[00:00] <pleia2> #startmeeting
[00:00] <meetingology> Meeting started Fri Aug 19 00:00:09 2011 UTC.  The chair is pleia2. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlanBell/mootbot.
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[00:00] <pleia2> Hello and welcome to the Ubuntu Membership Review Board for the Americas meeting for August 18th 2011.  The wiki page for the Review Board is available here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership/RegionalBoards/Americas
[00:01] <pleia2> The format for the meeting is as follows: We will go through the list of applicants one by one, by date of application (FIFO).
[00:01] <pleia2> Each applicant should introduce themselves (1-5 sentences) and provide links to their Ubuntu Wiki page. After the introduction the members of the Membership Review Board will review the pages and, if needed, ask the applicant further questions.
[00:01] <pleia2> During this time it is encouraged for other members of the community to show their support for the applicant. Do not be alarmed if the members of the Membership Review Board are quiet during this time; they are most likely reading wiki/launchpad/forum/other pages and deciding how they are going to vote.
[00:01] <pleia2> When the board is ready to vote, they will publicly vote in the channel with either +1, 0, or -1 (for membership, abstain, and against membership, respectively). If the sum of those numbers is positive, then the applicant is now an official Ubuntu member! (feel free congratulate them!)
[00:01] <pleia2> Now, with any further ado, lets get started with the first applicant...
[00:01] <pleia2> looks like tenach isn't here
[00:02] <pleia2> [TOPIC] dscassel membership
[00:02] <meetingology> TOPIC: dscassel membership
[00:02] <dscassel> Hi. :)
[00:03] <dscassel> So I'm Darcy.  I'm the LoCo contact for Ubuntu Canada.
[00:03] <pleia2> dscassel: please introduce yourself and provide a link to your wiki :)
[00:03] <dscassel> Wiki page here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/dscassel
[00:03] <beuno> LoCo contact, fancy!
[00:04] <cyphermox> doing a great job at it too.
[00:04] <dscassel> I started out running release parties in my town, then formed a group locally.
[00:04] <dscassel> Thanks. :)
[00:04] <dscassel> Then I decided to revive the Ubuntu Canada LoCo which had been dormant a couple years.
[00:05] <beuno> CUSTOM CAKES!
[00:05] <dscassel> Since then I've been continuing to do local stuff and trying to encourage other Canadian cities to join the fun.
[00:05] <dscassel> Yes! :D
[00:05] <dscassel> My friend Holly does the decarating.  She's a pretty fantastic artist. :)
[00:06] <beuno> and an endorsment from Corey, hard to beat that
[00:06] <dscassel> Anyway, I've taken up chairing the ubuntu-ca IRC meetings, and I'm slowly getting out and meeting Ubuntu people in Ontario.
[00:06] <dscassel> beuno: I think he was happy someone finally took the LoCo off his hands. :)
[00:07] <dscassel> He hadn't had time to do anything for a while, so I approached him about taking over.
[00:08] <pleia2> such a complete wiki! and love to see such great testimonials :)
[00:08] <dscassel> Thanks, pleia2 :)
[00:09] <dscassel> I've been through LoCo reapprovals, so I have a pretty good idea what goes over well. :)
[00:10] <beuno> dscassel, what's it like being the LoCo contact?
[00:10] <dscassel> beuno: It's certainly interesting.
[00:11] <dscassel> Most of the job involves motivating (or trying to motivate) other people remotely.
[00:11] <beuno> "the airpplane just lost an engine" interesting?  :)
[00:11] <dscassel> And that's hard.
[00:11] <dscassel> I can keep running cool events and stuff in town fine, and that's great.
[00:11] <dscassel> I think most LoCos run like that anyway.
[00:12] <dscassel> But to be Ubuntu Canada, it really ought to be more than just me here in Waterloo.
[00:12] <dscassel> I've had some success encouraging things in Toronto.  But a big part of that is Toronto is an hour down the road.
[00:13]  * beuno nods
[00:13] <pleia2> [VOTE] dscassel membership
[00:13] <meetingology> Please vote on: dscassel membership
[00:13] <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me)
[00:13] <pleia2> +1
[00:13] <meetingology> +1 received from pleia2
[00:13] <cyphermox> +1
[00:13] <meetingology> +1 received from cyphermox
[00:13] <beuno> +1
[00:13] <meetingology> +1 received from beuno
[00:13] <Pendulum> +1
[00:13] <meetingology> +1 received from Pendulum
[00:14] <pleia2> [endvote]
[00:14] <meetingology> Voting ended on: dscassel membership
[00:14] <meetingology> Votes for:4 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0
[00:14] <meetingology> Motion carried
[00:14] <pleia2> congrats and welcome dscassel :)
[00:14] <beuno> \o/
[00:14] <dscassel> Thanks, all. :D
[00:14] <holstein> dscassel: w00t!
