[01:30] <sg> hello
[04:08] <MartijnVdS> popey: http://nyantardis.com/
[06:52] <MooDoo> morning all
[06:55] <nigelb> Morning!
[06:59] <popey> Morning
[07:02] <Gary> morning
[07:02]  * Gary is still feeling sorry for himself
[07:06] <MooDoo> wassup Gary ?
[07:06] <MooDoo> morning popey
[07:13] <DJones> Morning all
[07:25] <DJones> AlanBell: COngrats on the reapproval, sorry I couldn't join in, but deepest darkest derbyshire doesn't have much in the way of internet or mobile signals
[07:28] <smittix> Morning all
[07:29] <popey> hi smittix
[07:29] <smittix> How goes it?
[07:29] <popey> how was the holiday DJones ?
[07:29] <popey> smittix: need coffee
[07:29] <smittix> heh
[07:30] <Gary> MooDoo: morning, things are okay, still in pain tho :'(
[07:31] <MooDoo> Gary: feeling poorly.
[07:33] <Gary> yeah, came off my bike on sunday, faceplanted the pavement
[07:33] <MooDoo> Gary: ouch, done that a few times :S
[07:33] <DJones> popey: It was good, nice and relaxing, lots of walking (dog now has legs that are about 2 inches shorter), visiting places, drinking wine/beer/southern comfort etc
[07:34] <popey> excellent
[07:34] <popey> feeling refreshed?
[07:34] <DJones> Knackered :)
[07:34] <Gary> MooDoo: I broke my hand too!  and have since been feeling rather sorry for myself
[07:35] <DJones> 5 mile walks up hills & down dales
[07:35] <christel> poor Gary :(
[07:35] <MooDoo> Gary: hugs
[07:35] <DJones> Gary: Sorry to hear about that, hope the recovery doesn't take too long
[07:53] <czajkowski> aloha
[07:55] <MooDoo> morning czajkowski *poke*
[07:55] <gord> "Just letting you know your bi-monthly candy was just sent from Japan and should be arriving to you in about a week." :D
[07:56] <Gary> candy!
[07:59] <MooDoo> :D
[08:06] <Ng> popey: the Morpeth on Millbank often has canoniclers on a friday
[08:07] <Ng> but many of us prefer to scurry home to our burrows ;)
[08:07] <popey> :D
[08:11] <kirrus> gord: you get candy from Japan?
[08:14] <gord> kirrus, yup
[08:15] <Myrtti> pocky ♥
[08:15] <kirrus> gord: ordered from a site, or just a friend being friendly? :)
[08:16] <gord> from a site, its a club, every other week you get sent new candy
[08:16] <gord> for €15 a month
[08:18] <HazRPG> morning all \o
[08:19] <kirrus> sounds good.. gotta link? ;)
[08:19] <gord> um candyjapan.com maybe? something like that? i have no idea
[08:20] <MooDoo> http://www.candyjapan.com/
[08:20] <kirrus> woo, thanks :)
[08:22] <diplo> morning all
[08:22] <diplo> That's the first time in 20 years that I have overslept for work :D
[08:25] <MooDoo> diplo: no excuse :D
[08:27] <diplo> Nope :(
[08:27] <diplo> Luckily on my own at work this week
[08:27] <Gary> anyone notice?
[08:29] <diplo> Not yet, work remotely from our headoffice in Nottingham
[08:29] <diplo> No missed calls, just wasn't on msn/skype
[08:30] <diplo> "I forgot to sign in this morning"
[08:30] <diplo> :D
[08:31] <MooDoo> Nottingham O_o :)
[08:32] <MooDoo> Us Nottingham Ubuntu-ers definately need a meet up :D
[08:32] <smittix> I concur!
[08:32] <diplo> I'm up on my own next month for 2-3 days
[08:32] <diplo> Staying in a hotel in the town centre
[08:32] <MooDoo> cool, pub night :D
[08:32] <diplo> So up for a meet up
[08:33] <Howie> I have returned
[08:42] <smittix> Moodoo, are you on google,
[08:42] <smittix> bah
[08:42] <smittix> s/google,/google+
[08:45] <MooDoo> smittix: yup
[08:46] <MooDoo> Paul Mellors
[08:46] <smittix> Coolio
[08:47] <popey> \o/ Google+
[08:47] <popey> I've been playing some games on it recently
[08:47] <smittix> Not related to John Mellors by any chance?
[08:47] <popey> its nice that they keep game stuff to the game stream
[08:47] <smittix> popey: You're already in my Linux Peeps circle
[08:47] <popey> heh
[08:47] <MooDoo> smittix: no :)   and i've added you :D
[08:48] <MooDoo> smittix: John?  Johnathan?
[08:48] <MooDoo> i have an uncle Johnathan
[08:48] <smittix> How old roughly?
[08:49] <smittix> The John I know is 27ish
[08:49] <MooDoo> nah not the one, he's my uncle and i'm 40 :D
[08:49] <MooDoo> well 39 :)
[08:49] <smittix> ahh heh
[08:52]  * Howie is still.here
[08:52] <MooDoo> i'll contact you guys in a couple of weeks about a beer, still waiting for the new nipper to drop.
[08:57] <Howie> help ubuntu has got stuck on a 30 second loop, and its driving me up the wall
[08:59] <Howie> any ideas
[08:59] <popey> not with that level of detail, no
[08:59] <Howie> I cant see any open aplocations and the pc is stuck.on stand by
[09:00] <Howie> and I cant stop it or get the pc off stand by
[09:01] <bigcalm> Do you have sshd running on the machine?
[09:01] <Howie> in English please
[09:01] <bigcalm> That'll be a no then
[09:02] <MooDoo> Howie: the ssh deamon, the program that allows you to SSH into your box
[09:02] <Howie> I have no idea what that is anyway
[09:02] <Howie> right
[09:02] <bigcalm> I have SSHd running on all of my linux machines, so that if they freeze, I can connect from another machine and kill whatever is causing the freeze
[09:02] <popey> Howie: have you tried turning it off and on again?
[09:02] <bigcalm> IT Crowd to the rescue
[09:03] <Howie> popey it wont turn off
[09:03] <bigcalm> Pull the power cable out
[09:03] <bigcalm> Or remove the battery
[09:03] <MooDoo> Howie: press and hold the power button for 15 seconds
[09:03] <MooDoo> it should then power off
[09:03] <bigcalm> Yes, what MooDoo says
[09:04] <Howie> it beeps twice and continues to run
[09:04] <popey> pull the power out
[09:04] <bigcalm> If it still runs after that, you have bigger problems
[09:05] <MooDoo> bigcalm: and i want to know his secret as it's running with no power :D
[09:05] <bigcalm> :)
[09:05] <Howie> wth battery backup mode active just appeared on screen for a few seconds and then it contonues being annoying
[09:05] <bigcalm> Reminds me of one of the few x-files eps. I can remember: Ghost in the Machine
[09:06] <popey> Howie: take your trolling elsewhere
[09:06] <MooDoo> Howie: just remove all power to the machine...that will sort it.....
