[00:02]  * yofel does one last attempt in rebuilding kde-runtime
[00:06] <cyphermox> yofel, I want to help but am a bit stuck with low bandwidth and low battery now, which I can fix in a few minutes hopefully
[00:07] <yofel> ah, well, we have kded4 stuck with 100% CPU in oneiric after login, and trying to start it after killing it gives:
[00:07] <yofel> kded4: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/ntrack/modules/ntrack-libnl3.so: undefined symbol: ntrack_list_insert_sorted
[00:07] <cyphermox> ok
[00:08] <cyphermox> I have kubuntu installed on this system so it should be fairly easy to reproduce
[00:28] <cyphermox> d'oh, I had dbus not want to start...
[00:30] <cyphermox> yofel: so, where are you at with debugging this, and where can I help?
[00:32] <yofel> about what I said, kded4 is stuck with 100% CPU at login. Attaching gdb to it yields http://paste.kde.org/111499. Trying to restart it so I can debug it fails with the mentioned symbol error
[00:32] <yofel> and 'nm -DC /usr/lib/ntrack/modules/ntrack-libnl3.so' gives                  U ntrack_list_insert_sorted
[00:32] <yofel> for that symbol
[00:35] <cyphermox> ah
[00:36] <cyphermox> well, the fact that the symbol is undefined there may be normal, given that this is a module to ntrack, the symbol would be in /usr/lib/libntrack.so.0
[00:37] <cyphermox> checking your paste now
[00:38] <dantti> hey guys :P I have just run mkfs.ext4 instead of fsck.ext :P now, on reiserfs when I did this (no it's not that common), I ran a reiser tool --rebuild-tree, with ext4 I have no idea what's best.. someone has an advice?
[00:39] <dantti> btw mkfs should ask me if I really want to do that...
[00:44]  * yofel is off to bed, good night
[01:37] <ScottK> cyphermox: If your dbus won't start in KDE, make sure you have the latest qt4-x11 and qdbus is installed.
[01:38] <ScottK> dantti: My first advice is if you're on ReiserFS, get off of it.  It's unmaintained for a really long time.
[01:38] <dantti> ScottK: I wish I was on it... last time I did that it restored everything very easily...
[01:39] <ScottK> I'm not saying the design is bad, but bit rotting file systems are not a good thing.
[01:39] <dantti> reiserfs something --rebuild-tree :P
[01:39] <dantti> but now I'm on ext4..
[01:40] <dantti> there is the TestDisk tool I'm looking at..
[01:40] <dantti> but the problem is that I can't dd my file system (2TB), I have a small 250gb which could receive the files.. 
[01:48] <ScottK> Dunno about that then.
[01:50] <dantti> ... I changed the ext superblock.. let's hope I won't loose more stuff :P
[03:55] <darkwingduck> weeeeee thsi is fun
[03:56] <JontheEchidna> name in lower caps!
[03:57] <JontheEchidna> shocking
[03:57] <darkwingduck> okay, running dist-upgrade on oneiric alpha 1 takes me places. It will go to the login but once I start a profile. It tells me "Could not start D-Bus. Can you call qdbus?"
[03:57] <darkwingduck> damn netbook
[03:57] <JontheEchidna> darkwingduck: dist-upgrading should fix it
[03:57] <JontheEchidna> or just manually install qdbus
[03:57] <DarkwingDuck> JontheEchidna: it happened when I dist-upgraded
[03:57] <JontheEchidna> :s
[03:58] <JontheEchidna> I dunno what to tell you then. That should be the fix and it has worked for people. :(
[03:59] <DarkwingDuck> Yeah, trust my lappy to be the only one out there. LOL
[03:59] <DarkwingDuck> JontheEchidna: You going to be in Orlando in Oct?
[03:59] <JontheEchidna> nah, got skool then
[04:00] <DarkwingDuck> dang
[04:00] <JontheEchidna> I can only ever make it to the ones in may because of that
[04:00] <DarkwingDuck> ahhhh
[04:00] <DarkwingDuck> I'll try to make it in may
[04:00] <DarkwingDuck> I don't want to have to do the remote thing again.
[04:00] <JontheEchidna> it's not so bad remoting on the non-overseas ones
[04:01] <DarkwingDuck> Yeah, for me it started at midnight
[04:01] <DarkwingDuck> That was one LOOOOOOONG week
[04:02] <DarkwingDuck> hmmm, dist-upgraded again...
[04:02] <JontheEchidna> I find that I don't get jetlagged, if I just don't sleep on the first day until it's bedtime locally
[04:02] <DarkwingDuck> There was 41 packages that it didn't upgrade the first time.
[04:02]  * DarkwingDuck ponders
[04:02] <JontheEchidna> prolly needed to refresh the sources list again or something
[04:02] <DarkwingDuck> Who knwos.
[04:02] <DarkwingDuck> It's my laptop so, it's bound to have stange issues
[04:10] <valorie> this lappy upgraded to KDE 4.7 with no problem
[04:10] <valorie> but my little netbook - plasma has to be started by hand
[04:10] <valorie> every time
[04:10] <valorie> very strange
[04:10] <DarkwingDuck> yay back
[04:11] <DarkwingDuck> and it works now
[04:11] <DarkwingDuck> my netbook is so on it's last legs...
[04:11] <DarkwingDuck> And I'm not looking forward to lugging this thinkpad around UDS
[04:35] <DarkwingDuck> ScottK: you still up by any off chance?
[04:40] <DarkwingDuck> I have an interesting issue
[04:40] <DarkwingDuck> With my server.
[04:41] <DarkwingDuck> It wont get past GRUB, black screen then my moniter goes to sleep. However, if I boot into recovery then resume normal boot then it works.
[04:48] <valorie> DarkwingDuck: have you done a repair of grub or grub2?
