[00:03] <akgraner> haha he would tag with #akgraner
[00:04] <akgraner> yeah - if I used that tag #whymommydrinks and tweeted all the reason - people would think I was drunk all the time
[00:04] <akgraner> damn teenagers!
[00:08] <doctormo> No jono today?
[00:08] <doctormo> Does anyone know of any launchpad/bug lense/source?
[00:30] <mhall119> akgraner: heck with the way your life goes, you should be drinking all the time
[00:30]  * mhall119 just fixed a washing machine \o/
[00:30]  * mhall119 feels handy
[01:10] <akgraner> :-)
[01:30] <mhall119> now to pour a some alcoholic beverage and sack out on the couch with a good e-book
[03:12] <doctormo-lab> popey: Listening to OggCamp podcast, you had help from andrew ion the mixing deck?
[06:34] <dpm> good morning all
[06:37] <nigelb> o/
[06:41] <dpm> hey nigelb :)
[06:42] <nigelb> Morning dpm. So close to Friday! :)
[07:00] <dholbach> good morning
[07:02] <nigelb> Mornign dholbach
[07:02] <dholbach> hey nigelb
[07:08] <dpm> morning dholbach!
[07:09] <dholbach> hey dpm
[07:57] <kim0> Morning folks
[07:58] <nigelb> heya kim0
[08:00] <kim0> nigelb: hey :)
[08:00] <nigelb> kim0: I have a trick question for you :P
[08:00] <kim0> shoot hehe
[08:00] <nigelb> Amazon vs Rackspace, which seems to have better performance?
[08:01] <nigelb> *tricky
[08:01] <kim0> they say rackspace
[08:01] <nigelb> ok, so its not just my feeling.
[08:01] <kim0> potentially they have newer cpus
[08:01]  * kim0 sends some priv msgs
[08:01] <nigelb> my attraction was support.
[08:33] <czajkowski> Aloha
[08:47] <huats> hello czajkowski
[08:47] <huats> kim0, around ?
[08:47] <czajkowski> Salut :)
[08:47] <huats> czajkowski, I am not sure I'll talk to you till the game :P
[08:47] <huats> (kidding of course)
[08:50] <czajkowski> oi :p
[08:55] <kim0> huats: yeah
[08:55] <huats> kim0, so I have talked with Guillaume (my coworker)
[08:56] <huats> he agrees :)
[08:56] <kim0> huats: woohoo :)
[08:56] <huats> I'll do the pad really soon
[08:56] <huats> I'll let you know
[08:56] <huats> I just want to finish something first
[08:56] <kim0> huats: cool, yeah please let me. We have other volunteers too, so we'll need that for sure
[08:57] <kim0> huats: sure tyt, thanks
[08:57] <huats> yeah I have seen that
[08:57] <huats> you'll have it today for sure
[08:57] <kim0> thanks man
[09:31] <huats> kim0, where do I create the pad ?
[09:31] <kim0> huats: pad.ubuntu.com
[09:31] <huats> pad.ubuntu.com ok
[09:31] <kim0> huats: pad.ubuntu.com/serverguide
[09:40] <huats> I am on it
[09:41] <huats> what would you think of doing a finer split that chapter
[09:42] <huats> I would be in favor of splitting in sub chapters : they are numbered already, it is smaller to review so it can be more attractive to people and if someone if not doing is job it will be faster to review :)
[09:42] <huats> kim0, what do you think ?
[09:43] <kim0> huats: hmm the thing is, every chapter is a single xml file
[09:43] <huats> but it shouldn't be a problem I think...
[09:43] <kim0> huats: sections get split out into subchapters in html
[09:43] <huats> if people don't touch the other part...
