[04:20] <pitti> Good morning
[04:21] <pitti> TheMuso: hm, so that new dependency didn't go so well, bug 828759
[04:21] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 828759 in ubuntu-meta "package ubuntu-desktop 1.240 failed to install/upgrade: ErrorMessage: dependency problems - leaving unconfigured" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/828759
[04:21] <pitti> TheMuso: but at least that explains why it wasn't installed before
[04:21] <TheMuso> pitti: I don't understand what the problem is in that bug.
[04:22] <TheMuso> Yes it does.
[04:24] <micahg> pitti: seems to be having mirror issues
[04:26] <micahg> or rather cache issues
[04:28] <pitti> TheMuso: apparently a natty install has some old at-spi 1 packages available which don't want to be removed or something like that?
[04:29] <pitti> micahg: I don't think so; it's got 4 dupes, and the at-spi-2 packages didn't change in weeks
[04:29] <TheMuso> pitti: Grrr I'll try updating the at-spi stack in a chroot. There should not be a problem.
[04:30] <pitti> should be relatively easy to reproduce in a natty chroot
[04:30] <pitti> I can see to investigating this in the next days
[04:30] <pitti> (unless someone beats me to it)
[04:35] <TheMuso> I'm on it now.
[05:28] <TheMuso> pitti: hrm I can't reproduce it in a chroot at least.
[05:29] <jbicha> TheMuso: what if you have some app installed that depends on at-spi, like gok for instance
[05:29] <TheMuso> jbicha: Good point let me try that.
[06:03] <pitti> TheMuso: as long as there are still rdepends of at-spi, does at-spi2-core really need to conflict to it?
[06:09] <TheMuso> pitti: Yes, because you can't run at-spi and at-spi2 at the same time.
[06:09] <TheMuso> at-spi uses CORBA, at-spi2 uses dbus.
[06:09] <TheMuso> Both are daemons.
[06:09] <pitti> do they bite each other?
[06:10] <TheMuso> Not that I know of.
[06:11] <pitti> there are only some 3 or 4 rdepends of at-spi left, perhaps it's actually easier to migrate them
[06:12] <TheMuso> Well java-atk-wrapper which replaces java-access-bridge is sitting in NEW afaik, I think dasher has some changes in git to work with at-spi2 but not 100% sure.
[06:12] <TheMuso> Gok can probably be removed, as its deprecated upstream.
[06:14] <TheMuso> jbicha: gok just gets removed normally.
[06:14] <jbicha> why does pitivi fail to build? gnome-doc-utils is installed but the configuration test fails
[06:42] <Sweetshark> jbicha: 3.4.1, but I will update to 3.4.2. Once a 3.4 package is in there it is not that much of an issue anymore.
[06:43] <Sweetshark> Morning desktoppers!
[06:43] <jbicha> Sweetshark: good morning
[06:45] <Sweetshark> pitti: Could you help me along with https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libreoffice/+bug/828724?
[06:45] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 828724 in libreoffice "[FFE] LibreOffice 3.4 for Oneiric" [Undecided,New]
[07:26] <chrisccoulson_> is anybody up for testing the new firefox apport hook before i upload it?
[07:44] <jbicha> chrisccoulson: when does the apport hook happen? I thought the Mozilla's breakpad or whatever handled crashes?
[07:44] <chrisccoulson> jbicha, yeah, but we still have a hook for other bug reports
[07:44] <chrisccoulson> http://paste.ubuntu.com/669820/ is what i'm going to upload
[07:45] <jbicha> I saw the sample bug report yesterday, but Firefox doesn't even have LPI, does it?
[07:46] <jbicha> oh, nm I was using the mini toolbar instead
[07:46] <mvo> pitti: good morning! the "do not mix static and dynamic bindings", does this apply for gmenu as well? i.e. will I run into problems when I use the dynamic gmenu bindings with static gtk2?
[07:49] <chrisccoulson> jbicha, yeah, it's had it for ages
[07:49] <chrisccoulson> we already have an apport hook, but it's not all that useful
[07:49] <chrisccoulson> once the new one is in, i'm going to start automatically closing the bugs that are submitted via the launchpad interface
[07:49] <chrisccoulson> because the quality of most of those is just shockingly appalling
[07:50] <chrisccoulson> and the new hook answers most of the questions we'd normally ask in that case
[07:50] <jbicha> are there privacy concerns with all of the data in the new apport hook?
[07:50] <chrisccoulson> jbicha, no
[07:50] <jbicha> are some about:config preferences private?
[07:50] <chrisccoulson> jbicha, there is a whitelist for those
[07:50] <jbicha> oh ok, thanks
[07:50] <chrisccoulson> everything in there is what upstream put in about:support already
[07:52] <chrisccoulson> the new hook answers the question in bug 827848 too, which seems to be quite common now
[07:52] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 827848 in firefox "firefox 6 , ubuntu 11.04 64 bit ATI proprietary driver" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/827848
[08:03] <rodrigo_> morning
[08:03] <seb128> hey desktopers
[08:05] <chrisccoulson> good morning seb128
[08:05] <RAOF> Hey seb128!
[08:05] <seb128> hey chrisccoulson, RAOF, how are you?
[08:05] <chrisccoulson> seb128, i'm good thanks
[08:06] <chrisccoulson> how are you?
[08:06] <RAOF> I'm tired.  But at 6pm on Friday, so that doesn't count :)
[08:06] <chrisccoulson> seb128, you just volunteered to be a guinea pig ;)
[08:07] <seb128> no I didn't?
[08:07] <seb128> I'm fine thanks
[08:07] <seb128> RAOF: yeah, you should call it a week ;-)
[08:07] <RAOF> *And* I've got a compiz with alt-tab that (a) doesn't leak like a seive, (b) doesn't crash, no matter how hard I abuse it, and (c) doesn't cause videos to stutter when it comes up.
[08:07] <seb128> it's beer time
[08:07] <chrisccoulson> seb128, can you copy http://paste.ubuntu.com/669820/ to /usr/share/apport/package-hooks/firefox.py and try to report a firefox bug? :)
[08:08] <seb128> RAOF: your doing or the update from yesterday?
[08:08] <chrisccoulson> i want to make sure it works on at least one other persons system really
[08:08] <pitti> hey mvo
[08:08] <pitti> mvo: hmm, I'm not entirely sure
[08:08] <pitti> mvo: but doesn't the current s-c use dynamic gmenu already?
[08:08] <RAOF> seb128: I've been guiniepigging for DBO.
[08:09] <seb128> hey pitti mvo
[08:09] <pitti> mvo: eek, current s-c indeed fails to start right now with the new pygobject :/
[08:09] <pitti> hey seb128
[08:09] <seb128> RAOF: I got the new unity in the ubuntu-desktop ppa btw
[08:09] <pitti> seb128: hm, the new unity doesn't feeel and look any different than the one currently in oneiric
[08:09] <RAOF> How new?  Trunk, as of 3 hours ago?
[08:09] <pitti> it crashes about as often, dash is the same, etc.
[08:09] <RAOF> Because that's when the fixes landed.
[08:10] <pitti> and it still messes up teh screen on popup windows sometimes
[08:10] <seb128> RAOF: no, tarball from yesterday afternoon
[08:10] <chrisccoulson> pitti - you get that too?
[08:10] <mvo> pitti: ok, I can fix this by using the old gmenu for now, not ideal that
[08:10] <pitti> chrisccoulson: usually the apport-gtk ones; sometimes the bottom half of the buttons is broken
[08:10] <seb128> RAOF: but I can backport some extra commits when I upload to oneiric
[08:10] <pitti> chrisccoulson: and sometimes I have a ghost window which doesn't go away
[08:10] <RAOF> seb128: Yeah, you might want to distropatch a couple of these commits.
[08:10] <pitti> mvo: hm, that's NBS :/
[08:10] <chrisccoulson> pitti - i get a ghost window on one part of the screen, and it's frame on another part of the screen
[08:11] <chrisccoulson> quite frequently with apport-gtk too
[08:11] <chrisccoulson> but someone reported the same bug with thunderbird yesterday too
[08:11] <mvo> pitti: oh, well
[08:11] <pitti> mvo: bug 829186 is the tracking bug for remaining issues, perhaps we should add s-c there for the time being
[08:11] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 829186 in update-manager "Mixes static and GI library bindings" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/829186
[08:11] <chrisccoulson> i'm glad i'm not going insane
[08:11]  * mvo scratches head
[08:11] <seb128> pitti, not a real surprise it's not really different, there was like 15 commits in a week, most of those being segfault or leak fixes
[08:11] <pitti> mvo: if we don't sort it out, I guess we'll stay at 2.28 for oneiric, until we do the full switch in p?
[08:11] <chrisccoulson> i'm quite happy with unity-2d, and the dash isn't really laggy (even with the blur) :)
[08:12] <seb128> oh
[08:12] <pitti> chrisccoulson: it seems compiz tries to do some magic for popup windows or so?
[08:12] <seb128> the ppa version is much better dash performance wise with the blur on
[08:12] <chrisccoulson> pitti - i thought that, but someone got a similar bug with the main thunderbird window too
[08:12] <RAOF> I'm much more happy with unity now that I've discovered alt+`
[08:12] <chrisccoulson> pitti - bug 828980
[08:12] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 828980 in compiz "Window contents outside of boundary" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/828980
[08:12] <seb128> RAOF: is that to cycle between instances of a same application?
[08:13] <mvo> pitti: what options do we have to sort it out? remove the gmenu functionatlity from gtk2 I guess?
[08:13] <RAOF> seb128: Yeah.  alt-tab to the group, then alt+` to get the expanded view.
[08:13] <pitti> mvo: or stay at 2.28
[08:13] <mvo> right
[08:13] <pitti> mvo: hm, I wonder if the current crash is really due to gmenu, though
[08:14] <pitti> mvo:   File "/home/martin/upstream/software-center/softwarecenter/backend/weblive.py", line 25, in <module>
[08:14] <pitti>     from gi.repository import GObject
[08:14] <pitti> mvo: it crashes there ^
[08:14] <RAOF> seb128: Because I'm not fastidious about keeping workspaces task-focused I think this will end up making alt-tab more useful for me.
[08:14] <pitti> but software-center should use gobject, right?
[08:14] <pitti> not GI
[08:14] <pitti> mvo: give me five minutes to look at this crash
[08:14] <mvo> pitti: well, this is the ui indepedant part, it needs to select dynamically as well
[08:15] <pitti> mvo: right, and in a few more places; walking through them
[08:15] <mvo> thanks!