[00:15] <pleia2> [TOPIC] holstein membership
[00:15] <meetingology> TOPIC: holstein membership
[00:15] <holstein> hello all... this is my page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/holstein#About_Me
[00:15] <holstein> im a musician in asheville north carolina, in akgraner 's neck of the woods
[00:16] <holstein> i organize the local LUG meetings http://www.wnclug.info/
[00:16] <holstein> we try and *not* have an ubuntu users group, since it was alreay in place before i got there, but we do lots of ubuntu showcases
[00:17] <pleia2> yeah, I ran the LUG in Philly for a while, the Ubuntu volunteers were great for doing presentations and events at and with the LUG :) great way to work together
[00:17] <holstein> our NC loco is a bit down at the moment, and in transition, but there are 4 or 5 or us that our going to bring it back hopefully this fall
[00:18] <holstein> pleia2: akgraner has presented a few times :)
[00:18] <pleia2> what kind of work do you do for ubuntu studio? (I'm familiar with your UWN and tireless #ubuntu-beginners support work :))
[00:18] <holstein> i am active, and probably mostly focuses on ubuntustudio right now
[00:18] <holstein> its mostly trying to drum up help
[00:19] <holstein> im probably never going to be a coding contributor, which is unfortunate, since thats what we really need
[00:19] <holstein> but, i am helping with documenation, running meetings.. whatever scott lavendar needs help with
[00:19] <pleia2> great
[00:20] <holstein> these are exciting times (potentially) for that team
[00:20] <holstein> lots of new software coming in... ardour3, switching to XFCE
[00:20] <holstein> we'll see...
[00:20] <pleia2> I have to admit that I'm pleased about the switch to XFCE (my love!) :)
[00:20] <holstein> yeah, the xubuntu team is just awesome
[00:20] <pleia2> [VOTE] holstein membership
[00:20] <meetingology> Please vote on: holstein membership
[00:20] <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me)
[00:20] <pleia2> +1
[00:20] <meetingology> +1 received from pleia2
[00:21] <beuno> +1
[00:21] <meetingology> +1 received from beuno
[00:21] <Pendulum> +1
[00:21] <meetingology> +1 received from Pendulum
[00:21] <beuno> stgraber, you with cyphermox?
[00:21] <beuno> can you channel his vote?
[00:22] <pleia2> (cyphermox had his battery die on him, doh!)
[00:22] <holstein> :/
[00:22] <stgraber> he's supposde to appear soon. Was going to his roomfor power
[00:22] <beuno> holstein, you're 3/4, so you're technically in  ;)
[00:22] <holstein> lol
[00:22] <beuno> lets give him a bit, though
[00:23] <dscassel> Congrats, holstein :)
[00:23] <beuno> plus, who could vote against someone in the front lines, helping begginners?
[00:23] <holstein> i enjoy it
[00:23] <akgraner> holstein, rocks! (sorry just had to say so)
[00:23] <pleia2> thanks akgraner :)
[00:23] <holstein> akgraner: thanks :)
[00:24] <holstein> i wouldnt be here without akgraner 's help, thats for sure
[00:25] <stgraber> hmm, I guess I could vote too if that helps on that one. I read the wikipage and I'm part of the EMEA membership board.
[00:25] <akgraner> :-) you're welcome!  You do a lot for the team and I am excited to see all the areas you are contributing too..
[00:25] <beuno> stgraber, that works
[00:26] <pleia2> wb cyphermox
[00:26] <cyphermox> I was +1 ;)
[00:26] <beuno> \o/
[00:26] <stgraber> +1 then (just to make sure you have enough of them :))
[00:26] <cyphermox> +1
[00:26] <meetingology> +1 received from cyphermox
[00:26] <pleia2> [endvote]
[00:26] <meetingology> Voting ended on: holstein membership
[00:26] <meetingology> Votes for:4 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0
[00:26] <meetingology> Motion carried
[00:26]  * holstein high-fives dscassel ... thanks everybody!
[00:26] <charlie-tca> Congratulations, holstein
[00:26] <pleia2> congrats holstein :)
[00:26] <dscassel> :)
[00:26] <akgraner> Congrats holstein! \o/
[00:26] <akgraner> and you too dscassel !
[00:26] <cyphermox> congrats holstein and dscassel
[00:27] <dscassel> Oh, and thanks, cyphermox, for encouraging me to finally get out and do this. :)
[00:27] <pleia2> thanks for coming to the meeting everyone
[00:27] <pleia2> #endmeeting
[00:27] <meetingology> Meeting ended Fri Aug 19 00:27:16 2011 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlanBell/mootbot . (v 0.1.4)
[00:27] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2011/ubuntu-meeting.2011-08-19-00.00.moin.txt
[00:27] <charlie-tca> Congratulations, dscassel
[00:27] <beuno> congrats holstein, dscassel!
[00:27] <dscassel> Awesome. Thanks again, folks.
[14:57]  * pitti waves hello
[14:58] <skaet> hiya pitti.
[14:58] <jibel> Hey all :)
[14:58]  * skaet is on a hotel connection.   Is there a volunteer to continue the round table if I drop off again?
[14:58] <skaet> hiya jibel:)
[15:00]  * skaet looks around and doesn't see the crowd pushing forward to volunteer....
[15:00] <skaet> lol
[15:00] <skaet> oh well,  time to start
[15:01] <skaet> #startmeeting
[15:01] <meetingology> Meeting started Fri Aug 19 15:01:01 2011 UTC.  The chair is skaet. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlanBell/mootbot.
