21] <Pici> kyubutsu_kde: Not every package is installable via the software center either, like -dev packages. Likely the same 'issue' occurs with muon.
[12:22] <Pici> BluesKaj: That wasn't the point of the question.
[12:22] <BluesKaj> Pici, what question ?
[12:23] <Pici> BluesKaj: regarding installing qt4-dev-tools
[12:24] <BluesKaj> I don't appreciate being referred to in the 3rd person kyubutsu_kde ...speak to me directly using my nick if you don't mind.
[12:24] <kyubutsu_kde> Pici: i also know the difference between 'software center' and package manager, yknow
[12:24] <BluesKaj> Pici, I answered it ., "use the terminal "
[12:24] <Pici> Okay, nevermind me.
[12:25]  * Pici wanders off
[13:01] <kyubutsu_kde> it lives!  0.o  muahah
[13:01] <kyubutsu_kde> workd
[13:04] <kyubutsu_kde> policykit1-kde and jockey still crashed before reboot but system seems stable
[13:04] <kyubutsu_kde> :D
[13:05] <kyubutsu_kde> and i did use muon to complete the update anyway
[13:05] <kyubutsu_kde> -_-
[13:08] <BluesKaj> kyubutsu_kde, was qt4-dev-tools listed in muon?
[13:31] <BluesKaj> BBL
[14:34] <h00k> Is....uh...
[14:34] <h00k> Empathy's theme by default broken on purpose?
[14:34] <h00k> er, I mean, is this a new theme on purpose?
[14:34] <h00k> In the works, I suppose.
[14:46] <yofel> hm, anyone an idea how to tell nautilus to NOT start in my kde session?
[14:46] <yofel> it doesn't actually do anything it seems, but then it shouldn't be running either
[15:01] <Rods_Tiger> Yes, I can definitely confirm it is repeatable: take a usb drive, install oneiric to it, reboot, update it, over 700 packages later it finishes, reboot, and it will not make it to the GUI at all, it stops after the text "Checking battery state... [OK]" and goes no further. Just like my previous usb drive install, except this was repeated clean over the past few hours.
[15:02] <Rods_Tiger> and using a different drive.
[15:10] <jtaylor> someone using opera here?
[15:11] <RRRRube> Rods_Tiger: I've had a similar problem (though not running on a USB drive) and it was with lightdm. If you press Ctrl + Alt + F1, then log in at the command prompt, then type sudo restart lightdm, this brings up the regular login screen, where you can log in again normally. This may not be the exact problem you're having, but this worked for me.
[15:14] <Rods_Tiger> if I do control alt f1 and log in, I can just type startx and it will go straight into where I should be. I'll try your thing too.
[15:15] <jtaylor> make sure lightdm-greeter-gtk is installed
[15:16] <Rods_Tiger> As I say, it's a fresh install a couple of hours ago
[15:16] <RRRRube> It may not be the same issue, but I had that stuck at battery stage too, and typing startx didn't work for me. I experienced this on my laptop with Oneiric, also on my desktop with Natty, where I had installed lightdm to test. The problem did resolve itself presumably after an update on the Oneiric rig.
[15:17] <Rods_Tiger> Well, this is taking a usb drive, installing from the oneiric alpha image, rebooting into the install, letting it update for a few hours, rebooting, and this occurs.
[15:17] <Rods_Tiger> Same as it did before on a different install on a different drive.
[15:17] <BluesKaj> just noticed kded4 is uding 50% of cpu ...wonder what's causing this , any ideas ?
[15:18] <BluesKaj> uding=using
[15:18] <Rods_Tiger> sudo restart lightdm hasn't done it with me
[15:19] <RRRRube> Ah, too bad :(
[15:19] <Rods_Tiger> startx is the thing that works
[15:59] <Rods_Tiger> I must say I'm really finding this updated oneiric very difficult to use. I need to see the apps. I need to see the pictures. I can't just type in the names, I forget what the names are. There needs to be somewhere that I can see all the apps all laid out so that I can pick the one I want. The search box is useless for that. I can't describe 'that blue round one with half a banana in the bottom corner' and have it f
[16:00] <escott> Rods_Tiger, you might like gnome3 better
[16:00] <Rods_Tiger> what's oneiric got right now?
