[03:41] <prpplague> cooloney: hey buddy!
[03:41] <cooloney> prpplague: hey, man
[03:41] <prpplague> cooloney: what's cooking today?
[03:42] <cooloney> prpplague: heh, acutally i don't have much rice today
[03:42] <prpplague> cooloney: hehe
[03:43] <prpplague> cooloney: guess you'll have to use beer instead
[03:43] <cooloney> prpplague: good idea. need buy beer then.
[03:43] <cooloney> prpplague: will you goto plumbers conf?
[03:43] <prpplague> hehe
[03:44] <prpplague> cooloney: sorry no, too many things to work on
[03:44] <cooloney> prpplague: ic
[03:44] <cooloney> prpplague: i think you will go to Prague for ELC-E
[03:44] <prpplague> cooloney: OH?
[03:44] <prpplague> cooloney: you'll be able to make it
[03:44] <prpplague> ?
[03:45] <cooloney> prpplague: oh, i won't, i will go to Orlando for our UDS
[03:45] <prpplague> cooloney: yea i figured as much
[03:46] <prpplague> cooloney: we'll have to meet up in the spring
[03:46] <cooloney> prpplague: right, might be during ELC in SFO.
[03:47] <prpplague> cooloney: sounds like a plan
[03:47] <prpplague> hehe
[07:47] <ogra_> steev, thats on purpose, ubuntu-core is the bare minimum to *run* a machine, it isnt configured at all, thats up to you (and it is expected that you know what you are doing)
[07:49] <ogra_> grr, mono killed all builds
[07:49] <ogra_> s/builds/image builds/
[12:25] <mahmoh> ok, so I was able to install to SD/MMC on the panda where I was seeing usb-stick problems during install yesterday (new build too though)
[12:25] <mahmoh> cmagina: ogra_ ^
[12:26] <cmagina> mahmoh: good to hear
[12:26] <ogra_> yes, d-i was fixed
[12:26] <mahmoh> I'm going to try again to the usb-stick just to ensure it's not a build change that fixed it, if it's still broke is it worth entering a bug against a particular usb-stick  install ?
[12:26] <ogra_> (see oneiric-changes ;) )
[12:26] <mahmoh> ogra_: so the problem may not have been the stick after all?
[12:27] <ogra_> well, d-i was using an old kernel
[12:27] <ogra_> thats also the reason why you get questions about the kernel package usually
[12:27] <mahmoh> it was failing at kernel install time but installing an old kernel shouldn't fail, no?
[12:28] <ogra_> heh, depends on the bugs in that kernel ;)
[12:29] <mahmoh> here's another one for you, the net install prompts for a host mirror and pre-populates with "mirror" vs. ports.ubuntu.com, that's a bug too right?
[12:30] <mahmoh> ogra_: ^?
[12:30] <ogra_> yes
[12:30] <ogra_> sounds like a preseed file issue
[12:30] <mahmoh> if so, which package should that bug get assigned to?
[12:30] <mahmoh> yeah
[12:34] <mahmoh> ogra_: ^^
[12:34] <ogra_> just go for debian-installer (and check if there arent bugs already, might not be arch specific)
[12:46] <mahmoh> ok, so is there nayone to ping about this or just wait?   bug 828718
[12:46] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 828718 in debian-installer "arm net install prepopulates archive with - mirror - vs. - ports.ubuntu.com" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/828718
[12:49] <mahmoh> ogra_: ^ ;)
[13:07] <rsalveti> janimo: seems the pvr crash is somehow related with the new xorg =\
[13:08] <rsalveti> first impression is that the fbdev is being loaded 2 times, and at the second time it gets loaded it crashes with a corrupted double-linked list
[13:08] <rsalveti> investigating
[13:08] <rsalveti> even with the linaro kernel I'm getting it, so it's not related with the kernel
[13:19] <janimo> rsalveti, ok, for me it worked with a Xorg of last week, so maybe it will not be too hard to find the issue
[13:19] <rsalveti> janimo: oh, good to know
[13:19] <rsalveti> maybe I broke something :P
[13:20] <janimo> rsalveti, it seems to me that setting setenv bootdelay in boot.scr on panda has no effect, as the default delay of 3 is used before actually starting the boot sequence?
[13:21] <janimo> so reading boot.scr happens after the countdown
[13:22] <rsalveti> janimo: yeah, guess this is happening before boot.scr
[13:22] <rsalveti> so something to change at the source code
[13:22] <janimo> ok.
[13:22] <rsalveti> at the board specific header I guess
[13:22] <janimo> or have it read boot.scr but not run anything from it, just load env values
[13:23] <janimo> otherwise I am not sure how the autoboot was supposed to work if not settable from a non-default script
[13:37] <rsalveti> janimo: yeah, makes sense
[13:40] <rsalveti> janimo: seems u-boot in general is only setting autoboot at compile time, for all boards
[13:41] <rsalveti> but what you want kind of make sense
[13:41] <rsalveti> would work more like what we have at grub
[13:41] <rsalveti> that the user can set up how many seconds before autoboot
[13:42] <rsalveti> maybe something to improve at u-boot later on
[13:42] <rsalveti> jcrigby should know it better, maybe this was discussed already
[13:42] <rsalveti> guess jcrigby should be up in a few minutes ;-)
[13:45] <jcrigby> janimo, rsalveti: I have noticed too that doing stuff in the boot script (either boot.scr or uEnv.txt) is not optimal since it happens "late".