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[15:01] <skaet> hmm... just had a cut paste failure.   Will recreate and paste at end of meeting.
[15:02]  * stgraber waves
[15:02] <skaet> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ReleaseTeam/Meeting/2011-08-19
[15:03] <skaet> basically concern right now on the number of regression bugs as critical/high at this stage.
[15:03] <skaet> but ... more later
[15:03] <skaet> any questions/issues before starting in to round table?
[15:03] <skaet> ..
[15:03]  * NCommander arrives (sorry Im late)
[15:03] <skaet> [TOPIC] Hardware Certification team update - mlegris
[15:03] <meetingology> TOPIC: Hardware Certification team update - mlegris
[15:04] <skaet> or brendand?
[15:04] <mlegris> [Week 33 Testing Report]
[15:04]  * hggdh waves
[15:04] <mlegris> A3 Testing finished on Wednesday, finished ~140 systems
[15:04] <mlegris> [link] http://people.canonical.com/~hwcert/oneiric-testing/oneiric_alpha3.html
[15:04] <mlegris> .
[15:05] <mlegris> * 37 Oneiric related bugs reported
[15:05] <mlegris> * 25 are HW specific  
[15:05] <mlegris> * 17 Checkbox bugs reported
[15:05] <mlegris> (oneiric caused some havoc with our testing suite)
[15:06] <mlegris> Next week will be the normal weekly testing
[15:06] <mlegris> ..
[15:06] <skaet> Thanks mlegris!
[15:07] <skaet> Are there some bugs you consider blockers for B1 that you want extra focus on?
[15:08] <mlegris> most of the hw bugs are blockers for us
[15:08] <mlegris> vanhoof has been doing a great job looking into those
[15:09] <mlegris> fyi: bugs with blocks-hwcert are our high priority bugs
[15:09] <skaet> mlegris,  thanks.   I'll follow up early next week on some of the specifics then.
[15:09] <mlegris> great, thanks!
[15:09] <skaet> any other questions?
[15:10] <skaet> [TOPIC] Security team update - jdstrand
[15:10] <meetingology> TOPIC: Security team update - jdstrand
[15:10] <jdstrand> hello :)
[15:11] <skaet> :)
[15:11] <jdstrand> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/ReleaseStatus/Oneiric
[15:11] <jdstrand> [LINK] http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-oneiric/canonical-security.html
[15:11] <jdstrand> We are back on track for our assigned work items in our blueprints as can be seen in our trend line. Most of the remaining work items are either not tied to the release or are bug fixes.
[15:11] <jdstrand> One notable exception is apparmor mediation of dbus. As mentioned in #ubuntu-release a while ago, we are hoping to have a tech preview available for Oneiric that defaults to off (ie, dbus meditation is turned off by default and it behaves like normal).
[15:11] <jdstrand> Work is ongoing, but this may slip, at which point we should have something when 'P' opens.
[15:11] <jdstrand> Looking at the list of oneiric bugs, I don't see anything else worth highlighting.
[15:11] <jdstrand> ..
[15:12] <skaet> Thanks jdstrand!  any questions?
[15:12] <skaet> [TOPIC] Kernel team update - ogasawara
[15:12] <meetingology> TOPIC: Kernel team update - ogasawara
[15:12] <ogasawara> Overall status is reported at the first link below.  Burn down for Oneiric Beta-1 is at the second link below.  Burndown for the cycle is at the third link:
[15:12] <ogasawara> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/ReleaseStatus/Oneiric
[15:12] <ogasawara> [LINK] http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/oneiric/canonical-kernel-team-ubuntu-11.10-beta-1.html
[15:12] <ogasawara> [LINK] http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-oneiric/group/topic-oneiric-kernel-tasks.html
[15:12] <ogasawara> Last week we uploaded the Ubuntu 3.0.0-8.11 kernel which was rebased onto upstream stable v3.0.1.  Since then upstream stable v3.0.2 and v3.0.3 have released.  We've rebased and plan to upload today.  We intend this to be our final upload prior to Beta-1.  We are currently trending slightly above our Beta-1 burndown chart but are below overall.  The remaining work items are not release critical.
[15:12] <ogasawara> Of the bugs called out on the agenda against the kernel, status is as follows:
[15:13] <ogasawara> #542660: looks to be related to EFI boot not loading the video bios into ram.
[15:13] <ogasawara> #557261: updated logs attached, investigation ongoing.
[15:13] <ogasawara> #708286: assigned to kernel dev, awaiting feedback for test kernel.
[15:13] <ogasawara> #754711: on a 3.0 oneiric kernel, system now suspends but doesn't resume.  systemtap debug scripts to help investigate are being worked on for Oneiric, see 815944 (systemtap fix recently posted upstream).
[15:13] <ogasawara> #758486: updated debug information attached, investigation ongoing.
[15:13] <ogasawara> #760131: partly fixed in Oneiric and soon natty, more analysis ongoing upstream.
[15:13] <ogasawara> #784937: Fix Committed.