[16:02] <escott> Rods_Tiger, by default unity. gnome 3 is similar but has an "applications" tab in the overlay window that provides vertical iOS like scrolling through apps
[16:02] <Rods_Tiger> sounds good
[16:03] <Rods_Tiger> I don't even know the names of the apps I use on my iPad or my Mac, I just know what their picture looks like. I'm sure most people are like that.
[16:10] <Rods_Tiger> I just can't use this. I have no idea what to search for. This 'dash' has just simply crippled ubuntu. The only apps I can find are the ones that were default installed along the left side - the office stuff and the web browser. Now I'm expected to know the exact name of everything else or it remains hidden forever - and I expect it'll be fussy over spelling too.
[16:11] <Rods_Tiger> there were previously a lot of different utilities and configuration apps. They've all just simply gone.
[16:12] <Rods_Tiger> It's not as if it's like OS X, where I've got an Applications folder I can trawl through, reminding myself of what's in there. The apps in linux don't have such a concept.
[16:12] <Rods_Tiger> I'm effectively disconnected from the applications other than the ones in the sidebar.
[16:13] <Rods_Tiger> If I wanted to type in the name of apps, I wouldn't need a gnome or unity or whatever the gui is, I would be using the command line.
[16:14] <escott> Rods_Tiger, well you can search by keyword like "monitor" or "torrent" etc
[16:14] <Rods_Tiger> no, I want to see the picture and click on it
[16:15] <Rods_Tiger> if I wanted to type stuff, I'd use a linux that doesn't have Xorg at all
[16:15] <Rods_Tiger> if I can't see the pictures, it's the same as not having the apps at all - they're effectively gone
[16:16] <Rods_Tiger> I don't know what to type, and will probably get it wrong
[16:16] <Rods_Tiger> this is a huge step backward in usability.
[16:17] <Rods_Tiger> the latest Ubuntu linux takes computing back to before Doug Engelbart.
[16:17] <Rods_Tiger> What's next in the pipeline for Ubuntu? Punch card storage?
[16:18] <escott> Rods_Tiger, lets try and keep it a bit more ontopic and less I hate unity. it gets old after the 100th person. you could go back to 11.04 and use !classic or try gnome3 or use something else
[16:19] <Rods_Tiger> it was fine just a few days ago, but now it's not.
[16:19] <Rods_Tiger> I liked unity until just now
[16:20] <Rods_Tiger> It had pictures of apps. Now it hasn't. I liked it when it had pictures of apps, that way I could tell that I had apps, even apps I didn't know I had.
[16:21] <Pici> Maybe what you're seeing isn't supposed to be happening, can you take a screenshot of it?
[16:22] <jtaylor> anyone here also haa problems with opera and flash?
[16:25] <wh1zz0> Hi guuys... I tried upgrading to ubuntu 11.10 via the update manager, after downloading the packages I restarted my system. I went into synaptic manager to see it everything is fine there. So I reloaded the dependencied and packages but it gives me this error. It this harmful? How can I fix it to avoid this error? http://imagebin.org/168551
[16:25] <wh1zz0> if* dependencies*
[16:26] <jtaylor> wh1zz0: does that ppa provide packages for oneiric?
[16:26] <jtaylor> if not thats normal
[16:27] <mvo> wh1zz0: just disable the ppa in question
[16:27] <jtaylor> you can ignore the message until the ppa updates or remove the ppa from your listing
[16:30] <wh1zz0> jtaylor: I don't understand
[16:30] <wh1zz0> I selected all from the menu and then clicked on reload
[16:30] <wh1zz0> It started checking and some installed then I suddenly got that error
[16:31] <wh1zz0> What does the error me
[16:31] <jtaylor> it means that ppa has no packages for oneiric
[16:31] <wh1zz0> mean*
[16:31] <wh1zz0> Ohww.. I see
[16:31] <jtaylor> it only has them for lucid maverick and natty: https://launchpad.net/~pidgin-developers/+archive/ppa/+packages
[16:31] <wh1zz0> Hmm
[16:32] <jtaylor> oneiric is a development version, you must expect some stuff to not work
[16:32] <wh1zz0> Yea true
[17:09] <dabukalam> I just installed oneiric minial. What do I need to apt-get to get a desktop?