[13:46] <jcrigby> fwiw a patch hit the u-boot list this week that sets default boot delay to 3 seconds instead of 10
[13:46] <rsalveti> janimo: ok, the segfault I'm getting is only happening with using the latest libs package as I removed the 99-pvr.conf file
[13:46] <rsalveti> janimo: by trying to make xorg to find about the hw and driver without the need of a config file
[13:46] <rsalveti> seems it works fine for natty, but for oneiric it doesn't
[13:47] <rsalveti> will check that later, but if you enable that ppa it'll probably work fine, if you use the xorg config file for pvr
[13:47] <rsalveti> just tested and it worked with the lt kernel, let me reboot at the ubuntu one now
[13:47] <rsalveti> jcrigby: great, that helps already :-)
[13:48] <rsalveti> jcrigby: seems that trying to load the boot.scr to at least set up the env vars would be useful in some way
[13:48] <rsalveti> but don't know if it'd break some other stuff :-)
[13:55] <janimo> rsalveti, ah indeed, I still needed pvr.conf , the linaro ppa libs (the newer ones) did not work without it
[13:58] <rsalveti> janimo: yup, seems to work with the ubuntu kernel
[13:58] <rsalveti> with the fixes I pointed at the email
[13:59] <rsalveti> janimo: so, if you want to test it now, just grab the lt-ti kernel and the dkms and the libs packages available at the overlay
[13:59] <janimo> rsalveti, great hopefully ppisati will upload them in the next round
[13:59] <rsalveti> all available for oneiric
[13:59] <rsalveti> the dkms should be in shape to push to ubuntu already
[13:59] <janimo> rsalveti, I already have it running with the lt kernel, but needed the ubuntu one for easier install, and to also be able to run perf
[13:59] <rsalveti> but the lib package still needs some love
[14:00] <rsalveti> janimo: oh yeah, true
[14:00] <rsalveti> can give you the packages later if you need
[14:00] <rsalveti> meeting time
[14:00] <janimo> ok
[17:54] <austeregrim-gh> i'm surprised there isn't more action for ubuntu on arm devices
[17:54] <infinity> There's a fair bit.
[17:54] <austeregrim-gh> I'm interested
[17:55] <austeregrim-gh> I've got a toshiba thrive, I've got some interest in trying to put ubuntu on it...
[17:55] <austeregrim-gh> but the ubuntu pages lack alot of basic info... for arm.
[17:56] <infinity> Well, every new device requires some hacking and fiddling to make go.
[17:56] <infinity> And we don't tend to focus much on tablets, except for hobby hacking, since Ubuntu isn't (yet) a particularly useful tablet OS.
[17:56] <austeregrim-gh> we've got an unlocked boot loader, and have rooted the android os on it... just looking to go one step further
[17:57] <austeregrim-gh> i agree ubuntu isn't ready for tablets yet... but there's a usb port on it, that I can pop a keyboard into
[17:59] <austeregrim-gh> im sure as tablets increase in userbase, ubuntu will eventually follow into ... but I'll admit, I'm new to it... but I understand alot. :-P
[18:01] <infinity> If it's based on the nvidia tegra (I'm guessing it might be, but I can't find proper tech specs), the work we've done for the Toshiba ac100 netbooks might directly translate over.
[18:01] <austeregrim-gh> tegra2
[18:02] <infinity> Yeah, the ac100 is tegra2 as well.
[18:02] <infinity> And likely very similar under the hood, though I'd make no promises.
[18:02] <austeregrim-gh> thats what I was thinking.. but the ac100's page (via ubuntu's wiki) is old and hasn't been updated in a while
[18:02] <infinity> We'll refresh some of those docs once our ac100 images are shipping (which is soon).
[18:03] <infinity> If we can turn the ac100 stuff into a more generic toshiba-tegra image or something, that would be shiny.  But I've never actually even touched a Thrive, so...
[18:04] <austeregrim-gh> would there be a posibility of getting a test image?
[18:05] <infinity> That would require our tests images to be useful.  Give it a day or two, though, ogra's hard at work on that.
[18:05] <austeregrim-gh> no worries, it was more of a put my toes in the water to see what fish bite..
[18:08] <austeregrim-gh> also if theres anything that I can get from the thrive to assist, information wise. I can probably get it.. whatever linux reports from android.
[18:08] <austeregrim-gh> for general comparison, about hardware
[18:09] <infinity> Currently, I think we have too much on our plate right now, unless a community member steps up (you?) to learn how it all works and make it go. :P
[18:10] <infinity> But I'm perfectly willing to change my position on that when I'm less busy. ;)
[18:10] <infinity> I wouldn't be at all shocked to discover that the thrive is just the ac100 without a keyboard, though.  The ac100 always felt more like a proof-of-concept product than a finished deal.
[18:11] <austeregrim-gh> I've been on the forefront of rooting the thrive in android, working with the tabletroms.com folks...
[18:11] <austeregrim-gh> so I would see me taking to ubuntu (or linux in general) as my next plausible step
[18:13] <infinity> *nod*
[18:13] <infinity> Well, I'd recommend talking to ogra about his ac100 stuff as a start.
[18:13] <infinity> But, like I said, giving him a few days to deliver it might help. ;)
[18:13] <austeregrim-gh> understood
[18:16] <austeregrim-gh> btw, Thrive model = AT105 (does not surprise me if your theory is at all correct)