[01:02] <staatsfeindin> what is this channel about?
[15:00] <ogra_> moop
[15:00] <NCommander> #startmeeting
[15:00] <meetingology> Meeting started Thu Aug 18 15:00:34 2011 UTC.  The chair is NCommander. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlanBell/mootbot.
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[15:01] <NCommander> #link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/Meeting/2011/20110818
[15:01] <NCommander> hrm, new boot, and it seems to be lagging :-(
[15:01] <NCommander> #topic Standing Items
[15:01] <meetingology> TOPIC: Standing Items
[15:02] <davidm> G'day all
[15:02] <NCommander> #link http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/oneiric/ubuntu-armel.html
[15:02] <NCommander> #link http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/oneiric/ubuntu-armel-ubuntu-11.10-beta-1.html
[15:02] <ogra_> you can use ubuntu-arm now
[15:02] <ogra_> (i fixed that last week)
[15:02] <NCommander> I can't decide if my laptop is completely foobared, or if its theinternet here :-(
[15:02]  * NCommander is lagging something feirce
[15:03] <NCommander> regardless the burndown chart doesn't look happy
[15:03] <ogra_> http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/oneiric/ubuntu-arm.html
[15:03] <ogra_> http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/oneiric/ubuntu-arm-ubuntu-11.10-beta-1.html
[15:03] <NCommander> thank you ogra_
[15:03] <ogra_> the beta one looks fine
[15:03] <ogra_> we're a little above trend but not earth shattering
[15:03] <NCommander> ugh, yeah, I'm lagging something hidiously bad
[15:04] <NCommander> so I'll take your word for it (the image won't even load properly on thenew link for me)
[15:04] <ogra_> heh
[15:04] <ogra_> move :)
[15:04] <NCommander> (the trendline for ubuntu-arm shows '12' as the start point so .... yeah)
[15:04] <ogra_> yeah, ignore th etrend lines
[15:04] <NCommander> #topic ARM Server Status (NCommander, Daviey)
[15:04] <meetingology> TOPIC: ARM Server Status (NCommander, Daviey)
[15:05] <NCommander> LXC on ARM should work out of the box once a new meta package to ship 2101 out of the box goes
[15:05] <ogra_> i dont even know if there is a way to adjust it on other than the ubuntu-arm.html page
[15:05] <NCommander> *1201
[15:05] <NCommander> I'm now looking at openstack on ARM
[15:05] <NCommander> and have some concerns since it seems to want an EC2-style image which we don't build for OMAP. Further research required
[15:05] <ogra_> NCommander, is there anything i should change regarding the ac100 kernel ? (the server team uses dynabooks)
[15:05] <NCommander> [action] NCommander to review openstack image requirements and report back
[15:05] <meetingology> ACTION: NCommander to review openstack image requirements and report back
[15:06] <NCommander> oh good, the old alias work
[15:06] <ogra_> wrt LXC i mean
[15:06] <NCommander> ogra_: run lxc-checkconfig. Ignore the namespace error, and make sure you can mount a cgroup with -o clone_children
[15:06] <ogra_> k, thx
[15:06] <NCommander> Ideally, just kick off a LXC instance
[15:06] <ogra_> will test that
[15:06] <NCommander> lxc-create does most of the hard work, poke me on IRC
[15:07] <NCommander> My ac100 is currently dead and running natty so it won't be much help
[15:07] <ogra_> will do, if i dont get along
[15:07] <infinity> ogra_: You could just diff your config with the omap4 one, ignore hardware bits, and make the rest match. :P
[15:07] <ogra_> there should be an oneiric installer soon
[15:07] <NCommander> #topic Kernel Status (cooloney, ppisati)
[15:07] <meetingology> TOPIC: Kernel Status (cooloney, ppisati)
[15:07]  * NCommander LAGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGS
[15:07] <ogra_> infinity, yeahm, thats what i usually try ...