[17:10] <Pici> dabukalam: ubuntu-desktop ?
[17:10] <dabukalam> that's it?
[17:10] <dabukalam> no gdm
[17:11] <dabukalam> no xfce
[17:11] <dabukalam> no bullshit?
[17:11] <Pici> dabukalam: Mind your language please. The ubuntu-desktop metapackage will give you everything that it is installed with the desktop CD.  If you don't want that, please clarify.
[17:26] <syke> hi
[17:27] <syke> I got a crash of colord on boot, and when trying to submit the crash detail I get this from launchpad:
[17:27] <syke> "Unexpected form data
[17:27] <syke> Launchpad doesn't understand the form data submitted in this request."
[17:27] <syke> known problem?
[17:32] <dabukalam> Pici: I'm getting an error that says Unity not installed. E: Broken Packages. -f does nothing, and when I try and install Unity it gives me something else not installed
[17:37] <wh1zz0> Please I want some clarifications about what this back up tool is all about? I'm referring to Deja-dup
[17:37] <wh1zz0> After backup.. Where are the files stored?
[17:37] <billybigrigger> whereever you define them
[17:37] <wh1zz0> Online on a cloud like what ubuntu-one does? Or offline on the computer
[17:37] <wh1zz0> ?
[17:38] <wh1zz0> What's the difference between ubuntu one aqnd deja-dup?
[17:38] <billybigrigger> you can choose whereever on your computer you want
[17:38] <charlie-tca> deja-dup backs up your files automatically, UbuntuOne is a storage site you can use if desired
[17:39] <wh1zz0> Owh.. so it's just a local (offline) backup tool
[17:40] <billybigrigger> you can backup to a cloud too i think
[17:40] <billybigrigger> Features:
[17:40] <billybigrigger>  • Support for local, remote, or cloud backup locations, such as Amazon S3 or Rackspace Cloud Files
[17:40] <billybigrigger>  • Securely encrypts and compresses your data
[17:40] <billybigrigger>  • Incrementally backs up, letting you restore from any particular backup
[17:40] <billybigrigger>  • Schedules regular backups
[17:41] <billybigrigger> wh1zz0, do some googling man, it took me 2 seconds to dig up all your answers
[17:41] <charlie-tca> wh1zz0: deja-dup can do either off-line or online backup
[17:41] <charlie-tca> I used it to back up to dropbox
[17:42] <wh1zz0> Yeah I did some googling but havent found anything other than adverts about oneric coming out soon and the new look and all
[17:42] <billybigrigger> ?
[17:42] <wh1zz0> So that's why I asked here
[17:42] <billybigrigger> really, my first 2 results where the deja-dup.gnome.com homepage and it's homepage on launchpad
[17:42] <wh1zz0> Thing is which is the most stable version of ubuntu
[17:42] <wh1zz0> ?
[17:43] <wh1zz0> Cuz Im really having serious issues here
[17:43] <billybigrigger> 11.04
[17:43] <wh1zz0> Is it possible for me to downgrade back to 11.04 without re-installing from scratch?
[17:43] <billybigrigger> no
[17:43] <wh1zz0> Hmm.... Whew
[17:44] <billybigrigger> just re-install 11.04
[17:44] <billybigrigger> ...if .10 is too unstable
[17:44] <wh1zz0> Actually, my files are about 150gig
[17:44] <wh1zz0> And that would take very long for it to be backed up on ubuntu one .. even if I decided to buy m0re space
[17:44] <billybigrigger> why put your files in jeopardy over an unstable OS?