[08:15] <rodrigo_> I got an answer from cjwatson about adding g-c-m to the desktop set, where he says it should be added to a seed, can someone please do that?
[08:15] <rodrigo_> ditto for gnome-contacts
[08:15] <seb128> RAOF: yeah, the new design seem to be optimized for people not using workspaces
[08:15] <mvo> I wonder if it would actually be less work to simply split trunk into gtk2/gtk3 :/
[08:16] <seb128> rodrigo_, hey
[08:16] <rodrigo_> hey seb128
[08:16] <pitti> mvo: confirmed, you can't import GMenu and gobject
[08:16] <pitti> pretty much every GIR includes GObject
[08:16] <seb128> rodrigo_, ken uploaded gnome-contacts, do you know if there is a ffe bug?
[08:16] <mvo> pitti: thanks
[08:16] <rodrigo_> seb128, hmm, no
[08:16] <rodrigo_> I don't see the upload
[08:16] <pitti> mvo: gmenu and GObject works, though, but that doesn't help us
[08:16] <RAOF> seb128: And I'm pretty sure that most people don't use workspaces a lot, so that seems like a reasonable thing ;)
[08:16] <seb128> rodrigo_, well to see those I think they should be promoted, what you need there is to apply for motu
[08:16] <seb128> RAOF: yeah, it just screw us old school users :p
[08:16] <rodrigo_> yeah
[08:17] <seb128> rodrigo_, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/oneiric/+queue
[08:17] <seb128> rodrigo_, it's in there
[08:17] <rodrigo_> ah
[08:17] <seb128> rodrigo_, i.e it got uploaded
[08:17] <seb128> it just needs a ffe and an archive admin review
[08:19] <pitti> mvo: voila!
[08:20] <pitti> mvo: so, right-clicking in the left list still causes exceptions, presumably due to gmenu
[08:20] <pitti> otherwise it works now
[08:21] <mvo> cool
[08:21] <mvo> progress :)
[08:22] <pitti> mvo: pushed to lp:~pitti/software-center/gi-fixes again
[08:23] <pitti> mvo: the other option is to package the old gnome-menus again in a separate source pacakge, to get python-gmenu back
[08:23] <rodrigo_> seb128,  FFE bug filed for gnome-contacts in LP, right?
[08:23] <pitti> mvo: we actually discussed that when we updated the package
[08:23] <seb128> rodrigo_, correct
[08:23] <pitti> but thought we'd try updateing the rdepends first
[08:23] <rodrigo_> because it seems no bugs can be added to g-c in LP
[08:24] <seb128> rodrigo_, yeah, can't before the upload is accepted, the source doesn't exist yet
[08:24] <rodrigo_> ah
[08:24] <seb128> rodrigo_, open it without a component, i.e against ubuntu
[08:24] <rodrigo_> ok
[08:25] <pitti> mvo: pushed a followup fix to unbreak the "Chronik"
[08:25] <Sweetshark> pitti: could you just guve me a short confirmation that bug 828724 is fine from our side (e.g. only waiting for the ok from release team)?
[08:25] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 828724 in libreoffice "[FFE] LibreOffice 3.4 for Oneiric" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/828724
[08:25] <pitti> mvo: could you give this a try?
[08:25] <mvo> pitti: sure, thanks. hold on a minute
[08:26] <pitti> mvo: so, right-clicking in the left list still causes exceptions, presumably due to gmenuhttps://code.launchpad.net/~pitti/software-center/gi-fixes/+merge/72152
[08:27] <pitti> Sweetshark: acked
[08:28] <rodrigo_> seb128, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/829246 <- is this ok, or does it need more info?
[08:28] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 829246 in ubuntu "[FFE] Include gnome-contacts" [Undecided,New]
[08:28] <seb128> pitti, ^
[08:29] <seb128> rodrigo_, I don't do ffe approvals, let's check with pitti
[08:29] <rodrigo_> ok, pitti ^
[08:29] <pitti> rodrigo_: that's for inclusion into universe for now, right?
[08:29] <mvo> pitti: works for me now, where exactly do I need to right click to crash it? that seems to be ok for me, but let me double check if I have all the ppa updates
[08:29] <seb128> pitti, yeah, one step at the time, let's get it in the archive to start
[08:29] <pitti> I wouldn't mind at all seeing it in the desktop CD, but that requires MIR first, etc., so I can't approve that yet
[08:30] <rodrigo_> pitti: seb128 mentioned adding it to the CD, as it's small, but yes, universe for now is ok
[08:30] <pitti> mvo: right, that was fixed by my second commit
[08:30] <mvo> pitti: aha, cool :)
[08:30] <pitti> mvo: I don't actually know where the GMenu functionality is used
[08:30] <seb128> pitti, I want it in an tested first while we deal with mir etc
[08:30] <pitti> right
[08:30] <mvo> pitti: and software-center-gtk3 starts now too with the latest update!
[08:30] <mvo> nice work
[08:31] <pitti> \o/
[08:31] <pitti> rodrigo_: acked
[08:31] <rodrigo_> pitti, danke
[08:34] <seb128> pitti, do you feel like doing the NEW review as well? ;-)
[08:34] <pitti> seb128: yes, I said so in the FFE
[08:34] <seb128> if not I will do it a bit later once I'm done with the unity updates
[08:34] <seb128> ok, great
[08:34] <seb128> danke
[08:34] <pitti> rodrigo_: is it uploaded already?
[08:46] <rodrigo_> pitti, it's in the queue
[08:46] <pitti> seb128: do I see that right, just gnome-utils and gnome-screensaver left for 3.1.5?
[08:47] <seb128> pitti, gnome-utils is done, seems I forgot to upload
[08:47] <pitti> and yelp-xsl for 3.1.4?
[08:47] <pitti> nice!
[08:47] <seb128> yelp-xsl is to sponsor
[08:47] <pitti> I do the first prep for weekly status/RC bug review, then I can help out with sponsoring if required
[08:47] <seb128> pitti, see "updates to claim" on http://pad.ubuntu-uk.org/oneiric-desktop
[08:48] <seb128> pitti, still a bunch to do
[08:49] <mvo> pitti: something else changed with the PPA too, Gdk.parse_color() used to return (success, color) and now its just a Gdk.Color() or None
[08:50] <pitti> mvo: ah, I guess someone added an override
[08:50] <mvo> pitti: ok, so its safe to update all code for this?
[08:50] <pitti> mvo: wasn't that a case which even the two of us discussed some days/weeks ago?
[08:50] <mvo> I don't think so (at least I don't remember :)
[08:50] <pitti> I remember that we had some function which returned (success, bla, bla)
[08:50] <mvo> I think that was gio releated
[08:50] <pitti> and in the non-success case the return values were invalid and caused segfaults
[08:51] <pitti> mvo: aah, it was Gtk.TextIter
[08:51] <mvo> aha, indeed
[08:51] <pitti> mvo: looks like the very same problem
[08:51] <pitti> mvo: hm, no override for that one
[08:52] <mvo> gio load_contents_async now also returns (res, content) instead of content or None
[08:52] <pitti> hm, there is no Gdk.parse_color()..
[08:52] <mvo> that is not what the old static api did
[08:53] <mvo> pitti: sorry, Gdk.color_parse()
[08:53] <pitti> aah
[08:53] <pitti> mvo: yes, there's an override
[08:53] <mvo> python -c 'from gi.repository import Gdk; print Gdk.color_parse("red")'
[08:53] <mvo> (True, <Gdk.Color(red=65535, green=0, blue=0)>)
[08:53] <mvo> and now just the color
[08:54] <mvo> so thats a new one in the PPA version onyl? honestly I think we should get it in if for nothing else then to provide a somewhat stable API
[08:54] <pitti> mvo: http://git.gnome.org/browse/pygobject/commit/?id=5b1c875
[08:54] <pitti> mvo: it actually restores compatibility with pygtk
[08:54] <mvo> I mean, if people port there stuff on oneiric and it will no longer work on P that will not look good on us
[08:54] <pitti> yes
[08:54] <mvo> right, its great to get it :)
[08:55] <mvo> could we get the same for the async content loading in gio :) ?
[08:55] <pitti> mvo: 3 down, 1 to check, 1 to go on bug 829186 :)
[08:55] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 829186 in update-manager "Mixes static and GI library bindings" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/829186
[08:55] <pitti> mvo: I'm happy to fix that, can you please report a bug upstream about it?
[08:55] <mvo> pitti: oh, what is missing in u-m ?
[08:55] <pitti> mvo: it's fix committed, I counted that as "done"
[08:56] <pitti> it's not uploaded yet, though, thus "committed", not "released"
[08:56] <mvo> oh, ok. sorry, I can upload that now
[08:56] <pitti> not that urgent
[09:09] <mvo> pitti: gnome bug #656872 but feel free to set to wontfix as the old API is not that great either, the len of the content is not that useful
[09:09] <ubot2> Gnome bug 656872 in gio "gio load_contents_finished return values changed" [Enhancement,Unconfirmed] http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=656872
[09:10] <seb128> pitti, I closed again bug #811852
[09:10] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 811852 in indicator-session "Top-right bar shows "nvalid UTF-8]"" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/811852
[09:10] <seb128> pitti, the remaining issues are unity-greeter ones and the upload I just did should set the greeter mode flag correctly for the the indicators to use
[09:11] <pitti> seb128: ok
[09:11] <seb128> pitti, if you still have an issue please do an "also affect unity-greeter" or open a new bug against it
[09:11] <pitti> mvo: hm, in that case we should prefer original C API over the pygtk API, I think
[09:11] <pitti> seb128: ok, will do; thanks!
