[00:00] billybigrigger: look at /var/log/Xorg.0.log or try sudo lshw -C video [00:01] well i was just under the impression that xorg.conf wasn't needed anymore, so i was wondering where the video driver is set [00:01] !x [00:01] The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type « sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart » in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Config/Resolution [00:01] it's set automatically [00:02] so now what's the most stable ati driver to use with 11.10? radeon? [00:03] ati is radeon [00:03] ok so what's the galium driver called? [00:03] cause that's what worked the best for me [00:03] !fglrx [00:03] For Ati/NVidia/Matrox video cards, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VideoDriverHowto | The ATI and nVidia binary drivers may not currently be installable. [00:04] billybigrigger: I think that's radeon. [00:04] !gallium [00:05] gallium is the open source driver [00:06] for either nvidia or ati/radepm [00:06] radeon [00:09] what color(s) is the dash supposed to be? [00:30] Ooh, that worked! [01:43] anyone had any luck getting flash 11 working with firefox? [01:44] billybigrigger: are you using 64 bit Ubuntu? [01:44] yes [01:44] I just use https://launchpad.net/~sevenmachines/+archive/flash and it works for me [01:45] hmm will look into it [01:45] i can't launch firefox right now for some reason? maybe because i'm updating? [01:46] billybigrigger: you could also try firefox -ProfileManager to start with a clean profile [01:48] just needed a few clicks i guess, it fired up now, i was wondering why it wouldn't launch, xorg and update-manager are using at most 40% cpu/mem [01:50] time [01:51] time [01:53] time [01:53] that's not too bad, under 2 mins from restart to back logged into irc :) [02:01] jbicha, nice! flash 11 is smooooooth :) [02:01] thanks for the link [02:13] hey guys, getting error "Could not start D-Bus. Can you call qdbus?" [02:13] upon login [02:13] (it then kicks me out) [02:14] (it then kicks me out)i tried calling qdbus and I am told it is not installed and to install a package... but the package is already installed (and i did a --reinstall) [02:14] install qt4-dev-tools [02:14] wicked [02:14] or wait a few hours and update [02:14] thanks [02:17] hi guys [02:17] sorry for stupid question, is 11.10 in beta? [02:17] try /topic [02:17] alpha even [02:17] guess it's still in production... koooool [02:18] LostyJai, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OneiricReleaseSchedule [02:22] in truth i accidentally went to oneiric (update-manager -d and not paying attention...) [02:22] but i am very happy i did! [02:23] yofel: thank you [02:23] that worked [03:23] no one alive tonight? [03:23] billybigrigger, a few zombies are around [03:24] right arm [03:24] this channel seems dead compared to the last time i hung around here...10.04 i believe [03:35] still alpha stage [03:35] it will pick up [03:40] dr-willis, howdy [03:40] long time no see :) [03:40] moo! [03:41] ha [03:41] feeling ok? :P [03:42] working like a dog. been reading up on gnome shell also. [03:43] dr-willis, what is the best performing ati driver for 11.10? [03:43] and what's all the fuss about gtk3 and lightdm? i don't see any difference between 11.04 [03:44] lightdm looks the same as gdm, and gtk2 to 3 has no noticable differences for me... [03:46] billybigrigger: i font use ati. :) [03:46] ahh i see [03:46] dr-willis, any idea why i have nvidia-common installed on my ati based laptop? [03:47] lightdm has some digferent features ive noticed. mot sll are obvious. [03:47] billybigrigger: because it's installed by default [03:47] rww, seems a bit odd to me, no? [03:47] billybigrigger: not really. Jockey uses it. [03:47] jockey can suck it, won't even install fglrx for me [03:47] [GNOME 3] What is the keyboard command to invoke the Activities > Applications button? [03:49] o saw a gnome3/shell keybotd shortcuts cheet sheet at the gnome3 homepage last week. [03:49] i neef to print it out. when i find it again [04:15] how do I switch from nVidia proprietary drivers to Nouveau 3d through the terminal? [04:16] ...'cause the teminal is all that works right now; I'm running this machine off my flash drive now === sevensixtwo is now known as