[17:45] <wh1zz0> Well.. I felt most of the problems in 11.04 I was experiencing would be answered or solved in 11.10
[17:45] <ali1234> good luck with that
[17:45] <wh1zz0> But apparently not
[17:46] <billybigrigger> wh1zz0, well .10 is still alpha...so you should have just been patient and waited for .10 to be released, after all the bugs were worked out :P
[17:46] <charlie-tca> They might be, by the time it releases. But until we get further along, it is kind of unstable
[17:46] <ali1234> yes, like they were for 11.04 (lol)
[17:47] <ali1234> you would have been better off downgrading to 10.04
[17:47] <billybigrigger> wh1zz0, tip for next time, devote a spare machine, or hard drive partition, to the development releases....so that you never have to worry about 150gb of data....
[17:48] <wh1zz0> Hmm
[17:48] <ali1234> btw, you can install an old release over a newer one without formatting
[17:48] <wh1zz0> I hear 10.04 and 10.10 are more stable than 11.04 is this true?
[17:48] <dsathe> ali1234:
[17:48] <ali1234> yes
[17:48] <dsathe> not recomended
[17:48] <ali1234> not recommended, but it works
[17:49] <ali1234> upgrading to an alpha release is also not recommended, go figure
[17:49] <dsathe> use a dist upgrade
[17:49] <dsathe> may cause conflicts
[17:49] <wh1zz0> Hmm
[18:00] <dsathe> wh1zz0:  not rally
[18:00] <dsathe> reallyu
[18:00] <dsathe> 10.04 is lts indeed
[18:03] <wh1zz0> Isn't it logically more reasonably to go with something that's lts?
[18:03] <wh1zz0> Or what do you think?
[18:03] <wh1zz0> cuz Im now confused
[18:05] <wh1zz0> When will 11.10 be fully out of development stage?
[18:05] <Pici> October
[18:05] <Ian_Corne> !schedule
[18:05] <Pici> The version number is the Year.Month of release.
[18:05] <wh1zz0> Hmm
[18:06] <wh1zz0> Ah, I see
[18:06] <wh1zz0> 11th of Nov
[18:06] <Pici> wh1zz0: What? No.
[18:06] <wh1zz0> 11th of Cot
[18:06] <wh1zz0> 11th of Oct
[18:06] <wh1zz0> Rather
[18:06] <Pici> wh1zz0: 10th month of the year 2011
[18:06] <wh1zz0> Owh
[18:07] <Pici> (20)11.10
[18:07] <wh1zz0> Hmm
[18:07] <wh1zz0> Lol
[18:07] <wh1zz0> Yeh I know
[18:07] <wh1zz0> Thought it meant day and month
[18:07] <wh1zz0> So which oen are you currently using Pici?
[18:08] <wh1zz0> And why?
[18:08] <Pici> wh1zz0: 11.10 on my laptop, 11.04 on my server, and 10.04 on my work machine.
[18:08] <wh1zz0> Hmm
[18:09] <Pici> Because I like to test on my laptop, which I don't care much about reformatting (I have a separate /home) and my server is for personal use, and I don't want to worry about big upgrades on my work machine so it is running LTS.
[18:11] <wh1zz0> Hmm
[18:27] <billybigrigger> anyone here testing the compiz pre-release?
[18:35] <bullgard6> [GNOME 3] Can you recommend a Teatime substitute?
[18:40] <kyubutsu_kde> welcome to ubuntu's proving ground. and whatever you do, DO NOT PANIC
[18:41] <kyubutsu_kde> :o
[18:43] <kyubutsu_kde> i think the topic needs a better tag line
[18:44] <Ian_Corne> http://nos.nl/video/265456-tenten-omgewaaid-op-pukkelpop.html
[18:49] <kyubutsu_kde> BluesKaj: after i ran apt i still had a bunch of packages showing up in Muon, including the new kernel.
[18:51] <kyubutsu_kde> kinda odd if you ask me, since apt should have installed ALL packages. but no errors were found so all is good anyway.