[09:11] <seb128> yw ;-)
[09:12] <seb128> pitti, so my "most used applications are on the dash screen" is a race bug, it's not supposed to happen
[09:12] <mvo> pitti: yeah, thats fine, just close it then
[09:12] <seb128> checke with neil
[09:12] <seb128> checked
[09:15] <seb128> chrisccoulson, wb
[09:15] <seb128> chrisccoulson, you hook is working fine
[09:15] <chrisccoulson> seb128, excellent, thanks
[09:15] <seb128> it's collecting infos about my printer on 3 pages for some reasons
[09:16] <seb128> but it's working fine ;-)
[09:16] <chrisccoulson> seb128, yeah, i might add those to the blacklist
[09:16] <chrisccoulson> they're also added to the about:support page too
[09:16] <seb128> chrisccoulson, ok
[09:16] <chrisccoulson> (i use the same whitelist and blacklist as upstream for those)
[09:17] <seb128> chrisccoulson, does it tell you to go away if you tweaked stupid options? ;-)
[09:17] <chrisccoulson> seb128, it stops you from reporting a bug if you've upgraded firefox but not restarted the current instance
[09:18] <chrisccoulson> and it adds an extra field to the bug if you force layers acceleration on too
[09:18] <chrisccoulson> (which seems to be getting more common)
[09:18] <pitti> mvo: responded
[09:28] <pitti> rodrigo_: can you please fix debian/copyright to say GPL-2+? that's what the upstream sources say
[09:29] <mvo> seb128: what are the chances for bug #828680 - was something like that ever discussed with gtk upstream
[09:29] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 828680 in software-center "In "History" screen, Left, Right, and Space keys don't work" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/828680
[09:29] <rodrigo_> pitti, in gnome-contacts?
[09:29] <pitti> rodrigo_: yes
[09:29] <pitti> rodrigo_: looks fine otherwise; rejected, please upload with the same version number
[09:30] <seb128> pitti, he will need sponsoring, ken uploaded the one from yesterday since rodrigo_ is not motu yet
[09:31] <rodrigo_> pitti, yes, no permissions, I'll push to the branch and let you do the upload
[09:31] <pitti> rodrigo_: ah, ok
[09:31] <pitti> rodrigo_: where's the branch?
[09:32] <rodrigo_> pitti, pushed now to lp:~ubuntu-desktop/gnome-contacts/ubuntu
[09:35] <seb128> mvo, hum
[09:36] <seb128> mvo, https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=105895
[09:36] <ubot2> Gnome bug 105895 in GtkTreeView "Please add common keybindings for the TreeView" [Enhancement,Reopened]
[09:37] <rodrigo_> need to run some errands, bbiab
[09:37] <mvo> seb128: thanks!
[09:41] <davmor2> meh flash is broken on oneiric 64bit this morning :(
[09:46] <pitti> hm, works here
[09:46] <pitti> davmor2: but it's a bit fiddly indeed
[09:47] <pitti> with the new multiarch setup
[09:47] <pitti> chrisccoulson: ^ btw, the plugin finder should probably be taught how to install that properly?
[09:47] <pitti> davmor2: do you have multi-arch enabled?
[09:48] <davmor2> pitti: might be nsplugin at fault I'm just copying over the logs
[09:49] <davmor2> pitti: http://paste.ubuntu.com/669917/
[09:49] <pitti> mvo: eww - http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/livefs-build-logs/oneiric/ubuntu/20110819.1/livecd-20110819.1-i386.out
[09:50] <pitti> mvo: apparently update-apt-xapian-index is missing a python-gmenu depends? or can we port it to GMenu?
[09:50]  * pitti purges it locally and investigates
[09:50] <pitti> mvo: oh, this is actually using s-c code?
[09:52] <pitti> mvo: ah, seems in trunk you already killed it?
[09:52] <pitti> mvo: can we upload trunk to unbreak CD builds?
[09:53] <chrisccoulson> pitti - the plugin finder just needs the right metadata in the control file
[09:53] <chrisccoulson> although, it won't work yet in oneiric, as it requires the server to be updated (and only asac has access to that still) ;)
[09:54]  * desrt yawns
[09:54] <pitti> hey desrt
[09:54] <desrt> good morning, all
[09:55] <chrisccoulson> hi desrt
[09:55] <desrt> chrisccoulson, pitti; hihi
[09:56]  * desrt , after a few months of saying "why would i want to do that?", just installed firefox on his nexus s.  wow.
[09:56] <mvo> pitti: yeah, its ready
[09:56] <pitti> mvo: just did an u-a-x-i run with trunk, runs fine
[09:56] <chrisccoulson> desrt, do you find it quite slow?
[09:57] <chrisccoulson> i use it on my desire because of the bookmarks sync
[09:57] <chrisccoulson> but it's still much slower than the stock browser :(
[09:57] <desrt> chrisccoulson: no.. i find it pretty much the same speed as the built-in browser
[09:57] <desrt> chrisccoulson: but the feature set is rocking my world
[09:57] <mvo> pitti: I was preparing a upload anyway, but what should we do with the static gmenu now? mixing bindings and stay with pygojbect 2.28? or add a new source package for the old python-gmenu and keep the dependency? do we have more options?
[09:57] <desrt> the tabs concept is really sweet
[09:57] <chrisccoulson> yeah, it's pretty nice
[09:58] <desrt> i have it set as the browser that gets launched from my homescreen
[09:58] <pitti> mvo: I don't see more options, aside from stopp using it completely, of course
[09:58] <desrt> i only wish i could change the icon :)
[09:58] <chrisccoulson> and having all my data sync with is pretty neat too. it's quite freaky to get all the history from my laptop appearing on my phone ;)
[09:58] <pitti> mvo: I'd slightly prefer bringing back python-gmenu, though; WDYT?
[09:58] <mvo> pitti: yeah, I agree
[09:58] <jbicha> mvo: when I start Update Manager with no updates to install, it crashes: http://paste.ubuntu.com/669930/
[09:58] <desrt> chrisccoulson: ya... i'm considering setting that up, but i'm a bit scared :)
[09:59] <mvo> pitti: I will upload the fix now
[09:59] <pitti> mvo: there's quite a few rdepends on libgnome-menu2 anwyay
[09:59] <mvo> jbicha: ups, should be fixed in trunk
[09:59] <jbicha> mvo: cool, thanks
[09:59] <asac> chrisccoulson: cant you file an RT to get access?
[10:00] <chrisccoulson> asac - sure, can do
[10:00] <mvo> jbicha: if you have a moment it would be nice if you could "bzr branch lp:update-manager ; cd update-manager; ./update-manager" to double check that the fix is good
[10:00] <chrisccoulson> is universe enabled on default installs btw?
[10:00] <chrisccoulson> it's been so long since i did a fresh install on this machine ;)
[10:00] <mvo> yes
[10:01] <chrisccoulson> mvo - thanks
[10:01] <jbicha> mvo: yes, that seems to work
[10:05] <jbicha> mvo: clicking Settings in Update Manager still uses gksu instead of pkexec
[10:05] <mvo> jbicha: oh, thanks, let me fix that as well
[10:05] <seb128> isn't software-properties running as a simple user nowadays?
[10:06] <seb128> brb
[10:07] <jbicha> yes, software-properties doesn't need root to open, just to change certain settings
[10:14] <roignac> matisyahu
[10:14] <Sweetshark> anyone having an idea why dch ignored my DEBFULLNAME="foo" in ~/.devscripts?
[10:15] <Laney> Sweetshark: that is an environment variable
[10:16] <Sweetshark> Laney: well, thats what I tried before :/
[10:17] <Laney> do you have $DEBEMAIL set?
[10:17] <Laney> laney@raleigh> echo $DEBFULLNAME - $DEBEMAIL                                                                               ~
[10:17] <Laney> Iain Lane - laney@debian.org
[10:21] <xclaesse> is it known that gnome-shell won't start with oneiric?
[10:21] <xclaesse> when selecting the GNOME session
[10:22] <xclaesse> I have to open a terminal and start  it with GI_TYPELIB_PATH=/usr/lib/girepository-1.0/ gnome-shell --replace
[10:22] <xclaesse> otherwise it does not find Clutter typelib
[10:24] <Sweetshark> Laney: hmm, picked a fresh shell, now it seems to work, thanks
[10:24] <Laney> np (put it in your .bashrc or similar) :-)
[11:02] <xclaesse> seems libgck-1-dev is missing dep on libgck-1-dev
[11:02] <seb128> xclaesse, on itself?
[11:03] <xclaesse> sorry, on libp11-kit-dev
[11:03] <xclaesse> building empathy, it says: Package 'p11-kit-1', required by 'gck-1', not found
[11:03] <xclaesse> that's msg from pkg-config
[11:04] <xclaesse> I have libgck-1-dev but that did not pull libp11-kit-1-dev
[11:04] <xclaesse> installing manually fix that
[11:04] <seb128> chrisccoulson, ^
[11:04] <seb128> xclaesse, thanks
[11:04] <chrisccoulson> ah, yeah, i must have missed that off
[11:04] <chrisccoulson> i'll fix that
[11:04] <chrisccoulson> thanks
[11:05] <xclaesse> cool :)
[11:05] <xclaesse> if someone could also upload tp-glib 0.15.5 to oneiric that would make me happy :)
[12:02] <chrisccoulson> mvo - when i query the origins of a package via python-apt, where does the "origin" string come from? eg, will the origin for packages from the firefox-aurora PPA always be "LP-PPA-ubuntu-mozilla-daily-firefox-aurora"?
[12:03] <mvo> chrisccoulson: from the Release file on the server
[12:03] <chrisccoulson> mvo - thanks. and i guess that's not going to change?
[12:03] <mvo> well, unless soyuz changes, it does not
[12:03] <mvo> but the format is not ideal in many ways
[12:04] <chrisccoulson> thanks
[12:04] <mvo> as there is no way to figure out what part of the LP string belongs to the user and what to the ppaname
[12:04] <mvo> so I would really love to see this changed
[12:04] <mvo> into something like LP-PPA-ubuntu-mozilla__daily-firefox-aurora or somesuch
[12:05] <chrisccoulson> ah, i see
[12:05] <chrisccoulson> i think this is good enough for now. i want to ship a file in /etc/apport/native-origins.d to allow people to create firefox bug reports from these PPA's
[12:06] <chrisccoulson> and it seems to depend on this string
[12:06] <chrisccoulson> if my understanding is correct ;)
[12:07] <chrisccoulson> ah, that works :)
[12:10] <xclaesse> E: Build-Depends dependency for gnome-shell cannot be satisfied because candidate version of package libgjs-dev can't satisfy version requirements
[12:10] <xclaesse> when doing sudo apt-get build-dep gnome-shell in oneiric
[12:10] <xclaesse> seb128, ^
[12:10] <xclaesse> is that known issue?
[12:11] <seb128> xclaesse, no
[12:11] <seb128> xclaesse, what does apt-get install libgjs-dev says?