[04:48]  * valorie had grub problems once too
[06:04] <Quintasan_> Good morning
[06:47] <Quintasan> ScottK: https://code.launchpad.net/~quintasan/kubuntu-packaging/kde-workspace/+merge/72141
[06:48] <Quintasan> That should do the trick
[06:48] <Quintasan> I removed my previous branch and added everthing in one commit
[08:08] <bulldog98_> ulmlogger: it made plasma-desktop start
[08:44] <ulmlogger> bulldog98_: then you are using it wrong :P
[08:45] <ulmlogger> >>> grep Hidden *
[08:45] <ulmlogger> krunner.desktop:Hidden=true
[08:45] <ulmlogger> plasma-desktop.desktop:Hidden=true
[08:45] <ulmlogger> plasma-netbook.desktop:Hidden=true
[08:45] <ulmlogger> plasma-tablet.desktop:Hidden=false
[08:45] <ulmlogger> of course if your .kde overrides this there wont be much goodness coming out of it
[08:55] <bambee> morning
[09:35] <Quintasan> bambee: type "ericm"
[09:35]  * Quintasan wants to test highlight
[09:35] <bambee> ericm
[09:35] <bambee> ?
[09:35] <Quintasan> doesnt work
[09:35] <Quintasan> ffs
[09:51] <Quintasan> https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-2Dsb0_7CNrM/TXjR7Uw3deI/AAAAAAAAAB4/H1_5yc-J0ZI/s400/somemuppetcallskubuntu.jpg
[09:52] <Quintasan> I can't stop laughing at this
[11:34] <mfraz74> Any ideas why plasma-widget-quickaccess is now in Universe?
[11:36] <mfraz74> reference bug 805960
[11:42] <debfx> mfraz74: we don't install it anymore by default
[11:43] <mfraz74> debfx: but there is a big red/white x icon where it used to be
[11:44] <debfx> mfraz74: yes, ulmlogger was just too lazy to upload the fix
[11:45] <mfraz74> what is the progress on digikam2?
[11:48] <debfx> it looks like 90% of the kubuntu developers have discovered their love for tablets and thus spend their time on getting plasma active to work on kubuntu
[11:48] <yofel> mfraz74: fails to build for me, and _Groo_ still hasn't published what he has
[11:48] <debfx> which obviously leave not much time for anything else
[11:49] <mfraz74> yep
[11:51] <debfx> yay, I have a fix for the "kded4 eats your cpu" issue
[11:51]  * yofel hugs debfx
[11:53] <mfraz74> any idea why Firefox doesn't have the kde look?
[11:54] <yofel> ah, then I'm not the only one at least that oxygen-gtk doesn't work for anymore since like yesterday
[11:55] <mfraz74> thought it might be something like that
[11:55] <mfraz74> another thing, amarok keeps asking me to install the same extra packages
[11:57] <rbelem> Quintasan, morning :-)
[12:01] <debfx> kde-workspace has a bad way to detect if gtk2-engines-oxygen is installed that breaks for multiarched packages
[12:02] <debfx> I'm working on a fix for that
[12:04] <Quintasan> rbelem: You call that morning? I'm up since 7 in the morning :D
[12:05] <Quintasan> debfx: You're serious?!
[12:05] <Quintasan> What's the cause? ntrack?
[12:05] <debfx> yes
[12:05] <rbelem> Quintasan, :-D
[12:05] <debfx> bug #750554
[12:05] <Quintasan> Ehh, curses
[12:06] <rbelem> Quintasan, i almost did not sleep
[12:06] <rbelem> Quintasan, my son got a flu
[12:06] <Quintasan> Oh :<
[12:06] <rbelem> Quintasan, but he is ok now :-)
[12:07] <Quintasan> rbelem: Did you try curing him with Kubuntu Active? ;)
[12:07] <Quintasan> 9 out of 10 patients have recovered after playing with Kubuntu Active
[12:07] <Quintasan> :D
[12:08] <rbelem> Quintasan, :-D i put an ubuntu tshirt on him and he started to feel better
[12:08] <Quintasan> rbelem: About plasma magic, I think ScottK approved  FFe's and we should have them uploaded soon
[12:08] <rbelem> Quintasan, probably the kubuntu active will heal him completely
[12:08] <rbelem> Quintasan, awesome!
[12:08]  * rbelem hugs Quintasan 
[12:09] <Quintasan> ScottK: Who is the most appropriate person to upload?
[12:09]  * Quintasan need to get a long labcoat
[12:10]  * rbelem starts to dance waltz with Quintasan 
[12:10] <rbelem> :-D
[12:10] <Quintasan> You'd better stop, I'm not sure when we get it uploaded :P
[12:11] <rbelem> kk :-D
[12:11] <Quintasan> s-l-c and plasma-mobile have to be uploaded, right?
[12:11] <rbelem> Quintasan, yup
[12:11] <Quintasan> also ulmlogger is supposed to fix some patch in workspace so we can upload it with my KWin GLES branch
[12:12] <rbelem> awesome
[12:12] <rbelem> then i will test that on aRRRRRRRM
[12:14] <Quintasan> Do you have enough rum to handle ARM?
[12:15] <rbelem> Quintasan, not currently, but i will run for a rum :-D
[12:17] <rbelem> Quintasan, brrrrin' me some rum
[12:18] <Quintasan> >implying I have enough money to buy rum for myself
[12:18] <rbelem> Quintasan, :-D
[12:18] <rbelem> Quintasan, i just installed the filters pkg
[12:19] <Quintasan> What's that?
[12:19] <rbelem> Quintasan, it has the pirate filter 
[12:20] <ScottK> Quintasan: !me since I need to do the New review.  I think it's fine, however.
[12:20] <ScottK> Quintasan: I'm still waiting for some convincing or a separate binary approach for -runtime as it's scaring me.