[19:18] <BluesKaj> kyubutsu_kde, there's probly a reasonable explanation why the qt4-dev-tools isn't listed in muon , perhaps it has to do with a dev OS in it's Alpha phase .
[19:18] <BluesKaj> and qt4-dev obviously being dev package
[20:02] <yofel> BluesKaj: muon shows qt4-dev-tools for me
[20:04] <BluesKaj> yofel, it does if it's installed , kyubutsu_kde , claims it wasn't listed
[20:04] <yofel> hm, maybe he mixed muon and the software center
[20:05] <yofel> although his issue sounds odd indeed...
[20:29] <Machtin> can't log into KDE since qdbus isn't there or something. (says the info message in kdm) - known issue?
[20:33] <yofel> known issue, install qt4-dev-tools
[20:35] <Machtin> thanks :) wil ltry
[20:35] <Machtin> *will try
[20:42] <BUGabundo> evening!! :D
[20:42] <BUGabundo> ping me
[20:42] <BUGabundo> ping me all nite
[20:42] <BUGabundo> I HAVE SOUND BACK!!!!!
[20:42] <ali1234> well how did you fix it?
[20:42] <BUGabundo> todays pulse upgrade
[20:43] <BUGabundo> now I need to fix my login session
[20:43] <BUGabundo> and see if I can get back to gnome classic
[20:43] <BUGabundo> tired of lubuntu
[20:43]  * charlie-tca was thinking "BUGabundo knows the right people"
[20:43] <BUGabundo> wanna help ali1234?
[20:43] <BUGabundo> charlie-tca: I tried to nag crisum, but he isn't coming here
[20:43] <ali1234> i dunno about that
[20:43] <ali1234> any time i installed to desktops i ended up with a mess
[20:43] <charlie-tca> What's wrong with your login?
[20:44] <BUGabundo> I can't reach lightdm
[20:44] <BUGabundo> it fails, and fallsback to CLI
[20:44] <charlie-tca> at all?
[20:44] <BUGabundo> I have to use $ startx
[20:44] <charlie-tca> or did you forget to install unity-greeter?
[20:44] <BUGabundo> let me check
[20:44] <BUGabundo> maybe it's a conflit with some old gdm
[20:45] <BUGabundo>   Installed: (none)
[20:45] <BUGabundo> DOH
[20:45] <BUGabundo> font is soooooo small
[20:45] <BUGabundo> I'm going blind like this :(
[20:47] <charlie-tca> You have to have either unity-greeter or lightdm-gtk-greeter installed for it to work
[20:48] <BUGabundo> thanks
[20:51] <Machtin> yofel: thanks, worked :)
[20:51] <Machtin> another issue though: nspluginviewer is a dependency but doesn't seem to be in the repos
[20:52] <micahg> Machtin: it's a new package in oneiric
[20:53] <Machtin> soo.. why is it not there?
[20:55] <micahg> Machtin: are you on amd64?
[20:56] <Machtin> yup
[20:56] <micahg> Machtin: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2011-August/000886.html
[20:57] <Machtin> ah, sweet. Thanks
[21:04] <BUGabundo> gdm purged
[21:04] <BUGabundo> and  lightdm-gtk-greeter installed
[21:30] <BluesKaj> kded4 using a lot of cpu here ...any others having the same issue ?
[21:38] <yofel> not here. Can you try to attach gdb to the process and try to get a backtrace of what it's doing right now?
[21:40] <BluesKaj> yofel, ok , what command do i need to use ?
[21:43] <Machtin> BluesKaj: kdeinit4 uses 100% of one core.
[21:46] <BluesKaj> Machtin, yup ,.that's what I'm seeing ...it switches between cores every so often , sharing the 100% load
[21:46] <BluesKaj> Machtin, any idea why so much ?
[21:48] <BluesKaj> memory is also using 1.1G and all i have open is a browser with 2 tabs and konverstion
[21:49] <BluesKaj> err konversation , the irc client
[21:54] <Machtin> no clue.