Seven_Six_Two [04:18] ethana2, i've been trying to find out where i can switch my ati drivers aswell [04:18] I guess I'll try modifying xorg.conf [04:19] ethana2: you could remove nvidia [04:20] jbicha: may as well i guess [04:20] * ethana2 tries that [04:20] ...wait, what command should I use for that? [04:20] sudo apt-get remove nvidia-common ? [04:20] when for ubuntu 11.10? [04:21] chrome_: when will it be released? [04:21] ethana2: yes, I think you also need to remove nvidia-common and nvidia-settings [04:21] chrome_: October 13 [04:21] thanks [04:21] !schedule [04:21] A schedule of Oneiric Ocelot (11.10) release milestones can be found here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OneiricReleaseSchedule [04:21] jbicha: ok, i'll do that now [04:26] who is maintaining the gnome-tweak-tool? [04:29] ok, that still leaves me with no working graphics [04:30] I tried sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and it did nothing [04:30] When I try to start lightdm manually X complains that it's not set up right.. [04:32] *sigh* I do this to myself _every_ release. Download and install alpha 3, screw over the drivers, get frustrated, wait around until the final release [04:33] is there a terminal alternative to jockey-gtk? [04:33] ethana3, hehe [04:33] ethana3: jockey-cli [04:33] jbicha: ooh! [04:33] jockey-text i think [04:33] oops, jockey-text is right [04:33] i'll try 'em both [04:33] jockey-text [04:33] k [04:34] metacity just crashed [04:34] lovely [04:38] billybigrigger, you know how to restart it metacity? [04:38] urlin2u, nope [04:38] ok, jockey-text doesn't show any drivers [04:38] gnome is effed in A3, i think i might try kde again :P [04:38] billybigrigger, in a terminal metacity --replace [04:38] ethana3_, don't worry, it doesn't show me any ati drivers either [04:39] I basically just need a "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" that, like, works [04:39] oh now compiz crashed :) urlin2u [04:40] ethana3_: you don't still have an xorg.conf, do you? [04:40] jbicha: it has almost nothing in it [04:40] you can also try booting with an older kernel [04:41] hmm [04:41] ok, i'm looking at my xorg.conf on my SSD [04:41] but I don't know, troubleshooting these things lost distance is a challenge [04:42] billybigrigger, compiz --replce for that. [04:42] it just has Section "Device" with some meaningless stuff in it [04:42] compiz --replace that is billybigrigger [04:43] by the way, don't upgrade Synaptic if you're on amd64 [04:43] wait for bug 828315 to be fixed [04:43] Launchpad bug 828315 in synaptic (Ubuntu) "/usr/share/polkit-1/actions/com/ubuntu.pkexec.synaptic.policy not in package, synaptic fails to open" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/828315 [04:44] jbicha, I could only get it open with the terminal today all updated 32bit [04:45] urlin2u: it should work on 32 bit now, 32 bit and 64 bit traded places [04:48] jbicha, I will have to look I hardly use it as of now thanks. [04:52] Should I like, reinstall Xorg? I really want to get this taken care of before I go to bed [04:55] ethana3_: you could reinstall nouveau but reinstalling all of xorg wouldn't help [04:56] the command for that is apt-get install --reinstall [04:56] jbicha: does the package name for nouveau go before or after the --reinstall ? [04:57] and will that automatically configure X to actually use the driver? [04:57] you could try looking in your ~/.xsession-errors also [04:57] no, X does its thing automatically [04:57] so, yes? [04:58] well, I'll try reinstalling nouveau now, bbiab like as not [04:58] nvidia tries to force itself to be used instead of nouveau [05:15] I think I'll just reinstall the operating system [05:15] If I would have done that first, I'd be done by now [05:15] thanks for the help and advice though, have a good night [05:37] is anyone running gnome 3 + gnome shell on 11.10? [05:38] !bug [05:38] If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug using the command « ubuntu-bug » - See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs for other ways to report bugs. [05:39] sigh [05:40] was that directed at me? [05:41] no [05:41] you're exempt [05:42] sigh [05:43] giggle === kyubutsu is now known as kyubutsu_kde [05:44] [GNOME 3] How can I install