[15:08] <ppisati> omap4 meta has been updated to 1202.6 (latest TI BSP + lxc fixes)
[15:08] <ppisati> on the other end, work continues on the "arm scheduler bug"
[15:08] <NCommander> Sweet. Next daily should then have LXC out of the box
[15:08] <NCommander> (more or less)
[15:08] <ppisati> found (and fixed) an smp clock bug, but didn't help
[15:08] <ogra_> if you get a daily :)
[15:08]  * NCommander smacks ogra_ 
[15:09] <NCommander> that's an unhappy thought, and unhappy thoughts are disallowed while I'm chairing a meeting
[15:09] <ogra_> heh
[15:09] <ppisati> profiling is undergoing, but so far i didn't find the bttleneck yet
[15:09] <NCommander> ppisati: sounds like the SMP issue on panda is proving to be an extremely difficult nut to crack
[15:09] <infinity> s/on panda//
[15:10] <ppisati> NCommander: definitely, but i've started looking at it just yesterday, so...
[15:10] <ppisati> let's see
[15:10] <janimo> ppisati, I think we do not have latencytop enabled in our omap4 kernel
[15:10] <NCommander> infinity: point taken
[15:10] <ppisati> but yes, it's nasty
[15:10] <janimo> I tried to use that to debug the issues two weeks ago, and then found it is ok on nosmp
[15:10] <ppisati> janimo: someone told me that latencytop was broken on arm, but don't remember who
[15:11] <janimo> ppisati, Linaro have it enabled, so can't hurt
[15:11] <ppisati> ah ok
[15:11] <ppisati> i'll try it ou
[15:11] <ppisati> t
[15:11] <janimo> I hear dit was  ok un UP, not too ok on SMP
[15:11] <ppisati> using perf right now
[15:11] <ppisati> ah yes, and the sgw fix from ricardo :)
[15:12] <ppisati> not pulled yet, but will shortly
[15:12] <janimo> ppisati, great :)
[15:12] <ppisati> that's all from my side
[15:12] <ogra_> good to have you back :)
[15:12] <NCommander> ppisati: bestof luck. If you manage to fry your brain on this bug, then you've officially made it as a member of the ARM developer community
[15:12] <ppisati> :)
[15:12] <ogra_> heh
[15:12] <ppisati> i will
[15:13] <NCommander> [topic] ARM Porting/FTBFS status (NCommander, janimo)
[15:13] <meetingology> TOPIC: ARM Porting/FTBFS status (NCommander, janimo)
[15:13] <NCommander> main is looking happier
[15:13] <infinity> Yup.
[15:13] <infinity> And I have a ton of uploads sitting here to re-transition ocaml today.
[15:14] <NCommander> who fixed ocaml?
[15:14] <NCommander> Ah
[15:14] <infinity> Debian maintainer fixed it, I uploaded said fix.
[15:14] <NCommander> Was it an underlying bug with binutil's handling Cortex A8 errta?
[15:14] <infinity> Not really.
[15:14] <NCommander> nuts
[15:14] <NCommander> that was the train of thought I was working on before life got busy
[15:15] <infinity> More undefined behaviour that required us to jam in an extra section and make everything happy again.
[15:15] <ogra_> omg !
[15:15] <ogra_> libx86 fails
[15:15] <janimo> ocaml using packages still segfault
[15:15] <ogra_> someone fix that !
[15:15] <janimo> I saw a few today
[15:15] <infinity> I mean, one could argue it's binutils' fault, but ocaml was hand-crafting bits in a "workaround the compiler" sort of way, so their own foot they shot.
[15:15] <NCommander> ogra_: $#!@I NFU'ed that package last cycle
[15:15] <infinity> janimo: Yes, see above about re-transitioning.
[15:15] <janimo> infinity, oki
[15:16] <infinity> janimo: Anything build before my last ocaml upload is broken.
[15:16] <infinity> s/build/built/
[15:16] <janimo> infinity, I gave back two packages today and yesterday and they segfaulted
[15:16] <janimo> maybe you uploaded a new ocaml yesterday?
[15:17] <janimo> or they need explicit reupload for transitioning?
[15:17] <infinity> janimo: Which 2?  If they depend on other non-transitioned stuff, they'd still break.
[15:17] <infinity> janimo: There's an order here. :)
[15:18] <janimo> order? In the builds? awesome news :)
[15:18] <ogra_> pfft, orders .... just throw the whole bunch at the buildd until nothing returns :P
[15:18] <janimo> I'll check to see which exactly
[15:18] <infinity> janimo: (But I'd appreciate data points anyway, if it's only half-fixed, I'd like to know... I suspect you're just bouncing packages with broken/un-transitioned build-deps, though)
[15:18]  * NCommander beats ogra_ with something heavier
[15:19] <ogra_> *squeek*
[15:19] <NCommander> See? Fun noises.