[12:12] <xclaesse> it install version 1.29.0 just fine
[12:13] <xclaesse> how do I check what's the build-dep version gnome-shell wants?
[12:13] <seb128> oh
[12:13] <seb128> it's going to be 1.29.6
[12:13] <seb128> wonder why you don't get that one
[12:13] <seb128> what mirror do you use?
[12:13] <seb128> 1.29.16
[12:14] <xclaesse> seb128, I'm using http://archive.ubuntu.com
[12:14] <xclaesse> did update a few hours ago, let's try again
[12:15] <seb128> xclaesse, weird, the current version is 1.29.16-0ubuntu2 and it's available for 2 days
[12:15]  * rodrigo_ lunch
[12:15] <geser> xclaesse: apt-cache showsrc gnome-shell
[12:16] <geser> xclaesse: how do you try to build it? pbuilder or on your normal system?
[12:16] <seb128> xclaesse, http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/g/gjs/
[12:16] <seb128> it has 1.29.16-0ubuntu2 for i386 and amd64
[12:16] <seb128> what arch do you use?
[12:16] <xclaesse> seb128, hmmm now gjs is in the list of "The following packages have been kept back"
[12:17] <xclaesse> libgjs-dev:
[12:17] <xclaesse>   Installed: 1.29.0-1ubuntu1
[12:17] <xclaesse>   Candidate: 1.29.16-0ubuntu2
[12:17] <seb128> well, apt-get install should pick the current version
[12:17] <seb128> did you use apt pinning or something?
[12:17] <seb128> upgrade might keep things on old, but install should
[12:17] <seb128> shouldn't
[12:17] <xclaesse> seb128, sudo apt-get install libgjs-dev  wants to remove gnome-shell...
[12:18] <seb128> xclaesse, what architecture?
[12:18] <xclaesse> amd64
[12:18] <seb128> weird
[12:19] <seb128> it has been rebuilt for the new libgjs
[12:19] <seb128> do you use a ppa version newer than oneiric?
[12:19] <seb128> or a local build?
[12:19] <xclaesse> no
[12:19] <seb128> dpkg -l | grep gnome-shell?
[12:19] <xclaesse> actually I also have an update of gnome-shell
[12:20] <xclaesse> installing it wants to remove libgjs0b
[12:20] <seb128> well, they should upgrade together rather than uninstall anything
[12:20] <seb128> xclaesse, that's fine, there was an abi break, it was rename libgjs0c
[12:21] <seb128> so the "b" version is replaced by "c"
[12:23] <xclaesse> ok, that fixed my problem :)
[12:23] <xclaesse> thanks
[12:23] <xclaesse> weird that "apt-get upgrade" does not do that correctly
[12:24] <seb128> xclaesse, upgrade is not meant to uninstall anything or do transitions
[12:24] <seb128> xclaesse, that's why we have dist-upgrade
[12:24] <xclaesse> yeah but dist-upgrade wants to remove the world those days :(
[12:24] <seb128> xclaesse, upgrade is "do safe update, keep disruptive things on old"
[12:24] <xclaesse> including ubuntu-desktop
[12:24] <seb128> xclaesse, that shouldn't happen, what does it want to uninstall? can you pastebin it?
[12:25] <xclaesse> http://fpaste.org/8Dp7/
[12:25] <seb128> xclaesse, it's not "the world" ;-)
[12:26] <xclaesse> unity seems in the middle of updates
[12:26] <seb128> xclaesse, going to be fixed in the next 2 hours
[12:26] <seb128> there is a new unity and unity-2d needs to build still
[12:26] <xclaesse> seb128, yeah, was much more some time ago, with all of evolution
[12:26] <pitti> seb128: any chance the new unity will fix the horribly broken alt-tabber? or was this backed out again?
[12:27] <xclaesse> seb128, anyway, I have want I needed. Thanks for your support :)
[12:27] <seb128> pitti, what do you consider "broken" in it?
[12:27] <seb128> xclaesse, you're welcome ;-)
[12:27] <pitti> erm, does that work for you?
[12:27] <seb128> pitti, for some definition of work
[12:27] <seb128> pitti, it takes 3 seconds to display
[12:27] <pitti> seb128: it's a colorful wide switcher with icons, with a semi-transparent higher window of miniature windows on top
[12:27] <pitti> and with each alt-tab they both move
[12:28] <pitti> seems liek the one on top is the original one, and the one beneath it is new
[12:28] <pitti> and using it causes all terminals (except one in some cases) to be minimized
[12:28] <seb128> pitti, oh, that's compiz gconf not handling profile updates, you get both switchers activated in your compiz profile
[12:28] <seb128> pitti, use ccsm to disable the old one
[12:28] <pitti> erm, no
[12:28] <seb128> (easier that unity --reset and drop your keybindings etc)
[12:28] <pitti> that certainly needs to happen automatically?
[12:29] <seb128> pitti, yeah, it's on didrocks' list
[12:29] <pitti> can we disable the original switcher to avoid that?
[12:29] <seb128> pitti, still part of the compiz update we wait for 3 weeks
[12:29] <pitti> or rename it perhaps?
[12:29] <xclaesse> seb128, ah, clutter and tp-glib are too old to build gnome-shell master :(
[12:29] <seb128> xclaesse, that's being worked
[12:29] <xclaesse> Requested 'clutter-x11-1.0 >= 1.7.5' but version of Clutter is 1.6.16
[12:29] <xclaesse> Requested 'clutter-glx-1.0 >= 1.7.5' but version of Clutter is 1.6.16
[12:29] <xclaesse> Requested 'telepathy-glib >= 0.15.5' but version of Telepathy-GLib is 0.15.4.1
[12:29] <pitti> seb128: ah, so it's on the list? I'm afraid that everyone does that now, and then we forget about it
[12:29] <xclaesse> seb128, cool :)
[12:29] <seb128> pitti, yeah, didrocks has it high on this to fix list
[12:30] <seb128> pitti, he was pondering doing a profile reset on upgrade or just hack the alt-tab thing
[12:30] <seb128> pitti, but he's pretty aware of it
[12:30] <pitti> I'd rather replace/disable the old launcher than doing a profile reset
[12:30] <pitti> the latter wreaks havoc with shared home dirs
[12:31] <seb128> pitti, right, it's just that we don't have any good way to tweak user gconf profiles on upgrade
[12:31] <seb128> it needs to be hacked from compiz code
[12:31] <pitti> *nod*
[12:31] <pitti> is that "static application switcher"?
[12:31] <seb128> didrocks hopped that the compiz on gsettings work would land this cycle
[12:31] <pitti> I never deliberately configured that
[12:31] <seb128> but that turned to be another dx fail
[12:32] <seb128> pitti, yes
[12:32] <seb128> pitti, no you didn't but compiz copy the default config as an user config on first start
[12:32] <seb128> pitti, it doesn't do the "use system default by default"
[12:32] <pitti> ah
[12:33] <seb128> really looking to have the gsettings backend
[12:33] <seb128> but that's going to be for next cycle
[12:33] <pitti> hmm -- now I see what other people complained about the new one -- it doesn't switch between terminals :)
[12:33] <seb128> pitti, you need to arrow down on an application icon to have the instances of the software
[12:33] <seb128> or use alt-~
[12:34] <seb128> not sure if that's trunk only or in that tarball though
[12:34] <seb128> RAOF mentioned it earlier
[12:34] <seb128> that's going to be "cycle between instance of the selected application"
[12:34] <pitti> oh, that works, but is more advanced keyboard virtuoseness to press 4 keys at the same time
[12:34] <seb128> yeah, I raised the issue
[12:35] <seb128> pitti, they are going to try a "pause" behaviour
[12:35] <pitti> (and absolutely undiscoverable, too, but oh well..)
[12:35] <seb128> if you stop for $delay on an icon it will do the arrow down for you
[12:35] <seb128> then alt-tab will switch in the instances and when it goes to end of that list back the primary list
[12:35] <seb128> that might work well
[12:36] <chrisccoulson> i quite like the look of the new switcher
[12:36] <chrisccoulson> i wish the metacity one would use icons rather than thumbnails too
[12:36] <seb128> the look is nice, the usability is not (yet)
[12:36] <seb128> not speaking about how slow it is on my intel box
[12:37] <chrisccoulson> right
[12:37] <chrisccoulson> that's why i'm on 2d right now ;)
[12:37] <pitti> meh, and it still minimizes stuff, and then doesn't show the minimized programs
[12:37] <seb128> well the dash blur slowness issue got fixed at least
[12:37] <chrisccoulson> did it? oh, i've not tried it for a week
[12:37] <seb128> pitti, if you have bugs please raise them to DBO
[12:37] <pitti> how again is this better than the old switcher?
[12:37] <chrisccoulson> i should upgrade and try again
[12:38] <seb128> bah, xchat-gnome indicator being retarded, restart xchat
[12:40] <seb128> bah
[12:40] <seb128> the indicator is buggy with xchat-gnome still, got things to turn blue you can't clear if you close the query
[13:06] <alex3f> mvo, thanks for the merge. I know about the performance issue, I'm going to work on that, as well as the FIXMEs in the code
[13:08] <mvo> alex3f: thanks! I'm not 100% sure what the best solution is, caching the results, maybe having a query about all installed pkgs at startup or a OOB fastpath to query if a pkg is installed or not via librpm
[13:08] <mvo> alex3f: but its actually quite nice, I'm impressed
[13:09] <alex3f> what is OOB?
[13:09] <alex3f> thank you :-)
[13:09] <mvo> out-of-band
[13:09] <mvo> sorry
[13:09] <mvo> it brought down the test coverage quite a bit though :/
[13:10] <mvo> so more tests please ;)
[13:10] <alex3f> query all is an option, since from what I've seen, PK is designed for working with many packages at once
[13:10] <alex3f> on my TODO
[13:10] <mvo> great, query-all-installed and just cache the package names should be fine then
[13:11] <alex3f> yep, unfortunately, update-software-center with PK takes forever
[13:12] <alex3f> how do you run pyflakes?
[13:13] <alex3f> and also, what gives the test coverage?
[13:13] <seb128> kenvandine, mterry_, chrisccoulson: hey, how busy are you guys?
[13:14] <mterry_> seb128, I can help.  Just doing lightdm stuff
[13:15] <seb128> ok, so we have
[13:15] <seb128> - some updates left to do (see the etherpad)
[13:15] <seb128> - the new clutter version and cogl (new source) to sponsor, work from ricotz
[13:16] <seb128> - some https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-o-gtk3-gnome3 work items left
[13:16] <chrisccoulson> seb128, what are we doing about the top panel in gnome-screensaver? should we just hide it?