[09:07] <popey> I believe howie to be wasting our time here.
[09:07] <Howie> popey its not trolling its me forgetting that I put a backup battery in iy
[09:07] <popey> bullshit
[09:07] <MooDoo> Howie: that won't effect anything
[09:07] <MooDoo> popey: i think that was a little harsh :S
[09:07] <christel> FIST OF DOOM
[09:07] <MooDoo> imho
[09:07] <popey> heh
[09:08] <popey> MooDoo: feel free to go back over the last year of crap we've had from him and undo that
[09:08] <popey> then come back to me and tell me it was harsh
[09:08] <MooDoo> popey: ah ok
[09:08]  * MooDoo stands corrected
[09:09]  * MooDoo wonders if it's pushing it a little too far if i mention language ;)
[09:09] <popey> yes, it is
[09:11] <bigcalm> Oh, it's him
[09:12] <popey> indeed
[09:12] <bigcalm> And now, for something completely different: http://eddirt.frozenreality.co.uk/index.php?id=783
[09:13] <popey> haha
[09:13] <bigcalm> I want me a kitten
[09:13] <smittix> That sums my cat up
[09:15] <AlanBell> MooDoo: name a pub in nottingham
[09:15] <popey> "The MooDoo Arms"
[09:15] <bigcalm> I name this pub...
[09:16] <bigcalm> Just don't break the bottle
[09:17] <diplo> I do like the pubs in Nottingham, and the people seem quite nice as well
[09:18] <czajkowski> hmm
[09:18] <czajkowski> I tried to add a pin to where we are on the UK map the other day
[09:18] <czajkowski> I think I failed
[09:18] <czajkowski> :/
[09:19] <czajkowski> feck
[09:19] <AlanBell> czajkowski: did it tell you that you already had said that?
[09:19] <MooDoo> AlanBell: the trip to jerusalem?   the bell in, the salutation inn
[09:19] <AlanBell> MooDoo: pick one
[09:19] <czajkowski> AlanBell: no I couldnt move the pin to anywhere other than "London" and I was trying to be specific
[09:19] <czajkowski> so not sure it saved
[09:19] <smittix> diplo: Except for the rioting scumbags which were in the city center not long ago.
[09:20] <MooDoo> AlanBell: salutation
[09:20] <diplo> The Bell inn is our usual I believe, that just down / opposite a tescos/mcd's ?
[09:20] <diplo> I forgot to ask my work peeps about that smittix, was it that bad ?
[09:20] <smittix> diplo: Yeah The Bell is a good pub
[09:20] <AlanBell> czajkowski: it did save, somewhere
[09:21] <bigcalm> Oo, Nottingham is only 1.5hours from here
[09:21] <smittix> diplo: Yeah It was worse than the media made it out to be. They didnt report on half the things that happened.
[09:21] <czajkowski> hmm ok
[09:21] <diplo> smittix, :(
[09:21] <AlanBell> czajkowski: it saved in Westminster, want it deleted?
[09:21] <czajkowski> I am the only person in London
[09:21] <czajkowski> I find this hard to believe
[09:21] <czajkowski> nah tis cool
[09:21] <smittix> diplo: But I have to hand it to Nottinghamshire Police they did a great job.
[09:22] <MooDoo> smittix: the only things i heard about was in st anns and mansfield
[09:22] <diplo> Nowt happened in my small town, I didn't actually here about it till monday night/tuesday morning
[09:22] <smittix> MooDoo: Bulwell, Sneinton, Meadows, Basford, Radford, St Anns.
[09:22] <czajkowski> AlanBell: can you RT my last tweet :)
[09:23] <MooDoo> smittix: where are you living at the mo?
[09:23] <smittix> MooDoo: Bulwell, Stanns, Meadows and Oxclose lane police stations were all attacked.
[09:23] <smittix> MooDoo: Cinderhill.
[09:23] <MooDoo> didn't know oxclose was :S
[09:23] <MooDoo> smittix: Calverton here
[09:24] <MooDoo> Ubuntu UK Road Trip - Nottingham '11 :D
[09:24] <czajkowski> AlanBell: thanks
[09:24] <popey> :D
[09:24] <smittix> MooDoo: Yeah, I remember you saying :). One person from Calverton was arrested.
[09:25] <MooDoo> smittix: yay :D lol
[09:25] <MooDoo> smittix: don't know the name do you?
[09:25] <smittix> I will have a look
[09:26] <MooDoo> s'ok i got it
[09:27] <MooDoo> *sigh*
[09:28] <diplo> Rain is horrible :(
[09:28] <bigcalm> I quite like the rain
[09:28] <diplo> Want to go home put heating on and watch a movie, not really making me want to stay at work
[09:29] <bigcalm> Expect when it causes flooding and I lose my car to it in 2007
[09:29] <gord> why must every program have a different key combination for re-do :(
[09:29]  * MooDoo started encoding his movies last night, shame all i've got is a laptop 2.5 hours to encode a movie :S
[09:29] <gord> we all decided on undo!
[09:29] <popey> gord: you should try SAP one day
[09:29] <gord> oh really?
[09:29] <popey> they have different function key combinations within the application on different screens
[09:29] <gord> ha nice
[09:30] <popey> refresh might be F5, F8, or perhaps Shift F2
[09:30] <bigcalm> Fun
[09:30] <popey> yeah
[09:30] <AlanBell> right, more people tell me about pubs where they live, postcode and name please
[09:31]  * popey pokes AlanBell DJones and whoever else with -irc
[09:31] <DJones> ok
[09:32] <bigcalm> Humm?
[09:33] <bigcalm> AlanBell: the LUG in my county meets here: http://shropshirelug.wordpress.com/meetings/
[09:34] <bigcalm> AlanBell: not the biggest pub, but they do have an upstairs room the LUG gets to use
[09:34] <czajkowski> http://www.jonobacon.org/2011/07/05/free-official-ubuntu-book-for-approved-loco-teams/ for offical locoteams
[09:35] <MooDoo> :)
[09:36] <AlanBell> czajkowski: applied for it when that was posted (deadline was monday)
[09:37] <MooDoo> I have the one for 10.04 LTS if any one is interested in borrowing it :D
[09:37] <gord> heh, neat. found my suse thing :) http://ubuntuone.com/p/1BCk/
[09:37] <gord> *puts it next to the wookie that guards his computer from viruses*
[09:38] <popey> hehe, i have one of them
[09:38] <popey> it's in Sams bed
[09:38] <MooDoo> gord: not seen mine in years :)
[09:38] <gord> mine was behind the coffee in the kitchen cabinet - smells like coffee now :)
[09:39] <gord> oh right yes, i took a photo on my phone *watches u1 notify-osd spam me on all my computers*
[09:40] <smittix> I want one of those Tux Droids
[09:41] <AlanBell> http://ubuntu-uk.org/happy-hour/
[09:41] <AlanBell> need moar pubs
[09:41]  * popey will tweet this.
