[00:37] Cheesehead: are you here right now? [00:37] Cheesehead: can I /query you with my cell number, can you call me? I had an emergency at work and won't be available tonight [00:38] Yo [00:38] My goal was to basically go over the agenda, remind people about artwork, but that was it [00:38] Want me to handle it for you? [00:38] but I can't be there (I have to leave this location and will be without internets for a bit) [00:38] Cheesehead: are you comfortable in doing that? [00:38] Yes [00:38] Cheesehead: I'll /query you my number, if you need to call for any reason [00:38] Cheesehead: I super-appreciate it [00:39] Cheesehead: if you don't need anything else, feel free [00:39] Not a problem. No real need for your number. I forsee nothing critical that cannot wait [00:39] and please express my apologies for not being able to attend [00:39] ;) [00:40] okay, I have to cruise. Some work was done without quality control, we're on a tight deadline, and I have to go put out an inferno. [00:40] Good luck with it! [00:40] Yeah... [00:40] Peace all. [00:57] Wisconsin LoCo Gloabl Jam Planning meeting in three minutes [00:57] ping douglasawh-deskt, KBme, lostson, mikeputnam, nickmoeck, ripps [00:58] good evening [00:58] just walked in n [00:58] Wisconsin LoCo Global Jam Planning meeting in three minutes [00:58] i cant stay my wife has to work nights so she is taking a nap and i have to watch the kids will have to catch up later [00:59] lostson: rgr [00:59] Thanks for letting us know! [00:59] wednesdays dont work well for me once the kids are in bed say 930 or so i will be back [01:00] I'm here, just got back [01:00] I don;t call it 'watching the kids'. I just call it 'parenting'. My wife digs that [01:00] yeah must mean i am a bad parent then cause i call it watching [01:00] No, you're just getting the credit you deserve [01:00] er, not getting... [01:01] OK, let's get started [01:01] #startmeeting [01:01] (I know - no bot here) [01:01] h00k had to step out, asked me to chair [01:01] This is the Wisconsin Loco Global Jam Planning Meeting http://loco.ubuntu.com/meetings/ubuntu-us-wisconsin/178/detail/ [01:01] The agenda is in the link [01:02] First up, could everyone active in channel please give some kind of response? [01:02] yo [01:03] geo [01:03] * Cheesehead gazes into the distance, daydreaming for a moment while the responses roll in... [01:03] * bigbash waves [01:04] how does one do that effect? i'm an IRC n00b [01:04] bludude: forward-slash ME blah blah [01:04] ./me then something [01:04] minus the . [01:05] [Topic] Introductions [01:05] * bludude test [01:05] I had a bad connection last time, so I'll lead off... [01:05] I'm Ian, in Milwaukee. [01:05] I've been using Ubuntu since '06 [01:06] I'm not a tech person, just been hanging around for a long time. [01:06] I'm also a moderator for Ubuntu Brainstorm [01:06] Any volunteers to go next? For example, bluedude? [01:07] I'm JC, in Menomonee Falls [01:07] I've been using Ubuntu since '08 [01:07] I'm a tech person; I created the Ubuntu GNOME Remix [01:08] mongo65, want to tell us anything about yourself? [01:08] bludude: hold... [01:08] mongo65 has the floor [01:09] not much to tell im in rhinelander not supper techy been using ubuntu for a few years now [01:10] Thanks... [01:10] Bigbash? Want to say? [01:10] I'm Shawn, from Neenah [01:10] been using Ubuntu sine '08 [01:10] I'm a tech person, I'm on here almost all the time [01:11] well since I found out about this group [01:11] * bludude asks for you to please ignore the bugs in his wifi driver while he finds an ethernet cable [01:11] Thanks, bigbash. Anyone else out there I missed? [01:12] Going once... [01:12] Going twice... [01:12] Gone. [01:12] Fellows, thanks a lot for... [01:12] participating tonight. [01:13] [Topic] Global Jam Overview [01:13] We covered a lot of ground last week. [01:13] We have a definite Ubuntu Hour in MKE on Sept 2 [01:13] We have a couple possible IRC events on the agenda... [01:14] Anyone want to add to the possibles?... [01:14] And then we can gauge interest? [01:14] I am interested in the IRC events, but will probably not attend the Ubuntu hour [01:15] Ditto, most interested in the bug event [01:15] Sept 2nd holiday weekend [01:16] Welcome, Yotux. True, holiday un the USA [01:16] That will hurt us a bit [01:17] But still an