[08:03] <andrejz> dpm do you possibly have session notes from yesterday available somewhere. I think i forgot one of my actions :(
[08:04] <dpm> andrejz, don't worry, I'll send them later on today. I'm a bit busy with developer.ubuntu.com today, but I'll try to send them by the end of the day
[08:04] <andrejz> sure, no rush
[08:04] <dpm> so don't worry about remembering the actions, that's what the notes are for :)
[08:06] <dpm> damn, I hate it when evolution inadvertently crashes...
[08:34] <yurchor> Hi! Is two gcc-4.6 templates in 11.10 the expected feature?
[08:34] <yurchor> https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/oneiric/+source/gcj-4.6/+pots/gcc-4.6/uk/+translate
[08:34] <yurchor> https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/oneiric/+source/gcc-4.6/+pots/gcc-4.6/uk/+translate
[08:36] <dpm> yurchor, one is for the java compiler and the other for the c compiler
[08:37] <yurchor> But they are identical, aren't they?
[08:47] <yurchor> I mean it will lead to the package conflict if someone translate these templates in different way in any installable language.
[09:06] <kelemengabor> they look to be identical
[09:31] <yurchor> Quality of the new unity-lens-music is not very high... Missing "90s", "funk" and "rock" from the small letter... Just a rant. ;)
[10:01] <kelemengabor> dpm: I have the impression that the gcj package uses the same source as gcc, and is separate only to make packaging easier or something like this. therefore, we should disable its translation templates
[10:02] <kelemengabor> and thank yurchor for spotting it :)
[10:20] <gumara> So, I need some help about translation.
[10:21] <gumara> ?
[10:22] <gumara> https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/oneiric/+source/ubiquity/+pots/ubiquity-debconf/th/211/+translate
[10:22] <gumara> In 11.04 and 11.10 don't display as this word.
[10:28] <kelemengabor> hi gumara, I think it is normal that you don't see this in the software yet
[10:28] <kelemengabor> as this was translated on 05-02, this was too late for 11.04
[10:29] <kelemengabor> and AFAIK there was no translation update yet for 11.10 in the installer
[10:29] <kelemengabor> but I'm sure that there will be one
[11:00] <kelemengabor> dpm: gnome-applets is now in universe, I'm disabling it: https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/oneiric/+source/gnome-applets
[11:01] <dpm> kelemengabor, ack, thanks
[11:03] <kelemengabor> system-tools-backends too: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/oneiric/+source/system-tools-backends
[11:05] <kelemengabor> gnome-mag is next: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/oneiric/+source/gnome-mag
[11:06] <kelemengabor> and gnome-system-tools: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/oneiric/+source/gnome-system-tools
[11:06] <kelemengabor> we still don't have an automated way to detect obsolete templates, do we?
[11:08] <dpm> no, unfortunately not
[11:10] <andrejz> kelemengabor, how do you check if packages are in main? via packages.ubuntu.com?
[11:13] <kelemengabor> andrejz: I start on https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/oneiric/+lang/hu?batch=300 on this page, I click the package name, this takes me to the translation page like https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/oneiric/+source/kde-runtime/+pots/solid-hardware/hu/+translate then I clikc Overview in the top left corner, this takes to https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/oneiric/+source/kde-runtime and here you can see the Component 
[11:14] <kelemengabor> slow and manual process, but if you know which packages are likely to be obsolete nowadays, it can be effective :)
[11:14] <dpm> kelemengabor, andrejz, you can also install the ubuntu-dev-tools package and use the rmadison tool:
[11:14] <dpm>     rmadison <package>
[11:15] <andrejz> does this specify package for current version or all
[11:15] <dpm> it's quite handy to determine whether a package is (or was) in main
[11:15] <dpm> yeah
[11:15] <dpm> for all active distros
[11:15] <andrejz> If i wanna check what's in 11.10 do i need to run it?
[11:15] <andrejz> ok, cool
[11:16] <dpm> andrejz, here's an example of the output:
[11:16] <dpm> $ rmadison gnome-control-center
[11:16] <dpm> gnome-control-center | 1:2.22.1-0ubuntu4 |         hardy | source, amd64, i386
[11:16] <dpm> gnome-control-center | 1:2.22.1-0ubuntu4.1 | hardy-updates | source, amd64, i386
[11:16] <dpm> gnome-control-center | 1:2.30.0-0ubuntu4 |         lucid | source, amd64, i386
[11:16] <dpm> gnome-control-center | 1:2.30.1-0ubuntu2 | lucid-updates | source, amd64, i386
[11:16] <dpm> gnome-control-center | 1:2.32.0-0ubuntu2 |      maverick | source, amd64, i386
[11:16] <dpm> gnome-control-center | 1:2.32.1-0ubuntu15 |         natty | source, amd64, i386
[11:16] <dpm> gnome-control-center | 1:3.1.4-0ubuntu5 |       oneiric | amd64, i386
[11:16] <dpm> gnome-control-center | 1:3.1.5-0ubuntu1 |       oneiric | source
[11:17] <andrejz> yes, but where do you see if it's in main or not?
