[01:13] so i swapped the hard drive out of my neighbors computer [01:13] it ran fine for a day [01:13] now its shutting itself off again [01:14] i figured to replace it no matter since it was making horrible clicking sounds [01:14] did you back it up? [01:14] so... im taking a stab in the dark and bought a new power supply for him. [01:14] $17 got me a 400w [01:14] no shipping, no tax :) [01:16] that wouldn't affect the hd would it? [01:16] thats a realy good price? [01:16] howd you do so good :) [01:16] pricewatch.com [01:16] ive always gone there to find the lowest deals [01:17] they are just a site linking to other websites deals [01:17] are you sure it was the hdd making noise? [01:17] yeah [01:17] but there was a slight sound from inside the power supply after i switched the HD [01:18] im wondering if some capacitor was dying inside the power supply [01:20] so i figured 17 bucks is worth a shot [01:23] the only thing ledft is the motherboard, and im not messing with it [01:28] please excuse me, i must read my latest Martha Stewart issue [01:37] ^ yes!!!! [01:39] I have a stack.... Martha Stewart Living, Cooks Illustrated, Cigar Aficionado, and This Old House. I havent sat down in months to just sit and read some articles [01:39] Martha and I go way back :) [01:39] I have the last 15 years of issues [01:41] Cooks is by far the best recipe mag ive ever seen. no ads at all [02:47] does anyone here know debian at all [02:47] or network manager? [02:58] debian sure, network manager no [02:59] "knowing debian" is mostly about the same as knowing ubuntu, minus all the ubuntu desktoppy stuff [03:27] hey DarkwingDuck! whats up :) === bkerensa_ is now known as bkerensa [17:46] pleia2: http://imgur.com/k1Q6m <-- they arrived [17:46] :D [17:47] bkerensa: no Ubuntu font? :) [17:47] Can I get source and pricing info from you? [17:48] I was trying to be eco conscious :P [17:48] source & pricing info? [17:48] CustomInk printed them and they cost $174 with free overnight shipping for 8 shirts [17:49] reason for high cost is because we got some large sizes :D [17:49] we didnt pay for them though ;) [17:49] Yup, I'm trying to source sizes for Ubucon shirts in 2012. [17:49] Err, not sizes. Suppliers. [17:49] CustomInk ;) they are ok.... I dont like the fact they dont have a login system but a lot of companies use them :D [17:50] I suggest CustomInk, Printfection [17:50] nhaines: Where will Ubucon be? [17:51] bkerensa: First day of SCaLE10X in Los Angeles. [17:51] ugh [17:52] horrible location :P [17:52] LA is too darn hot [17:52] Awesome location! [17:52] and traffic is epic [17:52] not in january [17:52] it was chilly [17:52] Then I might do a standalone one over the summer. [17:52] =o [17:52] traffic still epic in winter though :D [17:52] Or maybe fall. But 2012 should see a standalone one. :) [17:52] it's right next to the airport [17:52] you don't even go into the city [17:52] There's never any traffic near LAX. [17:53] pleia2: Cool... :D [17:53] * pleia2 should go to LA for real some time [17:53] nhaines: Yeah no traffic I have done LAX so many times [17:53] pleia2: Someday the west coast locos should do some big get together :D [17:53] CA, WA, OR [17:53] Traffic *getting to* LAX is epic. [17:55] akk: Yeah thats what I was saying if you drive from like SF down to LA... Expect epic traffic [17:56] bkerensa: ah, I assumed you'd be flying to LA from where you are [17:56] The drive down to LA isn't bad -- it's just the getting-to-LAX part that is. [17:57] pleia2: No way.... I hate planes :D [17:57] I do the LA drive (to Burbank) waay too often these days -- it's long but not very trafficky. [17:57] or, in other words, traffic is fine except I-405 is a hellhole. [17:57] But getting down 405 is just crazy, always stop-and-go. [17:57] rww: yesterday the I-5N was at a standstill from Mission Viejo up past Whittier. [17:58] No idea why, really, but hey, it's only a 35 mile stretch. [17:58] Yeah, I-5 through Orange Co is even worse than 405, or used to be. [17:58] I used to go down to Long Beach [17:58] akk: they widened the 5, though, so now more cars can not move. [17:58] from San Francisco [17:58] It's way too narrow for the