[13:16] <seb128> - some sponsoring on the etherpad as well
[13:17] <seb128> kenvandine, mterry_, chrisccoulson: it would be nice if you could help to do a push to get over those today so we can start focussing on bug fix next week
[13:17] <seb128> chrisccoulson, seem safe at this point yes
[13:17] <seb128> chrisccoulson, want to do that, the gnome-screensaver update and look at the g-s-d power notification to use notify-osd?
[13:17] <chrisccoulson> seb128, yeah, that's fine
[13:18] <seb128> chrisccoulson, great
[13:18] <pitti> seb128: want me to do some sponsoring?
[13:18] <pitti> I've looked at jockey way too long today anyway
[13:18] <seb128> pitti, if you want to please do
[13:18] <pitti> (still need to display the new -updates nvidia/fglrx handlers)
[13:18] <seb128> if we could do a team effort to go over the things I listed today we would be in good shape to focus on bug fixing starting next week
[13:18] <seb128> it's about time
[13:19] <pitti> grabbed two from the pad, to start
[13:19] <seb128> pitti, danke
[13:19] <kenvandine> seb128, i can try to pick up something easy that i can do while i work on other stuff, i leave for vacation in 2 weeks... so want to finish stuff up
[13:20] <seb128> kenvandine, telepathy-glib update? debian did it, it's probably just reapplying our small diff over
[13:20] <kenvandine> sure
[13:20] <kenvandine> and i am hacking on tp stuff right now :)
[13:21] <nessita> hello everyone!!!
[13:21] <seb128> hey nessita! how are you?
[13:21] <kenvandine> hey nessita
[13:21] <pitti> hey nessita, how are you?
[13:21] <seb128> nessita, good to see you, it has been a while ;-)
[13:21] <nessita> pitti: I'm evaluating the issue with the Soup import
[13:21] <pitti> nessita: oh, you are fast!
[13:21] <pitti> nessita: I was about to ask what kind of bribe you need
[13:21] <nessita> seb128, kenvandine, pitti: hello! I'm missing you a lot
[13:21] <seb128> mterry_, want to do the cogl review,sponsoring and clutter update?
[13:21] <nessita> pitti: well, icecream for sure :-D
[13:21] <pitti> nessita: were you on holidays? haven't seen you for a while
[13:22] <mterry_> seb128, sure
[13:22] <pitti> nessita: icecream sounds great
[13:22] <seb128> mterry_, thanks!
[13:22] <pitti> nessita: and will be appropriate in Orlando, too!
[13:22] <nessita> pitti: nopes, I'm drawing daily in the sadness of porting the Ubuntu One Control Panel to QT and Windows
[13:22] <nessita> pitti: that's why I haven't been so involved with ubuntu lately
[13:23] <pitti> nessita: QML, or "real" Qt?
[13:23] <seb128> mterry_, bug #828605 and bug #828608
[13:23] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 828605 in ubuntu "[FFe] [needs-packaging] cogl" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/828605
[13:23] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 828608 in clutter-1.0 "[FFE] clutter 1.7 series" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/828608
[13:23] <pitti> nessita: QML is actually quite fun
[13:23] <nessita> seb128: I still owe you the GTK+3 port...
[13:23] <pitti> nessita: actually, porting this to GTK3 would fix the static vs. GI conflict as well, and keep Soup alive
[13:23] <nessita> pitti: the real QT. Is fun, but I would like to be improving the ubuntu control panel as well, which at the moment, I can't do due to lack of time
[13:24] <pitti> nessita: but I haven't investigated yet how much effort it is
[13:24] <seb128> nessita, indeed ;-)
[13:24] <nessita> pitti: I haven't either, but I'm *guessing* is just changing some imports...
[13:24] <pitti> nessita: no, it's not
[13:24] <pitti> nessita: but if you actually consider this, I could actually give a hand there
[13:24] <seb128> pitti, ^ the 2 bugs I just pointed to mterry, do you think you can ffe accept them?
[13:25] <nessita> pitti: how much time do we have to solve the Soup issue?
[13:25] <pitti> nessita: it's a bit urgent, we need to get all this settled by beta-1; does "a week" sound crazy?
[13:26] <nessita> pitti: yes, but it's much better than saying "today" :-D
[13:26] <nessita> pitti: can we have a talk about this next week, say on Wed?
[13:26] <pitti> seb128: cogl approved, that's easy; clutter, hard to decide without knowing more, I'll ask on the bug
[13:26] <pitti> nessita: sure
[13:26] <seb128> pitti, well, technically it has a standing GNOME ffe
[13:26] <pitti> nessita: in the meantime, I could play with a GTK3 port?
[13:26] <pitti> seb128: ah, clutter is part of gnome?
[13:26] <seb128> pitti, it's required at least if we want to update gnome-shell from 3.1.3 to 3.1.4
[13:26] <seb128> pitti, yes
[13:27] <nessita> pitti: YES PLEASE (you just are doing this so *I* owe *you* some icecream)
[13:29] <pitti> seb128: acked
[13:31] <seb128> pitti, danke
[13:34] <ricotz> seb128, pitti, shall i upload the packages somewhere for sponsoring?
[13:34] <pitti> ricotz: clutter 1.7/cogl? sure
[13:35] <seb128> ricotz, talk to mterry_, he said he would review it
[13:35] <seb128> ricotz, I pointed to the debian svn in the bugs
[13:35] <ricotz> pitti, yes
[13:35] <ricotz> seb128, ok
[13:35] <seb128> but something to dget might be easier
[13:35] <ricotz> seb128, mterry_ http://people.ubuntu.com/~ricotz/clutter/
[13:35] <pitti> ricotz: I'm fine with sponsoring from debian svn, if it's there
[13:35] <ricotz> no sure about the versioning convention in this case
[13:36] <pitti> ricotz: can't we just sync?
[13:36] <ricotz> s/no/not
[13:36] <ricotz> pitti, it isnt released yet
[13:36] <pitti> ah
[13:36] <pitti> ricotz: looks fine, I'll sponsor from your people page
[13:36] <ricotz> pitti, thanks
[13:37] <ricotz> pitti, it will probably fail to build for armel though
[13:37] <seb128> pitti, check with mterry_, he said he would do the sponsoring
[13:37] <seb128> i.e you guys don't duplicate work please ;-)
[13:37] <mterry_> pitti, I can do it unless you've got a jonesin'
[13:41] <seb128> cyphermox, hey
[13:41] <seb128> cyphermox, how busy are you? ;-)
[13:42] <pitti> mterry_: ok, please go ahead then
[13:42] <pitti> currently sponsoring some other bits
[13:44] <seb128> chrisccoulson, can you do that while you are on gnome-screensaver
[13:44] <seb128> "- should clean its .menu conffile on upgrade"
[13:44] <seb128> chrisccoulson, /etc/xdg/menus/gnome-screensavers.menu got dropped in GNOME3, it should be maintainer script cleaned on upgrade
[13:44] <DBO> pitti, you know I do read what you say...
[13:45] <DBO> seb128, can you check the perf of switcher in trunk now
[13:45] <pitti> DBO: good morning
[13:45] <DBO> I think its fixed for realz
[13:45] <chrisccoulson> seb128, yeah, can do
[13:45] <seb128> chrisccoulson, excellent, thanks
[13:45] <pitti> DBO: heh, I know, yes :)
[13:45] <seb128> DBO, howdy, can do!
[13:45] <seb128> DBO: unity,nux,both?
[13:46] <DBO> seb128, unity
[13:46] <seb128> DBO, on it
[13:46] <DBO> pitti, can you explain to me what you dont like?
[13:46] <seb128> DBO: just curious but how did you fix or workaround it?
[13:46] <DBO> seb128, I am avoiding paying the texture creation cost after the first alt-tab start
[13:47] <pitti> DBO: (1) doesn't show individual terminals, just a single icon for it
[13:47] <DBO> seb128, so it will still be slow on your system the first time
[13:47] <DBO> pitti, press down
[13:47] <pitti> DBO: (2) shows a lot of apps which aren't in my workspace
[13:47] <pitti> DBO: (3) appears below the ordinary compiz switcher
[13:47] <kenvandine> that is a bug :)
[13:47] <DBO> pitti, your settings are screwed up too, run unity --reset
[13:48] <pitti> I just ran unity --reset some weeks ago
[13:48] <seb128> DBO: it would be nice to have a ccsm option to work by workspace
[13:48] <pitti> DBO: seb128 says that compiz copies the settings into the user home, instead of falling back to system settings when the user has no explicit configuration; so that would happen for everyone
[13:48] <DBO> pitti, yeah well, if the normal compiz switcher is showing your settings are screwed up :)
[13:48] <seb128> i.e list only things in your current workspace
[13:48] <pitti> DBO: then they will for everyone who upgrades from natty
[13:49] <DBO> seb128, Im not exactly sure how that would work but I can try
[13:49] <DBO> pitti, the solution for that is being worked on
[13:49] <DBO> pitti, though frankly, thats what you guys are supposed to help us with
[13:50] <pitti> DBO: yes, we already discussed it, it's on didier's list
[13:50] <pitti> DBO: so, ignore (3) for now
[13:50] <pitti> DBO: but you asked me what I don't like, and that's one of the things
[13:51] <DBO> pitti, yes but thats the kind of complaint I expect out of an uninformed user, not you :/
[13:51] <pitti> DBO: the real solution for (3) would probably be to just completely replace the compiz one; fiddling around with the user's gconf settings on upgrade will break shared homedirs
[13:51] <pitti> DBO: sorry, but "press cursor down" is not exactly obvious; I admit I'm an uninformed user in that case
[13:52] <DBO> pitti, you can also press alt+` (key above tab) once the switcher is open
[13:52] <DBO> that will cycle windows too
[13:52] <pitti> but even with that, it now takes ten times as long to switch between windows
[13:52] <DBO> how so?
[13:53] <pitti> because I need to go through apps not on my workspace, then do the cursor down exercise, and then find my window there
[13:53] <Trewas> DBO: by the way ` is not nowhere near tab in many keyboard layouts and additionally it is a dead key in fin/swe layout so alt+` cannot be used at all
[13:53] <seb128> DBO: the new switcher has just been optimized for people using one workspace with one instance of their applications
[13:53] <DBO> pitti, if its the last focused window of course you can just press alt-tab quickly, but yes I see your point
[13:53] <pitti> Alt+` -> is that in trunk only?