[11:17] <kelemengabor> $ rmadison synaptic
[11:17] <kelemengabor>   synaptic | 0.61ubuntu9 |         hardy | source, amd64, i386
[11:17] <kelemengabor>   synaptic | 0.63.1ubuntu6 |         lucid | source, amd64, i386
[11:17] <kelemengabor>   synaptic | 0.63.1ubuntu7 | lucid-updates | source, amd64, i386
[11:17] <kelemengabor>   synaptic | 0.63.1ubuntu14 |      maverick | source, amd64, i386
[11:17] <kelemengabor>   synaptic | 0.75.1ubuntu2 |         natty | source, amd64, i386
[11:17] <kelemengabor>   synaptic | 0.75.2ubuntu6 | oneiric/universe | source, amd64, i386
[11:17] <kelemengabor> andrejz: here
[11:18] <andrejz> oh i see /universe indicates not in main :)
[11:18] <kelemengabor> hm... if synaptic is in main, why is synaptic-manual translatable?
[11:20] <andrejz> but it's not in main anymore
[11:20] <kelemengabor> yep
[11:20] <andrejz> so synaptic-manual should be disabled too
[11:20] <kelemengabor> and synaptic is still translatable too
[11:21] <andrejz> ok i will disable it
[11:21] <kelemengabor> no - I just did it
[11:22] <andrejz> ok, cool
[11:22] <andrejz> unity templates are now visible
[11:24] <kelemengabor> hm... someone enabled this: https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/oneiric/+source/scribus
[11:25] <kelemengabor> last time I saw, it was a Qt program, using qm files for actual translation, and providing po files only for convenience
[11:25] <kelemengabor> anything changed since?
[11:27] <andrejz> iirc scribus is in main
[11:28] <andrejz> that's why i enabled it at some point in the past
[11:28] <andrejz> i wasn't aware f qm /po files situation
[11:28] <andrejz> *of
[11:28] <kelemengabor> http://packages.ubuntu.com/oneiric/i386/scribus/filelist
[11:28] <kelemengabor> /usr/share/scribus/translations/scribus.af.qm
[11:28] <kelemengabor> /usr/share/scribus/translations/scribus.ar.qm
[11:28] <kelemengabor> etc...
[11:29] <kelemengabor> no problem, but we should disable it then
[11:29] <andrejz> yes, i agree
[11:29] <andrejz> it ended up in imports queue one day, i confirmed it was in main and so i gave it a go
[11:34] <kelemengabor> I disabled it, and blocked the pot file
[11:35] <andrejz> ok, thx
[11:36] <kelemengabor> dpm: there are a few po files in the import queue of scribus, should I block them or delete?
[11:39] <dpm> kelemengabor, I'd say delete them for now, I'm still not sure what to do with scribus (they use qt linguist, IIRC)
[11:39] <kelemengabor> done
[11:40] <kelemengabor> well, we can't do much about it until we have native ts/qm file format import/export support in LP
[11:41] <artnay> transifex supports those nowadays, you might want to take a look at their solution
[11:42] <artnay> http://help.transifex.net/user-guide/formats.html#qt-files
[11:43] <kelemengabor> artnay: I think we could discuss moving Ubuntu translations to a Transifex platform at the next UDS
[11:43] <kelemengabor>  /troll
[11:43] <artnay> you almost got me
[11:44] <kelemengabor> :)
[12:17] <kelemengabor> I wonder... won't it cause collisions/lost work if we export a gcc.mo/cpplib.mo/libstdc++.mo file from gcc-4.4, gcc-4.5 and gcc-4.6 at the same time?
[12:19]  * kelemengabor thinks we went too far with this "let's translate everything in LP" idea :(
[12:28] <andrejz> IMO all gcc templates can be disabled, since people who use those will most likely want to use them in english
[12:29] <andrejz> i know that at least for our team we will probably never get to gcc
[12:32] <kelemengabor> yeah, this is why we don't even try to translate it either
[12:39] <andrejz> we rather transfer the docs and such
[12:40] <andrejz> it's rather difficult to find a good programming book in slovenian (due to small market - 2 million) so whoever uses gcc is almost forced to do english already
[13:04] <kelemengabor> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Translations/LanguagePackUpdatesQA has still no response from es and pt_BR :(
[13:15] <RawChid> kelemengabor, will it still be helpful if we test Kubuntu?
[13:16] <RawChid> Because the deadline elapsed
[13:16] <kelemengabor> RawChid: well sure, but be quick
[13:16] <RawChid> How quick?
[13:16] <kelemengabor> I was about to ping pitti about the test results
[13:16] <RawChid> well, if we don't test it, it will be released anyway?
[13:17] <kelemengabor> no, then it stays in -proposed
[13:17] <RawChid> Hmm, okay. we don't have the resources to be that quick now. Just do your thing :)
[13:17] <kelemengabor> like, half an hour quick? is that enough?
[13:18] <Jessica_Lily> dpm, you know the locale thing I'm creating..
[13:18] <Jessica_Lily> for na'vi
[13:18] <RawChid> But if I test it later. It is still helpful to update THAT wiki page kelemengabor?
[13:18] <kelemengabor> RawChid: oh, I see... then not
[13:18] <Jessica_Lily> you know its language_region .. what region would na'vi be... I'm assuming pandora wouldn't be valid xD
[13:19] <kelemengabor> unfortunately. but we have only one deadline, if you miss it, the next deadline will be for another langpack
[13:20] <RawChid> kelemengabor, I fully understand. I just saw it a minute ago that we didn't test Kubuntu.
[13:26] <dpm> Jessica_Lily, you can have a look at the klingon locale, see what region they used :)
[13:26] <Jessica_Lily> GB
[13:26] <Jessica_Lily> I looked
[17:03] <dpm> ok, I'm finally heading for the weekend. Have a good one everyone!