[15:19] <ogra_> just for you :)
[15:19] <ogra_> move ?
[15:20] <infinity> Anyhow.
[15:20] <NCommander> #topic ARM Image Status (ogra, NCommander)
[15:20] <meetingology> TOPIC: ARM Image Status (ogra, NCommander)
[15:20] <ogra_> desktop is broken thanks to archive skew
[15:20] <infinity> It's broken thanks to archive breakage.
[15:20] <ogra_> on monday sw-center, since tuesday mono joined
[15:20] <infinity> (ie: every arch is broken)
[15:21] <ogra_> sw-center is fine again, that affected all arches
[15:21] <ogra_> beyond that, ac100 image is progressing, my final livefs testbuild should finish any minute
[15:22] <ogra_> server preinstalled are fine, netboot are fine again since the last d-i uplaod
[15:22] <ogra_> janimo, anything about mx5 to report ?
[15:23] <janimo> ogra_, nope, waiting for the kernels to test live image
[15:23] <ogra_> ah, great (i wondered if my mic was muted :) )
[15:23] <ogra_> NCommander, nothing to add from my side
[15:24] <NCommander> ENOTOBIN so skipping QA status
[15:24] <NCommander> #topic Any Other Business
[15:24] <meetingology> TOPIC: Any Other Business
[15:24] <ogra_> well, i noticed this week how much support tobin does all the time ....
[15:24] <janimo> ogra_, nope, I just found an inappropriate moment to switch to xubuntu from unity-2d so sometimes my windows disappear :)
[15:24] <davidm> true enough he is missed
[15:25] <NCommander> On the flip side, the pull of gravity in the house is no longer slated towards his office
[15:25]  * NCommander runs away
[15:25] <davidm> ogra_, same can be said about you
[15:25] <infinity> You running from all the things that are now heading your way? :P
[15:25] <ogra_> well, my vacation is done now :)
[15:25] <NCommander> pfft, we should just all go on vacation at the same time
[15:25] <NCommander> No one wouldbe missed if the ARM team disappeared in December
[15:25] <davidm>  and I'm very happy it is for sure
[15:26] <ogra_> davidm, which remids me about the missing paperwork *grin*
[15:26] <davidm> OK one item is folks we would like to see at UDS
[15:26]  * NCommander will find some names
[15:26] <infinity> David Copperfield?
[15:26] <ogra_> infinity, huh, really ?
[15:26] <davidm> Anyone we really need to sponsor?
[15:26]  * ogra_ would prefer claudia schiffer then
[15:26] <infinity> ogra_: It was the first sarcastic answer to pop to mind. :P
[15:26] <infinity> ogra_: But yours is better.
[15:27] <davidm> I've seen David Copperfield he is quite good
[15:27] <infinity> davidm: I assume we have our usual Linaro suspects coming already?
[15:27] <davidm> maybe he can make all ARM bugs go away
[15:27] <ogra_> we dont sponsor linaro :)
[15:27] <infinity> ogra_: I know/figured.
[15:27] <davidm> yes Linaro will be there as their Linaro connect will be at UDS
[15:28] <NCommander> We should probably see if we can get LXC upstream/openstack upstream to attend again
[15:28]  * ogra_ has some ideas but will have to talk to people first 
[15:28] <NCommander> if nothing else, I'd like to close the meeting out
[15:28] <ogra_> go
[15:28] <NCommander> #endmeeting
[15:29] <meetingology> Meeting ended Thu Aug 18 15:28:59 2011 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlanBell/mootbot . (v 0.1.4)
[15:29] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2011/ubuntu-meeting.2011-08-18-15.00.moin.txt
[15:29] <NCommander> And done.
[15:29] <ogra_> :)
[15:29] <NCommander> WTF
[15:29] <infinity> ?
[15:29] <NCommander> GrueMaster just left the channel, but I know he'snot here, and if he's on IRC, he's doing something wrong during his VAC
[15:30] <ogra_> well, he joined when the meeting started
[15:30] <ogra_> i guess he just lurked from his phone or so
[15:30] <NCommander> I have to wonder if he has a script to autojoin
[23:56] <beuno> how's everybody doing today?
[23:56] <holstein> beuno: doing well :)
[23:57] <beuno> good, good!
[23:57] <beuno> we're a few minutes from starting
[23:58]  * dscassel settles in.
[23:59] <beuno> so we're just missing tenach