[15:13] <ogasawara> #790712: the order 5 allocation seems to be bogus and non-fatal; further investigation ongoing.
[15:13] <ogasawara> #791850: Fix Committed.
[15:13] <ogasawara> #793486: the requested debug info has been attached, likely going to require a bisect.
[15:13] <ogasawara> Questions?
[15:13] <ogasawara> ..
[15:13] <skaet> Thanks ogasawara!   Nice seeing those fix committeds :)
[15:14] <skaet> [TOPIC] Foundations team update - cjwatson
[15:14] <meetingology> TOPIC: Foundations team update - cjwatson
[15:14] <cjwatson> hi
[15:14] <skaet> :)
[15:14] <cjwatson> Evan landed his Ubiquity FFe; now using PyGI and GTK+ 3.
[15:14] <cjwatson> Code to switch over to new reduced DVD images committed, but I haven't quite got a successful build out of it yet due to archive inconsistency.
[15:14] <cjwatson> Working on testing and client-side scripting for new native source sync facility in Launchpad; review is nearly complete and this should be available to developers soon.
[15:15] <cjwatson> Much work on trying to sort out component-mismatches and NBS.  component-mismatches is looking rather better now (thanks doko and others!), but NBS is still a swamp (and many of these correspond to build failures).  Please help if you can.
[15:15] <cjwatson> Multiarch turned on by default on amd64 upgrades, and ia32-libs cut down quite a bit.  Steve plans to remove it entirely at the start of the P cycle.  \o/
[15:15] <cjwatson> Bugs: Still a bit of a swamp, but we should be able to make more progress now that the giant ubiquity update has landed (most of the milestoned bugs are installer problems of one kind or another).
[15:15] <cjwatson>  * 597673: Started work on constructing a suitable test environment.
[15:15] <cjwatson>  * 702283: This may or may not happen - it's Medium, and a lot of hard work.
[15:15] <cjwatson> Others are queued; I think we should be able to address at least the High ones (745960, 819624, 820514) by beta freeze.  756147 is not ours, as noted in the bug (although I've retried the build anyway since doko said it should be fixed with the current toolchain).
[15:15] <cjwatson> ..
[15:15] <skaet> Thanks cjwatson!
[15:16] <skaet> any one have specific questions?
[15:17]  * skaet just cross checked and spotted her answer in status :)
[15:17] <doko> filed ~80 ftbfs reports for main
[15:17] <doko> universe rebuild is still running
[15:17] <skaet> doko - what was the change that triggered the ~80ftbfs
[15:17] <doko> http://people.ubuntuwire.org/~wgrant/rebuild-ftbfs-test/test-rebuild-20110816-oneiric.html
[15:18] <doko> skaet, nothing particular
[15:18] <ogra_> wow, why does that differ so much from http://qa.ubuntuwire.org/ftbfs/
[15:18] <ogra_> (has only 16 packages failing for main)
[15:18] <doko> we just didn't upload everything in oneiric
[15:18] <ogra_> ah
[15:18] <doko> thanks to wgrant to adding bug numbers to this page
[15:18] <skaet> doko,  when I looked last night it was down in the 20s...
[15:19] <doko> skaet, well, the rebuild is running, it was then just one day building ...
[15:20] <skaet> doko,  ok,  will see where things are on monday then.
[15:20] <skaet> thanks
[15:21] <doko> currently we have around ~10 universe builds running/hour
[15:22] <skaet> ok,  I'll just add a request to each of the teams to have a look at the ftbfs list and help clean up the packages they're tracking.
[15:23] <doko> thanks!
[15:23] <skaet> [TOPIC] ARM team update - NCommander or ogra
[15:23] <meetingology> TOPIC: ARM team update - NCommander or ogra
[15:23] <ogra_> = Full Status is at: =
[15:23] <ogra_> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARMTeam/ReleaseStatus/Oneiric
[15:23] <ogra_> --
[15:23] <ogra_> = Summary =
[15:23] <ogra_>  - TI/linaro rework of u-boot to not need a separate x-loader package anymore is ongoing, FFe requests and adjustment of the image builders ahead !
[15:23] <ogra_>  - Cleanup of jasper is still ongoing
[15:23] <ogra_>  - AC100 image implementation is in its last stages
[15:23] <ogra_>  - mx5 livefs builds should work, now that the kernel package is in the archive. debian-cd changes pending
[15:23] <ogra_>  - fixup work on armel server to make LXC work flawless has been done last week
[15:23] <ogra_>  - constant server QA testing is ongoing
[15:23] <ogra_> --
[15:23] <ogra_> = Image Status =
[15:23] <ogra_>  - Desktop images don't build due to software-center python issues (affects all arches apparently)
[15:23] <ogra_>  - Server images build and install fine
[15:24] <ogra_>  - Netboot images work fine
[15:24] <ogra_> --
[15:24] <ogra_> = Specs =
[15:24] <ogra_>  - Entire http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/oneiric/ubuntu-arm.html
[15:24] <ogra_>  - B1 http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/oneiric/ubuntu-arm-ubuntu-11.10-beta-1.html
[15:24] <ogra_> --
[15:24] <ogra_> voila :)
[15:24] <ogra_> ..