[12:26] <Quintasan> ScottK: ulmlogger did not convince you?
[12:27] <ScottK> I think he convinced me we needed separate binaries although that may not have been his intent.
[12:27] <Quintasan> Curses.
[12:27] <ScottK> That was about the time we noticed you were expert at coaxing double builds out of KDE packages.
[12:27] <Quintasan> Yeah, I just remembered that myself.
[12:28] <Quintasan> Unfortunately for him I'm a bit busy since we're moving stuff around the house
[12:29] <Quintasan> >aseigo: in Hong Konq
[12:29] <Quintasan> >Konq
[12:29] <Quintasan> Well played sir, well played.
[12:29]  * ScottK has been busy with NBS and fixing stuff.
[12:29] <ScottK> KDE NBS is ~half what it was before yesterday.
[12:30] <ScottK> (as an added bonus, kdelibs is gone finally)
[12:30] <Quintasan> NBS?
[12:30] <ScottK> Not Built from Source
[12:30] <ScottK> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/nbs.html
[12:30] <ScottK> All that stuff needs to be updated or removed before release.
[12:31] <Quintasan> Ah
[12:31] <Quintasan> I see
[12:36]  * Quintasan goes out to look for labcoats
[12:36] <Quintasan> bbl
[12:49] <debfx> ScottK: could you sponsor an ntrack upload: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=Qs6J3znB
[13:12] <ScottK> debfx: I can.
[13:13] <ScottK> debfx: Does this same problem exist in natty?
[13:14] <debfx> ScottK: nope, it has only been broken since the last upload
[13:15] <ScottK> OK.  I have an intermittent process going to 100% CPU and staying there problem on natty that I want to blame on ntrack.
[13:15] <ScottK> (on natty)
[13:22] <debfx> which process?
[13:27] <ScottK> It varies.
[13:27] <ScottK> It seems to only be ones that use the network though.
[13:28] <ScottK> debfx: I'm a bit confused about ntrack only being broken since the last upload.  The bug you're fixing in debian/changelog was filed well before the current package?
[13:31] <debfx> ScottK: the bug was filed against the upstream project
[13:31] <ScottK> Ah.
[13:31] <ScottK> debfx: OK.  I just uploaded it.  Thanks for fixing.
[14:22] <_Groo_> hi/2 all
[14:22] <_Groo_> guys when i get a dh_auto_build: error: unable to chdir to obj-x86_64-linux-gnu in debuild, what should i do? cant figure this one out
[14:27] <yofel> _Groo_: a) where's digikam b) does digikam build in oneiric for you c) can you give the full build log for your failure?
[14:27] <_Groo_> anyone?
[14:28] <_Groo_> yofel: a) i have been very busy this week, i have the package, if you want i can send you the debian.tar.gz b) didnt tested in oneiric but should work c) wheres does debuild puts the build log?
[14:29] <_Groo_> yofel: more about a) since today is friday ill be able to upload to my ppa tonight.. i couldnt all week :( have come home very late and tired
[14:29] <yofel> _Groo_: a) I do need it rather fast though b) digikam builds in natty but NOT in oneiric for me c) nowhere unless you redirect stdout and stderr to a logfile yourself
[14:30] <_Groo_> yofel: i know about feature freeze, ill be on tonight, what time is it over there?
[14:30] <_Groo_> yofel: c) i recloned the git dir and it worked now.. something in old git poluted debui;d.. i need to find out what it was.. it happens ocasionally wiht git... 
[14:30] <_Groo_> yofel: still have the old git
[14:31] <yofel> well, feature freeze is already past, so a few hours don't matter, but I need a package for oneiric
[14:33] <_Groo_> yofel: i asked the time to see if youll be on when im at home
[14:33] <_Groo_> yofel: can i see the buildlog of the failed oneiric?
[14:34] <yofel> this is still a local build - http://paste.kde.org/111787
[14:34] <_Groo_> did you build kipi-plugins too? or just digikam2?
[14:34] <yofel> that's digikam as it's shipped in the tar
[14:35] <yofel> so with kipi
[14:35] <_Groo_> the bin file might call itself digikam, but its really digikam2 :D
[14:35] <yofel> odd is that it already links with '-L/usr/lib -lgphoto2_port -L/usr/lib -lgphoto2 -lgphoto2_port -lm' so I have no idea what's wrong
[14:36] <yofel> well, the name doesn't really matter
[14:37] <_Groo_> yofel: did you see this? http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?set=custom&viewmonth=200902&viewday=&forum_name=gphoto-devel&style=nested&max_rows=75&submit=Change+View
[14:37] <_Groo_> what gcc is oneiric?
[14:37] <_Groo_> yofel: you used new kipi-plugins right?
[14:38] <_Groo_> yofel: kipi-plugins2                                                        2.0.0-2~padoka1
[14:38] <yofel> _Groo_: no, I used the kipi plugins that are inside the digikam tarball since I couldn't find a kipi-plugins 2 tar
[14:38] <_Groo_> yofel: hmm
[14:38] <_Groo_> yofel: its in their site too
[14:38] <_Groo_> yofel: sec
[14:39] <yofel> gphoto isn't part of kipi-plugins anyway
[14:39] <yofel> and it's not the kipi plugins that fail, it's digikam itself
[14:39] <yofel> kipi-plugins build fine
[14:40] <yofel> _Groo_: no it's not, http://sourceforge.net/projects/kipi/files/ only shows 1.9.0
[14:40] <_Groo_> yofel: i know
[14:41] <_Groo_> yofel: the problem is, and you can checlk google, wrong kipi makes strange compilation errors in digikam, sometimes in unrelated dependencies, like gphoto, you can find a bunch of those in google
[14:41] <_Groo_> yofel: anyway
[14:41] <_Groo_> yofel: its a very strange compile error indeed
[14:41] <_Groo_> yofel: what version is gcc in oneiric?
