[09:57] <ewl> Hi. I have a question. Are there swedish dictionarys in the education-programs? Getting for my kids and they are 5 and 11. Is Edubuntu something for them or do I have to look for other education-programs?
[09:59] <alkisg> ewl: edubuntu is a distro that contains education programs, e.g. tuxpaint, tuxtype, gcompris etc
[09:59] <alkisg> Those programs are available outside of edubuntu too. Edubuntu just bundles them along with nice themes etc
[09:59] <alkisg> Most of them are translated to many languages
[09:59] <ewl> Aha, okey.
[10:00] <alkisg> But translations isn't a matter of distro, it's a matter of the programs you use.
[10:00] <alkisg> So if the program has been translated, you'll be able to use it in swedish from any distro
[10:01] <ewl> Yeah. I know. I think I have to look into it a bit more and see if there are translations. I think *buntu is far greater than Windows. That's why I thought about switching to Edubuntu instead of Win7.
[10:02] <alkisg> When you install edubuntu, all translations for swedish will be automatically installed
[10:02] <ewl> Ah, cool.
[10:02] <alkisg> So it's probably the easiest way to test
[10:02] <ewl> Sorry, have to go. I'll be back later if I have more questions. Thanks so much for the help!
[10:02] <alkisg> Bye
[17:35] <Barco> Hi Guys, can anyone assist with Internet setup on Edubuntu using a Adsl Router
[17:36] <highvoltage> hey Barco
[17:37] <Barco> Hi!  How are you doing?
[17:38] <highvoltage> Barco: good thanks. it's been a while since I configured adsl, but I usually just installed the pppoeconf package and ran 'sudo pppoeconf' from the command line and it set up everything
[17:38] <highvoltage> (I think network manager can do that for you too now if you use it)
[17:39] <Barco> I was heading in the direction of setting up a gateway to eth0 since I'm running LTSP and was thinking not to mess too much with it's setup
[17:40] <Barco> Added my gateway to /etc/network/interfaces
[17:40] <highvoltage> ah right
[17:41] <Barco>  /etc/init.d/networking restart
[17:41] <highvoltage> sorry yes, you're on the right path
[17:41] <Barco> but unfortunately I still can't connect to the gateway even though I can ping it and it's not conflicting with anything
[17:41] <highvoltage> do you ping it by name or IP?
[17:42] <highvoltage> what do you get when you run 'route'?
[17:42] <Barco> Ping by Ip, here's the output of my current ifconfig... http://pastebin.com/abPbqLXu
[17:43] <highvoltage> ah you have a ppp connection up, where does that come from? and what's the IP address of your router?
[17:44] <highvoltage> do you run LTSP on a seperate card than the rest of your network? perhaps you meant to have 192.168.0.254 on eth1 and dhcp on eth0
[17:45] <Barco> I'm connecting to the web through a 3G Broadband router. Gateway is 192.168.0.253
[17:46] <Barco> I'm not quite clear on the use of dual network cards for internet Yet. Would that mean I would need a third network card if I decide to run 2 network cards for the lab? i.e. 5 clients per card?
[17:47] <highvoltage> you could, but you don't have to
[17:48] <highvoltage> Barco: can you ping 8.8.8.8?
[17:48] <Barco> I
[17:48] <Barco> I'll try...
[17:49] <Barco> Jup loud and clear, slow at 254 - 360ms...
[17:49] <Barco> What am I pinging?
[17:50] <Barco> Having bandwith problems in the lab as a result of hardware. Was advised to switch to server lan cards to help with throttling. Apparently the Realtec nic's don't run at 1gb when connected with 100mb clients.
[17:50] <highvoltage> that's google's public nameserver, it means your internet connection is working, you probably just need to edit /etc/resolv.conf
[17:51] <highvoltage> if you have "nameserver 8.8.8.8" in there your internet will probably work
[17:51] <highvoltage> but "nameserver 192.168.0.253" should also work if you want to use your ISP nameserver through your router
[17:52] <Barco> Currently connecting through the 3g modem - will have to disconect to give you a clear indication. Will add the nameserver. Just a sec...
[17:55] <Barco> Shot Highvoltage. the nameserver was the missing ingredient. I get a little disorientated on Linux. Names and locations are very different to 20years of Dos/Windows experience.  But I like linux more except when I have no clue what next. Gives me compassion for computer newbs
[17:55] <highvoltage> Barco: hehe, was the same for me, at least there's lots of patient people out there willing to help :)
[17:56] <Hyperbyte> I would've probably hung myself if it weren't for helpful Freenode users. :)
[17:57] <highvoltage> just out of curiosity, is the 3g connection on vodacom? that IP range looks familiar
[17:58] <Barco> Probably a Vodacom tower. It's a Cell C connection. I came I saw, I moved on LOL
[17:58] <highvoltage> heh
[17:59] <Barco> You work with lot's of ips it seems. What do you do when you're not occupied by Ubuntu-IRC
[17:59] <highvoltage> how is cell C's 3g? their prices look ok but I don't know how good their coverage is. I was thinking of getting a cell c prepaid 3g card for my mother
[18:00] <Barco> I'm in Bfn. Here we battle a bit. Other cities are raving about Cell C. I had disconnect issues and bandwidth dropout (i.e. after a connection the latency would increase indefinitely while the connection stays up).