[15:24] <skaet> :)
[15:24] <cjwatson> that software-center issue is fixed FYI
[15:24] <skaet> Thanks ogra_!
[15:24] <ogra_> yeah, i thought so
[15:24] <skaet> what's the outlook for seeing the mx5 images start to show up in the dailies?
[15:25] <ogra_> during next week i'd say, the kernel enetered the archive yesterday
[15:25] <ogra_> livecd-rootfs should have all bits, so only cdimage/debian-cd changes are pending
[15:25] <ogra_> ..
[15:25] <skaet> ogra_, coolio.   Looking forward to seeing it.  :)
[15:26] <ogra_> :)
[15:26] <skaet> any other questions?
[15:26] <skaet> [TOPIC] Linaro update - rsalveti or fabo
[15:26] <meetingology> TOPIC: Linaro update - rsalveti or fabo
[15:26] <fabo> o/
[15:26] <fabo> * OpenGL ES support for Unity 3D on Oneiric is waiting code review (requires a FFe) * Nux: https://code.launchpad.net/~linaro-graphics-wg/nux/nux-gles2/+merge/70279 * Compiz: http://git.compiz.org/compiz/core/log/?h=gles
[15:27] <fabo> * x-loader replacement with U-Boot SPL on-going Linaro 11.08 release
[15:27] <fabo> * Linaro GCC 4.6 and 4.5 2011.08 released * 4.6 fixes: bug 736007, bug 809768, bug 815777  * 4.5 fixes: bug 736007, bug 809768, bug 815435
[15:27] <fabo> * Michael Hope has commented on bug 775849. It's low priority on his list and should be re-assigned (as we agreed at last meeting).
[15:27] <fabo> ..
[15:29] <skaet> Thanks fabo!   Will look into the 775849 bug and follow up offline.
[15:29] <skaet> [TOPIC] Ubuntu One Team -  Chipaca or joshuahoover
[15:29] <meetingology> TOPIC: Ubuntu One Team -  Chipaca or joshuahoover
[15:30] <skaet> hmm... neither is around,  so before we move onto the desktops,  would like to get QA's report
[15:31] <skaet> [TOPIC] QA team update -  jibel
[15:31] <meetingology> TOPIC: QA team update -  jibel
[15:31] <jibel> * Automated Testing progress
[15:31] <jibel>   * New tests added to daily tests :
[15:31] <jibel>     * Alternate LVM and encrypted home
[15:31] <jibel>     * Desktop encrypted home and live session
[15:31] <jibel> * Bug activity
[15:31] <jibel>  Top 5 packages with most opened bugs reported during last week (over a total of 397 unique reports (no dups))
[15:31] <jibel> unity: 54	(13.60%)
[15:31] <jibel> linux: 24	(6.05%)
[15:31] <jibel> compiz: 16	(4.03%)
[15:31] <jibel> nautilus: 14	(3.53%)
[15:32] <jibel> software-center: 13	(3.27%)
[15:32] <jibel> * 36 reports are regressions (9% (+2%) of the bugs reported over last week)
[15:32] <jibel> * Top 3: unity (22), compiz (3), nautilus (2)
[15:32] <jibel> * Packages with High/Critical bugs opened and reported this week:
[15:32] <jibel> unity (10), nux (2) and ubuntu-meta (1 critical)
[15:32] <jibel> * Top 3 crashers of the week are:
[15:32] <jibel> unity: 12 (22% of the bugs reported against this package)
[15:32] <jibel> software-center: 12 ( 93% )
[15:32] <jibel> compiz: 10 (63%)
[15:33] <jibel> * Top 3 packages that need triage (based on the number of untouched reports)
[15:33] <jibel> unity:    23/54 (42.6%)
[15:33] <jibel> compiz:   13/16 (81.3%)
[15:33] <jibel> unity-2d:  9/11 (81.9%)
[15:33]  * jibel has nothing against unity :)
[15:33] <pitti> no, but it has a lot against us these days :/
[15:33] <jibel> that's all from qa
[15:34] <jibel> ..
[15:34] <jibel> any question ?
[15:34] <jibel> or comment
[15:34] <skaet> thanks jibel!  good data.
[15:34] <skaet> I'm worried about the #of critical/high regressions I was seeing yesterday too.
[15:35]  * skaet looks around for questions...
[15:35] <skaet> [TOPIC] Desktop Team update - pitti
[15:35] <meetingology> TOPIC: Desktop Team update - pitti
[15:35] <pitti> GNOME 3.1.5 mostly landed except for three remaining packages.
[15:35] <pitti> Landed some high-urgency fixes in unity which cause a lot of crashes and other grief on Friday.
[15:35] <pitti> We currently have a harder decision to make about whether or not to update pygobject to 2.90 (i. e. future 3.0). See bug 828751 for details and pro/con.
[15:36] <pitti> pygobject to 2.90 (i. e. future 3.0). See bug 828751 for details and pro/con.
[15:36] <pitti> Lots of bug fixing this week.
[15:36] <pitti> Still swamped by too many "last mile" work items for 90% done specs, and a large bug backlog.