amount of traffic it has to carry. [17:58] nhaines: I never really dealt with that side of LA, thankfully :P [17:58] ah, that's good [17:59] akk: some day they might even finish fixing Beach Blvd. from the construction. :D [18:00] I used to go around on 605 or 57, anything to avoid 5 through Orange Co [18:00] * bkerensa doesnt comprehend how so many people in locos can afford to jet out to every conference or con [18:00] too costly [18:00] driving [18:01] ok well what about pass cost thats a couple grand a pop [18:01] even if you got a corporate job they arent going to pay for all of them :P [18:01] Pass cost? [18:01] pass cost? You mean the cost of the conference? Not all conferences are big expensive O'Reilly things. [18:02] That reminds me, I need to request time off for SCaLE10X. [18:02] :D [18:02] garg [18:03] I've never had my work fight me about them. Even my Ubuntu Community Week session I was able to just take an early lunch. [18:03] Well like I know on of the WA loco people has hit like a few cons this year even out of country [18:03] that gets spendy [18:04] i have not gone to OR or WA for a con. much cheaper that way. [18:04] I really wanted to apply for sponsorship for UDS this time around. :( [18:04] sn9: OSCON is for the win... [18:05] I can only afford to go to far-away conferences if I'm speaking and getting expenses paid. [18:05] Some people have employers that pay. [18:06] the only time i went to oscon was when it was in CA [18:06] the only expensive conference I've been to was the open source business conference, and I got in free by volunteering at the local user groups table [18:06] That was so lovely, having OSCON in SJ. Wish they'd do that again [18:06] but I guess people whined about not liking SJ as much as Portland. [18:06] I always get into SCaLE for free. Used to be for the Ubuntu booth, but now it's for Ubucon and/or speaking. :D [18:07] mostly I get sponsorships, when I went to Fosscon they paid for part of my hotel and we used B1G1 airline tickets my fiance gets from his credit card to get there, so total trip to philly was under $1000 incl meals [18:07] Oh right... I forgot about credit card points! :D [18:07] :) [18:07] akk: No con should be in SJ.... horrible venue which is why O'Reilly didnt do it their again :D [18:08] bkerensa: What's wrong with it? [18:08] hmph! [18:08] My last vacation was minus almost $150 because of that... I should look into that again. [18:08] akk: Attendance was low and the facilities are far more expensive then Portland [18:08] I need to get a credit card that does cash back. Mine is lame. [18:09] Ubuntu Cali should roadtrip to OSCON next year [18:09] :D [18:09] oscon is far too expensive for me [18:09] I finally got offered an honorarium for speaking this year. :D [18:09] Attendance was low? Didn't know that, seemed as busy as most OSCONs. [18:09] pleia2: Even if you got a free pass? [18:09] and limited value career-wise, so I'd need to take vacation time for it (LISA and Ubuntu Dev Summits are ok) [18:09] I'd love to have that more often, but I'd also gladly speak anywhere in the world just for travel and board accomodation. [18:09] bkerensa: time off of work, plus travel and hotel makes it too expensive even if I could get in free [18:09] (let the conferences in the tropics take note) [18:10] Yeah, the travel and time off is expensive. [18:10] pleia2: Make MarkDude take you next year :) he also has some friends up here who let them couchsurf [18:10] Yeah, I couldn't afford the time off to go to UDS at this time of year, even if I were sponsored. [18:10] bkerensa: oh, next year is totally impossible, I am already taking too much vacation time [18:10] pleia2: If not we can setup a cot behind the booth? [18:10] pleia2: oh [18:10] speak of the devil [18:10] :D [18:11] * pleia2 is not sure how she'll make 4 weeks of vacation happen with 2 weeks given... [18:11] might have to take some unpaid time off for my honeymoon [18:11] maybe convince my boss that 5 years == 3 weeks of vacation time per year :) [18:11] that at least gets me close [18:11] pleia2: claim bereavement leave! [18:12] pleia2: because eating ramen on your honeymoon would make you very