[13:54] <seb128> DBO: not your fault, it's a design thing
[13:54] <DBO> pitti, or yesterdays release
[13:54] <pitti> hm, I'm running that
[13:54] <DBO> pitti, make sure you do alt-tab, then press alt-` on the tile you want to see windows in
[13:54] <pitti> what I did notice is that alt+up now stopped working in my IRC client, might that be related?
[13:54] <DBO> yes
[13:55] <DBO> there is a fix for that in trunk
[13:55] <pitti> ah, cool
[13:55] <DBO> seb128, didn't the switcher come configured previously to show windows on all desktops?
[13:55] <DBO> I thought that was the default
[13:56] <seb128> no
[13:56] <seb128> we never had any switcher doing that
[13:56] <DBO> mine did
[13:56] <seb128> DBO: we being ubuntu
[13:56] <seb128> you might have had your own hacked one ;-)
[13:56] <DBO> the static application switcher has an option for that
[13:56] <DBO> but okay
[13:57] <DBO> seb128, so we are past FF by a lot now
[13:57] <DBO> I can add the option
[13:57] <DBO> but I wont do it if its just going to get kicked
[13:57] <seb128> pitti, ^ do you think it's going to be an ok ffe?
[13:57] <seb128> DBO: if it lands for next week tarball I would tend to say it should be ok, but pitti should should confirm
[13:57] <pitti> seb128: presumably yes, but as it'll be pretty much undiscoverable, I don't think it's important to have
[13:58] <seb128> pitti, quite some users use ccsm, especially the sort of power users who use workspaces and will be annoyed by it
[13:58] <seb128> i.e you or me ;-)
[13:58] <pitti> I'd rather concentrate on making it discoverable how to select between instances of an app
[13:58] <DBO> how would I expose that short of Clippy?
[13:59] <pitti> seb128: we configure 4 workspaces by default, or did we stop doing so?
[13:59] <pitti> (recently)
[13:59] <seb128> pitti, we still do yes
[14:00] <pitti> DBO: perhaps there could be an icon with a down arrow key beneath icons with multiple instances?
[14:01] <seb128> still 2 hangs alt-tab is an usability disaster
[14:01] <pitti> or it shuold just display all instances, with the ones on other work spaces at the end?
[14:01] <seb128> hands
[14:01] <DBO> seb128, you know about the one hand solution I have right?
[14:02] <DBO> pitti, also there is a "timer" method in ccsm that design is going to test
[14:02] <DBO> where simply waiting on a tile for 1.5 seconds causes it to show the windows
[14:02] <seb128> DBO, still requires thinking and dexterity ;-)
[14:02] <pitti> that seems tricky to me
[14:03] <pitti> if it's too short (0.3 seconds) it's confusing, and if it's too long (> 0.5 seconds), it's again undiscoverable
[14:03] <seb128> if there is less than 5 things open a workspace it should just display a flat list including instances imho
[14:03] <seb128> that optimization is good when you get 15 things open
[14:04] <seb128> not when you got 5
[14:04] <DBO> pitti, less than 1.0s and you trigger it by mistake constantly
[14:05] <pitti> you really wait a second on each icon when tabbing through?
[14:05] <DBO> seb128, interestingly, for me doing "per workspace" is useless. I only ever have 1 or 2 windows on a workspace and they never overlap
[14:05] <pitti> I get through about 4 icons/sec
[14:05] <DBO> pitti, when visually scrubbing for the icon I want, yes
[14:05] <pitti> for cross-workspace I usually use windows+number
[14:05] <DBO> or when I go "wait where was I going...."
[14:05] <seb128> DBO: I tend to have between 3 and 5 things by workspace
[14:05] <DBO> you know, like when you walk into a room and forget why
[14:05] <pitti> and usually not even that, I just use ctrl+alt+N
[14:05] <seb128> DBO: but often including one taking the screen, i.e irc or webbrowser or email
[14:06] <DBO> seb128, how can you live that way...
[14:06] <DBO> seb128, windows aren't supposed to touch, it's just the natural order of things
[14:06] <seb128> well I'm on my work workspace I've IRC, a command line and webbrowser
[14:06] <seb128> ;-)
[14:06] <DBO> seb128, you are working on testing this perf thing for me right?
[14:07] <seb128> DBO: yes, unity still building
[14:07] <pitti> DBO: people have different habits -- I still wonder how people can live without FFM and with a dark theme
[14:07] <DBO> pitti, do you like *anything* about the new launcher?
[14:07] <DBO> erm
[14:07] <DBO> switcher
[14:07] <seb128> DBO: going to cpp was not the best move for build time :p
[14:07] <DBO> seb128, get an i7
[14:07] <pitti> DBO: the colors are more unity-ish
[14:07] <seb128> DBO: I've an i5, not great but good enough ;-)
[14:07] <DBO> pitti, the animations are nice I think...
[14:07] <DBO> (damnit compliment my animations)
[14:08] <seb128> what animation?
[14:08] <pitti> which animation?
[14:08] <DBO> you never overloaded the switcher?
[14:08] <DBO> open tons of applications
[14:08] <DBO> so there are too many to fit on your screen
[14:08] <pitti> when I alt+tab, it instantly appears, and alt+tabing further it changes to the next icon without animation
[14:08] <pitti> should there be one?
[14:08] <pitti> DBO: no, I use workspaces :)
[14:08] <seb128> DBO: same here
[14:08] <chrisccoulson> i've seen the animation ;)
[14:08] <DBO> pitti, it shows everything on all workspaces
[14:08] <DBO> dork
[14:08] <seb128> I never get over 5 things on a workspace
[14:08] <pitti> my work ws only has terminals
[14:08] <pitti> ws2 is browser
[14:09] <seb128> lol
[14:09] <pitti> ws3 is communication: email, empathy, skype, etc.
[14:09] <DBO> pitti, yeah but do it, you should at least see what we're shipping
[14:09] <pitti> and ws4 is free, usually for my VMs
[14:09] <seb128> well still I don't use enough to go over the list
[14:09] <DBO> seb128, I know, I tried to fit as many in there as possible before it overflows
[14:09] <pitti> DBO: well, I have tons of terminals but they aren't being displayed any more :)
[14:09] <DBO> but you guys *should* be testing it overflowed too
[14:09] <DBO> otherwise you dont know what you are shipping really
[14:09] <DBO> pitti, different applications
[14:10] <pitti> wow, overflowing? that would require some 40 apps?
[14:10] <DBO> no...
[14:10] <DBO> the switcher?
[14:10] <seb128> pitti, it requires the alt-tab bar to go over the screen
[14:10] <DBO> no
[14:10] <DBO> it should require 10?
[14:10] <DBO> maybe
[14:10] <seb128> on my 22" screen that's a challenge
[14:10] <seb128> I ran everything in my launcher and it still doesn't overflow
[14:10] <seb128> going to the dash to find something else I can run
[14:10] <DBO> haha
[14:10] <DBO> scary
[14:10] <pitti> darn, seems the new unity once again broke the windows+N shortcuts
[14:11] <DBO> works here
[14:11] <seb128> DBO: the folding is quite nice indeed
[14:11] <DBO> seb128, when you perf test
[14:11] <DBO> you need to be testing that animation too
[14:11] <seb128> DBO: imho you shouldn't take over 60% of the screen
[14:11] <pitti> ah, these animations
[14:11] <pitti> nice
[14:11] <dobey> seb128: how many pixels?
[14:12] <seb128> dobey, 1920
[14:12] <dobey> oh
[14:12] <DBO> seb128, I am working on making it so it wont take more than a certain *physical* size
[14:12] <pitti> DBO: do you get the rather irritating bug that sometimes, selecting an app in the switcher minimizes all, or a lot of windows?
[14:12] <dobey> i have 2048 wide
[14:12] <DBO> since thats the annoying thing
[14:12] <seb128> pitti, you pick the "show desktop" entry?
[14:12] <DBO> pitti, the show desktop entry, design made me add that...
[14:13] <pitti> could be
[14:13] <pitti> when I saw it I still had both of the switchers overlayed, and used the "top" one
[14:13] <DBO> yeah thats why
[14:13] <pitti> could be that the bottom one landed at the 'show desktop' then
[14:13] <DBO> you... used it like that and thought "yeah this is fine for me to use"?
[14:13] <pitti> but as the windows shortcuts don't work any more (win+d) that might actually be helpful :)
[14:14] <pitti> DBO: no, I used it like that and thought "this looks so broken, it can't possibly go unnoticed and will be fixed"
[14:14] <DBO> pitti, something is wrong with your system
[14:14] <DBO> the windows shortcuts work fine here
[14:14] <DBO> seb128, can you confirm?
[14:14] <pitti> well, unity just crashes every 20 mins, perhaps that just took something with it
[14:14] <pitti> probably need to restart my session or so
[14:14] <DBO> are you getting traces?
[14:14] <seb128> DBO, pitti: works for me
[14:15] <seb128> DBO: yeah, unity built!
[14:15] <DBO> seb128, wewt
[14:17] <pitti> DBO: I get crash reports, yes
[14:17] <DBO> if you are crashing that much
[14:17] <seb128> DBO, still slow...
[14:17] <DBO> it would be more helpful to have you running in gdb
[14:17] <DBO> seb128, after the first time?
[14:17] <seb128> DBO: yes
[14:18] <DBO> for realz?
[14:18] <seb128> no ;-)
[14:18] <DBO> what?
[14:18] <DBO> Im so confused
[14:18] <seb128> DBO: works great, I was teasing you
[14:18] <seb128> thanks!
[14:18] <DBO> you're crushing my dreams!!!
[14:18] <seb128> ;-)
[14:18]  * DBO dies in fire
[14:18] <pitti> DBO: bug 825587 mostly
[14:18] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 825587 in nux "compiz crashed with SIGSEGV in SimpleLauncherIcon::ReloadIcon()" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/825587
[14:18] <DBO> thanks seb128
[14:18] <DBO> pitti, looking now
[14:18] <seb128> waouh, an alt-tab I can use again!