[09:41] <AlanBell> then I will mix the order up a bit
[09:41] <popey> can you put some text on that page which describes what we plan?
[09:43] <gord> the planned route isn't too helpful, just lots of red lines with no progression indicatied
[09:43] <diplo> That is some distance to travel AlanBell :D
[09:43] <MooDoo> is there a way to add a pub yourself?
[09:43] <AlanBell> MooDoo: sure, register on the site and I will bump you up to editor
[09:43] <MooDoo> ok thank you
[09:47] <TheOpenSourcerer> popey: Have you discovered whether the WP/Apache/PHP issue is still there on a later version of Ubuntu?
[09:48] <AlanBell> http://ubuntu-uk.org/happy-hour/
[09:49] <bigcalm> Zoomed out, the pin looks as though it's in Wolverhampton. It's Telford if that gives and +/- points :)
[09:50] <popey> TheOpenSourcerer: no, all of them run LTS
[09:50] <TheOpenSourcerer> ok
[09:50] <TheOpenSourcerer> ty
[09:51] <TheOpenSourcerer> Anyone know how to get schema and data out of MSSQL so it could be imported in MySQL or something more free and useful?
[09:52] <smittix> I should be ashamed of myself. Its the first time I have installed 11.10
[09:52] <smittix> Liking the login screen.
[09:52] <TheOpenSourcerer> smittix: I'm still on 10.10 currently. Can't bring myself to get all unityfied just yet.
[09:53] <directhex> TheOpenSourcerer, don't blame you
[09:53] <smittix> TheOpenSourcerer: To be honest I hated unity to start with because it was so different. But now I love it.
[09:53] <MooDoo> i was in oneiric, then it crashed to much, so went to 10.04, just upgrated to maverick last night
[09:53] <directhex> unity's implementation in natty is really really really really really really really really bugged
[09:54] <smittix> I have no problems in Natty at all.
[09:57] <DJones> Ouch, on exam results day, the UCAS website has crashed and had to been taken offline
[09:58] <MooDoo> ooops
[10:01] <kirrus> TheOpenSourcerer: you can upgrade, and still use Gnome2, just on the login screen select 'Ubuntu Classic'. I had to, as Unity kept flipping my workspace orientation, so nothing was where I put it :/
[10:01] <bigcalm> If only they could have predicted when it will be in high demand...
[10:02] <TheOpenSourcerer> kirrus: Yeah I can, but why? 10.10 is stable and reliable. I use this for work and don't really have time to get to grips with all the other UI changes right now.
[10:04] <kirrus> Newer version of firefox? I tend to upgrade just because I've seen what happens to machines that don't get upgraded, ever. (i.e. they're a pig to get up-to-date, or they just break when you try)
[10:04] <TheOpenSourcerer> I am running FF6 this morning.
[10:05] <bigcalm> Same here (think I was yesterday as well). When will this crazyness end?
[10:05] <bigcalm> The guy who does the HTML Validator extension has stopped releasing until the API settles down :(
[10:06] <directhex> bigcalm, never, then
[10:06] <TheOpenSourcerer> I'm not very happy about the Mozilla 6weekly release schedule. As an extension dev (for Thunderbird which is also now on the 6 week cycle) it is a pain in the bottom.
[10:06] <TheOpenSourcerer> It's just a number! WTF can't they update a minor one rather than a major?
[10:06] <gord> the new api they are making is supposed to fix that problem
[10:07] <gord> if its just a number why does it matter?
[10:08] <TheOpenSourcerer> The way you specify the version an extension relies on major numbers.
[10:08] <directhex> install.rdf, isn't it?
[10:08] <TheOpenSourcerer> Yeah
[10:09] <diplo> TheOpenSourcerer, re MSSQL, could use php/perl to extract and put into mysql
[10:09] <diplo> I did it at my last job
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[10:10] <directhex> who te hell uses toy products like mssql?
[10:10] <AlanBell> one of our customers
[10:10] <MooDoo> o/
[10:10] <AlanBell> so we are going to put it in a real database
[10:10] <AlanBell> but there is a lack of sensible export options from MSSQL
[10:11] <directhex> that's not how lock-in works
[10:11] <AlanBell> http://www.convert-in.com/mss2sql.htm this looks like it might work
[10:11] <diplo> heh, we had quite a few software companies dependant on it, so we let them use it and exported the data to mysql to do with it what we wanted
[10:11] <TheOpenSourcerer> There are a few commercial tools. There used to be a MySQL tool but that EOL'd in 2008
[10:12] <diplo> yeah that was the issue I came across TheOpenSourcerer
[10:12] <AlanBell> however a free softare mysqldump tool for mssql would be kind of nice
[10:12] <TheOpenSourcerer> http://ms2my.sourceforge.net/
[10:12] <diplo> There is AlanBell, you can do CLI with MSSQL
[10:12] <diplo> trying to remember commands, has been a while since I had to do it
[10:13] <TheOpenSourcerer> Last Update   2009-07-17   :-(
[10:13] <diplo> Not sure if it's human readable though like mysqldump
[10:14] <diplo> Also seems to be http://sqldump.sourceforge.net
[10:14] <diplo> lol 2002
[10:14] <diplo> :D
[10:14] <diplo> 2005 MSSQL ?
[10:15] <TheOpenSourcerer> http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/Aa174646
[10:16] <TheOpenSourcerer> Can't tell if that handles the schema or not.
[10:16] <diplo> yeah looks like what I used
[10:17] <diplo> http://blog.simonholywell.com/post/374215441/sql-server-2005-dump-to-sql-statements
[10:19] <diplo> My brother is a MSSQL chap, want me to ask how to dump the schema ?
[10:19] <kazade> morning all
[10:20] <TheOpenSourcerer> That would be kind diplo - thanks. If he has time of course.
[10:21] <TheOpenSourcerer> That blog post and the DPW look to be helpful too. Thanks.
[10:21] <smittix> Does anyone here have a Vega Tablet?
[10:22] <diplo> Will send him a text now, he was always my fall guy when I got stuck with MSSQL, not really my speciality by any means, but I normally get by, but not having to touch it for nearly 2 years doesn't help :)
[10:24] <AlanBell> £875 for a linux ODBC driver for MSSQL!
[10:24] <AlanBell> http://www.easysoft.com/products/data_access/odbc-sql-server-driver/index.html
[10:24] <diplo> Don't need it.. can do it with a pear module
[10:25] <jml> hello
[10:25] <diplo> http://pear.php.net/package/MDB2_Driver_mssql/redirected
[10:25] <diplo> I believe
[10:25] <jml> so, after a very long and painful process, I've got cuts, in .ogv, for all the bits of my screencast that I want.
[10:25] <jml> now I want to put them together and publish them
[10:25] <jml> I basically have no idea how to do this
[10:25] <AlanBell> openshot \o/
[10:25] <jml> mencoder doesn't output ogv for me
[10:26] <jml> AlanBell: openshot is fail
[10:26] <jml> AlanBell: it snips off beginnings and ends of clips
[10:26] <jml> AlanBell: at least when I am playing back within openshot
[10:27] <AlanBell> hmm, try a test render, I have not seen that problem
[10:33] <smittix> Hmm my Google+ Invites arent going down.