sad. [18:12] nhaines: mourning my singleness? [18:12] oh, hehe [18:12] fortunately we cashed in some goog stock before the market took a nose dive, so we should be ok as far as wedding and honeymoon expenses themselves [18:12] pleia2: My lady got a $2 an hour raise the other day.... now she just needs to rack up more vacation time then its airbnb time :D [18:12] airbnb? [18:13] yeah [18:13] yay [18:13] * bkerensa cashed his GOOG shares in way to early in 2005 [18:13] :( [18:13] my fiance works there, so we get more each year [18:13] I need to get into the market during a huge crash. [18:14] pleia2: Oh cool... I got mine during IPO [18:14] pleia2: Very small amount 10 shares [18:14] ah [18:14] oh wow, goog is at 505 [18:15] we sold last month at 610 (high was about 620) [18:15] nice [18:15] I got like 209 or something per share [18:16] ETF is for the win though... no more stocks [18:16] we did a stock game in high school, early 1999 [18:16] I liked computers so I invested in all kinds of tech stocks, including yahoo, I made a virtual killing :) [18:16] yahoo split twice during the class, it was crazy [18:16] heh, funny! [18:17] I did Yahoo during my stocks game in high school (in 2005 :P) and made a bunch off it too [18:17] well, "made" [18:18] after looking at my portfolio the teacher had to explain to us that the tech boom was "not normal" :) [18:18] My mom's in an investment club, and they held microsoft for years while she constantly tried to talk them into dropping it, but some of them just loved it. [18:18] "you won't actually make 1000% back in normal times [18:18] She finally got them to drop it, but it lost a lot during the time they resisted. [18:18] I can imagine [18:18] MS kinda failed at innovation in the 00s [18:19] And in earlier decades too :) but usually they managed to buy other companies to make up the difference. [18:19] I should probably pretend to invest in stocks while I don't have money so I know how to invest once I do. [18:20] there are lots of nifty sites and stuff for tracking it, it's fun :) [18:20] Probably more fun as a game than when you have real money invested. :) [18:20] haha, probably true! [18:20] hehe, yeah [18:20] With actual money, mostly it's just depressing unless you're in a bubble. [18:21] unless you're winning! ;) [18:21] I was on a site for pretending to invest in Bitcoin for a while. I can confirm that was less annoying than reality :P [18:21] ING keeps harrassing me about a ShareBuilder account. [18:21] I should've gotten in on the Bitcoin bubble when I first thought about it. [18:21] nhaines: You mean soon-to-be Capital One? :P [18:21] Because at 33 USD / bitcoin I would totally have sold. [18:22] jyo: not listening. :P [18:23] nhaines: I think one could easily have identical ubuntu shirts printed for cheaper than Canonical sells unsure why price is so high [18:24] because England [18:24] lol [18:24] things are more expensive there in general [18:24] I thought those looters might have looted my shirt [18:24] :D [18:25] pleia2: yup. plus shipping (assuming they still ship worldwide from Europe) [18:25] yeah, shipping is killer [18:25] Well the shirts dont even come from Canonical [18:25] atleast mine didnt [18:25] they use a vendor, but it still ships out of england [18:25] it came from the UK but came from some promo company that I guess Canonical lets handle the stuff [18:26] bkerensa: they come from a third-party fulfillment company and also they make money off of them. [18:26] they had a US vendor for about a year, but eventually shut it down (probably wasn't getting enough business) [18:26] =o [18:27] $16 for a t-shirt and $26 for a polo shirt isn't really expensive IMO. [18:27] well Jono had the shirt sent to me as a thanks which was nice of him :D [18:27] nhaines: Not expensive for a consumer price but for a wholesale it is [18:27] bkerensa: they don't sell wholesale. [18:27] nhaines: I was thinking it would be cheaper for a loco to print their own in the long run [18:28] bkerensa: you said you were unsure why Canonical's retail store prices were so high. [18:28] bkerensa: you have to be careful though, canonical owns the trademark so you can't just go printing