[09:43] <kim0> think it wouldn't be confusing
[09:43] <huats> bzr will be able to merge
[09:45] <kim0> huats: I think it still makes sense for one person to review whole chapter (helps with consistency...etc) .. but if you want to write subchapters, we could still. I'll just encourage people to sign up for full chapters
[09:45] <huats> sure
[09:45] <kim0> cool
[09:45] <huats> I agree the consistancy is important
[09:45] <huats> but I have in the past already reviewed stuffs
[09:46] <huats> and we had the case where someone said :I'll do that chapter and did nothing at the end... and we had a whole chapter to review... it would have been better if it was just sections :)
[09:47] <kim0> huats: well ok, we'll do it that way then
[09:47] <huats> let's say that writting down the section prevent people to take a full chapter :)
[09:48] <kim0> unless they really can handle it :)
[09:48] <huats> kim0, arrg I forgot a word
[09:48] <huats> I meant : let's say that writting down the section won't prevent people to take a full chapter :)
[09:48] <kim0> yes, now it makes sense :)
[09:48] <kim0> hehe... ok sure .. go ahead
[09:49] <huats> I'll wrte an introduction to the pad saying that
[09:49] <kim0> huats: can we have it, so that besides every chapter, there is a name and a status (todo, inprogress, done ) .. like a table
[09:51] <kim0> huats: think that looks ok? or should we switch to a google spreadsheet ?
[09:52] <huats> kim0, I may idea : we have 3 parts in the pad : the first (Chapters to review) is the todo, the second (chapters that are a currently reviewed) is the inprogress. And when someone starts working on something it cuts  it from the first part to the second and putting is name in ( ) next to it
[09:52] <huats> kim0, like this
[09:52] <huats> what do you think ?
[09:53] <kim0> huats: yeah I noticed. But with people doing subchapters out-of-order .. it may look a little messy
[09:53] <kim0> I think the question is, do we want to group by status, or by chapter order
[09:54] <huats> both :)
[09:54] <huats> chapter order in each status :)
[09:54] <huats> (well that is how I envisage stuffs but you can disagree of course)
[09:54] <kim0> huats: imagine when 5.3 is done, but 5.1 and 5.2 is not
[09:55] <kim0> huats: we'd have a flying sub-bullet ?
[09:55] <huats> I don't see that as in issue
[09:55] <kim0> there'd be no way to know it's 5.3 even ?
[09:55] <huats> let me try to show you :)
[09:55]  * kim0 looks
[09:55] <huats> I'll fill the chapter 5
[09:55] <huats> :)
[09:57] <huats> kim0, well chapter 6 (the chapter 5 is too short)
[09:58] <kim0> huats: that way, ch. 6 itself will be repeated ?
[09:58] <huats> yep
[09:58] <kim0> in all sections .. wouldn't be clear if it's done or todo ?
[09:58] <huats> it could
[09:58] <huats> let me ask my colleague if you want to have some more opinions :)
[09:58] <kim0> yeah
[09:58] <kim0>  :)
[10:05] <huats> kim0, so he choose your way :)
[10:05] <kim0> huats: hehe ok cool :)
[10:05] <huats> but ;)
[10:05] <kim0> indeed I think it would be clearer
[10:06] <huats> he thinks that this way is harder to find out what needs to be done
[10:06] <kim0> CTRL+F TODO
[10:06] <kim0> they all light up :)
[10:06] <huats> that is an idea :)
[10:07] <kim0> ok guess we have a plan now
[10:07] <huats> :)
[10:07] <huats> great !
[10:09] <kim0> huats: you know .. let's add all sub-chapters, then you could switch color to red, and paste TODOs .. that'd be extra clear
[10:10] <huats> I am adding them !
[10:10] <kim0> ok cool nvm :)
[10:11] <huats> indeed that would be great !
[10:23] <huats> kim0, I think were are good :)
[10:23] <huats> I mean we are ready to go :)
[10:23] <huats> (it was a bad french translation)
[10:25] <kim0> huats: we're good works too :)
[10:25] <kim0> good to go
[10:26] <kim0> huats: Do the instructions look good to you
[10:27] <kim0> huats: think I should convert the #words .. to normal comments on their own lines
[10:27] <huats> kim0, yeah probably
[10:28] <kim0> nice .. starting to look good
[10:28] <huats> The instructions are good Ithink
[10:31] <huats> kim0, may be you can add in the "cycle" the validate and if it succeeds to commit
[10:31] <huats> (instead of having one single commit/ validation)
[10:32] <huats> in my opinion multiple commits and just one push
[10:32] <kim0> cool
[10:34] <kim0> huats: I'm gonna reply to the serverlist with a link to that page .. thanks man
[10:34] <huats> kim0, my pleasure !
