[20:26] <holstein> pleia2: ping
[20:26] <pleia2> holstein: pong
[20:26] <holstein> pleia2: o/
[20:26] <holstein> i know you were saying collecting articles was too much for you
[20:26] <holstein> and i agree
[20:26] <holstein> is there anything happening to get others onboard?
[20:27] <holstein> there might be some duplication, but it might be nice to have a person, or persons per section collecting
[20:28] <holstein> i dont feel like i can personally do much more that the summary writing im doing unfortunately
[20:28] <pleia2> holstein: I've blogged a couple of times to get people to add sutff to our etherpad, and philipballew said this week he'd collect some and add them to the google doc (doesn't look like he's gotten around to it yet though)
[20:29] <holstein> might need to recruit some folk...
[20:29] <holstein> i'll try and keep that in mind, and see what i can do
[20:29] <pleia2> yeah, blog posting clearly isn't enough, I think I need to do some direct nagging :)
[20:29] <holstein> i know we have 'what goes in what section' up somewhere on a wiki
[20:30] <holstein> i think that would be really easy for 6 or 8 new folks to do
[20:30] <pleia2> I don't think it matters if people put them in the wrong section, we can move them around later
[20:30] <holstein> nearly effort free for that many people
[20:30] <pleia2> do your best, we'll sort them later
[20:30] <holstein> pleia2: yeah... just folks to throw *something* in
[20:30] <pleia2> I think the key thing is telling people they need to be strictly ubuntu related
[20:30] <pleia2> almost every newcomer wants to submit generic linux or app articles, which don't really fit
[20:30] <pleia2> (I probably did too :))
[20:31] <holstein> yeah, i wasnt clear about that either... the 'in other news' section was where i was trying to put general linux things that would effect ubuntu
[20:31] <holstein> anyways... i'll try and troll #beginners a little harder for help
[20:31] <philipballew> pleia2, doin it tonight/tommorow. its on the scheadule
[20:32]  * holstein high-fives philipballew :)
[20:32] <philipballew> i can recruit some folk to
[20:32] <pleia2> yeah, in that section I tend to put articles that are generic but somehow mention ubuntu (top list of games, btw here's how to install them in ubuntu, top server distros - ubuntu is #3! etc)
[20:32]  * philipballew wanted to wait till later so there would be more stories
[20:32] <holstein> philipballew: i think even if we just get some folk to just join this channel regularly, and see what we do
[20:33] <philipballew> whats a good way to get the word out?
[20:33] <pleia2> ask your friends, tell them to join here :)
[20:33] <holstein> blogging is a great idea actually
[20:33] <holstein> but, yeah, we'll just have to say 'come here, and check this out!'
[20:33] <philipballew> i could post a blog about it to planet ubuntu maybe?
[20:34] <philipballew> convince them its cool
[20:34] <holstein> theres got to be folk who want to contribute, and dont know how or where
[20:34] <philipballew> if you dont help ubuntu news you are a square
[20:34] <holstein> even trolling... #ubuntu... not that i want to ever go there
[20:34] <holstein> philipballew: hehe
[20:34] <rww> holstein: #ubuntu is strictly for Ubuntu support, please don't advertise things in there :)
[20:35] <holstein> rww: im not suggesting spamming the channel
[20:35] <pleia2> philipballew: http://princessleia.com/journal/?p=3883 is my last blog post about it, so you could write something similar
[20:35] <holstein> if you could say to someone after they ask 'how do i help?'
[20:35] <holstein> "may i PM you?"
[20:35] <holstein> then, you invite them here
[20:35] <pleia2> I'd prefer anonymous users who don't join here edit the etherpad rather than the google doc
[20:35] <holstein> rww: would that be acceptable?
[20:35] <rww> holstein: not really, no
[20:35] <holstein> rww: yeah?
[20:36] <holstein> if someone asks 'how can i help?'
[20:36] <rww> though I'm now interested in whether there's a page of Ubuntu teams with simple introductory tasks that need help, and if not why not
[20:36] <holstein> and a PM is initiated?
[20:36] <holstein> thats not cool?
[20:36] <rww> holstein: no, it isn't
[20:36] <holstein> in a /query?
[20:36] <holstein> thats not in the channel at that point
[20:36] <rww> holstein: it's another one of those things where if everyone did it, it'd be a problem.
[20:36] <philipballew> i think holstein has a good idea here
[20:37] <philipballew> everyone wont rww
[20:37] <holstein> rww: sure, but, whats the answer then?
[20:37] <pleia2> rww: right now it's up to teams themselves to write their own introductory tasks page, and most teams don't do it
[20:37] <holstein> the new user says 'how can i help?'