opportunity to get together, even if just IRC [01:17] For most of us [01:17] Floor is open for [IDEAS]. Doe anybody want to propose an event for Sept 2-4? [01:17] That' [01:17] That's not already on the agenda? [01:19] * Cheesehead bangs the gavel once [01:19] OK, no new proposals. [01:19] Let's look at the ones we already have: [01:19] Bug Triage - anybody here have bug experience? [01:21] Ideally, looking for somebody to volunteer to choose the date/time for an IRC bug jam, and coordinate it... [01:21] I don't but I signed up for BugSquad for a mentor, but haven't heard back yet [01:22] bigbash: I can mentor you a bit. When do you want to do it? [01:22] I'd also like to get involved in bugs [01:22] Let's see some proposals for times on Sept 3 or 4... [01:22] Whenever I'm on all the time, I get a lot of freedom at work and usually after 9pm [01:23] How about Sept 4 (Sunday) 12:00 - 15:00 CDT? [01:23] Works for me [01:24] bludude? OK time? [01:24] probably [01:24] Sound like it could work [01:25] bigbash: Will you take charge of announcing it to the list? === nathan_ is now known as yotux [01:25] Sure [01:25] Cheesehead: do you have any focus points for this event? [01:26] yotux: Let's send focus ideas though bigbash. [01:26] okay [01:26] bigbash: You okay with that kind of coordination? [01:27] Sure That works for me [01:27] [action] Bigbash to coordinate Sunday Sept 4 IRC Bug Jam [01:28] * Cheesehead is always happy to advise and provide backup [01:28] Next event:... [01:28] Brainstorm idea triage, Sep 3 (Saturday) 12:00-15:00 [01:28] That's my baby. [01:28] Brainstorm is a great way for people who don't... [01:29] know much about Ubuntu's bugs and teams and upstreams and other... [01:29] structures to learn about them. [01:29] I sent an e-mail announcement around. I won't repeat it here. [01:29] I would be willing to be part of your Brainstorm [01:29] Groovy. Thanks [01:30] New to bug reporting have filed a few bugs though [01:30] I'd like to take part too [01:30] same here [01:30] These events are both great ways to stick your toe in the water... [01:30] without committing to deep water. [01:31] OK,... [01:31] * bludude apologizes for being a bit distracted, as he is talking to his mother ATM [01:31] hi friends from my phone [01:31] h00k: hey! [01:31] apologies for bit bring able to chair the meeting [01:31] being [01:31] Let's reopen the floor one last time to new event [IDEA]s. [01:32] meet and greet [01:32] Anyone have a vague interest they would like to see happen? [01:32] maybe Rhinelander or Superior [01:32] not sure where I'll be [01:32] h00k: Cool. Are you committing to an Ubuntu hour in one of those places? [01:32] I'll send an email later clarifying [01:32] perhaps, I may be moving that weekend [01:33] h00k: No problem. UGJ is every six months. [01:33] As you know perfectly well [01:33] ;) [01:33] Floor is still open for any new event proposals... [01:33] ok.gotta ruin [01:33] run [01:34] peace [01:34] h00k: Good luck! [01:34] Going once... [01:34] Going twice... [01:35] * Cheesehead bangs the gavel [01:35] Oh yeah... [01:35] [action] Cheesehaed coordinated Brainstorm Triage [01:35] Last item on the agenda... [01:36] [Topic] T-shirts? (Artwork) [01:36] cool idea [01:36] Some discussion last week, some interest. [01:36] We need some such art. [01:36] Interested no an artist sorry [01:36] T shirt or polo? [01:36] Well, let's stick with artwork for now [01:36] my art skills are rather lacking. I would go for a t-shirt [01:37] Shirt buys at this point are premature without art. [01:37] Art also goes on the website, etc. [01:37] Who has done shirt buys fore for a group? [01:37] Cheesehead: what type of art are you looking for? [01:37] May have some non ubuntu contacts I could tap [01:38] Something cool for a website and a t-shirt [01:38] Maybe a poster [01:38] Something that says UBUNTU and WISCONSIN and COOL [01:39] I suspect we're looking for concepts more than details at this point [01:39] But if someone's friend or talented spouse happens to come through... [01:39] ...that would be great. [01:40] If you have such a friend, and a beer or two to pay them with,... [01:40] then post the result on the mailing list to gather some feedback... [01:40] and we can gauge interest at the next IRC meeting. [01:41] Once we have a concept that a quorum likes, then