Sticky_Notes_(applet)? [05:46] bullgard4_: install gnome-applets [05:46] kyubutsu_kde, any good news on d-bus? [05:47] Peddy: yes, it works pretty well [05:47] only that some folk are still having it [05:48] i dun wanna reboot this time [05:48] :( [05:48] jbicha, do you mind checking something quickly for me? I've filed a bug report but want to see if it's common [05:48] sure [05:48] does your alt-f2 work? [05:48] e.g., if you enter 'firefox', does it open firefox? [05:48] i should.. maybe i'll catch a crash log this time [05:49] Peddy: known issue, it will get fixed when we get Gnome Shell 3.1.4 but we're waiting on a new version of clutter to get packaged first [05:49] :-/ [05:49] thanks jbicha, is there a bug report? I just filed mine. I'll delete it [05:49] jbicha: I did install gnome-applets. Where can I find Sticky_Notes_(applet) now? [05:50] Peddy: you can't delete bug reports but I already marked it as a duplicate of bug 816762 [05:50] Launchpad bug 816762 in gnome-shell (Ubuntu) "gnome-shell Alt+F2 can’t run anything" [Undecided,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/816762 [05:51] thanks jbicha, I searched and I searched for that! [05:51] Peddy: what I do is go to the page like this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell/ [05:52] and change the sort to "most recently changed" [05:52] so in answer to your previous question, gnome shell works well except for that bug [05:53] you figured out how to use the Adwaita theme, right? [05:53] jbicha, it does! I didn't mean to ask if it's working well [05:53] oh, the imaginary question I answered, lol [05:53] hmm, how do you mean Adwaita? Is it not the default? [05:54] (by the way, does your volume level bar work when you change the volume with media keys?) [05:54] * kyubutsu_kde eyeballs muon [05:54] 0.o [05:55] no, Ambiance is probably default, install gnome-themes-standard and gnome-tweak-tool [05:55] then change Windows>Theme to Adwaita then reload gnome-shell [05:56] I have the tweak tool, but its adwaita looked really buggy (probably because gnome-themes-standard wasn't installed). Installing it now [05:56] It's pretty! :D [05:56] just like you. [05:57] haha [05:57] * kyubutsu_kde facepalm [05:58] is the window border supposed to look like this?: http://i.imgur.com/RnHtw.png [05:59] no [06:00] Peddy: no, reload your gnome shell [06:00] I have :/ [06:00] bring forth the bugs! o.0 [06:00] what should "GTK+ Theme" be? Adwaita as well? [06:01] (it is) [06:01] it's supposed to look a bit more like https://live.gnome.org/GnomeShell/Tour [06:01] thats a few miles away from your target [06:01] maybe try logging out and back in [06:01] hmm, I will disable the buttons [06:01] minimize etc [06:02] nope, logging out now [06:03] No :/ shall I file a bug report? Are there more tests to be done? [06:04] one of us, one of us [06:04] o.o [06:07] well if you figure out why it doesn't work then we can fix it [06:11] where can I start? [06:15] I don't know because it works for me [06:15] can I run gnome shell in some kind of debugging mode? Is there a log file? [06:16] so let's see if we can get it not work for me [06:16] there's looking glass (Alt+F2 lg) but I don't think that will help here [06:17] I'll rename Adwaita to something else (something that's working) in /usr/share/themes [06:17] no, that's not a good idea either [06:18] even for just the sake of testing it? [06:19] hm it is a stupid idea, the folder name doesn't really matter [06:22] hm, other window themes seem to work, it's just adwaita. What package does it live in? (because I had it as an option, even before installing gnome-themes-standard) [06:24] it lives in gnome-themes-standard and I just confirmed it worked for me even on a relatively fresh virtual machine [06:25] I will probably reinstall when 11.10 is released then, my system has become rather cluttered sadly [06:25] you didn't exactly have it as an option, that's just the default choice which is confusing... [06:26] well, Gnome's default, not Ubuntu's default [06:26] hmm. Back in 11.04, I installed gnome 3 + shell from a PPA, if that means anything [06:26] Let me try on a new user account. [06:29] jbicha: I did install gnome-applets. Where can I find Sticky_Notes_(applet) now? [06:31] nope, still happens