[21:55] <Machtin> though i do not feel the load.
[21:55] <Machtin> watching a 1080p-mkv with dts sound at from an encrypted hard disk at least doesn't get me an trouble.
[21:56] <BluesKaj> my PSU fan keeps powering up and down , which normally doesn't do
[21:56] <Machtin> hm, right.. i noticed something like that half an hour ago, too
[21:57] <BluesKaj> Machtin, ok let me try a DD coded mkv ..all I have is 720p ..I'll see what happens with the load
[21:58] <yofel> BluesKaj: sry, telephone. Now...
[22:00] <yofel> BluesKaj: sudo gdb attach $(pidof kded4)
[22:00] <yofel> then run 'backtrace full' after it finished reading the symbols
[22:01] <len> After updating last night, the kded4 process is consuming 40-50% cpu usage at idle.
[22:01] <yofel> len: do the same thing I told BluesKaj
[22:01] <len> I didn't see what you told him.  I just loggin in
[22:01] <yofel> len: the 2 lines I said after you logged in
[22:04] <kyubutsu_kde> system monitor: kded4 50% cpu   <---
[22:04] <kyubutsu_kde> 100% of core two overall
[22:05] <len> OK.  Did it.   What am I supposed to look for?
[22:05] <yofel> good, 3 people with that issue and I can't reproduce it..
[22:05] <yofel> len: can you pastebin the top? (from #0 ...)
[22:06] <kyubutsu_kde> but things are running so smoothly i didnt notice
[22:06] <kyubutsu_kde> :o
[22:07] <len> I haven't been on in a while.  Can you give link to pastebin.  I don't remember
[22:07] <kyubutsu_kde> !pastebin
[22:08] <BluesKaj> yofel, http://paste.ubuntu.com/669588/
[22:08] <len> http://paste.ubuntu.com/669589/
[22:08] <BluesKaj> that's all i could find with debugging symbols
[22:09] <kyubutsu_kde> am guessing it's also independent of what driver is running. gallium/radeon <---
[22:09] <yofel> BluesKaj: that's not the trace... see the paste from len
[22:09] <yofel> which is from... nvidia? @_@
[22:09] <len> Yeah, I'm using the Nvidia driver
[22:10] <yofel> I guess I should reboot, maybe I can reproduce it then
[22:11] <yofel> brb
[22:12] <BluesKaj> yofel, my usage dropped near normal , sfter running the command
[22:12] <yofel> BluesKaj: having gdb attached to kded freezes the process, it'll jump back to 100% once you detach gdb
[22:14] <BluesKaj> yofel , yup 100% on one core again
[22:15]  * yofel wonders why he has nautilus starting at kde login...
[22:15] <yofel> yay, stuck kded here too
[22:15] <yofel> s/yay//
[22:15] <spacebug-> I downloaded the daily-live CD and when I open the dash and search for a program like Terminal, writing "ter" I get Terminal and two others. Now I can't use the arrows on the keaboard to select the search result or start the prorgam I have to use the mouse and click. Known issue? Or something local for me?
[22:18] <simo_> hi all, i'm running a impress presentation on oneiric my desktop became black after a while, i already disabled screen save and other power management stuff,  how can i solve this issue
[22:21] <kyubutsu_kde> spacebug-: try adding one more letter, see what happens
[22:24] <spacebug-> kyubutsu_kde: nopp. Same
[22:25] <spacebug-> seems like after hitting any of the arrow keys I have to hide the dash and bring it back up again to be able to even write in the search area again
[22:25] <kyubutsu_kde> how many more letters till the only option is the terminal?
[22:25] <spacebug-> well it dod not just show it even if I write "terminal"
[22:25] <kyubutsu_kde> :o
[22:26] <spacebug-> writing full name "gnome-terminal" will only show terminal but still I can't launch ut with enter key or select it with arrow keys
[22:26] <kyubutsu_kde> i was going with 'design flaw' but now i think you might be witnessing a bug.