[10:34] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: I can't stop playing "Kakkaoi!" song :P
[10:34] <smittix> If you listen to this you will not get it out of your head http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-bAN7Ts0xBo
[10:35] <HazRPG> smittix: heh, man I haven't heard that in years XD
[10:36] <diplo> No mine don't either
[10:36] <diplo> Don't think they are are really doing it, just a ploy to say it's in "Beta"
[10:36] <HazRPG> when me and my friends first heard that song in like 2000, we all went out and were doing the dance constantly
[10:36] <smittix> HazRPG: I actually like it.
[10:37] <HazRPG> then WoW:BC came out, people all thought we were imitating the Draenei dance
[10:38] <MooDoo> morning davmor2
[10:39] <davmor2> morning MooDoo
[10:39] <smittix> HazRPG: haha
[10:40] <HazRPG> smittix: yeah I do too, I first heard heard the song in Saudi on the asian Channel V music channel, it use to be a random channel, mainly English songs played - but they're occasionally do music from all across asia (india, china, korea, japan, etc)
[10:42] <HazRPG> there was another Punjabi song I really liked back then, but because I can't really remember the lyrics (and since you can't do a google search on an image that's in your head) ... I could never find it
[10:44] <smittix> HazRPG: This one makes me laugh. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sdyC1BrQd6g
[10:45] <jml> AlanBell: basically, Openshot's internal playback is very unreliable for me
[10:46] <jml> but the output render seems to go ok
[10:47] <AlanBell> I think the internal renderer tries to play back realtime even if it can't get the data on screen fast enough
[10:48] <diplo> Anyone else here having issues with Chomium recently since a recent update, seems to just lock up ( go grey )
[10:48] <diplo> Just from a selecting a link
[10:49] <HazRPG> smittix: heh that dude looks familiar!
[10:49] <directhex> diplo, close all chromium windows. run a ps -ef | grep chromium. you may have a defective chromium flash process
[10:49] <HazRPG> smittix: haha no wait, I have heard this song before XD
[10:50] <andybleaden> I would love to get an Ubuntu hour up here in Manchester...perhaps one of the wifi friendlier pubs in the city...
[10:50] <HazRPG> smittix: it was another song I heard on Channel V
[10:50] <diplo> It keeps happening directhex even after reboots since maybe 2 days ago
[10:52] <MooDoo> andybleaden: tell AlanBell about a put and get it added to the list :)
[10:53] <MooDoo> andybleaden: pub not put :)
[10:53] <AlanBell> andybleaden: pick a pub name and postcode
[10:54] <andybleaden> does it have to have wifi
[10:54] <andybleaden> or just nice beer
[10:54] <AlanBell> beer
[10:54] <andybleaden> dont rush now!
[10:54] <andybleaden> I would go for the marble arch then
[10:54] <sally> I nominate the Crown Beeston Nottingham NG9 1FY http://www.everards.co.uk/pubs/crown_inn_173/
[10:55] <MooDoo> sally: FTW!
[10:55]  * AlanBell adds that to the list, thanks sally
[10:55] <MooDoo> sally: another nottingham user eh :D
[10:55] <andybleaden> Marble Arch 73 Rochdale Road Manchester M4 4HY
[10:56] <andybleaden> brew their own beer too!
[10:56] <MooDoo> #ubuntu-uk-notts-branch :)
[10:56] <andybleaden> http://www.marblebeers.co.uk/
[10:56] <sally> MooDoo :) link?
[10:57] <MooDoo> sally: i was just creating a irc channel as a joke :) although i'm in it lol
[10:57] <andybleaden> Marble is also easy public transport wise in Manchester and away from the noisy part
[10:58] <andybleaden> many others here in GM area?
[10:58] <HazRPG> smittix: if you wanna hear something really random... just before saudi arabian channel 2 (they only had 2 local TV channels) was turned on or opened up, this was the song that played, just to let you know they were about to start the first program: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ajf6WO4MuSg
[10:59] <christel> AlanBell: i nominate the hop blossom
[11:03] <diplo> TheOpenSourcerer, my brother is on hols but said ossql is what you want
[11:03] <diplo> http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa213088%28v=sql.80%29.aspx
[11:03] <Laney> wait more notts people?
[11:03] <diplo> I remember now that is what I used
[11:03] <diplo> o/ - Sorta
[11:03] <diplo> I pop up for work every other month or so
[11:03] <andybleaden> AlanBell,  Marble Arch 73 Rochdale Road Manchester M4 4HY
[11:06] <MooDoo> Laney: a few more yeah :)
[11:06] <HazRPG> smittix: heh, score managed to find it... was trying to find a song that I head on Channel V on my last holiday to the Philippines. Ironically their influence is Michael Jackson (and you can tell from the style of the music and the dance): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ja3T8GdADIs
[11:06] <MooDoo> Laney: diplo smittix and sally was here, she's from beeston :D
[11:07] <MooDoo> Laney: got her in #ubuntu-uk-nottingham lol :)
[11:07] <Laney> heh
[11:07] <Laney> i live in beeston too
[11:07] <Laney> small world eh
[11:07] <MooDoo> Laney: yeah considering i used to live in chilwell :)
[11:08] <popey> \o/ subteams
[11:08] <directhex> i live in a pineapple under the sea
[11:08] <MooDoo> yup #ubuntu-uk-nottingham is alive and well :D
[11:08] <MooDoo> *snigger*
[11:09] <paddax_> j lwjgl
[11:09] <MooDoo> does that mean AlanBell / popey / czajkowski will have to do uk subteam approvals ;)
[11:10] <smittix> HazRPG: Catchy song!
[11:10] <smittix> Laney: Cinderhill Here :)
[11:10] <HazRPG> smittix: isn't it just! Its korean iirc
[11:11] <AlanBell> MooDoo: yes, but I have heard the UK subteam approval board is quite corrupt and open to bribery
[11:11] <Laney> arr, good ol' phoenix park
[11:11] <MooDoo> AlanBell: i should hope so :)
[11:12] <hoover> morning all
[11:12] <Laney> MooDoo lives in some strange village out in the sticks
[11:12] <hoover> or good afternoon rather
[11:12]  * MooDoo would like to have the #ubuntu-uk-nottingham subteam approved....cash on its way to AlanBell :)
[11:13] <MooDoo> Laney: pah! yeah ok your right :D
[11:13] <Laney> it's alright, working in the city qualifies you for membership
[11:13] <MooDoo> phew :)
[11:14] <MooDoo> and not far from the trip either ;)
[11:14] <Laney> heart, right?