[14:42] <_Groo_> yofel: it might be a matter of chaning float* to float or vice-versa
[14:42] <yofel> gcc 4.6 with the restrictive linking setting we had during natty devel
[14:42] <_Groo_> yofel: did you bugged the digikam guys? :D
[14:42] <Quintasan> DSO MAGIC
[14:42] <yofel> _Groo_: not yet
[14:43] <_Groo_> yofel: i know this is stupid.. but.. dit you tried to recompile again? :D
[14:43] <yofel> _Groo_: do you know what a DSO error is?
[14:43] <shadeslayer> i heard DSO and Magic in the same line
[14:44] <Quintasan> You did
[14:44] <shadeslayer> you just broke something somewhere
[14:44] <shadeslayer> and ffs ... kdeinit4 is consuming a entire core again -.-
[14:44] <Quintasan> Muahahah
[14:44] <Quintasan> bugged PC is bugged
[14:44] <yofel> shadeslayer: debfs fixed that, wait for the ntrack update
[14:44]  * shadeslayer spanks kdeinit4 for wasting CPU cycles
[14:45] <Quintasan> kudos for debfx
[14:45] <shadeslayer> yofel: but ... i don't have ntrack installed
[14:45]  * Quintasan orders cookies for debfx
[14:45] <yofel> shadeslayer: you do have libntrack0 installed
[14:45] <shadeslayer> or i think i don't
[14:45] <_Groo_> yofel: OFC :P
[14:45] <shadeslayer> ah 
[14:45] <_Groo_> yofel: im stupid but not that stupid
[14:45] <yofel> _Groo_: good, then don't ask me such questions, I've had that error since berlin :P
[14:46] <Quintasan> WE ALL LOVE DSO LINKING
[14:46]  * Quintasan hides
[14:46] <shadeslayer> debfx++
[14:46] <_Groo_> yofel: and yet you didnt bugged the digikam guys XD
[14:46] <shadeslayer> oh yes we do
[14:46] <_Groo_> yofel: thats why ppl consider me "the most annoying packager ever"
[14:46] <_Groo_> yofel: i bug the developers :D
[14:47] <yofel> _Groo_: I tried fixing this myself, but this is lacking any sense by now so I'll probably bug them if nobody here has an idea
[14:48] <_Groo_> yofel: fixing myself without upstream with custom patches... dont forget to mention that to them.. they will love ya :P
[14:48] <_Groo_> yofel: im kidding btw :D
[14:49] <_Groo_> yofel: stupid question, did you tried in ppa? or just locally?
[14:49] <yofel> this is a local build, I have no packaging yet
[14:49] <_Groo_> yofel: is gphoto exactly the same version an in ppa oneiric?
[14:49] <_Groo_> yofel: i mean your local is pure oneiric from upstream?
[14:50] <yofel> ppa? this is the archive version
[14:50] <_Groo_> yofel: i mean for environment building purposes
[14:50] <yofel> it's the version from the archive
[15:01] <_Groo_> yofel: can i see your debian/rules?
[15:01] <yofel> _Groo_: I said there is no packaging. This is 'mkdir build, cd build, cmake .., make -j9'
[15:01] <_Groo_> yofel: ah
[15:01] <_Groo_> yofel: what are you passing to cmake?
[15:02] <yofel> nothing
[15:02] <_Groo_> yofel: can you try -DKFACE_EXTERNAL_FINDOPENCV=ON -DQT_QTSCRIPT_LIBRARY=/usr/lib/libQtScript.so
[15:03] <_Groo_> opencv is not obligatory
[15:03] <_Groo_> but wont hurt
[15:03] <yofel> sure, although /usr/lib/libQtScript.so doesn't exist in oneiric (multiarch)
[15:03] <_Groo_> yofel: oO
[15:03] <_Groo_> yofel: is there an equivalent?
[15:03] <yofel> _Groo_: /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libQtScript.so
[15:03] <yofel> as I said, multiarch
[15:03] <_Groo_> yofel: try that one
[15:04] <yofel> I don't see what qtscript has to do with it though
[15:04] <_Groo_> yofel: same.. but stranger bugs needs strange solutions :D
[15:04] <_Groo_> yofel: should be fun to try ;)
[15:05] <yofel> CMake Warning:
[15:05] <yofel>   Manually-specified variables were not used by the project:
[15:05] <yofel>     KFACE_EXTERNAL_FINDOPENCV
[15:05] <_Groo_> yofel: impossible im using it here
[15:05] <yofel> _Groo_: what version are you trying to build?
[15:07] <_Groo_> yofel: 2.0.0 final
[15:07] <_Groo_> we have GHOTO2CONFIG_EXECUTABLE         */usr/bin/gphoto2-config                                                                                                                                                  GHOTO2PORTCONFIG_EXECUTABLE     */usr/bin/gphoto2-port-config
[15:07] <_Groo_> and you can always try WITH_Gphoto2=off to see if at leasts it compiles fine
[15:08] <_Groo_> one step at a time
[15:17] <shadeslayer> so when does debfx's fix get into the archives?
[15:17] <_Groo_> yofel: did it work?
[15:18] <yofel> shadeslayer: ask the archive scripts https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ntrack/014+bzr312-0ubuntu2
[15:18] <shadeslayer> @_@
[15:18] <shadeslayer> i'll just download the lib
[15:19] <_Groo_> to get tomahawk into oneiric i need to separate the beast into several files (lib, dev, etc) and package jreen and the likes?