[15:36] <pitti> RC bug status: on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/ReleaseStatus#rcbugs as usual
[15:36] <pitti> nothing earthshattering there, biggest issue for derivatives is bug 789333, which just started being worked on
[15:36] <pitti> other than that we have lots of non-RC bugs which in sum spoil the experience, but that's not a good matter to track here
[15:36] <pitti> ..
[15:36] <skaet> Thanks pitti!
[15:36] <skaet> will work with you off line to prune down the list.
[15:37] <Ursinha_> 17
[15:37] <Ursinha_> sorry
[15:37] <skaet> and thanks to robert ansell,  for fixing alot of the lightdm bugs,  that should unblock some of the other teams.
[15:38] <skaet> [TOPIC] Desktop Experience Team Update - dbarth
[15:38] <meetingology> TOPIC: Desktop Experience Team Update - dbarth
[15:38] <pitti> ecryptfs started working agian today
[15:39] <skaet> :)
[15:39] <dbarth> yup
[15:39] <dbarth> so
[15:39] <dbarth> the report as usual https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopExperienceTeam/OneiricReleaseStatus
[15:39] <dbarth> highlights:
[15:40] <dbarth> - a new weekly release of unity, with IM support and lots of bug fixes
[15:40] <dbarth> (including some out of release fixed since this morning)
[15:40] <dbarth> - alt-tab fixes as well, to make it more usable
[15:41] <dbarth> ('xcept on my machine which is running devl, so bear with me)
[15:41] <dbarth> a good series of indicator updates, the front is stable there now
[15:42] <dbarth> unity-2d missed the weekly upload, but Florian is working with seb128 now; catching up with missing views
[15:43] <dbarth> compiz: reshuffle of the branches to realign upstream with what's in oneiric
[15:43] <dbarth> the uwd rewrite branch is tracked independently now
[15:43] <dbarth> last : CJK status
[15:44] <dbarth> the xapian patch is now well tested by OEM
[15:44] <dbarth> and ibus support is mostly there, with IM support first this week, and multicontext ie ibus next week now
[15:44] <dbarth> ..
[15:44] <skaet> thanks dbarth!
[15:44] <dbarth> (sorry that was a bit slow)
[15:45] <skaet> when will the next drop be?  (wednesday?)
[15:47] <skaet> hmm..  will move on then and follow up with him offline.
[15:47] <dbarth> skaet: thursday?
[15:47] <jibel> o/
[15:47] <dbarth> why wednesday? am i missing a milestone?
[15:48] <skaet> dbarth, plan was for the drops to land on wednesday.
[15:48] <skaet> we'll be entering beta freeze on tuesday
[15:48] <skaet> s/tuesday/thursday
[15:48] <dbarth> when approaching milestones
[15:49] <skaet> yeah beta 1 is sept 1.   so its approaching.
[15:49] <skaet> :)
[15:49] <dbarth> uh, right, ok
[15:49] <dbarth> yes
[15:49] <skaet> thanks.
[15:49] <skaet> go jibel
[15:49] <jibel> dbarth, on DX team's bugs on radar list, I see no reference to 'video corruption' issues
[15:49] <jibel> there are many convergent reports showing problems there
[15:50] <jibel> What's the status (unless it's on another team's hands) ?
[15:50] <dbarth> i have no status update on it yet; jay is investigating it, but it's mostly at the driver level
[15:51] <jibel> do you expect improvements/fixes before B1 ?
[15:51] <pitti> jibel: for the corrupted popup windows? or still with external screens?
[15:51] <dbarth> ah that's different
[15:52] <dbarth> the corrupted popups are fixed
[15:52] <dbarth> or have a fix
[15:52] <pitti> ah, great; they are quite irritating
[15:52] <dbarth> the video issues are more related to fglrx problems
[15:52] <jibel> pitti, external (e.g bug 824099) and screen corruption on fglrx
[15:54] <dbarth> yes, i'm aware of this one
[15:54] <dbarth> but we don't have an answer at this point
[15:54] <jibel> ok, thanks
[15:56] <skaet> ok,   not seeing any other questions,  so moving on.
[15:56] <skaet> [TOPIC] Kubuntu Team update - ScottK
[15:56] <meetingology> TOPIC: Kubuntu Team update - ScottK
[15:57] <skaet> hmm... no ScottK around I guess..   anyone else from Kubuntu?
[15:57] <skaet> [TOPIC] Edubuntu Team update - stgraber or highvoltage
[15:57] <meetingology> TOPIC: Edubuntu Team update - stgraber or highvoltage
[15:57] <stgraber> hey everyone!
[15:57] <skaet> :)
[15:58] <stgraber> ok, so really not that much on the Edubuntu side, mostly because highvoltage is quite busy and I've been traveling lately.
[15:58] <stgraber> our images build fine which is always nice to have
[15:58] <stgraber> I'm hoping to get the initial work done on LTSP live next week so we can file the FFe and solve our last big bug
[15:59] <Daviey> stgraber: do you have any work involved in the ubiquity transition?
[15:59] <Daviey> The pygi changes?