[11:14] <MooDoo> yeah
[11:14] <Laney> near the donor centre
[11:15] <MooDoo> Laney: are you stalking me ;)
[11:15] <Laney> no, i just see it when i go there to donate
[11:15] <HazRPG> smittix: I thought I wrote more song titles down in my journal, but seems not! Must have had them down on a piece of paper or something and lost them
[11:15] <MooDoo> ah cool :)
[11:16] <Laney> which I hope you do too :-)
[11:16] <MooDoo> Laney: alas no
[11:16] <MooDoo> Laney: i carry a medical green card which means i'm not allowed
[11:16] <Laney> :(
[11:17] <MooDoo> Laney: which does annoy me seeing as i work next door lol
[11:17] <gord> Android fans! is there any way i can block text numbers?
[11:17] <directhex> i can't donate
[11:18] <directhex> they get tetchy when you pass out from just being in te building
[11:18] <MooDoo> gord: there is if you're using cyanogen, i'm not sure it blocks texts though
[11:18] <Laney> I have a pretty cool hole pattern on my inside elbow from donating
[11:20] <czajkowski> kazade: did you get your mac issue resolved?
[11:20] <HazRPG> smittix: haha, this one's random too... more korean stuff: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7mPqycQ0tQ (song doesn't start until 0:20 or so)
[11:20] <HazRPG> I'll leave it at  that, otherwise I'll just spend all day on youtube lol
[11:20] <gord> MooDoo, using stock :)
[11:20] <MooDoo> ok
[11:21] <gord> getting spamvertisements about my "accident"
[11:21] <gord> are they talking about when i tripped over my cat? i don't want to sue my cat
[11:27] <MooDoo> well if any nottingham users have anything they want to say and don't want to spam this main channel the other one has a guard on it now.....i can delete it any time :D
[11:34] <Myrtti> popey ♥
[11:36] <DJones> gord: If your phone company don't offer teh facility to block certain numbers from sending texts, this may help https://market.android.com/details?id=org.baole.app.antismsspam&feature=search_result
[11:36] <dutchie> quick question: usb wireless adapters: likely to Just Work with 11.04 or not?
[11:37] <gord> DJones, neat, thanks
[11:46] <kazade> czajkowski: nah, but I found a bug report somewhere. Basically I can tap to click, but clicking the actual button confuses Ubuntu (it thinks I'm multitouching)
[11:46] <czajkowski> :/
[11:46] <kazade> it's not a big deal - I fixed a shedload of other weird quirks...
[11:46] <czajkowski> ah ok
[11:46] <kazade> my biggest annoyance is the Nvidia drivers - which suck
[11:47] <czajkowski> indeed
[11:47] <kazade> I can't hot plug my external monitor because Nvidia *STILL* don't support xrandr - which everyone else has been supporting for ages
[11:47] <directhex> you can hot plug it via nvidia-settings though
[11:47] <kazade> you mean, opening the nvidia settings window and enabling it?
[11:47] <gord> kazade, not tried nouvou or however its spelt?
[11:48] <kazade> Nouveau works like a dream...
[11:48] <kazade> but freezes about once an hour - forcing a hard reset
[11:48] <directhex> kazade, right. nvidia-settings can enable/disable monitors without restarting x
[11:48] <kazade> directhex: true, but, I have my external monitor set as my primary, guess what happens if I unplug it?
[11:48] <kazade> I lose the side of my desktop with gnome shell on it
[11:48] <directhex> joyfun
[11:48] <kazade> indeed
[11:49] <kazade> nouveau works awesomely in that regard - but it freezes :(
[12:03] <Gary> hey Matt
[12:07] <AlanBell> hi Gary
[12:08] <AlanBell> Gary: do you have an irssi command to alias /20 to /window 20 for all numbers at once?
[12:08] <Gary> erm, yes, somewhow
[12:11] <Gary> window_switcher.pl is what I use
[12:11] <Gary> http://scripts.irssi.org/html/window_switcher.pl.html
[12:13] <AlanBell> ok, nice, but not quite what I was after
[12:13] <Gary> I think thats what I use
[12:14] <Gary> I just do a /23 to go to window 23
[12:16] <popey> i just have a giant list of aliases
[12:17] <gord> i just stopped using irssi once i got over 20 windows ;)
[12:18]  * Laney has a window list
[12:18] <popey> ditto
[12:18] <Laney> >> (e=13|#ubuntu-uk r=14|&bitlbee   t=15|#ub~eeting y=16|#debi~evel et cetera
[12:19] <popey> http://popey.com/~alan/irssi.png
[12:22] <Laney> http://orangesquash.org.uk/~laney/irssi.png
[12:22] <Laney> ancient (phorm reference!) but it's pretty much like that still
[12:31]  * MooDoo feels left out that he only has 9 irssi windows
[12:31] <dwatkins> I try to keep mine down to 15 or so
[12:33] <Myrtti> I just remember them by number...
[12:34] <popey> Laney: I couldn't copye with the abbreviations :D
[12:34] <Laney> i kind of got used to them
[12:34] <Laney> muscle memory tells me where most of the important channels are
[12:35] <Myrtti> ^
[12:35] <popey> heh
[12:36] <mfraz74> I'm trying to follow the tutorial at http://developer.ubuntu.com/packaging/html/packaging-from-scratch.html, but I'm getting stuck at the "make" stage
[12:37] <AlanBell> hi mfraz74
[12:37] <mfraz74> hi AlanBell
[12:37] <mfraz74> paste.ubuntu.com/669191
[12:38] <mfraz74> any ideas?
[12:41] <AlanBell> not really, but that looks more like "doesn't compile" than it "doesn't package"
[12:41] <AlanBell> did you write the code?
[12:42] <mfraz74> no, i was following the tutorial I iposted, cmake worked and then I tried make which failed
[12:45] <AlanBell> oh, right
[12:46] <AlanBell> did you install libqrencode-dev libzbar-dev libzbarqt-dev
[12:46] <gord> heh neat, my little experiment with only passively cooling this atom machine worked out well, cpu is at 20 degrees after a day of running :)
[12:46] <mfraz74> AlanBell: yes, they are all installed
[12:47] <MooDoo> Laney: you on google+
[12:47] <Laney> yes
[12:48] <AlanBell> mfraz74: what version of Ubuntu are you using?
[12:48] <popey> jml: just watched your video, so does this mean Launchpad now accepts binary-only packages in ppas? I thought it only accepted open source packages that build on launchpad farm?
[12:48] <jussi> popey: DAMN!!! that media player looks amazing for the price
[12:49] <popey> yeah
[12:49] <mfraz74> AlanBell: kubuntu 11.04
[12:51] <jussi> popey: I might have to get you to order and send it to me - seems ebuyer doesnt do overseas
[12:51] <jml> popey: terms of service are still the same: you can use PPAs for free only if you're uploading open source stuff
[12:51] <jml> popey: we use PPAs as the mechanism to distribute commercial games etc in the software center
[12:52] <popey> so that demo wouldn't work for me?
[12:52] <popey> if I got pkgme and tried to upload a blob?
[12:52]  * nigelb notes popey should have been there at jml's Q & A. :)
[12:52]  * popey notes he didnt know there was a Q & A.
