[00:43] ScottL: i wanted to talk about th target audience thing a bit [00:43] you got a minute? [01:50] holstein, sure [01:51] ScottL: i was really basing my 'beginner' notion more on what i see rather than what i want [01:51] i mean, thats who i see in #ubuntustudio [01:51] is that because the savvy dont need help? [01:51] maybe... [01:52] either way, i think we should put a time limit on this question [01:52] just so it gets answered [01:52] its not going to *ever* be an answer that works for everyone [01:52] but, if we keep some of the new ideas im mind like what *can* we accomplish with our current team [01:53] what are our resources [01:53] and who is here to help [01:53] i think we can come up with a work plan that we can do, that will target the audience in question [01:54] that sounds good [01:54] i think we should decide on this audience this cycle [01:54] and be rolling with something next cycle for the 12.04 LTS release [01:54] with the target audience in mind [01:55] much of the current focus probably will need to get the ISO working [01:55] * ScottL admits he hasn't tested yet [01:55] :( [01:55] but i agree about setting the audience [01:55] once the images are working again [01:55] sure, all im saying is, by the end of this cycle, lets set this audience [01:56] we can focus on tightening it up and then maybe work the documentation to help newbies [01:56] i think that sounds like a good timeline, maybe even shorter [01:57] ScottL: shorter is fine by me [01:57] i thought that was super realistic [02:00] what mechanism would you prefer to make sure we "agree" on an audience? [02:00] talk in the IRC? on the mailing list? [02:00] whatever [02:00] all of them ideally [02:00] at some point, i think you'll just have to make the call though [02:00] and i dont think anyone will really care [02:00] i think we may have already done the first [02:01] i mean, this doesnt change much really [02:01] just helps us have a focus for the future [02:01] do you remember the 64studio documenation [02:01] ? [02:01] its not like anyone is going to lose anything they currently have/do because we choose a target audience they disagree with [02:01] that's the direction i would like for us to move for our documentation [02:01] i agree with you holstein [02:02] ScottL: yeah, that old ducumentation is quite nice [02:02] i think its still up to, for reference [02:03] ScottL: so, along these lines... whats you elevator talk about the ubuntustudio target audience ? [02:04] "elevator" talk? [02:04] you might, like, small chit-chat talk? [02:04] ScottL: yeah [02:04] okay :) [02:04] like we meet in an elevator and i say 'whos that for?' [02:04] before that, let me ask you a question that just occurred to me [02:05] shoot [02:05] do you think you see so many inexperienced people in #ubuntustudio because they are drawn to ubuntu studio? [02:05] maybe ubuntu studio is just more on the web? [02:05] see, thats what i want to make sure i leave room for [02:05] maybe they don't know/can't find a/v linux or others? [02:05] most folk might not even turn to the IRC [02:06] i would like to browse the forums a bit [02:06] i *hate* forums though [02:06] and the email list makes me tired [02:06] i like the IRC [02:06] yeah, the forums are tough to wade through for me [02:06] but, that doesnt mean others do [02:06] and it seems like you only see the same people in their own places [02:06] not many people visit all three consistently [02:06] and i want to make sure i have a realistic perspective, and im not too IRC-centric in my opinions [02:07] but on to your question: [02:07] to answer yours (better) i do think inexperienced users are drawn to ubuntu, and by proxy ubuntustudio [02:08] i would say that it's a powerful system for the semi-pro band, indie musician, or bedroom guitarist to make or record music but geared to helping the inexperienced [02:08] there are lots of documentation to help those inexpereienced but it still offers extreme power and versatility for the experienced as well [02:08] thats not far from mine [02:09] tools a beginner can learn to use, and a professional would be happy with [02:10] did you read my second email to the -dev mailing list? [02:11] i skimmed it [02:11] i need to read it more throughly [02:11] the bit about 2 potential teams [02:11] i like that [02:11] yeah, i think that can really address the two audiences without stepping on toes or trying to cross coordinate everything [02:12] i think we could develop a bigger audience with experienced people if we had a good tool for them to install stuff [02:13] yup... i agree [02:13] and i think both things need the seperate attention you are mentioning [02:15] im *so* stoked about ardour3 [02:15] thats going to simplify the work flow a bit in a good way [02:21] yeah, it is :) [02:21] do you want help editing the podcast? [02:21] ScottL: maybe [02:22] holstein, maybe we can alternate editing also [02:22] i think i can knock it out this weekend [02:22] ScottL: choose the music though [02:22] holstein, i'm not really worried about the quality of it to be honest, i just want to get it out righ tnow [02:22] and send it to me if i dont have [02:22] it [02:22] ScottL: we'll get more 'live' too [02:22] all in one go [02:22] less editing needed [02:23] what i'd like to do make sure we just keep getting it out [02:23] every two weeks is fine for me [02:23] but hopefully it gets more polished as we go [02:25] i'll work on figuring out the beginning music [02:25] of course we can still change the music next release or another time [02:29] can be different each time [02:29] no rules === falktx_ is now known as falktx