[22:27] <kyubutsu_kde> 0.o
[22:27] <spacebug-> quite a critical one if that is it hehe
[22:28] <len> I have another problem with oneiric, I never had before upgrading.  Every once in a while my machine will just shutdown.  I think it is usually when playing video on a second monitor
[22:29] <len> I wonder if that is an Nvida Twinview issue
[22:30] <spacebug-> nothing in the logs?
[22:30] <BluesKaj> stopped kded4 , all seems to be working and the cpu load is now normal, yofel
[22:32] <len> I'm not sure what would be logged.  I just goes down instantly like someone pulled the plug
[22:32] <BluesKaj> could it be a unrecognized zombie process?
[22:32] <yofel> well, killing kded will help, but kdeinit won't work right for the current session
[22:35] <len> Is final going to us 3.0, or 3.1 kernel?
[22:37] <Trewas> len: 3.0 I think, 3.1 is only rc2 now so it won't be released until quite close to oneiric
[22:45] <len> oneiric:  Of, relating to, or characterizing the clinical state of oneirophrenia
[22:45] <len> oneirophrenia  o·nei·ro·phre·ni·a (ō-nī'rə-frē'nē-ə, -frěn'ē-ə)
[22:45] <len> n.
[22:45] <len>  A mental state that is characterized by hallucinations and other disturbances and is associated with prolonged deprivation of sleep, sensory isolation, or psychoactive drugs.
[22:46] <len> Buckle your seatbelts, we're in for one hell of a ride :)
[22:47] <len> Bet they'd never have picked that name for an LTS release.
[22:53] <len> It's a good lead in to psychodelic porcupine, or maybe Psychotic Porpoise :)
[22:53] <rww> sabdfl made up some etymology involving dreaming or something
[22:56] <len> Dream'n or trip'n maybe.  Sure doesn't connote stability in any case.  :)
[22:58] <len> It's a good tounge twister though.  Try saying Oneiric Ocelot 10 times as fast as you can.  :)
[23:03] <Ian_Corne> Pimpin' Panda!
[23:03] <BUGabundo> nite
[23:04] <Ian_Corne> nite!
[23:05] <len> That would be a rough job considering the Panda's notoriously low sex drive :)
[23:09] <Ian_Corne> well, that'd mean he'd not fool around with his employees
[23:09] <Ian_Corne> so all's good?
[23:10] <len> I'd be hard finding customers though
[23:11] <len> Unless, of course you was working with all kinds of animals, and not just Pandas
[23:11] <Ian_Corne> who's to say what he's pimpin'?
[23:11] <Ian_Corne> it's just a pimpin' panda
[23:13] <len> Typos in my last line make me sound like a pimp :)  "you was working"
[23:14] <len> Is it usually this sleepy in here?
[23:16] <Ian_Corne> :)
[23:17] <Ian_Corne> yeah
[23:17] <len> I suppose it picks up when betas come out.
[23:17] <Ian_Corne> well, my idea is that most people here are gmt+1 or earlier in the timebelt
[23:21] <len> I usually don't do the alpha myself, because they're are almost always huge issues with proprietary video drivers until close to release.
[23:21] <len> there are
[23:24] <Ian_Corne> hmm
[23:24] <Ian_Corne> nvidia is often pretty fast
[23:24] <Ian_Corne> and fglrx is fast this time
[23:24] <Ian_Corne> but often sloooow
[23:24] <len> I wish someone would iron out the issue of not being able to watch flash full screen one monitor when working on the other monitor.  You can set flash to work full screen one monitor, and it works, but as soon as you click on the other screen it un-fullscreens
[23:27] <len> nvidia seems to be running ok for me, but it didn't upgrade smoothly.  It wouldn't startx because it was trying to do something funky trying to use parts of nvidia and parts of the free drivers at the same time.
[23:28] <ali1234> len: flash has almost no concept of multiple monitors at all
[23:29] <ali1234> it's like it was coded in 1998
[23:29] <ali1234> all it can do is "go fullscreen"
[23:29] <len> Does it work right with multiple monitors in Windows?