we can specialize it into shirts and web art, etc. [01:41] I am a ham radio operator. Have a follow radio op that is a photographer. [01:41] yotux: Great! [01:41] Thinking out loud: Ubuntu circle with a twist of wisconsin? [01:42] yotux: Possible. I'd need to see it. [01:42] maybe a cheesehead is the middle? not sure [01:42] yotux: Or a cow. Or a fishing boat. :) [01:42] Canonical doesn't often play nice with mods of the Ubuntu logo, be advised [01:43] bludude: Good point. There are guidelines for that. [01:43] thanks will do some legal work with Canonical [01:43] legal should have been leg [01:44] [action] yotux will research Ubuntu Trademark guidelines for logo use. [01:44] And anyone else, if you have a concept, put it on the mailing list. [01:44] Any problems with that course of action? [01:45] Fair [01:45] * Cheesehead bangs the gavel [01:45] or second action [01:46] Any last meeting business?... [01:46] That was the final agenda topic. [01:46] I don't know h00k's plan for the next meeting date. I know it will go out over the mailing list [01:47] Everyone, thanks again for coming! [01:47] #endmeeting [01:47] Drinks in the atrium [01:47] * bigbash grabs a drink [01:48] yotux: When you figure out the trademark issue, do please put out the relevant result on the mailing list. [01:48] yotux: If you want someone to review a draft, feel free to ping me. [01:48] okay [01:49] bigbash: Thanks for taking charge of the Bug Jam. [01:49] I am stepping away [01:49] No problem [01:49] bigbash: If you have any questions or issue, feel free to ping me! [01:50] I probably will just to be sure i'm covering everything [01:51] yotux, bigbash: we seem to have some good people in this group - if I'm not around, you can probably ping just about anyone for a second opinion. [01:52] General ping: Anyone in the MKE area planning to attend the Sept 2 Ubuntu Hour? [01:52] (I expect probably not the first month. Couple months to get rolling.) [01:53] I could, but I'm 15, can't drive yet, and don't think my parents will be excited to take me to a random place to meet a bunch of internet randoms... [02:02] bludude: Then don't worry about it. That's good sense. [02:03] yep [02:03] bludude: Do you ever make it over to MKE LUG? [02:04] no. I have heard of these mythical LUG things, but I have never seen one in action... [02:05] bludude: They would be more interesting if they served pizza. I can only take an apparmor lecture for so long before I zone out. [02:05] lol [02:05] That's why we're shifting gears toward Ubuntu Hours [02:05] Public place, more social,... [02:06] short enough to bring a spouse or girlfriend along with a good book for an hour. [02:06] Not long enough to get really geeky, [02:06] Or rather the really technical stuff goes over to the side alcoves [02:06] makes sense [02:06] We'll see how it works. [02:07] Sept 2 is an experiment. Never done one before. [02:07] I'm just gonna show up with my little Ubuntu sign slung over the back of my laptop. [02:07] Maybe bring a friend for company. Maybe not. [02:08] I'll do 12 of them (one year), and see if anything takes off. [02:08] If not, try something else [02:14] are we going to try and become an offical loco team [02:15] Yes - I'm sure not doing all these reports for fun! [02:15] Well...maybe a little for fun. [02:16] cheesehead: just asking I see we are not offical yet [02:17] what needs to be done to get us certified, willing to help out [02:17] We need to show mostly that we're not a flash in the pan... [02:18] That we do events that are public-oriented, welcome new users,... [02:18] That we have a large-enough group and leadership to be sustainable... [02:18] That users are feeling fulfilled by participating. [02:19] Everyone has a different idea of what a good, functioning team looks like. But those are the basics. [02:22] The specifics are on the LoCo Team wiki: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoTeams [02:23] Goodness, the French LoCo got 5000 people to attend their release party. [02:23] I think if we put our heads together we can get a couple events going. [02:24] Something, perhaps, worth doing a t-shirt for! [02:34] we're like one of the only unapproved LoCo teams that actually has events listed [02:35] bigbash: Yeah, because we're trying. [02:36] You don;t get approved on promises. You get