[15:59] <stgraber> we also have a small problem with some of the tools we ship no longer working with gnome3 that we'll probably have to drop
[15:59] <stgraber> Daviey: I haven't looked at it yet, but we don't use custom widgets or simular for our steps, so if we need to port them to gi, it should be fairly easy
[16:00] <Daviey> super
[16:00] <stgraber> so it's pretty likely we'll be dropping sabayon, pessulus and nanny this cycle
[16:00] <stgraber> just need to review them once more but last we checked they weren't gnome3/dconf aware
[16:00] <stgraber> and the Edubuntu team won't have the time to port them all (especially as we aren't the upstream for these, gnome is)
[16:01] <stgraber> I guess that's all for Edubuntu
[16:01] <stgraber> any question?
[16:01] <skaet> Thanks stgraber!
[16:01] <stgraber> oh
[16:01] <stgraber> ..
[16:01] <stgraber> :)
[16:01] <skaet> :)
[16:02]  * skaet not seeing further questions so moving on...
[16:02] <skaet> [TOPIC] Xubuntu Team update - charlie-tca
[16:02] <meetingology> TOPIC: Xubuntu Team update - charlie-tca
[16:02] <charlie-tca> I apologize, I am not ready today. I just got the computer up
[16:02] <charlie-tca> lightdm bugs are fixed and it is working
[16:03] <charlie-tca> will update the agenda to reflect after the meeting
[16:03] <charlie-tca> ..
[16:03] <skaet> thanks charlie-tca!   appreciate you updating the agenda after the meeting.   It helps.  :)
[16:03] <skaet> any specific questions?
[16:03] <skaet> [TOPIC] Lubuntu Team update - gilir
[16:03] <meetingology> TOPIC: Lubuntu Team update - gilir
[16:04] <gilir> hi :)
[16:04] <skaet> :)
[16:04] <gilir> Not much to report this week
[16:04] <gilir> We focused on merging bugfix releases/revisions from Debian, and updating bugfix releases from upstream.
[16:04] <gilir> Working on lightdm switch by default, configuration is working (setting session and greeter by default), but still crashing on upgrade (maybe relative to bug #829514))
[16:04] <gilir> For next week:
[16:05] <gilir> - The new theme should be uploaded, + some community wallpapers
[16:05] <gilir> - Finishing merging bugfix releases/revisions from upstream and Debian
[16:05] <gilir> - Re-enable lightdm by default on daily, test and decide before the freeze if we keep it
[16:05] <gilir> ..
[16:05] <skaet> Thanks gilir,  I don't have that bug on my list.  Is the number accurate?
[16:06]  * skaet sees lauchpad can't find it either ;)
[16:06] <gilir> I just reported it recently, and still private for retracing
[16:06] <skaet> gilir,  coolio.   Thanks!
[16:07] <skaet> any questions?
[16:07] <jibel> gilir, you'll wait for a while, there's no retracer
[16:08] <gilir> jibel, ok thanks :)
[16:08] <skaet> [TOPIC] MOTU team update - tumbleweed
[16:08] <meetingology> TOPIC: MOTU team update - tumbleweed
[16:08] <tumbleweed> hi
[16:08] <skaet> :)
[16:08] <tumbleweed> Since freeze, people have been concentrating on FTBFS \o/
[16:08] <tumbleweed> http://corelli.tumbleweed.org.za/ubuntu-qa/qa-ftbfs/oneiric-historical.html (I really must get that in good shape for ubuntuwire...)
[16:08] <tumbleweed> I suspect we'll see many more in doko's rebuild
[16:08] <tumbleweed> Still lots of NBS/transition work to do too
[16:09]  * skaet nods
[16:09] <tumbleweed> No sign of the eclipse FFe that micahg mentioned, yet
[16:09] <tumbleweed> I tried to politely enforce FFes for the dh_python2 transitions, but that hasn't achieved much. One incomplete FFe, and a response of ~ "I'd like to do these without bureaucracy, please" :/
[16:09] <tumbleweed> that's all from me
[16:09] <tumbleweed> ..
[16:10] <skaet> thanks tumbleweed!   can you send me more details offline about the FFe?
[16:11] <tumbleweed> sure
[16:11] <skaet> thanks!
[16:11] <skaet> any other questions?
[16:11] <skaet> [TOPIC] Server team update - Daviey
[16:11] <meetingology> TOPIC: Server team update - Daviey
[16:11] <Daviey> o/
[16:11] <skaet> :)
[16:11] <Daviey> Hi, things are looking pretty good!
[16:11] <Daviey> Since the last meeting, lots of openstack and it's depends have entered main.  There are a few issues blocking swift/glance promotion, but these have been identified and on target to be resolved.
[16:11] <Daviey> python-carrot promotion is currently on hold, as we are hoping to replace it with python-kombu which is requiring ongoing work in upstream.
[16:11] <Daviey> We also have an initial armel cloud image, which is undergoing testing (HINT: it doesn't yet work)..  but it is there, and a reproducible build (added complexity).
[16:11] <Daviey> eucalyptus (now universe) is currently in a poor state, with nobody seemingly actively working on it.  Upgrade path from natty is currently concerning.