[14:18] <seb128> DBO: you won $drink for next UDS
[14:19] <DBO> you got me good man
[14:19] <DBO> that was an emotional rollercoaster for sure
[14:19] <pitti> (FTR, I have 4.8.2-0ubuntu1~build1, so the "fix released" might have been premature, or it really needs a fix in nux, too)
[14:19] <seb128> ;-)
[14:19] <seb128> pitti, what bug?
[14:19] <seb128> sorry lost the backlog when I restarted unity
[14:19] <pitti> seb128: above, bug 825587
[14:20] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 825587 in nux "compiz crashed with SIGSEGV in SimpleLauncherIcon::ReloadIcon()" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/825587
[14:20] <seb128> pitti, it's fixed in trunk
[14:20] <pitti> nice
[14:20] <seb128> there was a second bug, jibel gave a stacktrace to njpatel earlier and he fixed it
[14:20] <seb128> pitti, it's bug #741652
[14:20] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 741652 in unity "compiz crashed with SIGSEGV in SimpleLauncherIcon::OnIconThemeChanged()" [Critical,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/741652
[14:21] <seb128> pitti, https://launchpadlibrarian.net/77587429/compiz_segv_SimpleLauncherIcon_unity_4.8.0-0ubuntu3.trace
[14:22] <DBO> :)
[14:22] <DBO> seb128, also, the run away GEM object leak should be fixed :)
[14:22] <seb128> DBO: you rock sir!
[14:23] <pitti> seb128: grabbing gnome-color-manager
[14:23] <seb128> pitti, danke
[14:25] <DBO> seb128, is the perf good while its folding too?
[14:27] <seb128> DBO: yes
[14:27] <DBO> :) excellent
[14:28] <seb128> DBO: you didn't have the delay thing yet, right?
[14:28] <seb128> have -> add
[14:29] <DBO> for what?
[14:29] <DBO> there is a checkbox in CCSM to test it out
[14:29] <DBO> its being user tested today
[14:33] <seb128> DBO: you got a typo
[14:33] <chrisccoulson> gah, i wish my laptop was usable whilst buiding firefox
[14:33] <seb128> "Go right in the swithcer"
[14:33] <seb128> DBO, ^
[14:34] <DBO> seb128, excellent
[14:34] <DBO> will fix
[14:34] <seb128> DBO, thanks
[14:35] <DBO> seb128, fixed
[14:35] <seb128> DBO: you made my day
[14:35] <seb128> love the delay thing as well
[14:35] <DBO> oh damnit
[14:35] <DBO> someone pushed at the same time
[14:35] <mterry> ricotz, cogl_gl_error_to_string is in the .symbols file but seemingly shouldn't be?
[14:36] <DBO> there we go, fixed
[14:38] <janimo> anyone knows if Thomas Thurman is around?
[14:39] <seb128> DBO: I found a bug
[14:39] <chrisccoulson> heh, i'm down to my last 400MB of disk space
[14:39] <janimo>  does not appear online as marnanel
[14:39] <seb128> DBO: it acts like if it was going to display a preview for minimized things but it doesn't, it just displays empty space
[14:40] <DBO> seb128, thats known, compiz has support for previews of active windows
[14:40] <DBO> erm
[14:40] <DBO> previews of minimized windows
[14:40] <DBO> but
[14:40] <DBO> its currently got a showstopper bug (smallish)
[14:40] <DBO> so we are going to fix that first
[14:40] <DBO> then turn that on
[14:40] <DBO> and all will be happy
[14:42] <chrisccoulson> seb128, is there a bug about lightdm starting gvfsd? i guess that's not intentional is it?
[14:42] <seb128> ok
[14:43] <seb128> chrisccoulson, not sure if there is a bug, I mentioned it by email to mterry and robert_ancell this week, it's gvfsd, gconfd and notify-osd
[14:43] <pitti> and session/sound/etc. indicators as well?
[14:43] <seb128> chrisccoulson, would be worth checking if that's the case with today updates
[14:43] <chrisccoulson> seb128, i think it needs to set a magic environment variable to stop gvfsd being started
[14:43] <seb128> chrisccoulson, I think mterry said it was due to the indicators
[14:43] <chrisccoulson> seb128, yeah, that's possible
[14:43] <seb128> pitti, those should be displayed, they are part of the design
[14:44] <pitti> erm, what? as session indicator, what for?
[14:44] <pitti> that's why we have the user selector in the main window?
[14:44] <seb128> chrisccoulson, the indicators have a greeter mode though which hides some feature and the unity-greeter update today use it
[14:44] <seb128> pitti, to be able to shutdown, suspend or restart?
[14:44] <pitti> seb128: ah, sorry; the one with the user switcher
[14:45] <alex3f> mvo, please check my backend-refactor import fix, before doing a release, if you plan so
[14:45] <seb128> pitti, it's not there anymore for me
[14:45] <mterry> seb128, yeah.
[14:45] <pitti> seb128: was still here this morning, maybe today's updates fixed it again; great
[14:45] <mterry> seb128, starting indicators pulls in gconf if they use it, as well as any services they start over dbus.  For example, the fix to the 'lock screen when suspended' bug was to have indicator-session stop talking to gnome-screensaver and starting it
[14:45] <seb128> pitti, it's part of the unity-greeter update to set the greeter mode for indicators
[14:46] <mvo> alex3f: sure thing
[14:46] <seb128> pitti, works on my nb at least
[14:46] <seb128> pitti, I got the indicators menu simplified and the user switching one hidden
[14:47] <seb128> mterry, ok
[14:47] <mterry> seb128, so we just need to find who is starting gvfsd (for example) and make them stop it in greeter mode.  A bit of hunting needs to happen is all
[14:48] <seb128> mterry, great
[14:48] <chrisccoulson> seb128, ah, i think lightdm needs to set GIO_USE_VFS=local if it doesn't already
[14:48] <seb128> chrisccoulson, ^
[14:48] <chrisccoulson> i should update though ;)
[14:48] <seb128> mterry, ^ GIO_USE_VFS=local
[14:48] <chrisccoulson> mterry^^
[14:49] <chrisccoulson> that should stop anything in the greeter session from starting it in the first place
[14:49] <mterry> ah fancy
[14:57] <pitti> hello skaet, how are you?
[14:58] <pitti> oh, just netsplit bouncing again, I figure
[14:58] <chrisccoulson> fantastic, xorg crashed 50 minutes in to linking firefox
[14:59] <chrisccoulson> wasting nearly a whole hour :(
[14:59] <seb128> chrisccoulson, use screen!
[14:59] <chrisccoulson> seb128, yeah, i wish i had done now
[15:00] <seb128> chrisccoulson, forget about firefox and do the gnome-screensaver and g-s-d work you signed for ;-)
[15:00] <seb128> you will see it's nice to have packages easy to build :p
[15:00] <chrisccoulson> seb128, i was trying to do those in parallel
[15:01] <chrisccoulson> unfortunately, it takes my laptop nearly half a minute to do basic things like switching a window whilst firefox is building
[15:01] <chrisccoulson> so it's pretty difficult to do anything in parallel ;)
[15:05] <chrisccoulson> seb128, do you use screen in gnome-terminal?
[15:06] <seb128> chrisccoulson, didn't use screen for a while but I used it before, why?
[15:06]  * ricotz thinks byobu is nice
[15:07] <chrisccoulson> seb128, there's no way to scroll is there?
[15:07] <chrisccoulson> that's why i stopped using it before
[15:07] <chrisccoulson> although i use it when i'm on a vt still
[15:10] <seb128> chrisccoulson, http://www.linuxscrew.com/2008/11/14/faq-how-to-scrollback-in-gnu-screen/
[15:10] <seb128> that seems to work
[15:11] <kenvandine> seems like the evolution alarm notifier just started working again...
[15:11] <chrisccoulson> seb128, thanks, will give that a try
[15:11] <kenvandine> rebooted and getting notifications from 2008
[15:12] <kenvandine> and it made me discover a bug in gwibber... the service got a traceback because notify-osd is getting spammed :)
[15:13] <kenvandine> yep, it means google calendars are working again in evo :-D
[15:18] <chrisccoulson> hmmm, i'm determined to get this new firefox beta uploaded before the weekend!
[15:19] <cyphermox> seb128: got a few things, what's up?
[15:21] <seb128> cyphermox, hey, just wondering if you had time for some updates and a ftbfs
[15:21] <cyphermox> sure
[15:21] <cyphermox> I'll pick the ones I can, which ftbfs?
[15:21] <cyphermox> (e.g. upload when wifi doesn't suck)
[15:21] <seb128> cyphermox, can you take the gmime one, gtkhtml and look at the totem build failure (seems to be due to the libgdata update)
[15:22] <seb128> cyphermox, they all should be small
[15:22] <cyphermox> ok
[15:22] <seb128> cyphermox, thanks, I note you on the wiki for the 2 updates then ;-)
[15:22] <cyphermox> ok, I was about to do it, but if you can I may still be able to catch breakfast ;)
[15:23] <seb128> cyphermox, enjoy breakfast
[15:23] <seb128> cyphermox, see you
[15:23] <cyphermox> yup, bbl
[15:25] <cyphermox> huh, is it totem failing or something else, /totem doesn't return anything on the ftbfs page
[15:32] <ricotz> mterry, i have updated the symbols
[15:32] <mterry> ricotz, then it's fine, that was the only oddity I saw
[15:34] <ricotz> mterry, good, might be caused by building against nvidia locally instead of in a chroot
[15:44] <pitti> seb128: FTR, gnome-color-management branch is broken, and got held up by the release team meeting
[15:44]  * pitti tries to untangle it
[15:46] <pitti> screw you, bzr with preapplied patches
[15:46] <pitti> uploaded the traditional way
[15:47] <seb128> pitti, yeah, maybe just copy the debian dir
[16:04] <tseliot> pitti, RAOF: I can't really reupload nvidia-96 in natty proposed with revision -0ubuntu1~natty1 because the archive will complain about the original tarball. Shall I upload ~natty3?
[16:07] <pitti> tseliot: what's wrong with the original tarball?
[16:07] <tseliot> pitti: "Rejected: File nvidia-graphics-drivers-96_96.43.20.orig.tar.gz already exists in Primary Archive for Ubuntu, but uploaded version has different contents"
[16:08] <pitti> tseliot: well, then get the one from the archive?
[16:08] <tseliot> pitti: but I don't recall ever recreating the tarball
[16:08] <seb128> ok, another unity round of bug fixes backported to oneiric
[16:08] <tseliot> pitti: how?
[16:08] <pitti> tseliot: apt-get source?