plain ubuntu shirts [18:28] they tend to look the other way with loco and event specific ones [18:28] Did I miss the boat on the last ubuntu-us-ca t-shirt order? [18:28] haha, LeechBlock is awesome. It's stopped me from going to reddit about 20 times already today :P [18:28] jyo: we haven't found a new vendor yet [18:28] pleia2: True [18:28] Ah. [18:29] pleia2: Well the person who responded to trademark@ubuntu.com said if its not commercial then its good to go [18:29] bkerensa: yeah, if you're just giving them away it's cool [18:29] yeah [18:30] they are not for sale [18:30] just for people who attend stuff [18:30] :D [18:30] still, if you did some massive online giveaway they might get annoyed :) [18:30] yeah [18:30] I dont see that happening [18:30] too expensive [18:30] :P [18:32] break over, back to work [18:32] yay [18:39] hey! rww, whats up! you got 2 seconds? [18:40] philipballew: sure [18:41] hey! I was curious, as you seemd to know about feeds of blogs or just you showed me what I was doing wrong last night. why my name on http://planet.ubuntu.com/ is not linkable [18:42] * philipballew actually bloged but it wasn't there when i wwoke up. [18:42] if you dont know its cool [18:43] Planet claims "408: request timeout", but I have no idea why it's doing that. I'll look into it in a few minutes. [18:44] oh, its no problem. but do whatever you want. if you understand it better and wanna then thanks :) [18:45] (the #ubuntu bots started nagging right after you asked) [18:45] for what channel? [18:46] umm, #ubuntu [18:46] anyways, sorted. I'll go look more in-depth now. [18:48] sweet! [18:49] I think it might be related to the https link. [18:49] I thought that too, but there are other https:// sites on there that work. Worth a try, though. [18:49] Also, on the instructions on PlanetUbuntu that you didn't read: [18:49] "WordPress.com users: RSS2 feeds have a small problem and atom feeds seem to change time stamp on update, so you need to add ?mrss=off to the end of the RSS2 feed. Example http://blog.site.com/category/ubuntu/feed/?mrss=off" [18:49] No other wordpress https:// links that I can see, and Firefox tells me it's not encrypted anyway. [18:49] I did read rww [18:49] philipballew: given that you're using Wordpress.com and not using the right URL... :P [18:50] rww: maybe he means he was trying to break Planet. :P [18:50] i can accsess my link i pasted from my browser :) [18:50] philipballew: and? [18:50] and therefor if i can access my link the server running plannet can to? [18:50] but yeah, I'd change it to http://philipballew.wordpress.com/feed/?mrss=off and see if that helps [18:51] philipballew: PlanetUbuntu is stupid, I wouldn't assume that [18:51] haha. alright. ill see what that does. what does mrss mean anyway. the instructions were odd [18:52] philipballew: it works around a bug in Wordpress feeds that break Planet. [18:52] I really need to get around to Wordpressifying my website. Maybe I will do that today. [18:52] Specifically the way Media RSS feeds work (or don't). [18:53] I need to Djangoize mine. [18:53] But it's not happening today. :P [18:53] nerd! [18:53] https is much netter then http [18:53] philipballew: under what circumstances? [18:53] https versus http is completely immaterial for the current scenario. [18:53] If anything, it's a waste of CPU time [18:53] rww: that's what I was thinking. [18:54] Of course, Wordpress seems to be lying about offering SSL-encrypted content via HTTPS RSS feeds, so maybe not. :) [18:54] On the other hand, that seems to be breaking Planet. [18:54] nhaines, its much more secure for any browsing you do. rww the cpu power is worth it for the security i get [18:55] That would be relevant at all if anyone cared about people seeing that they go to your blog. [18:55] And only if they cared about people seeing the specific page the go to on your blog. [18:55] This is also the reason I don't have HTTPS on my webserver :) [18:55] you never know who is watching :) [18:55] rww: mine's because I have to pay extra for the certificate and IP address. :) [18:56] philipballew: even if someone were watching between Planet Ubuntu and your blog, it wouldn't