approved by doing stuff. [02:36] understandable [02:36] Announcing on that site isn't necessary, but is convenient. [02:38] Doing stuff means we must be organized. Lots of good tools for that, too. [02:38] Getting organized means getting to know each other, interests, goals. [02:38] Another reason for Ubuntu Hours. Good time to do those. [02:39] Cheesehead so people are going to send me focus ideas via mailing list or irc for the Bug Jam? [02:40] Yes... [02:40] I recommend doing one of those wiki announcements,... [02:40] and an IRC and e-mail announcement. [02:41] ok [02:41] "Hey, I'm setting this event up. Blah time, Blah IRC channel. I want your input on stuff you want to do during the event" [02:41] So if somebody ONLY want to cover Software Center bugs, great. You put them in charge of that [02:42] and advertise that Person is doing SC bugs, and willing to mentor new people on them, etc. [02:42] makes sense [02:42] You're the switchboard operator, you just need to let people know. [02:44] So someone shows up and says 'how can I help', you have a couple options for them. Well, person A is doing these kinds of bugs, and person B is training brand-new folks, and person C is doing those kinds of bugs, and what do you feel comfortable doing? [02:44] You're also the store greeter, in that sense. [02:44] got it, Wal-mart greeter [02:45] So, in this case, we know we have a lot of people interested in learning triage... [02:46] so keep your ears open for somebody willing to teach it. [02:47] Or advertise it. "Hey, I got four people who want to learn triage, I need someone to show up with links and a short training course, and help out with training and mentoring" [02:47] I have that link from BugSquad for a quick briefing into triaging bugs [02:47] I was going to include that [02:48] True, and you have people here (like me) who have done it. [02:48] nice [02:48] feel like going through one or two with me? [02:48] Some people prefer to learn from the wiki, some don't. We must be flexible and cater to both types. [02:49] or whenever you have time [02:49] Sure, but cannot tonight. [02:49] I have ignored that sink full of dirty dishes too long! [02:49] Also, we should find someone more current on bugs. I've been mostly out of Triage for almost three years. [02:50] I can ask to see if anyone is available from #ubuntu-bugs [02:50] Also look back through the wiki and and IRC Ubuntu Week. [02:51] You're coordinating it; you don't need to suddenly be a bug expert yourself. [02:52] A bug guy (like me) *will* show up. [02:52] You just want me to show up prepared to mentor (yes, I will) [02:53] The basic theory is everyone looks at the same bug [02:53] We talk about it. [02:53] Then one of us triages it based on the consensus. [02:53] Then the group moves on to the next bug. [02:53] We do five or so this way [02:53] Crawl-walk-run. This is crawl. [02:54] awesome [02:54] Then we break out into smaller groups. Maybe two or three new-triagers in each group. [02:54] The mentor jumps between groups. [02:54] Each group discusses, and takes the consensus to mentor for approval. [02:54] That's walk. [02:55] That's as far as you'll get in three hours. [02:55] Run is triaging bugs at home alone for fun. [02:55] The mentor is the #ubuntu-bugs IRC list for run. [02:56] See...no need for lots of read-ahead. Some people will anyway, and they will transmit the info to everyone else. [02:56] And everyone has a good time. [02:56] nice, I'm looking forward to this [02:57] Me, too. [02:58] One of Ubuntu's biggest problems in general right now is growing leaders and mentors. [02:58] Technical people are not taught how to lead groups or mentor people. They muddle through, some are good at it... [02:59] But those are not born traits. Both must be taught/learned. [02:59] One of my goals in this group is to teach people how to lead, and how to mentor. [02:59] thats a great goal [02:59] Thanks. [03:02] bigbash: Please be explicit in the announcement - new users, and no-experience-with-bugs are welcome. All training will be provided, and it's a great way to meet people and learn about Ubuntu. [03:02] Mentors and trainers are also welcome [03:03] If anyone has a specific focus, shoot it to you so you can make it available to everyone. [03:04] sounds good, I'm typing it up now actually [03:04] If