[20:37] <pleia2> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Teams is a nice teams list though
[20:37] <holstein> whats the response
[20:37] <rww> holstein: !contribute | username, generally
[20:37] <holstein> !contribute
[20:37] <rww> no ubottu in here ;)
[20:37] <pleia2> it's on our roadmap (which kinda lives in my head) to fix our wiki to get some introductory tasks up
[20:37] <philipballew> we should have one
[20:38] <holstein> so, we need the news team on that page
[20:38] <holstein> http://www.ubuntu.com/community/get-involved
[20:38] <holstein> who do i see for that?
[20:38] <rww> or on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ContributeToUbuntu , which I think I might add to that factoid
[20:38] <rww> would be easier since it's a wiki :)
[20:38] <philipballew> holstein, whoever editited it last maybe?
[20:38] <pleia2> that's a complicated question, we had a whole session about improving those pages at UDS (have to work with Canonical for ubuntu.com stuff)
[20:39] <pleia2> but yeah, we should be added to the ContributeToUbuntu wiki
[20:39] <pleia2> maybe once we fix our wiki
[20:39]  * nlsthzn_work turns his back for two minutes and all hell breaks loose in channel... /ativate lurk mode +stealth +shields
[20:39]  * rww adds that wikipage to !contribute
[20:39] <holstein> http://www.ubuntu.com/community/get-involved comes up when i run !contribute
[20:39] <rww> holstein: I just changed it.
[20:39] <holstein> rww: O I C
[20:40] <rww> (on ubottu, will percolate out to the ubot clones in an hour or six)
[20:41] <holstein> so... one of us adds to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ContributeToUbuntu and we are good then right?
[20:41]  * holstein trying to keep up ;)
[20:42] <pleia2> holstein: well, we need to fix our wiki so it's friendly to newcomers and accurate
[20:42] <holstein> pleia2: we are supposed to have a global jam
[20:42] <pleia2> it's not really right now, lots of legacy stuff there from when we had a single editor in chief rather than a team, no "get started quick" page, etc
[20:42] <holstein> wiki maintaining is on the top of the list
[20:42] <pleia2> nice :)
[20:43] <holstein> pleia2: hopefully its at a time when i can bother you about some details
[20:43] <pleia2> holstein: unfortunately I'm going to be visiting family global jam weekend :(
[20:43] <pleia2> not much tube time
[20:43] <holstein> pleia2: nah, thats good for you :)
[20:43] <pleia2> yeah I'm excited, haven't seen one of the aunts I'm visiting for 10 years!
[20:44] <pleia2> now they just live 2 hours away by plane, shameful that I haven't visited sooner :)
[21:52] <philipballew> pleia2, is there a clear understandinf here for everybody on what to do? it seems like maybe if we could assign that people would get more done?
[21:54]  * nlsthzn_work is but a humble Ubuntu user with limited skills except that he is willing... so if anything ever comes up that needs a hand please yell loudly with clear instructions and a handy undo-button
[21:54] <philipballew> ^ me to!
[21:56] <pleia2> philipballew: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Jobs
[21:56] <pleia2> needs a little cleaning up, but tat's the basics
[21:57] <pleia2> we can't really strictly assign people though, if one person fails to do their job then the whole newsletter fails to get released
[21:57] <pleia2> people just pick jobs and do them, the editor for the week (usually me) grabs people to picks up the slack
[21:57] <pleia2> s/picks/pick
[21:58] <philipballew> whos the editor?
[21:58] <philipballew> if its not you?
[21:59] <philipballew> or has it just been you forever now?
[21:59] <pleia2> I just started in june :)
[21:59] <pleia2> nhandler could be editor, akgraner did it for over a year
[22:00] <pleia2> but anyone with a firm understanding of the process could (I'm sure holstein could too)
[22:00] <philipballew> holstein, is the man
[22:01] <akgraner> It's not a hard job and it's even less time consuming now - like pleia2 said once you have a firm understanding it's a cakewalk
[22:01] <akgraner> ok maybe not a cakewalk but you know what I mean
[22:01] <pleia2> it's mostly about nagging people and making sure we hit deadlines :)
[22:01] <philipballew> if you ever feel like stepping down and need one, i am happy to take that over. but your doin a great job
[22:01] <pleia2> the most tiring part is that it never ends (yay released! oh ... more news to gather to start again)
[22:02] <akgraner> pleia2, and nhandler are a team that rocks! :-)
[22:02] <akgraner> pleia2, I'll be around again Monday - can I try the scripts again?
[22:02] <pleia2> philipballew: not much to "step down" from, we're a team and whoever can do it each week just does it (it's been me lately because I've had time)
[22:02] <pleia2> philipballew: once you're familiar with it all we'd be happy to let you do it :)
[22:02] <akgraner> I just want to make sure I have that process down...
[22:03] <akgraner> I'll try to help some this weekend but Pete is only home Saturday and Sunday and then leaves again for a week..
[22:03] <philipballew> makes sence. college starts soon so i actually have a stable schedule. id love to do that if needed. its only a few hours a week i see
[23:45] <holstein> i missed philipballew...
[23:46] <holstein> maybe he's around while akgraner and i and the other LoCo folk are working wikis for the jam :)