[16:09] <seb128> improved alt-tab performance, the "display subcategories on delay is in ccsm", improved dnd behaviour, one segfault fixed, and the dash select text by default so you can open and type
[16:09] <tseliot> pitti: ok, let me see if it works
[16:09] <seb128> that should be all for this week for unity
[16:09] <pitti> tseliot: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+archive/primary/+files/nvidia-graphics-drivers-96_96.43.20.orig.tar.gz
[16:10] <tseliot> thanks
[16:18] <tseliot> pitti: it insists in wanting to upload also the tarball (even when building only with -S)
[16:18] <ricotz> tseliot, build it with "-S -sd"?
[16:19] <tseliot> ricotz: ah, I didn't know "-sd"
[16:20] <ricotz> pitti, do you think the new pygobject packages could work on natty without breaking anything?
[16:21] <ricotz> tseliot, ;) -- also "pull-lp-source" is useful
[16:21] <tseliot> ricotz: ah, this one would sure be useful too, thanks
[16:22] <pitti> ricotz: if you also use the new g-i; but I suppose you'll need to rebuild te source
[16:23] <pitti> tseliot: -sd, yes; but that's just saving uplaod bandwidth
[16:23] <tseliot> pitti: which wouldn't be such a bad idea in my case ;)
[16:23] <ricotz> pitti, yeah, i meant the source package, so it would be rebuilt
[16:29] <pitti> good night everyone!
[16:29] <pitti> have a nice weekend
[16:29] <seb128> 'night pitti, have a nice w.e
[16:48] <dupondje> Adwaita broken or ?
[16:48] <dupondje> dunno whats wrong with it
[16:52] <seb128> seems to work there
[16:53] <dupondje> It looks like http://ubuntuforums.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=194014&d=1307041720 here :s
[17:34] <dobey> mvo: around?
[17:36] <chrisccoulson> seb128, what's the proper way for an application to check it's running under unity?
[17:37] <ricotz> chrisccoulson, hello, i hope you are uploading thunderbird 6.0 final to oneiric soon ;)
[17:38] <chrisccoulson> ricotz, probably not. it's the same as what's already in oneiric ;)
[17:38] <chrisccoulson> (just the package version is different)
[17:38] <ricotz> oh, really
[17:38] <seb128> chrisccoulson, didrocks made nautilus check if com.canonical.Unity.Debug.Introspection has an owner on the bus
[17:39] <chrisccoulson> seb128, thanks
[17:39] <seb128> chrisccoulson, you can look at the nautilus patches if you want to copy his code
[17:39] <ricotz> chrisccoulson, i must admit i am pretty lost in this mercurial repos of mozilla :\
[17:40] <chrisccoulson> ricotz, http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/comm-release/graph will show that there were no code changes between final beta and release
[17:41] <chrisccoulson> ricotz, and also http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-release/graph
[17:41] <chrisccoulson> (there were 2 commits between beta and release there, but those were specific to firefox mobile)
[17:42] <chrisccoulson> ricotz, i'll be uploading the first 7.0 beta soon though ;)
[17:42] <chrisccoulson> (like i just did already for firefox)
[17:42] <ricotz> chrisccoulson, thanks, i will bookmark these ;)
[17:43] <ricotz> chrisccoulson, alright, i hope it doenst turn out as a shredder :P
[17:44] <chrisccoulson> i just really hope they stick to the dates in https://wiki.mozilla.org/RapidRelease/Calendar ;)
[17:44] <chrisccoulson> although, they've been spot on every time so far with the new release schedule
[17:44] <chrisccoulson> 7.0 release for ffox and tbird is 2 days before final freeze ;)
[17:45] <ricotz> right, this is a thight schedule
[17:45] <chrisccoulson> heh
[17:47] <chrisccoulson> ricotz - the choices are to keep on the beta channel, which will be RC quality by oneiric beta 2 and will mean minimal changes between then and final freeze, or stick with 6.0 and then update to the final 7.0 release 2 days before final freeze
[17:48] <chrisccoulson> or release with 6.0 (which will have publicised security issues by oneiric release day) and ship 7.0 as a security update on the day of release
[17:48] <chrisccoulson> all the options suck really ;)
[17:48] <ricotz> it the right way to go for sure
[17:48] <cyphermox> seb128: about totem? where is it broken? the release in lp is built, and there is no entry in the ftbfs page
[17:49] <seb128> cyphermox, bug #829427
[17:49] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 829427 in totem "totem version 3.0.1-0ubuntu3 failed to build in oneiric" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/829427
[17:49] <cyphermox> ah, thanks
[17:49] <ricotz> chrisccoulson, i am just a bit more worried about using thunderbird in these "earlier" stages ;) -- firefox crashes arent so bad than thunderbird :P
[17:51] <chrisccoulson> ricotz, i wouldn't worry too much. the beta channel is pretty close to RC quality already
[17:52] <chrisccoulson> the changes between now and release will only be for blocker bugs, regressions or anything which has a safe fix
[17:52] <chrisccoulson> ie, a bit like our SRU policy ;)
[17:52] <chrisccoulson> aurora is where the stabilisation happens
[17:52] <dobey> oh nice. blue triangle in the corner. and i click on it, and what happens? i get the main dash thing with the "search for something"
[17:53] <ricotz> chrisccoulson, alright :) -- hopefully the addons are catching up fast
[17:53] <cyphermox> hrm, seems gmime2.4 is not in the desktop package set
[17:58] <dobey> hmm
[17:58] <dobey> is there supposed to be a battery indicator in oneiric?
[17:59] <dobey> because i don't see one
[17:59] <cyphermox> could someone review/upload my changes to gmime in the team branch?
[17:59] <cyphermox> dobey: there should be yes
[17:59] <dobey> i wonder where it is then :(
[17:59] <cyphermox> I assume this may have been broken yesterday, if you don't see it, because I got mine ;)
[18:00] <cyphermox> dobey: indicator-power installed?
[18:00] <dobey> cyphermox: well i haven't seen it for a long time now; there are lots of updates currently installing, so maybe it's fixed now
[18:16] <dupondje> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-themes-standard/+bug/828543
[18:16] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 828543 in gnome-themes-standard "Adwaita window decoration broken in gnome-shell" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[18:16] <dupondje> could someone check ?
[18:20] <dupondje> -<constant name="C_title_focused_hilight" value="gtk:base[NORMAL]" />
[18:20] <dupondje> +<constant name="C_title_focused_hilight" value="gtk:custom(wm_title_highlight,gtk:base[NORMAL])" />
[18:20] <dupondje> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/77446578/gnome-themes-standard_3.1.2.1-0build1_3.1.5-0ubuntu1.diff.gz
[18:25] <mvo> hey dobey
[18:26] <dobey> mvo: hey. did you look at distutilsextra.auto any more? or should i try to dig into it?
[18:29] <dupondje> Are we going to upgrade mutter these days ?
[18:29] <dupondje> or?
[18:31] <mvo> dobey: I didn't sorry, its a bit crazy here currently :( did pitti had a idea why the auto stuff did that? afaik he wrote it
[18:32] <dupondje> bigon: Could you upgrade mutter to latest version?
[18:33] <dobey> mvo: haven't discussed it with him. i'll dig, or bug him, thanks.
[18:37] <mvo> dobey: do you have the build failure log handy ? I can quickly check again
[18:37] <mvo> (and sorry for not getting to this)
[18:38] <dobey> mvo: no, i changed it to override the python calls by using xvfb-run, but now xvfb-run fails if you do it more than once in the build, for some reason :-/
[18:38] <dobey> but i will have one soon
[18:38] <mvo> ok
[19:06] <dobey> hrmm, indicator-power wasn't installed; wonder why
[19:11] <dobey> omg, why is bug #507062 not critical? it has an insane number of dups
[19:11] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 507062 in xlibs "synaptic assert failure: synaptic: ../../src/xcb_io.c:385: _XAllocID: Assertion `ret != inval_id' failed." [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/507062
[19:12] <dobey> and the new "system indicator" icon makes me feel like i'm in KDE
[19:34] <dobey> mvo, pitti_: https://code.launchpad.net/~dobey/python-distutils-extra/auto-nodisplay/+merge/72248
[19:50] <mvo> dobey: that looks good to me
[19:54] <dobey> mvo: cool
[20:12] <dobey> doh
[20:56] <dupondje> new version of clutter and mutter needed :D
[20:57] <dupondje> jbicha: after clutter 1.7 is in, mutter needs upgrade to 1.0.14 also
[20:58] <dupondje> 3.1.4* :)
[21:18] <jbicha> dupondje: yes, it's being worked on, I expect it'll be done by next week
[21:19] <jbicha> it's the weekend now! so not as much happens
[21:20] <jbicha> it's basically always been the plan for all of Gnome 3.2 to be in the Oneiric repositories, which includes mutter and GNOME Shell
[21:23] <dupondje> cause adwaita is badly broken now :p
[21:23] <dupondje> good ricotz has a ppa :D
[21:26]  * ricotz knows he has
[21:26] <dupondje> it has a nice working mutter version :D
[21:27] <jbicha> haha
[21:27] <jbicha> yes we know about the issues
[22:36] <cyphermox> trying to fix the totem ftbfs... anyone can tell me if totem currently works properly to fetch and play youtube videos?
[22:37] <cyphermox> (here the original version in oneiric doesn't work, but I suspect it's due to the network here)
[22:46] <Nafallo> dear banshee... when I try and preview stuff on U1MS, you are not supposed to play random tracks from my hard drive!
[22:57] <stgraber> cyphermox: I can get the thumbnails just fine but it's complaining that I'm missing something to access the stream
[22:59] <cyphermox> stgraber: thanks. that's exactly what I get, I think the network is blocking us; I'll try once I'm back to my room, and if it doesn't work I'll just upload, I'm confident enough the fix is good
[23:00] <cyphermox> wow too many commas in that sentence ;)
[23:05] <stgraber> cyphermox: hmm, indeed. The conference wireless is the problem. I just retried using my VPN and it works great
[23:05] <stgraber> prompted for codecs, installed them and started playing the video just fine
[23:05] <cyphermox> awesome, thanks for checking. we can try an updated package later maybe
[23:06] <stgraber> I guess I'll be going for beer and snacks at the party tonight, then sleep a bit before the flight tomorrow morning. I guess we can try it at the airport :)
[23:14] <cyphermox> whatever works :)