[15:20] <shadeslayer> yes
[15:20] <_Groo_> or i can just go by with one package? :D
[15:20] <_Groo_> like in my ppa :D
[15:20] <_Groo_> shadeslayer: argh
[15:20] <shadeslayer> nope, that won't work
[15:20] <yofel> _Groo_: I'm working on tomahawk for oneiric
[15:20] <_Groo_> shadeslayer: ok this weekend ill do it
[15:20] <shadeslayer> ^^ :P
[15:20] <_Groo_> yofel: ah ok.. be my guest
[15:20] <Quintasan> _Groo_,yofel: Cut it please, do we really have to get tomahawk into ARCHIVE?
[15:20] <_Groo_> yofel: i rather prefer a oficial minion
[15:20] <shadeslayer> any work for me btw?
[15:20] <yofel> Quintasan: ask ulmlogger
[15:21] <yofel> _Groo_: well, that did build as expected...
[15:21] <_Groo_> shadeslayer: you are the muon developer arent you?
[15:21] <shadeslayer> lolno
[15:21] <shadeslayer> thats JontheEchidna
[15:21] <_Groo_> i always confuse everyone in here :P
[15:21] <_Groo_> shadeslayer: ah yeah ... like i said :P
[15:22] <_Groo_> potatoes tomatoes
[15:22] <_Groo_> JontheEchidna: PING a BIG ONE
[15:22] <shadeslayer> i'm just the guy who's very lazy and does nothing :P
[15:22] <yofel> _Groo_: I would appreciate it though if you want to do the copyright file for tomahawk if you really want to do something :PP
[15:23] <_Groo_> yofel: whats missing?
[15:23] <yofel> _Groo_: uh... your packaging had no copyright file?
[15:24] <ulmlogger> shadeslayer: see topic
[15:24] <shadeslayer> well, thats there
[15:24] <_Groo_> yofel: yeah i forgot
[15:24] <_Groo_> yofel: they are doing a 0.2.2 this weekend, ill update it then
[15:25] <yofel> _Groo_: I'll try to fix the rest of the packaging then until then
[15:25] <_Groo_> yofel: sure... did you decided how you gonna treat the third party libs?
[15:26] <mfraz74> Is anyone else seeing Amarok constantly asking to install packages?
[15:26] <yofel> not yet
[15:27] <Quintasan> ulmlogger: What yofel said, do we have to put tomahawk in archive?
[15:28] <ulmlogger> no we do not have to
[15:28] <ulmlogger> we could
[15:29] <ulmlogger> certainly not much of gain right nwo
[15:29] <ulmlogger> providing a PPA seems more important considering the age of the project
[15:29] <shadeslayer> "* Dialogues within dialogues not ideal."
[15:29] <shadeslayer> lul :P
[15:30] <Quintasan> ulmlogger: That's what I was going to suggest taking "I'm strongly opposed to putting that into archive" stance
[15:32] <Quintasan> yofel, _Groo_: Well, as you see, ulmlogger thinks we can put it into PPA for now and I was going to suggest the same
[15:33] <mfraz74> Noticed my netbook was running sluggishly this morning, turns out kded4  was using 100% of the CPU.
[15:33] <Quintasan> It's 0.2, nowhere near being feature-complete and stable
[15:33] <Quintasan> mfraz74: Oh this, should be fixed soon
[15:33] <Quintasan> kudos to debfx
[15:33] <mfraz74> Quintasan: Thanks, I was going to raise a bug report
[15:34] <_Groo_> it already has a oficial ppa, my own
[15:34] <Quintasan> bug #750554
[15:34] <Quintasan> mfraz74: ^
[15:34] <_Groo_> and this weekend im gonna upload the oneiric build
[15:34] <Quintasan> ulmlogger: Can you convince ScottK to upload kde-runtime?
[15:37] <Quintasan> if not then we could possibly make shadeslayer do the required changes 
[15:38] <Quintasan> ScottK: Did you look at my merge request?
[15:39] <ulmlogger> Quintasan: didnt you make a multibuild?
[15:39] <Quintasan> ulmlogger: multibuild of what?
[15:39] <ulmlogger> _Groo_: your ppa != official ppa
[15:39] <ulmlogger> Quintasan: runtime
[15:40] <ulmlogger> one activitymanager with patches and one without
[15:40] <_Groo_> ulmlogger: yes it is... look at gettomahawk.com
[15:40] <ulmlogger> yeah
[15:40] <_Groo_> ulmlogger: if you mean, to make a new oficial tomahawk ppa, sure...
[15:40] <ulmlogger> whatever
[15:40] <Quintasan> ulmlogger: No I did not since I'm busy with moving furniture and tons of books around the house ATM
[15:40] <_Groo_> ulmlogger: i dont mind :D
[15:40] <ulmlogger> Quintasan: well, I also do not feel comfortable uploading runtime as it is
[15:40] <ulmlogger> I mean, breakage if discovered is easily reverted
[15:41] <ulmlogger> but that of course requires a considerable amount of testing
[15:42] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: http://paste.kde.org/111829
[15:42] <_Groo_> ulmlogger: why did you say my ppa is not oficial? do you know anything i dont? oO
[15:42] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: https://code.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/kde-runtime
[15:42] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: Now you have something to do :P
[15:43] <shadeslayer> no, now i have too much stuff to do :P
[15:43] <_Groo_> shadeslayer: lol
[15:43] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: Well, we are past feature freeze and we need it like NOW
[15:43] <shadeslayer> right
[15:44] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: And I'm forced to go AFK by superior forces
[15:44] <_Groo_> shadeslayer: tell him, show me the money! speed = $$$
[15:44] <shadeslayer> ffffffuuuuuuu ets
[15:45] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: If you are looking for examples of double building see kde-workspace (bzr) or quassel
[15:46]  * Quintasan is back to moving stuff
[15:46] <shadeslayer> k
[16:12] <ScottK> Quintasan: I looked at the workspace one.  Seems fine.