[10:34] <kim0> huats: you have the privlege of picking up with preferred chapters now .. so pick or be picked :)
[10:34] <kim0> s/with/your/ oO
[10:35] <huats> :)
[10:35] <kim0> huats: let you friend pick too :)
[10:35] <huats> I am saying it right now :)
[10:35] <kim0> and let him know millions of ubuntu users are thanking him too :)
[10:36] <huats> :)
[10:36] <kim0> oh chrome12 .. he should upgrade :
[10:36] <kim0> :)
[10:38] <huats> kim0, I am telling him
[10:42] <huats> kim0, we have started our market :)
[11:27] <nigelb> dholbach: did you get a chance to poke at that harvest code review?
[11:27] <dholbach> no, I'm patch piloting right now :)
[11:27] <dholbach> did mhall119 say anything about it?
[11:27] <dholbach> it looked good to me, but I had no chance to test it some more yet
[11:29] <nigelb> he didn't
[11:29] <nigelb> I wonder if james has time to do a review
[11:30] <nigelb> james_w: Could take a look at https://code.launchpad.net/~nigelbabu/harvest/cache-add/+merge/71904 for that harvest bug?
[11:37] <james_w> nigelb, I'm not well placed to review that, as I'm not familiar with the caching stuff
[11:38] <nigelb> james_w: heh, neither am I :( Any clues who would bthe right person to ask?
[11:38] <nigelb> someone on ISD perhaps?
[11:38] <james_w> I don't know
[11:39] <nigelb> ok, I'll poke mhall119 again for help :)
[12:49] <mhall119> nigelb: dholbach: what did you guys need me for?
[12:50] <dholbach> a review of https://code.launchpad.net/~nigelbabu/harvest/cache-add/+merge/71904
[12:50] <dholbach> and get your opinion on fixing the weirdness
[12:50] <nigelb> mhall119: originally for a code review, I anthony is looking too.
[12:50] <nigelb> s/I//
[12:50] <nigelb> mhall119: in -isd
[12:50] <mhall119> nigelb: ok
[12:55] <nigelb> dholbach: anthony said, the missing index theory makes sense
[12:55] <nigelb> I don't know anything about postgres
[12:55] <nigelb> so, I'm sort of usless at this point.
[12:56] <dholbach> I have no idea about this either, but isn't this something that django takes care of itself?
[12:56] <nigelb> ideally, yeah.
[12:57] <mhall119> nigelb: commented on it
[12:57] <nigelb> mhall119: that was dholbach's change ;)
[12:57] <AlanBell> who maintains developer.ubuntu.com now?
[12:58] <dholbach> AlanBell, dpm among others
[12:58] <nigelb> AlanBell: dpm I think
[12:59] <mhall119> nigelb: did you test it? was there a noticable speed improvement?
[12:59] <AlanBell> ok. o/ dpm there are problems with developer.ubuntu.com. The feedback page tells people to bug jono direct, the irc channel is shut down but linked and the packaging tutorial doesn't work
[13:00] <nigelb> mhall119: very noticeable, yes.
[13:00] <mhall119> ok
[13:00] <nigelb> but that was cache
[13:00] <mhall119> it looks good to me then
[13:02] <nigelb> dholbach: do you want to drop by in #canonical-isd?
[13:02] <nigelb> I think you might be able to answer questions better than me
[13:02] <dholbach> nigelb, I can, but I'm quite busy with other stuff right now
[13:16] <dpm> AlanBell, I'm working on d.u.c now, so you can bug me (let me change that page to reflect that). On what page did you see the packaging tutorial?
[13:18] <dpm> (checking on the IRC channel too)
[13:36] <AlanBell> http://developer.ubuntu.com/packaging/html/packaging-from-scratch.html
[13:36] <AlanBell> mfraz74 was trying to follow it and failing
[13:36] <AlanBell> running on kubuntu
[13:36] <nigelb> AlanBell: shadeslayer is fix0ring
[13:41] <duanedesign> dholbach: Einlocken could be Log In?
[14:03] <dholbach> duanedesign, Einloggen?
[14:03] <dholbach> yes
[14:04] <dholbach> duanedesign, I'll rush out real quick to take the dog for a walk - dpm speaks German too
[14:07] <duanedesign> aha, thank you
[15:00] <akgraner> AlanBell, thank you for following up on this
[16:11] <dholbach> alright my friends - I call it a day - see you all tomorrow!