[00:43] <holstein> ScottL: i wanted to talk about th target audience thing a bit
[00:43] <holstein> you got a minute?
[01:50] <ScottL> holstein, sure
[01:51] <holstein> ScottL: i was really basing my 'beginner' notion more on what i see rather than what i want
[01:51] <holstein> i mean, thats who i see in #ubuntustudio
[01:51] <holstein> is that because the savvy dont need help?
[01:51] <holstein> maybe...
[01:52] <holstein> either way, i think we should put a time limit on this question
[01:52] <holstein> just so it gets answered
[01:52] <holstein> its not going to *ever* be an answer that works for everyone
[01:52] <holstein> but, if we keep some of the new ideas im mind like what *can* we accomplish with our current team
[01:53] <holstein> what are our resources
[01:53] <holstein> and who is here to help
[01:53] <holstein> i think we can come up with a work plan that we can do, that will target the audience in question
[01:54] <ScottL> that sounds good
[01:54] <holstein> i think we should decide on this audience this cycle
[01:54] <holstein> and be rolling with something next cycle for the 12.04 LTS release
[01:54] <holstein> with the target audience in mind
[01:55] <ScottL> much of the current focus probably will need to get the ISO working
[01:55]  * ScottL admits he hasn't tested yet
[01:55] <ScottL> :(
[01:55] <ScottL> but i agree about setting the audience
[01:55] <ScottL> once the images are working again
[01:55] <holstein> sure, all im saying is, by the end of this cycle, lets set this audience
[01:56] <ScottL> we can focus on tightening it up and then maybe work the documentation to help newbies
[01:56] <ScottL> i think that sounds like a good timeline, maybe even shorter
[01:57] <holstein> ScottL: shorter is fine by me
[01:57] <holstein> i thought that was super realistic
[02:00] <ScottL> what mechanism would you prefer to make sure we "agree" on an audience?
[02:00] <ScottL> talk in the IRC?  on the mailing list?
[02:00] <holstein> whatever
[02:00] <holstein> all of them ideally
[02:00] <holstein> at some point, i think you'll just have to make the call though
[02:00] <holstein> and i dont think anyone will really care
[02:00] <ScottL> i think we may have already done the first
[02:01] <holstein> i mean, this doesnt change much really
[02:01] <holstein> just helps us have a focus for the future
[02:01] <ScottL> do you remember the 64studio documenation
[02:01] <ScottL> ?
[02:01] <holstein> its not like anyone is going to lose anything they currently have/do because we choose a target audience they disagree with
[02:01] <ScottL> that's the direction i would like for us to move for our documentation
[02:01] <ScottL> i agree with you holstein
[02:02] <holstein> ScottL: yeah, that old ducumentation is quite nice
[02:02] <holstein> i think its still up to, for reference
[02:03] <holstein> ScottL: so, along these lines... whats you elevator talk about the ubuntustudio target audience ?
[02:04] <ScottL> "elevator" talk?
[02:04] <ScottL> you might, like, small chit-chat talk?
[02:04] <holstein> ScottL: yeah
[02:04] <ScottL> okay :)
[02:04] <holstein> like we meet in an elevator and i say 'whos that for?'
[02:04] <ScottL> before that, let me ask you a question that just occurred to me
[02:05] <holstein> shoot
[02:05] <ScottL> do you think you see so many inexperienced people in #ubuntustudio because they are drawn to ubuntu studio?
[02:05] <ScottL> maybe ubuntu studio is just more on the web?
[02:05] <holstein> see, thats what i want to make sure i leave room for
[02:05] <ScottL> maybe they don't know/can't find a/v linux or others?
[02:05] <holstein> most folk might not even turn to the IRC
[02:06] <holstein> i would like to browse the forums a bit
[02:06] <holstein> i *hate* forums though
[02:06] <holstein> and the email list makes me tired
[02:06] <holstein> i like the IRC
[02:06] <ScottL> yeah, the forums are tough to wade through for me
[02:06] <holstein> but, that doesnt mean others do
[02:06] <ScottL> and it seems like you only see the same people in their own places
[02:06] <ScottL> not many people visit all three consistently
[02:06] <holstein> and i want to make sure i have a realistic perspective, and im not too IRC-centric in my opinions
[02:07] <ScottL> but on to your question:
[02:07] <holstein> to answer yours (better) i do think inexperienced users are drawn to ubuntu, and by proxy ubuntustudio
[02:08] <ScottL> i would say that it's a powerful system for the semi-pro band, indie musician, or bedroom guitarist to make or record music but geared to helping the inexperienced
[02:08] <ScottL> there are lots of documentation to help those inexpereienced but it still offers extreme power and versatility for the experienced as well
[02:08] <holstein> thats not far from mine
[02:09] <holstein> tools a beginner can learn to use, and a professional would be happy with
[02:10] <ScottL> did you read my second email to the -dev mailing list?
[02:11] <holstein> i skimmed it
[02:11] <holstein> i need to read it more throughly
[02:11] <holstein> the bit about 2 potential teams
[02:11] <holstein> i like that
[02:11] <ScottL> yeah, i think that can really address the two audiences without stepping on toes or trying to cross coordinate everything
[02:12] <ScottL> i think we could develop a bigger audience with experienced people if we had a good tool for them to install stuff
[02:13] <holstein> yup... i agree
[02:13] <holstein> and i think both things need the seperate attention you are mentioning
[02:15] <holstein> im *so* stoked about ardour3
[02:15] <holstein> thats going to simplify the work flow a bit in a good way
[02:21] <ScottL> yeah, it is :)
[02:21] <ScottL> do you want help editing the podcast?
[02:21] <holstein> ScottL: maybe
[02:22] <ScottL> holstein, maybe we can alternate editing also
[02:22] <holstein> i think i can knock it out this weekend
[02:22] <holstein> ScottL: choose the music though
[02:22] <ScottL> holstein, i'm not really worried about the quality of it to be honest, i just want to get it out righ tnow
[02:22] <holstein> and send it to me if i dont have
[02:22] <holstein> it
[02:22] <holstein> ScottL: we'll get more 'live' too
[02:22] <holstein> all in one go
[02:22] <holstein> less editing needed
[02:23] <ScottL> what i'd like to do make sure we just keep getting it out
[02:23] <ScottL> every two weeks is fine for me
[02:23] <ScottL> but hopefully it gets more polished as we go
[02:25] <ScottL> i'll work on figuring out the beginning music
[02:25] <ScottL> of course we can still change the music next release or another time
[02:29] <holstein> can be different each time 
[02:29] <holstein> no rules