with a new user [06:32] ooh, if I use metacity, I can use the theme [06:33] metacity: http://i.imgur.com/Yynn6.png [06:36] Oho! Window manager warning: Failed to load theme "Adwaita": Line 119 character 50: Did not understand color component "custom(wm_title_highlight,gtk:base" in color specification [06:37] oh, no that's useful [06:37] *now [06:38] I have to go now, hopefully we can get it fixed a little later :-) [06:38] thanks for your help! [06:53] !botsnack [06:53] Yum! Err, I mean, APT! [06:58] there are only 9 qdbus bugs on launchpad, none about alpha3's crash though [06:59] sigh [06:59] oneiric indeed [07:00] :o [07:05] this bug does not exist. won't fix [07:45] muon +1 [07:47] sure, the software center part is 90% like its unity counterpart, but with cooler colors [07:47] :-p [07:56] having been a gnome2 user for a long time choosing which desktop to use now is a bit of a hassle :/ [08:07] well.. i'd say kde now has a more classic desktop and unity is more a new school approach. i still prefer kde apps though [08:08] i think unity will greatly appeal most to mobile device users [08:09] which was kinda the mission statement anyway [08:09] maybe unity can be made usable for me by removing most egregious design mistakes (global menu and window controls in the wrong side), too bad they are not easily configurable [08:10] I have tried kde, but it is just so different to gnome2, unity is a bit closer since it at least uses gnome in the background (nautilus etc) [08:12] precisely, in the end you go with what you are most comfortable with [08:12] -_- [08:13] but, you sure will have more to complain about with unity than kde at this point [08:13] :-p [08:13] hehe, probably :) [08:18] some hate kde 4.x series.. i, conversely, dont like the 3.x style instead, which is fine by me since 4.7 is out! lucky me [08:19] I love there being choices :) [08:38] jbicha, do you still have scrollback to that error I posted? Do you know which file it refers to? [08:49] could someone please pastebin their /usr/share/themes/Adwaita/metacity-1 file for me? [08:52] aaand I found the bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell/+bug/828543 [08:52] Ubuntu bug 828543 in gnome-shell (Ubuntu) "Adwaita window decoration broken in gnome-shell" [Undecided,Confirmed] [09:27] are the ubuntu light-themes supposed to work in gnome-shell too? window decoration for me is broken just like adwaita (re: bug referenced above) [09:41] hrm, pretty much all the configuration options (changing themes, fonts, most keyboard shortcuts, etc) seems to have gone out with change to gnome3's control-center, or is there some separate application for unity configs now? [09:46] Trewas: afaik it's all missing for now :o/ [09:46] Trewas: it's the same for power saving (dim screen, laptop lid etc) [09:50] hopefully they'll add some GUI for those before release, though I guess they are still tweakable via gconf-editor (or is unity using dconf?) [09:56] Trewas: yeah, things are still usually tweakable via whatever backend is present [09:57] Trewas: although with us being passed feature freeze now, I'm not sure how much more change will be coming in... if you've not already I'd recommend filing a bug (after searching first) [09:57] Trewas: I've filed for the laptop power settings [10:05] Trewas: you can use gnome-tweak-tool for themes, fonts, etc. unity is another matter and never had an UI for many settings [10:05] topyli: g-t-t only changes fonts and the gtk-theme, compiz-decorator (window borders) doesn't seem to be configurable with any GUI now [10:06] oh yes that's yet another pice in the puzzle [10:07] you asked about "themes, fonts, most keyboard shortcuts, etc" though :) [10:10] well, I'd consider window borders quite important part of the theme :) also I didn't find anywhere how to change ctrl-alt-arrow desktop-change keys to my liking (only ctrl-arrow), they used to be in g-c-c [10:16] ah, keyboard shortcuts are in "system settings", with the rest of the keyboard settings [10:17] some of them are, not those [10:17] meh, with the changes in the configuration backends it will be a real hassle to find how to configure anything [10:22] that's where i changed them [10:25] to me it shows only shortcuts for launchers, sound and