| holstein | ScottL: i wanted to talk about th target audience thing a bit | 00:43 |
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| holstein | you got a minute? | 00:43 |
| ScottL | holstein, sure | 01:50 |
| holstein | ScottL: i was really basing my 'beginner' notion more on what i see rather than what i want | 01:51 |
| holstein | i mean, thats who i see in #ubuntustudio | 01:51 |
| holstein | is that because the savvy dont need help? | 01:51 |
| holstein | maybe... | 01:51 |
| holstein | either way, i think we should put a time limit on this question | 01:52 |
| holstein | just so it gets answered | 01:52 |
| holstein | its not going to *ever* be an answer that works for everyone | 01:52 |
| holstein | but, if we keep some of the new ideas im mind like what *can* we accomplish with our current team | 01:52 |
| holstein | what are our resources | 01:53 |
| holstein | and who is here to help | 01:53 |
| holstein | i think we can come up with a work plan that we can do, that will target the audience in question | 01:53 |
| ScottL | that sounds good | 01:54 |
| holstein | i think we should decide on this audience this cycle | 01:54 |
| holstein | and be rolling with something next cycle for the 12.04 LTS release | 01:54 |
| holstein | with the target audience in mind | 01:54 |
| ScottL | much of the current focus probably will need to get the ISO working | 01:55 |
| * ScottL admits he hasn't tested yet | 01:55 | |
| ScottL | :( | 01:55 |
| ScottL | but i agree about setting the audience | 01:55 |
| ScottL | once the images are working again | 01:55 |
| holstein | sure, all im saying is, by the end of this cycle, lets set this audience | 01:55 |
| ScottL | we can focus on tightening it up and then maybe work the documentation to help newbies | 01:56 |
| ScottL | i think that sounds like a good timeline, maybe even shorter | 01:56 |
| holstein | ScottL: shorter is fine by me | 01:57 |
| holstein | i thought that was super realistic | 01:57 |
| ScottL | what mechanism would you prefer to make sure we "agree" on an audience? | 02:00 |
| ScottL | talk in the IRC? on the mailing list? | 02:00 |
| holstein | whatever | 02:00 |
| holstein | all of them ideally | 02:00 |
| holstein | at some point, i think you'll just have to make the call though | 02:00 |
| holstein | and i dont think anyone will really care | 02:00 |
| ScottL | i think we may have already done the first | 02:00 |
| holstein | i mean, this doesnt change much really | 02:01 |
| holstein | just helps us have a focus for the future | 02:01 |
| ScottL | do you remember the 64studio documenation | 02:01 |
| ScottL | ? | 02:01 |
| holstein | its not like anyone is going to lose anything they currently have/do because we choose a target audience they disagree with | 02:01 |
| ScottL | that's the direction i would like for us to move for our documentation | 02:01 |
| ScottL | i agree with you holstein | 02:01 |
| holstein | ScottL: yeah, that old ducumentation is quite nice | 02:02 |
| holstein | i think its still up to, for reference | 02:02 |
| holstein | ScottL: so, along these lines... whats you elevator talk about the ubuntustudio target audience ? | 02:03 |
| ScottL | "elevator" talk? | 02:04 |
| ScottL | you might, like, small chit-chat talk? | 02:04 |
| holstein | ScottL: yeah | 02:04 |
| ScottL | okay :) | 02:04 |
| holstein | like we meet in an elevator and i say 'whos that for?' | 02:04 |
| ScottL | before that, let me ask you a question that just occurred to me | 02:04 |
| holstein | shoot | 02:05 |
| ScottL | do you think you see so many inexperienced people in #ubuntustudio because they are drawn to ubuntu studio? | 02:05 |
| ScottL | maybe ubuntu studio is just more on the web? | 02:05 |
| holstein | see, thats what i want to make sure i leave room for | 02:05 |
| ScottL | maybe they don't know/can't find a/v linux or others? | 02:05 |
| holstein | most folk might not even turn to the IRC | 02:05 |
| holstein | i would like to browse the forums a bit | 02:06 |
| holstein | i *hate* forums though | 02:06 |
| holstein | and the email list makes me tired | 02:06 |
| holstein | i like the IRC | 02:06 |
| ScottL | yeah, the forums are tough to wade through for me | 02:06 |
| holstein | but, that doesnt mean others do | 02:06 |
| ScottL | and it seems like you only see the same people in their own places | 02:06 |
| ScottL | not many people visit all three consistently | 02:06 |
| holstein | and i want to make sure i have a realistic perspective, and im not too IRC-centric in my opinions | 02:06 |
| ScottL | but on to your question: | 02:07 |
| holstein | to answer yours (better) i do think inexperienced users are drawn to ubuntu, and by proxy ubuntustudio | 02:07 |
| ScottL | i would say that it's a powerful system for the semi-pro band, indie musician, or bedroom guitarist to make or record music but geared to helping the inexperienced | 02:08 |
| ScottL | there are lots of documentation to help those inexpereienced but it still offers extreme power and versatility for the experienced as well | 02:08 |
| holstein | thats not far from mine | 02:08 |
| holstein | tools a beginner can learn to use, and a professional would be happy with | 02:09 |
| ScottL | did you read my second email to the -dev mailing list? | 02:10 |
| holstein | i skimmed it | 02:11 |
| holstein | i need to read it more throughly | 02:11 |
| holstein | the bit about 2 potential teams | 02:11 |
| holstein | i like that | 02:11 |
| ScottL | yeah, i think that can really address the two audiences without stepping on toes or trying to cross coordinate everything | 02:11 |
| ScottL | i think we could develop a bigger audience with experienced people if we had a good tool for them to install stuff | 02:12 |
| holstein | yup... i agree | 02:13 |
| holstein | and i think both things need the seperate attention you are mentioning | 02:13 |
| holstein | im *so* stoked about ardour3 | 02:15 |
| holstein | thats going to simplify the work flow a bit in a good way | 02:15 |
| ScottL | yeah, it is :) | 02:21 |
| ScottL | do you want help editing the podcast? | 02:21 |
| holstein | ScottL: maybe | 02:21 |
| ScottL | holstein, maybe we can alternate editing also | 02:22 |
| holstein | i think i can knock it out this weekend | 02:22 |
| holstein | ScottL: choose the music though | 02:22 |
| ScottL | holstein, i'm not really worried about the quality of it to be honest, i just want to get it out righ tnow | 02:22 |
| holstein | and send it to me if i dont have | 02:22 |
| holstein | it | 02:22 |
| holstein | ScottL: we'll get more 'live' too | 02:22 |
| holstein | all in one go | 02:22 |
| holstein | less editing needed | 02:22 |
| ScottL | what i'd like to do make sure we just keep getting it out | 02:23 |
| ScottL | every two weeks is fine for me | 02:23 |
| ScottL | but hopefully it gets more polished as we go | 02:23 |
| ScottL | i'll work on figuring out the beginning music | 02:25 |
| ScottL | of course we can still change the music next release or another time | 02:25 |
| holstein | can be different each time | 02:29 |
| holstein | no rules | 02:29 |
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