[16:11] <Daviey> Bugs we are currently tracking for Oneiric release. (Including FFe's, FTBFS's, MIR's and general bugs)
[16:11] <Daviey> http://status.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/ubuntu-server/release-bugs.html
[16:12] <Daviey> Burndown overview looks a little off par, but i believe it became out of date this week - we are working to fix the status now.
[16:12] <Daviey> http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-oneiric/group/topic-oneiric-server-overview.html
[16:12] <Daviey> (As ever, if there are any I am not tracking, please raise them either now or as soon as possible).
[16:12] <Daviey> There are still some FFe bugs which need raising, and they are being addresses as soon as possible.
[16:12] <Daviey> Thanks!
[16:12] <Daviey> ...
[16:12] <skaet> Thanks Daviey!    Will look into those links a bit more after the meeting.
[16:13] <skaet> anyone have questions right now for Daviey?
[16:13] <tumbleweed> Daviey: any response with getting kombu in thorugh debian?
[16:14] <Daviey> tumbleweed: That is entirely blocked on ampqlib >1.0 which is a depends
[16:14] <tumbleweed> ah, right
[16:14] <Daviey> That needs resolving in Ubuntu & Debian before that can happen.
[16:14] <ScottK> skaet: Here now.
[16:14] <Daviey> tumbleweed: Don't worry, we will push back :)
[16:15] <skaet> ScottK,  coolio.  ok, will have you go next before we wrap up.
[16:15] <tumbleweed> Daviey: I promised to help out on the debian side in the FFe bug, but just hadn't seen any activity
[16:15] <Daviey> tumbleweed: Yeah, wanted to get the the depends resolved first.
[16:16] <Daviey> tumbleweed: Appreciate your offer to help.. will keep you posted!
[16:16] <tumbleweed> np, thanks
[16:16] <tumbleweed> ..
[16:16] <skaet> [TOPIC] Kubuntu Team update - ScottK
[16:16] <meetingology> TOPIC: Kubuntu Team update - ScottK
[16:16] <ScottK> Hello.
[16:17] <ScottK> Currently working through FTBFS from the rebuild test and looking at how much plasma-active work it's reasonable to land post FF.
[16:17] <ScottK> I expect a couple of FFes for that resolved in the next few days.
[16:18] <ScottK> No major issues to report.
[16:18] <ScottK> ..
[16:18] <skaet> Thanks ScottK!
[16:19] <skaet> There are some bugs from the A3 ISO testing that are still marked as new with no priority set.   Have the ones on the agenda been looked at?
[16:20] <skaet> Bug:820384
[16:21] <Daviey> bug 820384
[16:21] <skaet> Bug 820591
[16:22] <skaet> ^^ has a kde_workspace task that is the one I'm wondering about.
[16:23]  * ScottK looks
[16:24] <skaet> ScottK,  thanks.   we can follow up after the meeting then.
[16:24] <ScottK> skaet: As it says in the bug, I think the question is if Ubiquity can do anything.
[16:24] <ScottK> From a KDE perspective it's working as designed.
[16:24] <ScottK> OK.
[16:24] <skaet> [TOPIC] Any other business?  - all
[16:24] <meetingology> TOPIC: Any other business?  - all
[16:24] <skaet> Events approaching:
[16:24] <skaet> BetaFreeze: Aug 25, 2011 at 2100 UTC.
[16:24] <skaet> UserInterfaceFreeze: August 25, 2011 at 2100 UTC.
[16:24] <skaet> Beta 1: Sept 1, 2011.
[16:25] <skaet> ..
[16:25] <skaet> anyone else?
[16:25] <micahg> o/
[16:25] <skaet> go micahg
[16:26] <micahg> just wanted to say, that eclipse is currently broken, so it'll probably be after beta1 before it's ready
[16:26] <micahg> ..
[16:26] <skaet> thanks for flagging micahg,  release note time then it seems.
[16:27] <skaet> anyone else?
[16:27] <micahg> well, I mean 3.7 is broken, idk about 3.5 in oneiric
[16:27] <skaet> ah,  didn't understand the context.  Thanks for clarifying.
[16:27] <skaet> #endmeeting
[16:27] <meetingology> Meeting ended Fri Aug 19 16:27:56 2011 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlanBell/mootbot . (v 0.1.4)
[16:27] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2011/ubuntu-meeting.2011-08-19-15.01.moin.txt
[16:28] <skaet> Thanks mlegris, jdstrand, ogasawara, cjwatson, ogra_, fabo, pitti, dbarth, stgraber, Daviey, tumbleweed, gilir, charlie-tca, ScottK, micahg
[16:28] <stgraber> thanks skaet
[16:28] <pitti> thanks all
[16:28] <skaet> thanks jibel
[16:28] <jdstrand> thanks skaet
[16:28] <jibel> thanks skaet
[16:29] <charlie-tca> Thanks, skaet
[16:36] <ScottK> tumbleweed: re dh_python2 transitions, I think we need a mail to u-d-a saying toolchain redesign (e.g. dh_python2 or cdbs -> dh) changes should have FFe.
[16:37] <tumbleweed> ScottK: yeah, agreed
[16:37] <ScottK> Care to write it?
[16:37] <tumbleweed> heh, sure