[23:29] <ali1234> no idea
[23:30] <len> Why does it kick back to non-full screen when you click on the other monitor?
[23:30] <ali1234> i don't know
[23:30] <ali1234> i do know why it always letterboxes videos though
[23:31] <ali1234> and it isn't pretty
[23:31] <ali1234> you can never move the fullscreen window to a different monitor after the plugin has loaded, for example
[23:32] <ali1234> and it doesn't understand the difference between a single monitor and the whole desktop area
[23:32] <len> It's bad news being at the mercy of Adobe for something used so much
[23:32] <ali1234> i'm not at their mercy
[23:32] <ali1234> i fixed their bugs for them: http://al.robotfuzz.com/content/workaround-fullscreen-flash-linux-multiheaded-desktops
[23:33] <ali1234> by patching library calls
[23:33] <ali1234> i could probably fix the fullscreen/focus thing too
[23:33] <ali1234> just by preventing focus switch messages from ever reaching the window
[23:37] <len> Are you Al?
[23:37] <len> your website?
[23:37] <ali1234> yes
[23:38] <BluesKaj>  is there away to look into the kded4 process to see what is using 100% on one core of a 2 core cpu ?
[23:38] <ali1234> you could attach gdb to it and see what it is doing
[23:38] <len> Cool.  I bookmarked the page, and will track your progress
[23:38] <ali1234> would be tricky to see which thread is using the cpu though
[23:39] <ali1234> you'd need some kind of profiler for that
[23:40] <len> I assume it is stuck in some kind of loop
[23:41] <ali1234> yes, i doubt it is doing anything useful
[23:41] <BluesKaj> already did that but was what I posted wasn't the porblem , but it was the only proicess that showed any debugging symbols
[23:41] <len> Is everyone who updated recently having this problem?
[23:41] <BluesKaj> was told
[23:41] <BluesKaj> just we kde users afaik
[23:42] <BluesKaj> /usr/lib/kde4/kded_remotedirnotify.so 0x00007f5c1f314597 in _XSend () from /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libX11.so.6
[23:42] <len> I mean all kubuntu users :)  Non-KDE users wouldn't have much call to be running kded4, I wouldn't think.  :)
[23:43]  * yofel didn't get very far in debugging this
[23:43] <BluesKaj> len, yofel, the above is the process where  gdbstopped
[23:43] <yofel> if I kill kded4 it stays killed since the respawn fails with kded4: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/ntrack/modules/ntrack-libnl3.so: undefined symbol: ntrack_list_insert_sorted
[23:44] <ali1234> check dbus, see if something is spamming it
[23:45] <ali1234> http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=178228
[23:45] <ali1234> it is resolved invalid because this can be caused by several different bugs
[23:46] <BluesKaj> how to check dbus
[23:46] <ali1234> dbus-monitor
[23:46] <ali1234> http://kdepepo.wordpress.com/2011/05/11/troubleshooting-kded4-bugs/
[23:47] <ali1234> seems kded4 has modules and you need to disable them one by one until you find the real cause
[23:48] <IdleOne> kyubutsu_kde, how is dbus acting today?
[23:50] <len> It's just this last build that is giving people problems.  I don't believe the KDE code changed since the last build, did it?
[23:51] <BluesKaj> this is te repeating message in kded-monitor that looks lika loop to me ....'method call sender=:1.94 -> dest=org.kde.knotify serial=285 path=/Notify; interface=org.kde.KNotify; member=event
[23:52] <BluesKaj> repeats every 5 secs or so
[23:53] <len> I also got snagged two days about when qdbus was pulled from libqt4-dbus, and no dep was added to the dev package it was moved to.
[23:53] <ali1234> BluesKaj: 5 seconds is not fast enough to cause 100% cpu
[23:53] <ali1234> BluesKaj: when it scrolls so fast you can't even read it, that is your culprit
[23:57] <BluesKaj> nope ali1234 , then dbus isn't the culprit