media, system, universal access and (empty) custom shortcuts [10:27] interesting. mine has a "navigation" section as well [10:27] maybe it's becasue i'm using gnome-shell, not unity [10:27] probably [10:27] oh and it probably is actually [10:28] so i suppose you now get to fire up gconf-editor and do your compiz stuff there [10:30] it surely will not cause any whining in forums etc if the final version will be just as unconfigurable :) [10:32] the total amount of whining is a constant, even though the issues picked by whiners change each year [10:34] ok, the keys are under /apps/metacity/global_keybindings, also /a/m/general/focus_mode to "sloppy" for sloppy focus [10:35] at least they now finally agree that gnome 2 is the greatest and most perfect desktop ever [10:54] is there anywhere in this new oneiric that a person can see all of the applications laid out together? [10:58] at the moment, if you click on 'dash', you get a panel with a handful of apps, but if you click on anything other than the bottom four, for example 'media apps', 'internet apps' and 'more apps' all you get is a search line, and nothing to see. How can a person search for what they don't know is there? I can't remember the names of things, but I recognise what the picture of an app looks like. [11:05] Hiyas all [11:09] I'm still at the TTY trying figure out what to do about the D-Bus failure ...any fixes in the mix since yestarday afternoon ? [11:13] guess it's just too early ..nobody around [11:14] I still can't get my screen to stay on forever [11:18] Rods_Tiger: do you mean that you want a no sleep or no dim setting ? [11:19] Rods_Tiger: set up your screensaver to stay on indefinitely [11:20] 'mornin' dr-willis [11:21] yep. got off work..time for bed. ;) [11:21] ahh , the night shift ...don't miss those [11:22] BluesKaj: install qt4-dev-tools [11:22] or wait a few hours more I guess [11:25] the screensaver can't stay on indefinitely [11:25] ok yofel , will do , thx [11:26] yofel: installing [11:28] anything else that might be relavent , yofel ? [11:29] not really, that should be all [11:30] there's no option for 'indefinitely' or similar [11:30] Rods_Tiger: just try 24hrs [11:30] how? [11:31] by what means can I make it that? [11:31] in the screensaver timer [11:31] how? [11:31] there's no means to do that [11:31] bbl [11:31] I want it on all the time, not turning off every time I'm not looking [11:32] someone who runs gnome must know ..KDE here so my memoey fails about gnome [11:32] when you say 24hrs, how do I do that? [11:32] this is using the current Oneiric just installed a few days ago [11:33] anyway BBL, gotta try to get X and D-Bus or qbus working [11:33] it keeps turning the monitor off every time I look around I see a blank screen instead of what I am expecting to be displayed [11:36] I can't see any way of setting 24hrs or similar. Even 24hrs isn't good enough - I want it on all the time [11:36] hey folks [11:37] In fact, I don't require the screensaver to be functioning at all [11:37] is there a way of making it not active? [11:37] Rods_Tiger, it may be your only option [11:37] then it's not an option, if it's the only one [11:37] that's what's got to happen [11:38] hey yofel , fixed! ..thanks for your attention on this :) [11:38] there needs to be a way of switching the screensaver activity off altogether [11:40] But I can't see any way of setting 24hrs or similar. [11:40] although that would still require someone walking over and waking it up each day [11:42] the screensaver is highly counterproductive, and needs to be able to be defeated permanently, easily [11:43] The very few people still running a CRT monitor can set the screensaver to 'active' by themselves, I'm sure. Everyone else doesn't require a screensaver any more than they require a floppy disk formatter utility right up front where everyone can use it. [11:44] Gah, I just looked around and it's turned the display off again! Unbelievable. Back in a few minutes while I go over there and kick the bloody thing. [11:46] fatality! Rods_Tiger wins! [11:46] I'm back, that machine is going to go through the window if it keeps making me angry like this [11:46] * kyubutsu looks for qt4 patch down the muon list [11:47] :D [11:51] on another topic, I've installed