[16:22] <cyphermox> yofel, ScottK: I spent a few hours last night tracking down why kded4 is running at 100% cpu but not really succeeding at making much sense of it; IIRC it's just trying to poll file descriptors and something answers EAGAIN
[16:22] <ScottK> cyphermox: I just uploaded an ntrack fix for debfx that relateds.
[16:23] <ScottK> You'd need to ask him if that's a complete solution though.
[16:23] <cyphermox> ok
[16:24] <cyphermox> aye, seems reasonable, I guess
[16:56]  * bambee has nothing to do... :P
[16:58] <shadeslayer> bambee: /topic xD
[16:58] <_Groo_> JontheEchidna: ping
[17:12] <shadeslayer> rbelem: i'd like to discuss https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-o-kubuntu-filesharing
[17:12] <shadeslayer> when you're free
[17:13] <rbelem> shadeslayer, i think that we will postpone in favor of places view work
[17:13] <shadeslayer> places view work?
[17:13] <shadeslayer> bbiab
[17:14] <rbelem> shadeslayer, kdelibs/kfile/kfileplacesview.cpp
[17:15] <rbelem> shadeslayer, afiestas asked me to focus on this now. he thinks it has a higher priority
[17:17] <shadeslayer> ah
[17:17]  * shadeslayer looks
[17:23] <afiestas> rbelem: hey I'm not your boss or anything...
[17:23] <afiestas> do as you please man xD
[17:23] <afiestas> but yes, placesview is more important imho
[17:23] <rbelem> afiestas, but you are my master
[17:24]  * rbelem waves at afiestas 
[17:24] <rbelem> :-D
[17:24] <rbelem> agateau didn't want to be my master
[17:25] <rbelem> afiestas, now you are :-D
[17:26]  * rbelem pokes afiestas 
[17:27]  * rbelem pokes afiestas again
[17:28]  * rbelem pokes afiestas one more time
[17:30]  * bambee gives some help to rbelem and pokes afiestas again :P
[17:31]  * shadeslayer gives rbelem the fluffy poking stick
[17:31] <shadeslayer> just keep it away from ulmlogger
[17:31] <rbelem> thanks bambee, shadeslayer 
[17:31] <shadeslayer> it does funny things around him :P
[17:32] <rbelem> you are so kind
[17:32] <rbelem> :-D
[17:34] <shadeslayer> ^_^
[17:38] <afiestas> rbelem: xD... 
[17:39] <rbelem> afiestas, i thought that you didn't want to be my master
[17:39] <rbelem> :-D
[17:48] <afiestas> rbelem: shut up and keep hacking on placesview
[17:48] <afiestas> I want results by the end of the next week
[17:48] <afiestas> and btw, you promess me a screenshot, where is it?
[17:48] <afiestas> I want it NOW !
[17:48] <afiestas> rbelem: I can be a very very bad master :D
[17:50] <rbelem> afiestas, yes sir!
[17:50] <rbelem> afiestas, i could not send because my son got a flu yesterday
[17:51] <rbelem> afiestas, today i will send it, sir :-D
[17:52] <shadeslayer> lol
[17:55] <afiestas> rbelem: that's not an excuse
[17:55] <afiestas> sleep less, work harder, take drugs I don't care
[17:55] <afiestas> but I want my screenshot today
[17:56] <afiestas> bleh, is not even funny say those things
[17:56] <afiestas> so I'm going to stop :p
[17:56] <rbelem> hahahaha
[17:56] <rbelem> :-D
[19:27] <debfx> ScottK: would you grant a FFe for converting plasma-widget-message-indicator from cdbs to dh(1)?
[19:27] <ScottK> debfx: Yes.
[19:27] <ScottK> Just put the debdiff and a build log in the bug and it's no problem.
[19:28] <jjesse> DarkwingDuck you around?  manage-applications needs a complete re-write for muon i think
[19:28] <debfx> ok, thanks. I hope it's one of the last packages that use cdbs with pkg-kde-tools
[19:28] <jjesse> DarkwingDuck i committed a copule of changes but more need to be done
[19:45] <bulldog98_> ulmlogger: what do you think about an updated ninja pbuilder site?
[19:52] <Quintasan> bulldog98_: ulmlogger probably likes the idea
[19:52] <bulldog98> Quintasan: I’ll test my pbuilder config and then I may edit the site
[20:04] <bulldog98> ulmlogger: your settings look fine
[20:08] <bulldog98> is it possible to source an other pbuilderrc within an pbuilderrc?
[20:08] <Quintasan> Not really
[20:09] <Quintasan> Just copy paste the contents?
[20:09] <bulldog98> Quintasan: I would like to ship an pbuilderrc and just have the user to configure some simple things
[20:13] <Quintasan> bulldog98: Use comments inside the config then
[20:13] <bulldog98> Quintasan: still it would be cool if the dev wouldn’t have to change the file, if we invent better stuff
[21:02] <debfx> ScottK: FFe waiting for your approval: bug #829768
[21:08] <yofel> does anyone have any news on that printer applet crash btw.?
[21:12] <debfx> yofel: does it still crash?
[21:12] <debfx> I thought the python-qt4 and/or sip4 updates fixed those
[21:12] <yofel> I got a crash today at login, and someone else just said in +1 that it crashed
[21:13] <debfx> do you have the latest versions of those installed?
[21:15] <yofel> hm, not the latest upload of sip, let's see if it helps
[21:18] <debfx> maybe python-qt4 needs to be rebuilt with the latest sip4
[21:19] <yofel> scott uploaded a pyqt build a while ago
[21:23] <yofel> crash, let's see if the pyqt rebuild helps once it arrives here
[21:23] <debfx> does this look sane? http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/kde-workspace/revision/551
[21:23] <debfx> I'm open to suggestions for a better check
[21:27] <yofel> hm, should work
[21:29] <debfx> a dpkg-query --is-package-installed switch would be nice ...