[12:52] <jml> popey: it would, (although see the follow-up blog post http://code.mumak.net/2011/08/how-dependency-guessing-works.html) ... but you'd be violating the Launchpad terms of service, and we'd take it down when we found out about it.
[12:52] <smittix> Any nottingham users I can add to my NottsLinux Circle on google+?
[12:53] <nigelb> popey: I wish there was more pbulicity planned.
[12:54] <popey> jml: so at some point of time in the future when developer.u.c is working and pkgme is done, I could somehow register for a special ppa which lets me upload blobs, and do effectively what you did?
[12:54] <jml> popey: LP is a libre code base providing a gratis service for libre apps, and a paid service for proprietary apps
[12:54] <jml> popey: yes, pretty much.
[12:54] <popey> of course, yes
[12:55] <popey> I forgot about the pay-for service
[12:55] <popey> does the pay-for service come at an apple-like XX$/yr or is it %age of revenue or a mix of both?
[12:55] <jml> there are some interesting things that come out of this, though
[12:55] <popey> or is that not known yet?
[12:55] <jml> popey: umm... it is known, but I don't actually know off the top of my head
[12:56] <popey> is it public info?
[12:56] <AlanBell> mfraz74: I would suggest trying some other random app
[12:57] <popey> or commercially sensitive canonical info?
[12:57] <jml> I don't know :\
[12:57] <popey> (I am not trying to trip you up, just wondering)
[12:57] <mfraz74> AlanBell: OK, I'm trying to build akonadi-facebook now
[12:57] <jml> I'm looking for a public source
[12:57] <AlanBell> not sure who is responsible for developer.ubuntu.com but there shouldn't be tutorials there which don't work
[12:58] <jml> popey: fwiw, you can submit binary blobs now, it's just that someone at Canonical will package them manually for you.
[12:59] <jml> or you can package them yourself, as rickspencer3 did w/ photobomb
[12:59] <popey> AlanBell: previews of upcoming functionality are good though
[13:00] <jml> popey: I can only find internal information, so I'm going to assume it's company-confidential for now. Sorry.
[13:00] <popey> ok, no worries
[13:00] <popey> if/when I get to that point, I'll ask :D
[13:00] <jml> :)
[13:00] <jml> to me, there's interesting stuff that comes out of this
[13:01] <popey> totally
[13:01] <jml> making it easy for commercial apps to get into the software center for stable ubuntu releases is great
[13:01] <jml> but, imo, it's got to be as easy for free apps
[13:01] <popey> http://developer.ubuntu.com/publish/commercial/ lol
[13:01] <jml> yeah :)
[13:01] <popey> we (podcast) should talk to someone about this in an interview
[13:01] <popey> who would be the best person to talk to?
[13:02]  * popey glares at jml
[13:02] <jml> http://developer.ubuntu.com/myapps-packages/ is the only other thing I can think of
[13:02] <MartijnVdS> wow, mono is shiny in oneiric today
[13:02] <jml> popey: me, rickspencer3, maybe Steve George.
[13:03] <popey> shall I mail all three?
[13:03] <popey> or do you want to sort it out amongst yourselves :D
[13:04] <jml> popey: email me & I can do the internal shuffling :)
[13:04] <popey> will do
[13:04] <jml> popey: also, the transcript from my https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WeeklyQandA might be worth reading.
[13:04] <popey> thanks
[13:04] <popey> your first name at ubuntu dot com?
[13:06] <jml> popey: no, that's riddell. :) I'm not an Ubuntu member.
[13:07] <jml> popey: my nick at canonical.
[13:07] <popey> ah, doh :D
[13:07] <daubers> urgh, it's a touch wet outside
[13:07] <HazRPG> and off we go on the android sdk wacky install races!
[13:07] <HazRPG> daubers: hurray for UK weather \o/
[13:08] <HazRPG> hmm, interesting, java 7 just recently got released
[13:10] <daubers> HazRPG: it breaks bits of apache
[13:11] <popey> \o/ Java 1.4.2
[13:11] <HazRPG> does it? How so?
[13:11] <daubers> HazRPG: http://www.developerfusion.com/news/123346/java-7-breaks-apache-projects/
[13:14]  * hoover just wrote his first greasemonkey script, yay ;-) 
[13:29] <TheOpenSourcerer> It is *really* raining here.
[13:30] <MooDoo> lets hope it stays there then :)
[13:31] <popey> oh look, bug 754505
[13:33] <TheOpenSourcerer> Bloody hell - rain getting heavier
[13:41] <daubers> Today I mostly wish to scream
[13:42] <bigcalm> Sun is shining here
[13:42] <bigcalm> This is despite the forecast of heavy rain all day
[13:43] <daubers> bigcalm: It'll be back
[13:48] <daubers> and there it is :)
[13:51]  * daubers needs spotify suggestions
[13:53] <bigcalm> What's your mood?
[13:54] <christel> http://open.spotify.com/track/1Nukcy7xk7AbS7MtkaiOe3
[14:01] <bigcalm> Bouncy
[14:05] <daubers> bigcalm: trying to calm down and not be shouty at really dumb people
[14:18] <hoover> cheers all
[14:20] <bigcalm> daubers: not this then? http://open.spotify.com/track/3iv0TOFQ0dzLhGY4jSSXt0
[14:21] <daubers> bigcalm: Probably not
[14:21]  * bigcalm likes that track a lot
[14:42]  * popey clicks "I have spotify" then "Launch application". Nothing happens
[14:43] <bigcalm> The app launches for me
[14:43] <bigcalm> But never opens the track/album
[14:43] <bigcalm> I have to copy the http url and change it to a spotify:one
[14:43] <bigcalm> That's linux for you, pfft
[14:43] <daubers> popey: snap
[14:57] <bigcalm> WOOP!
[14:57] <bigcalm> New DMSB
[14:57] <daubers> DMSB?
[14:57] <daubers> Domineeringly miniscule suave brother?
[14:57] <bigcalm> Anybody else know? :)
[14:59] <DJones> google throws up a few suggestions http://acronyms.thefreedictionary.com/DMSB The McDonalds sounds the best option :)
[14:59] <bigcalm> It's a podcast
[14:59] <bigcalm> Hopefully that'll narrow it down
[15:02] <bigcalm> David Mitchell's SoapBox
[15:04] <popey> ooo
[15:30]  * daubers needs caffeine
[15:41] <MooDoo> fourstone1!