[18:01] <Barco> Sometimes I had disconnections in 15-30sec intervals for 2-3 hours. Try sending email ;)
[18:02] <Barco> Coverage is unpredictable. But word on the street is that things are different in Gauteng
[18:02] <Barco> What have you heard about 8ta's connections?
[18:02] <highvoltage> I know someone in cape town who had similar problems than you on cell c
[18:03] <highvoltage> I know no one who uses 8ta.
[18:04] <Barco> I told them it's capacity and network equipment related. But learned in 3months mediation that the modem also played a factor. Worked through icassa and got a refund. Then misteriously they sent me a refund and gave me the modem back ?
[18:05] <highvoltage> 8ta's coverage map doesn't look to bad, but it's Telkom so I don't think I want to support them anyway
[18:05] <Barco> Neither do I. Offering seems incredible. Their network is said to be uncongested currnetly but I don't expect it to remain so much longer.
[18:06] <Barco> Why are you against telkom?
[18:06] <highvoltage> because they've stolen enough money from south africans already.
[18:06] <Barco> I've been through 18months combined mediation with Cell C and Mtn because of service. Telkom has a way better track record if you look at the figures.
[18:07] <highvoltage> which figures?
[18:08] <Barco> Personal experience with Adsl and other Clients. I meet disgruntled Cellular, Iburst clients weekly and sometimes daily.
[18:09] <highvoltage> I literally know 100s of disgruntled telkom users and we even closed some streets in cape town once to protest against them
[18:09] <Barco> appart form ports I have not heard of many issues with telkom in a long time.
[18:10] <Barco> Try Iburst - they deliver a modem to me to resell to Client the don't activate the modem and hold the client to a contract while he receives no service. Took 3 Months to resolve!
[18:10] <highvoltage> haven't you following the news recently about telkom trying to prevent local loop unbundling?
[18:10] <highvoltage> that's just evil, and it's a reason I won't support 8ta :)
[18:11] <Barco> NO, but read about it a while back. I'm kindof undecided about the whole thing.
[18:11] <highvoltage> well, you'll never have real competition until telkom stops keeping all of the fixed-wire infrastructure hostage
[18:12] <Barco> Unbundling will reduce pricing drasticly. But I've witnessed first hand what happened between Adsl ISP's and Telkom when things go wrong. Both parties blame eachother.
[18:12] <highvoltage> and I find that particularly appauling considering that all of the initial infrastructure was put in place with tax payer money
[18:13] <Barco> I'm concerned that Adsl will become poorly maintained if it gets unbundled leaving SA without any reliable internet.
[18:14] <Barco> That issue aside I do believe in the unbundling proccess. Just seen too many times how something that is owned by too many people gets treated without respect. i.e. pool cars
[18:15] <highvoltage> well, with LLU you'd be able to have a landline without going through Telkom at all, so you won't necessarilly have that fingerpointing scenario
[18:16] <highvoltage> anyway, I need to get back to work :)
[18:16] <Barco> Hmm, sounds like fun. First true landline competition and the beginning of affordable telephony in Za
[18:16] <Barco> So what's Telkom's argument against LLU
[18:18] <highvoltage> Barco: well, it's simple really. they make tons of money with with the infrastructure and don't want to lose money by giving anyone else access to it.
[18:20] <Barco> I hear you defending a highly lucrative position.
[18:20] <highvoltage> yep.
[18:21] <highvoltage> oh I read on Wikipedia that a deadline for LLU has been set for 1 November
[18:21] <Barco> But the increase in internet availablillity through other providers and networks like the fiber backbone CellC, Neotel, Mtn and Vodacom are building is set to create competition by itself also.
[18:22] <highvoltage> I doubt Telkom will actually co-operate though
[18:22] <Barco> I hear you. The inevitable is about to happen. I was reading about how slow 3g cards are slowing down Cellular tower
[18:23] <Barco> 's bandwidth.
[18:23] <highvoltage> yeah, all the fibre infrastructure that everyone is putting in place will go a long way, but those companies could do so much more if they could also provide the last-mile connections into people's homes and sme's.
[18:23] <Barco> Means faster voip capable connections on 3g eventually.
[18:24] <Barco> Last mile is a tedious web of wire.
[18:24] <Barco> :)
[18:24] <highvoltage> not sure on how many networks you can legally do it though. MTN and Vodacom at least has policies that if they catch you doing voip without their authorization they can charge you R20/MB for it (effectively making it as expensive as a normal voice call)
[18:24] <highvoltage> hehe, yes it is
[18:25] <Barco> Well they have not caught me yet - he he
[18:26] <Barco> But that's a nasty policy though.
[18:26] <highvoltage> yeah, I haven't heard of anyone who's been caught though. I'm not sure if they actually do any deep-packet inspection to check for it
[18:27] <Barco> Except if all of us start at once. It'll take them months to get through the stats.
[18:28] <Barco> Voip on Cellphones is inevitable. If Cellular rates where more fair the market would not be as open to it.
[18:31] <Barco> Thanks again for your assistance! Now I'm rid of the unstable internet on the server...