[21:30] <yofel> I didn't even know you could use dpkg-query for that, I would've used something crazy like 'dpkg -l gtk2-engines-oxygen | tail -n 1 | grep -q ^ii'
[21:30] <yofel> not even sure if that has a potential to break
[21:31] <bulldog98_> yofel: +1 crash
[21:31]  * sheytan wonders where apachelogger is
[21:31] <yofel> sheytan: you're looking for ulmlogger
[21:32] <bulldog98> yofel: you where faster
[21:32] <bulldog98> :)
[21:32] <sheytan> yofel yep :D
[21:32] <sheytan> thanks
[21:32] <sheytan> ulmlogger: ping ping pong
[21:32] <yofel> ah, looking at dpkg-query manpage my command would fail as soon as you hold the package -.-
[21:37] <debfx> oh great, the manpage says that Status is an internal field
[21:52] <JontheEchidna> Groo still here?
[21:52] <JontheEchidna> guess not
[21:52] <JontheEchidna> !seen _Groo_
[21:52] <JontheEchidna> ~seen _Groo_
[21:52] <kubotu> _Groo_ was last seen 2 hours, 57 minutes and 42 seconds ago, quitting IRC (Quit: Page closed)
[22:07] <sheytanDroid> ulmlogger: Google for safari top sites. i. want recently played in dragon3 that way. what ya think?
[22:10] <ulmlogger> I do not think it makes sense
[22:10] <sheytanDroid> ulmlogger i only mean the layout of previews
[22:11] <ulmlogger> you mean the curving?
[22:11] <sheytanDroid> yep
[22:11] <ulmlogger> definitely not with live playbacks
[22:11] <sheytanDroid> :(
[22:11] <ulmlogger> also I think it rather makes no sense because we have text next to it
[22:11] <sheytanDroid> tech. issue?
[22:11] <ulmlogger> which puts off the enitre visual balance
[22:12] <JontheEchidna> The last vestiges of KDE3 were removed from the archive today.
[22:12] <sheytanDroid> atleast reflection for what weve got now?
[22:12] <ulmlogger> no
[22:12] <ulmlogger> because you can scroll
[22:12] <sheytanDroid> y
[22:13] <ulmlogger> plus reflection with blur and transparency of multiple videos is unbarable of hardware right now
[22:13] <ulmlogger> you'd kill a top notch system with that
[22:13] <sheytanDroid> damn
[22:14] <sheytanDroid> anyway
[22:14] <sheytanDroid> i redid the artwork mostly
[22:14] <ulmlogger> please send
[22:14] <sheytanDroid> cant today. will finish it tomorrw then sent :)
[22:15] <sheytanDroid> plus im working on the whole UI still. 
[22:16] <sheytanDroid> ok. talk to ya tomorrow.  bye :)
[22:17] <bambee> Could someone update kde-l10n in main, please ?
[22:18] <skreech_> Ubuntu is going Systemd ?
[22:18] <skreech_> JontheEchidna: \o/
[22:18] <skreech_> JontheEchidna: Notify the Trinity?
[22:18] <JontheEchidna> they probably already provide the whole kde3 stack separately now
[22:24]  * bulldog98 got contour running on the ExoPc with Kubuntu
[22:31] <bulldog98> ulmlogger: have you uploaded the settings to archive?
[22:35] <JontheEchidna> I'm thinking of skipping Muon Suite's codename down to 'O' and go with Omniscient Ood
[22:35] <Quintasan> :O
[22:36] <JontheEchidna> Quintasan: btw, if a Russian says that Muon "is suitable thing", is that as the best compliment I could expect to get? :P
[22:38] <Quintasan> JontheEchidna: Did he say that in Russian?
[22:38] <JontheEchidna> yeah
[22:39] <JontheEchidna> or that's what the Google tells me
[22:39] <Quintasan> copypasta that
[22:39] <yofel> skreech_: systemd was postponed till after LTS at least, we'll know for UDS-Q
[22:39] <Sput> ulmlogger: still in Ulm?
[22:39]  * Quintasan wonders why we didn't backport the Activators fix
[22:40] <yofel> what activators fix?
[22:40] <JontheEchidna> годная вещь
[22:40] <Quintasan> http://www.santyago.pl/files/kde-workspace-4.7.0-launcher.patch
[22:41] <Quintasan> This
[22:41] <JontheEchidna> They should have named systemd InitKit
[22:41] <Quintasan> JontheEchidna: That's not really the best you could possibly get but it's quite near
[22:41] <JontheEchidna> :P
[22:41] <JontheEchidna> from a Russian anyway
[22:42] <JontheEchidna> what does that patch do?
[22:42] <Quintasan> yofel JontheEchidna http://santyago.pl/media/zoom/publish/2011/08/kde47-bugaktywator.png
[22:42] <Quintasan> See this
[22:42] <yofel> Quintasan: feel free to do so - it is annyoing if it fixes the issue I'm thinking of
[22:43] <Quintasan> try selecting that option on your installation
[22:43] <yofel> Quintasan: I'm using that since 4.6
[22:43] <Quintasan> It does work?
[22:43] <yofel> in 4.6 sure, in 4.7...
[22:43]  * Quintasan backports
[22:44] <yofel> a) breaks horribly when switching activities b) if you close an app it doesn't necessarily create a launcher
[22:44] <Quintasan> I noticed b)
[22:45] <yofel> they are shown on login, and the launcher vanishes when you start an app, but it doesn't come back when you close it
[22:49] <yofel> fun, firefox 7 beta1 in oneiric
[22:50] <yofel> kde bug 262487
[22:51] <yofel> Quintasan: 75a87c1f1d15b25b42f9a7ba8333bc7ab036e58e should fix b) if I understand the bug right
[22:52] <Quintasan> Hmm, the patch I got is a little bit longer
[22:52] <Quintasan> IT possibly unbreaks activities too
[22:52] <Quintasan> Let me test
[22:53] <yofel> ebfd002f5481c744a9078dd0baf591b3ad1ebf43 and b1ba1ec59b98971ab9bc8078cc5c31684335ce32 seem to be the activities fixes
[22:54] <yofel> e3851ca9dbc417139a9107a6f18fcacd7f0fec0d too
[22:54] <yofel> kde bug 264914
[22:57] <yofel> Quintasan: yep, your patch has all 4 commits
[22:57]  * Quintasan thanks Korneliusz for putting that together
[22:59] <Quintasan> yofel: Was it workspace that can break NM in natty?