[15:41] <MooDoo> ooops
[15:41] <MooDoo> lol
[15:43] <livingdaylight> anyone play with the weather screenlet? Seems set to Korea by default and don't see how to change it. In properties there is a zip code dialog, but enterming my postcode returns an error
[16:02] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Jo Shields] Why we mustnt allow smartphones to become a 2 or 3 horse race - http://apebox.org/wordpress/rants/391/
[16:19]  * daubers prods ldap with a stick and runs
[16:20]  * MartijnVdS watches LDAP rise up and eat daubers 
[16:24] <daubers> MartijnVdS: Thats what normally happens when I poke it
[16:28] <bigcalm> ¬.¬
[16:29] <jchristel> i say
[16:29] <bigcalm> I wonder if he's being attacked
[16:30] <bigcalm> Providing services leaves one open for abuse from unhappy people
[16:30] <gord> being attacked doesn't cause you to excess flood surely
[16:30] <bigcalm> That's what I thought, but I'm trying to think back to my ircnet days
[16:31] <bigcalm> I recall a silly attack where you send a butt load of messages to a user and their quit message was usually Excess Flood, rather than Ping Timeout
[16:32] <bigcalm> This was late 90s though
[16:32] <Lcawte> Hmm, wonder if the nvidia-96 driver has been updated yet
[16:35] <popey> er
[16:42] <Myrtti> tsktsk
[16:46] <Myrtti> looks like it's stable now
[16:50] <bigcalm> Is there a block select in Eclipse?
[16:53] <andypiper> I thought so
[16:53]  * andypiper tries to remember how to invoke
[16:54] <andypiper> alt+shift+a toggle?
[16:54] <bigcalm> Turns out it was quicker to do it by hand than to find the key combo
[16:54] <andypiper> lol
[16:54] <andypiper> soz
[16:54] <bigcalm> No worries ;)
[16:55] <bigcalm> But, it's good to have for future needs, thanks :)
[16:55] <andypiper> i think that's it, might be editor-specific though
[16:56] <bigcalm> alt+shift+a worked for me
[16:58] <Myrtti> Azelphur: connection problems? or trying a new silly IRC client?
[17:04] <popey> bah!
[17:08] <hamitron> indeed
[17:09] <hamitron> what would make a chroot jail running bash, close?
[17:09] <MartijnVdS> hamitron: schroot?
[17:09] <MartijnVdS> uhr ait
[17:09] <MartijnVdS> wait
[17:10] <MartijnVdS> hamitron: anything that kills that bash process
[17:10] <hamitron> I was supposed to be compiling stuff and installing in a chroot jail
[17:10] <hamitron> and now I notice I have no jail
[17:10] <hamitron> \o/
[17:10] <MartijnVdS> If I have to manage chroots, I use schroot
[17:10] <MartijnVdS> it's ++
[17:10] <hamitron> k :)
[17:11] <MartijnVdS> hamitron: Debian (and Ubuntu)'s default bashrc has a cool feature for it
[17:11] <MartijnVdS> it shows a marker in your prompt if you are in a schroot-chroot
[17:12] <hamitron> I think I probably used none defaults
[17:12] <hamitron> as lfs instructions say
[17:12] <hamitron> ;)
[17:32] <dwatkins> My prompt has a smiley to reflect success or failure of a command.
[17:33] <MartijnVdS> dwatkins: cool :)
[17:34] <MartijnVdS> dwatkins: how do you do that?
[17:37] <ging> i want a smilie prompt
[17:52] <judgey> omg omg omg i had some nightmears :(
[17:53] <MartijnVdS> and it's not even night!
[17:54] <judgey> tell me about it lol
[17:55] <judgey> anyhow i was in here lastnight, i got a line of code and now i dont know it, i just installed lamp again and phpmyadmin but there was a line of code to make phpmyadmin to work.
[17:55] <MartijnVdS> judgey: isn't it on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/phpMyAdmin ?
[17:58] <judgey> thanks MartijnVdS  ;)
[18:00] <MartijnVdS> \o/
[18:15] <judgey> reinstalling again plz plz be last time
[18:21] <popey> AlanBell: http://twitter.com/#!/JohnPinner/status/104226443424309248
[18:21] <popey> AlanBell: http://twitter.com/#!/rmounce/status/104224474227945472
[18:32] <popey> AlanBell: http://twitter.com/#!/davmor2/status/104257753823969280
[18:32] <popey> :D
[18:33] <davmor2> popey: what's with the LOL on that one  serious options :P
[18:35] <davmor2> popey: oh you down to like 5 meg then
[18:41] <Myrtti> awww, poor popey :-(
[18:49] <MartijnVdS> The UK has bandwidth caps on wired connections?
[18:49] <MartijnVdS> How 1990s ;)
[18:50] <dwatkins> If you pay enough they give you so-called unlimited bandwidth.
[18:50] <dwatkins> Not all ISPs cap in this way, however.
[18:52] <MartijnVdS> We only have it on mobile internet connections here
[18:52] <MartijnVdS> Those used to be "unlimited" but now you get them in 100MB increments for way too much money :(
[19:09] <judgey> can a website run from this path?
[19:10] <judgey> .../home/host2k10/public_html
[19:10] <judgey> i though tit had to be www.
[19:10] <judgey> it
[19:11] <judgey> just playing with somthign and it installed it there
[19:16] <judgey> seems it dose
[19:21] <daubers> Evening
[19:36] <ikonia> directhex: ping
[19:37] <directhex> ikonia, i don't wanna hear it -__
[19:37] <directhex> -_-
[19:37] <ikonia> I've still not heard it
[19:37] <ikonia> you are breaking it to me, I've just sent a text to a collegue
[19:38] <directhex> i informed my colleagues too. we're contractors working on touchpad!
[19:38] <ikonia> I sat in a meeting on Friday of last week with the product manager
[19:38] <ikonia> nothing was hinted at at all
[19:38] <mgdm> directhex: eek :/
[19:38] <ikonia> stern faced he said "all on track"
[19:39] <ikonia> directhex: I'm sorry
[19:39] <ikonia> tomorrow will be interesting for me now
[19:40] <directhex> ikonia, my pre3 shipped from the palm webstore 30 minutes ago! >_<
[19:40] <ikonia> whoaaaa
[19:40] <ikonia> now that stings
[19:41] <andylockran> hey guys
[19:42] <bigcalm> Hola
[19:43] <andylockran> I could do with some advice, I want to parse a html file using python
[19:43] <dutchie> beautifulsoup
[19:43] <ali1234> dont use regexps
[19:43] <andylockran> i.e. the page is a 'structured' report
[19:43] <andylockran> I'm having issues with BeautifulSoup printing chinese :)
[19:46] <ali1234> set the encoding on your strings
[19:47] <andylockran> ali1234: how to do?
[19:47] <andylockran> I'll dpaste my code
[19:48] <ali1234> print mystring.encode('utf8')
[19:48] <andylockran> http://paste.debian.net/126651/
[19:48] <ali1234> don't forget to paste the error message as well
[19:49] <andylockran> ali1234:
[19:49] <andylockran> I don't get an error message
[19:50] <andylockran> if I uncomment the prettify command
[19:50] <ali1234> s is an object
[19:50] <ali1234> use the methods
[19:53] <andylockran> ok
[19:54] <andylockran> http://pastebin.com/Gxmjq5dt
[19:54] <andylockran> ali1234: can you explain why that works, and mine doesn't?
[19:55] <ali1234> not unless you show me the dods.html
[19:55] <ali1234> and the way you invoke the script
[19:56] <ali1234> if you don't get an error message, how do you know it doesn't work?