matter. [18:56] nhaines: I use Linode, so the latter's already covered. [18:56] rww: Ah, nice. :) [18:56] i have https everywhere installed in firefox [18:56] yeah, i just like to take protection for everything [18:58] It's fine to misuse HTTPS on your own system but it's not always appropriate for intraserver communication. [19:01] yeah, it's actually wordpress.com whose CPU you're using, not so much your own [19:01] Wordpress and the Planet Ubuntu backend, too. [19:01] yeah [19:09] Just wanted to say that Brasero works fine now for copying cds. thanks. [19:15] wow stock market is tanking [19:16] again? lawd. [19:16] yeah [19:16] =o [19:16] I continue to be glad I never bought stock. [19:17] * rww thinks Google Finance should change their favicon from an upwards-trending graph to a downwards-trending one [19:31] Just flip the graphic 180* [20:00] jledbetter: Thanks for the heads up [20:00] DarkwingDuck: My pleasure :) [20:00] XD Even if it is on site... I have family in the San Fran area. [20:01] HP killed WebOS [20:01] :D [20:02] code camp? [20:02] DarkwingDuck: Oh, good :) And, SF area rocks, and whatnot. Not biased or anything ;) [20:02] pleia2: a Mozilla job. [20:02] ah ok :) [20:02] code camp! [20:02] they're hiring sysadmins, but they're a redhat/centos shop :( [20:03] pleia2: Tech Writer :D [20:03] Also a couple of community jobs. [20:03] Speaking of... Anyone seen Jono? [20:03] not much lately [20:03] Bugger. [20:03] pleia2: does Wordpress have a changelog or something with a list of fixed CVEs? I'm trying to figure out how exactly out of date Debian/Ubuntu's packages of it are. [20:04] rww: checking [20:04] rww: Natty? [20:04] i emailed jono 4 weeks ago, has yet to respond [20:05] rww: Would this help at all? http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=wordpress&searchon=names&suite=natty§ion=all [20:05] DarkwingDuck: no, I already know about Ubuntu and Debian's side of things. I'm wondering about Wordpress's. [20:05] ahhh [20:06] philipballew: jono's email account is a black hole, from what I hear [20:06] he needs a secretary or something maybe rww [20:06] rww: argh, nothing simple (side note: I hate trac) [20:06] pleia2: okays, so there's not something I'm missing. I ended up hitting trac too :( [20:07] The SVN repository wouldn't help... would it? [20:07] not unless they check it in with the CVE number [20:07] Nope. :( [20:08] pleia2: hrm, maybe the CVE people have something useful [20:08] rww: http://codex.wordpress.org/CVEs but I suspect it's not kept up to date [20:08] nope, there are CVEs from 2011 [20:08] and not all the vulns are published CVEs, they find and fix a lot internally [20:09] meh, screw it. I'll just use the .tar.gz [20:09] so striclty policy-wise, debian doesn't have to fix them but they may exist [20:09] for php webapps I pretty much don't trust packages that ship with distros, it's sad [20:09] yeah, I'm really lazy today and didn't want to go outside the package manager, but it seems like that isn't a sane idea [20:10] keeping it updated if you don't want to turn on an ftp server on your system is a pain, but I do it [20:10] rww: http://web.nvd.nist.gov/view/vuln/search-results?query=wordpress&search_type=all&cves=on [20:10] upgrades tend to work well, and I do nightly sql backups on my systems anyway [20:11] I think there is a plugin that allows you to easily backup the database before upgrades too [20:15] rww: Not sure if that is 100% what you are looking for but, it seems to be up to date with CVEs [20:16] a changelog that lists $release fixed CVE-1, CVE-2, blah blah would be optimal [20:32] Hmm [20:32] I need to help @UbuntuUser out [20:34] PSA: Ubuntu Weekly News needs help finding articles and writing summaries and such on a regular basis. If you have a little bit of free time and want to pitch in, #ubuntu-news has all the details :) [20:34] rww: I did my first summary writing of a few this weekend. Not bad at all! [20:35] =o [20:36] pleia2: Can I PM? [20:37] bkerensa: yeah [20:44] pleia2: if you don't go the FTPd route, do you have to do the whole "untar new tarball, delete some directories, copy over things from tarball unpack", thing, or is there a third