[23:00] <yofel> yes - rather than backporting take the natty packge and add the patch. Easier
[23:00] <JontheEchidna> Is this multiarch breakage? (local build)
[23:00] <JontheEchidna> make[2]: *** No rule to make target `/usr/lib/libQtTest.so', needed by `installer/muon-installer'.  Stop.
[23:00] <yofel> JontheEchidna: something has libQtTest hardcoded I guess
[23:00] <yofel> qzeitgeist was the last one I can think of
[23:01] <JontheEchidna> I do link against that
[23:01] <yofel> debfx: did you fix qzeitgeist?
[23:01] <yofel> if yes: how?
[23:02] <debfx> yofel: no, why would it need fixing?
[23:03] <debfx> JontheEchidna: you probably need to run make distclean so cmake picks up the new libQtTest path
[23:03] <yofel> debfx: the qt lib locations in the cmake config file?
[23:03] <yofel> or do they really have to be in there?
[23:04] <debfx> I don't think cmake hardcodes the qt lib path
[23:05] <yofel> debfx: /usr/share/qzeitgeist/cmake/QZeitgeistExport-noconfig.cmake has them hardcoded
[23:05] <debfx> oh right, forgot about that
[23:06] <yofel> so either we figure out how to remove that or qzeitgeist needs a rebuild at least
[23:08] <Quintasan> yofel: Turns out, I did add fix_launcher_not_appearing.diff but that doesnt work for some reason
[23:08] <yofel> hm... give me a few minutes and I'll try it
[23:09] <Quintasan> Screw it, I'm removing it and adding that one
[23:09] <Quintasan> Fixes more things at once
[23:12] <Daskreech> yofel: but they are moving to it?
[23:13] <yofel> Daskreech: systemd? I know there was some talk on it, but there's no intention to move until the next LTS is out, so nothing new for now
[23:13] <yofel> if they're moving
[23:14]  * Quintasan doesn't care as long as it boots
[23:14] <Daskreech> Quintasan: GNOME OS? :0
[23:14]  * yofel would like for mountall to become unbroken at some point...
[23:14] <Daskreech> :-)
[23:14] <Quintasan> WTF
[23:14] <Quintasan> yofel: KDE-WORKSPACE BUILDS WITH -J12 IN NATTY PBUILDER
[23:14] <Quintasan> FFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUU-
[23:14] <yofel> BWAHAHAHA
[23:15] <Quintasan> dh_auto_build '--buildsystem=kde' --parallel  
[23:15] <Quintasan>         cd obj-x86_64-linux-gnu
[23:15] <Quintasan>         make -j12
[23:15] <Quintasan> :/
[23:17] <Quintasan> How many -j's should I actually use?
[23:18]  * Quintasan heard it's 1,5x cores
[23:18] <Quintasan> or 2x cores
[23:20] <yofel> well, not really, usually there's no point in using more than cores+1 jobs
[23:20] <yofel> if you using icecc it only distributes CORES jobs to every system in the grid
[23:20] <yofel> *you're
[23:22]  * Quintasan has a one-core 64bit box next to him
[23:22] <Quintasan> I wonder if I should bother
[23:23] <yofel> probably not worth it, unless you're really rebuilding stuff a lot.
[23:23] <yofel> actually, then ccache would save more time
[23:23] <Quintasan> uhhh
[23:24] <Quintasan> yofel: http://paste.kde.org/112057
[23:24] <Quintasan> WTF
[23:26] <yofel> hm, most of that is toochain stuff, but that added symbol and the taskmanager stuff at the bottom are odd...
[23:26] <yofel> *toolchain
[23:26] <yofel> or that's toolchain too...
[23:28]  * Quintasan installs and relogs
[23:31] <Quintasan> IT'S ALIVE
[23:32] <Quintasan> yofel: The activity switching is working too
[23:32] <Quintasan> uploading to backports
[23:32] <yofel>  \o/
[23:33] <Quintasan> 4.7.1 is supposed to fix it
[23:33] <Quintasan> We will get rejects then :P
[23:33] <yofel> it is, the commits are in the 4.7 branch
[23:33] <Quintasan> uploaded
[23:33]  * Quintasan goes to bed
[23:33] <Quintasan> Good night
[23:34] <yofel> Quintasan: did you put that into natty only?
[23:34] <Quintasan> For now, yes
[23:34] <yofel> k
[23:34] <Quintasan> oneyerick need that too?
[23:34] <yofel> well yes, although with 4.7.1 like 2 weeks away I'm not sure if it's worth it
[23:34] <Quintasan> Same here
[23:35] <Quintasan> If for some reason it won't fix that we will put it ASAP
[23:35] <Quintasan> :P
[23:35]  * Quintasan jots down to test it
[23:35] <yofel> uh, if it doesn't Dirk has broken scripts again ^^
[23:36] <Quintasan> ulmlogger: IIRC you were to fix some kcm related patch, let me know when you are done
[23:36]  * Quintasan goes to bed for sure
[23:36] <Quintasan> Good night :P
[23:36] <yofel> gn
[23:48] <Daskreech> gn
[23:56] <Riddell> weird e-mail du jour http://paste.kde.org/112063/