oneiric to another drive on another machine, but since it updated after install it no longer goes into gnome or x or anything like that. It stops on the black screen after it says "Checking battery state... [OK]" and goes no further [11:51] I wonder what might have happened. I can go into it from a tty with startx, so X itself is ok. [11:52] dbus [11:52] aha [11:52] anything I need to do? === kyubutsu is now known as kyubutsu_kde [11:54] you're the first i have seen having a dbus issue on gnomunity [11:55] the system is running from a usb drive [11:55] plot thickens [11:56] install, it works fine. Let it update the four million or so updates, reboot, then it stops being graphic. [11:56] looks like you're going to have to wait for a fix like some of us have [11:56] ok [12:01] sigh, i don't see any qt4-dev-tools in muon [12:02] * kyubutsu_kde stares at libqt4-dbus [12:02] qt4-dev-tools [12:03] you saw it in muon or you just apt-get that [12:03] ? [12:03] yofel told me to install it , it fixed my D-Bus fail problem..no X noscreens were available just the TTY [12:04] via terminal or package manager? [12:05] 'cause, am looking at muon and there is no such qt4-dev-tools in there [12:05] so I was able to use one tty for irssi nad another to install , in case I needed more help [12:06] I had no X , installed from the tty prompt with apt, ky-get [12:06] <.< [12:06] oops kyubutsu_kde [12:06] i guess i understand you [12:06] o.o [12:07] also i'm using nomodeset in grub , but that's due my use of the nvidia-current driver [12:08] still dont see it in muon though [12:08] -_- [12:08] just use the terminal [12:09] i mean, its in the repos, right? it should be showing up in muon, i wanna do this by the book [12:09] muon doesn't do anytrhing special or different than apt in the terminal...apt is more by the book than usin muon [12:10] they both link to dpkg [12:11] fine, maybe the point am making is muon is buggy? maybe. i'll update via terminal see what borkeness i get [12:13] kyubutsu_kde, you're misinformed if you think muon is "proper method or means" to install packages .Where did yo get such a notion ? [12:14] the "package manager" tag it has [12:14] package manager is just gui front end for apt [12:14] !apt [12:14] APT is the Advanced Package Tool, which together with dpkg forms the basic Ubuntu package management toolkit. Short apt-get manual: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AptGetHowto - Also see !Synaptic (Gnome), !Adept (KDE) or !KPackageKit (KDE) [12:14] sigh [12:16] i know all that, am moving along with the new stuff , bro [12:18] o.0 [12:19] !muon [12:19] Muon is the current Kubuntu package manager. Please see http://jontheechidna.wordpress.com/2010/07/05/introducing-qapt-and-the-muon-package-manager/ for an overview [12:19] muon is installed with Kubuntu BluesKaj [12:20] he IS on kubuntu [12:20] he does talk like he's on gnome or sumthing, doesnt he [12:21] kyubutsu_kde,my point is apt and the terminal aren't outdated or old stuff , they work like they always have and better ...because muon is the default package manager doesn't make better because it's new . [12:21] kyubutsu_kde: Not every package is installable via the software center either, like -dev packages. Likely the same 'issue' occurs with muon. [12:22] BluesKaj: That wasn't the point of the question. [12:22] Pici, what question ? [12:23] BluesKaj: regarding installing qt4-dev-tools [12:24] I don't appreciate being referred to in the 3rd person kyubutsu_kde ...speak to me directly using my nick if you don't mind. [12:24] Pici: i also know the difference between 'software center' and package manager, yknow [12:24] Pici, I answered it ., "use the terminal " [12:24] Okay, nevermind me. [12:25] * Pici wanders off [13:01] it lives! 0.o muahah [13:01] workd [13:04] policykit1-kde and jockey still crashed before reboot but system seems stable [13:04] :D [13:05] and i did use muon to complete the update anyway [13:05] -_- [13:08] kyubutsu_kde, was qt4-dev-tools listed in muon? [13:31] BBL [14:34] Is....uh... [14:34] Empathy's theme by default broken on purpose? [14:34] er, I mean, is this a new theme on purpose? [14:34] In the works, I suppose. [14:46] hm, anyone an idea how to tell nautilus to NOT start in my kde session? [14:46]