way? [20:44] rww: no third way [20:44] pleia2: fun. Does the FTPd need to be world-accessible, or just localhost-accessible? [20:45] rww: just localhost, so it's not so bad [20:45] I am offended by the idea of running an ftp daemon at all ;) [20:45] * pleia2 being difficult [20:45] yeah, I'm gonna not do that for now and see how it goes [20:47] Anyone have a sample Community resume? [20:49] rww: You could just wget latest.tar.gz from a shell. [20:50] jyo: yes, I know [21:01] oh wow. from the top of a Wordpress documentation site page: "Please, do not edit this Codex Page with the settings for your own server as you are giving the world access to your website's MySQL password, and will not make your install work. Thanks." [21:01] People are silly :( [21:03] Don't use the example security keys for config.php, rww. :P [21:05] rww: lol, wow :) [21:07] rww: prolly the BART webdevs doing that [21:07] pleia2: LOL [21:09] rww: bwahaha :) [21:13] oh, nice. none of Wordpress's files are named the same as my existing site's, so I can throw them in the same directory and transition things over instead of breaking things immediately. [21:14] not_breaking_things++ [21:17] haha, pleia2's on my Wordpress dashboard :P [21:17] Don't forget to enable the Hello Dolly plugin! [21:25] rww: incoming link? [21:25] pleia2: yup [21:26] :) [21:38] MArkDude: You wouldn't happen to have that hackergotchi you made me a while back, would you? [21:38] I doo [21:38] It is a broken Ubuntu install [21:39] * MArkDude is redoing his drive and only keeping 2 Fedora, 1 ubuntu , and one Win7 install [21:39] It is on the Ubuntu I need to kill- I have 50G of media on there- so it is taking a while to backup [21:39] I need Windows 7 for school now, so I have everything apart from it in VirtualBox. Works rather well, but it's a mess from a software freedom POV. [21:40] rww, I do have it tho- maybe next week- if not sooner [21:40] MArkDude: okays, thanks :) [21:40] np [21:41] win7? [21:41] waaah? [21:41] =o [21:41] iknorite [21:41] MarkDude: You need to ditch the zero (fedora) and get right with the hero (Ubuntu) [21:41] :D [21:42] Be nice, Fedora is a perfectly good distro. But you should switch to Debian anyway. [21:42] Sure, once Ubuntu starts paying form my travel expenses, and droppiing $ for release parties. [21:43] Fedora pays for travel expenses? Screw this, I'm hopping over to RPM :D [21:43] Ubuntu is great for FOSS in general [21:43] Fedora makes you feel like one of the Ney York Yankeess [21:44] Or at least Darth Vader in those badass ships- sure its evil Empire- but they throw good parties [21:44] RHEL are the Yankees and Fedora is their Triple-A affiliate? [21:44] Sure [21:45] MarkDude: See how long that lasts [21:45] We still get access to orbiting laser satelite, even if we are AA afiliate [21:45] It's doing pretty well so far, though I had a lot of reservations about Fedora's corporate tie in the past. [21:45] MarkDude: Yet they shut down free blogs for project members :P [21:45] They always screw up [21:45] and will continue to do so [21:46] After redhats ceo's recent statement I'm certain a shakeup will come [21:46] :D [21:46] But will always admit mistakes and move on [21:46] As long as they don't mandate a silly UI on Fedora that no other distro is using because the CEO has delusions of design competence... ;) [21:46] lol [21:46] Stay tuned for local developements [21:47] rww: it's called GNOME Shell. [21:47] nhaines: "that no other distro is using" [21:47] rww: maybe OpenSuSE uses it now? [21:47] they do [21:47] nhaines: also, Fedora/RedHat work upstream. Ubuntu/Canonical didn't for Unity, and neither making your own upstream nor failing miserably at talking to GNOME properly count. [21:48] Unity *is* an upstream project. :P [21:48] Ayatana is ridiculous and I laugh at people that bring it up :P [21:49] Talking to Gnome= the sound of one hand clapping, imho [21:49] MArkDude: How's Fedora's KDE spin? any experience with it? [21:49] As far as GNOME is concerned, I think the change from GNOME Shell as pictured in, say, the Official Ubuntu Book for 10.04 LTS and GNOME Shell a month after Unity was announced pretty much speaks for itself. [21:50]