anyone has a problem with the time, let them propose alternatives. No guarantee, but perhaps a second session may be possible if enough interest [03:05] You may not get much (or any) response. But you got some in this meeting, and you got at least one mentor already lined up, so I think you just need to tie the ribbon on the package. [03:14] Minutes and log of tonight's meeting are posted: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/WisconsinTeam/20110817 [03:14] * Cheesehead goes off to clean up the kitchen [03:18] * bigbash sent out Bug Jam to mailing list [03:55] bigbash: Great announcement1 [13:28] mongo65 was from Rhinelander? [13:28] awesome. [13:29] reviewing the logs [13:29] oop, have to call a client [15:02] morning h00k [15:02] bigbash: hey there [15:04] bigbash: thanks for being at the meeting last night ;) [15:04] sorry I couldn't be there [15:04] no problem [15:04] h00k, you on call ? [15:06] bigbash: not exactly, no [15:06] kinda. [15:06] I'm salaried, if that means anything [15:06] it does, I am as well [15:07] It was...erm. We had to revisit some quality control. [15:08] gotcha [15:08] On a tight deadline. [15:08] Also, *ahem* completely unrelated... [15:09] bah, just got work email. no casual friday tomorrow :( [15:09] If you're installing new computers in a new Windows environment, rename, restart, join to domain, restart. Do not skip that first restart. It wreaks havoc on Active Directory. [15:10] agreed [15:11] No casual Friday?! That's blasphemy! [15:12] ikr [15:12] we're made to wear ties, so I'm not a fan [15:13] has anyone been wating the live keynotes from LinuxCon? [15:17] I was supposed to be there :| [15:17] I won a free ticket last year, couldn't redeem it, couldn't afford it this year post-wedding and all [15:17] I will be watching them when I get a chance [15:17] ah, weddings are expensive [15:18] Ours wasn't too terrible, considering the events we did (9 motoryachts to an island with family), live band, etc [15:18] I have a good set of friends. [15:19] That's good. 9 motoryachts to an island? [15:19] sounds like a blast [15:19] It was :) [15:20] We did it kinda small, her parents neighbor let us borrow his Model A to drive from ceremony to reception [15:20] Oh, nice [15:20] we had approx 50 at the ceremony, maybe a bit over 100 (120?) at the reception [15:21] our friends wedding was very different, it was at 7:30AM [15:21] Oh, that is different. [15:32] Hello, Favrenation [15:32] whatup whatup [15:32] I'd like to meet mongo65 sometime, apparently from Rhinelander [15:32] thats way up north [15:33] Favrenation: yes it is ;) [15:33] That's where I be. [15:33] i have a cabin up there lol [15:33] no internet of course [15:33] Cool. What lake? [15:33] (all cabins are generally on a lake ;)) [15:33] whiggins or something lol [15:34] its more by iron mountain [15:34] ah, okay. [15:35] how does he get internet up there? [15:35] always looked at way to get internet up north [15:35] other than sucky 3g or dialup [15:38] We have internet up here [15:38] Charter is in the area [15:38] Some places are still stuck with DSL, however [15:38] depends on how far out you are [15:41] h00k, you're from Rhinelander? [15:41] i have dsl [15:41] 6mbps down [15:42] bigbash: yes [15:42] don't hold it against me [15:42] ha, I won't. We have a location up there [15:42] bigbash: Cool :) [15:42] So do we ;) [15:42] did u see a hodag? [15:43] The other day jogging, yeah ;) [15:43] It was chasing a white bulldog [15:43] lol [15:44] It's a pretty sweet mascot, I have to admit [15:44] a good conversation starter, anyway [15:44] i remember those comerical [15:45] so lame though [15:45] but i have a weird wisconsin book [15:45] pretty cool stories about it [15:49] Linux - A Short Retrospective and an Opinion on the Future -- Keynote starts in 12min [15:49] http://www.ustream.tv/channel/linux-foundation-live [15:49] in case anyone wanted to know [15:50] I would, but I can't [15:50] and it's killing me [15:52] the ones from yesterday aren't available yet [16:06] hey, bludude. [16:06] Hey [16:06] Ubuntu shop items just arrived :) [16:08] What'd 'ya get? [16:08] Couple shirts and a hoodie [16:08] sweet [16:09] This PC has a rootkit of some type, still looking for it. It keeps opening the oddest pages. [16:09] like Google Translater [16:09] *Translate [16:09]