[19:56] <andylockran> ali1234: it prints a load of unicode stuff
[19:56] <ali1234> why is that wrong?
[19:58] <andylockran> dunno
[19:58] <andylockran> i expected 'prettify' to print it out indented like that example I pasted showed it
[20:00] <ali1234> and what does it print instead?
[20:01] <andylockran> loads of lines of \xe0\xa0....etc
[20:02] <andylockran> http://dpaste.com/597597/
[20:02] <andylockran> thats the tail of the output
[20:03] <ali1234> that's not unicode
[20:03] <ali1234> how do you invoke the script?
[20:07] <ali1234> i suspect your html file is gzipped or something
[20:09] <andylockran> it looks normal enough to me
[20:09] <mgdm> that's not necessarily unicode
[20:09] <mgdm> just looks like the script is outputing hex values instead of the actual chars
[20:09] <mgdm> could be fixed with a one-liner in PHP, or some such
[20:13] <mgdm> andylockran: you get PM?
[20:16] <mgdm> ali1234: it is Unicode, just UTF-16LE
[20:17] <ali1234> this is why i asked how the script was invoked
[20:18] <ali1234> the only way this can happen in python is if it totally failed to understand the encoding of the input file
[20:18] <mgdm> I think it has a broken BOM at the start of it
[20:18] <mgdm> there's certainly something iconv can't understand, then a broken MS Office header thing
[20:39] <bernhard2> cant seem to enable tls on exim4 anybody want to shed some light on my issues ?
[20:43] <popey> directhex: any regrets? http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/08/18/hp_kills_webos_tablets_and_phones/
[20:45] <directhex> popey, a deep sadness, but it's the company's money that went on the pre3, not mine
[20:45] <popey> it's bonkers
[20:45] <directhex> i can fire up a new contract on some android bullshit whenever i like
[20:45] <popey> utter madness
[20:47] <ali1234> http://dilbert.com/fast/2011-08-16/
[21:05] <ali1234> popey: http://www.gizmag.com/popemobile-auction/19440/
[21:06] <popey> I get that a lot
[21:06] <ali1234> heh
[21:25] <Azelphur> popey: you get throttled for 40GB/day?
[21:26] <AlanBell> popey: a new version of openERP was released today as well
[21:26]  * bigcalm wishes his could understand his client's requirements
[21:26] <bigcalm> Sod it, time for some MC
[21:26]  * Azelphur did 600GB last month :D
[21:26] <Azelphur> did like 38GB in one day got no complaints
[21:27] <ali1234> you don't get a warning on VM, it's a secret cap
[21:27] <AlanBell> 28MB for the server and 1.1MB for the client
[21:27] <Azelphur> secret cap ftw
[21:27] <ali1234> throttling only lasts 1 day anyway
[21:27] <ali1234> well, that's how it worked when it was called NTL anyway
[21:28] <ali1234> i haven't used them since then
[21:28] <Azelphur> This is why I like Sky, they have no caps or throttling that I know about
[21:29] <Azelphur> and I hit it pretty heavily.
[21:31] <mgdm> popey: did I see you say that Apache had OOMed again?
[21:33] <Azelphur> I pay for 24mbit and actually get around 12mbit, I average 20GB/day and I've seen no throttling/letters/... from sky :D
[21:33] <Azelphur> so they seem to live up to their "really no FUP" advertising
[21:33] <Laney> that's a lot of linux isos
[21:33] <Azelphur> indeed, lots of Linux isos :p
[21:33] <Laney> maybe some creative commons licensed music in there too?
[21:33] <Azelphur> sure, and movies
[21:33] <ali1234> oneiric had 200mb of updates today
[21:34] <Azelphur> have you seen the yes men, it's awesome :D
[21:34] <ali1234> and 300mb the day before
[21:34] <ali1234> i don't even use it
[21:34] <ali1234> i only keep it updated so that i can test my bugs
[21:35] <ali1234> over and over and over again
[21:35] <ali1234> yes, this bug has not been fixed
[21:35] <ali1234> yes, my system is up to date
[21:44] <andylockran> ali1234: I got quite a big further with BeautifulSoup :)
[21:44] <andylockran> I've been able to parse a few tags,
[21:44] <andylockran> Thanks for your help
[21:45] <andylockran> http://paste.debian.net/126667/
[21:48] <dlssss> hi
[21:49] <dlssss> libnet-akamai-perl This package provides a perl module to interact with Akamai CCUAPI to handle multiple purge requests. ne ideas what this is
[21:49] <dlssss> on software centre
[21:49] <mgdm> You very probably don't need it
[21:50] <mgdm> Akamai are a content-delivery network - effectively a very large caching system for websites - that package lets you tell them to clear things from their cache
[21:50] <dlssss> right
[21:50] <dlssss> the thing is..
[21:51] <dlssss> when i open firefox in gnome and check firestarter log, alot of ips open up with dns of akamaitechnologies
[21:51] <mgdm> Yup
[21:51] <dlssss> is this normal
[21:51] <mgdm> lots of websites use Akamai to handle their images
[21:51] <dlssss> so even just on google search homepage its usual to have a few ips pointing to akamai
[21:52] <mgdm> You'll see a lot of "llnw.net", too - that's Limelight, who do similar things
[21:52] <mgdm> it wouldn't surprise me
[21:52] <dlssss> is saw something like  -in-f101e or something like that
[21:52] <dlssss> as dns
[21:52] <mgdm> they have thousands of machines, so they have funny names
[21:52] <dlssss> ah ok then thanks
[21:53] <dlssss> one of their dns is on a blacklist sight
[21:53] <dlssss>  so panicked
[21:53] <dlssss> i know a few things but alot i dont so thanks for help
[21:53] <mgdm> it's probably that they ended up, by accident, storing some content that was 'bad'
[21:53] <dlssss> ok ta for that then
[21:53] <mgdm> but if you block Akamai you'll block much of the Web :)
[21:54] <mgdm> No bother
[21:54] <dlssss> just interesting also to find out these hidden companies that must have alot of power on web
[21:54] <dlssss> would never have known. there you go. ta ta :)
[22:38] <sg> anybody about?
[22:39] <StevenR> yes?
[22:39] <hamitron> about what?
[22:39] <hamitron> :)
[22:39] <sg> about this channel ^^
[22:39] <sg> this isn't specifically ubuntu-related but this is the only channel i could think of that has a predominantly british userbase
[22:40] <sg> basically i'm a soon-to-be american university student, but im curious about studying computer science at durham or another uni in the UK
[22:40] <sg> i was wondering what the job prospects look like in the UK after graduation for CS majors, and how it compares to other countries like the US
[22:43] <directhex> sg: the job market isn't great right now, anywhere
[22:43] <directhex> better for tech people than non-tech people, though
[22:48] <sg> directhex: what about starting salaries and the like
[22:48] <StevenR> depends massively on the role
[22:49] <directhex> sg: depends on what you want to go into. i think good programmers get something in the mid-high 20k range, excluding london, as a reasonable starting point
[22:49] <sg> software engineer i suppose