[00:19] <HazRPG> I has emulated android on my desktop \o/
[00:20] <HazRPG> (SDK ftw \o/)
[01:51] <Azelphur> anyone know who sam ripling is? :p
[01:51] <Azelphur> just noticed he's right next to me on the Ubuntu map o.O
[02:12] <dsas> I think I've just effectively deleted someone from the map by plonking my marker down directly on top of theirs.
[02:12] <Azelphur> hax.
[05:05] <AlanBell> morning all
[05:11]  * AlanBell is in gatwick waiting for a gate to be announced
[05:12]  * AlanBell goes to gate 16
[06:16] <Gary> morning all o/
[06:58] <MooDoo> morning
[07:10] <diplo> Morning all
[07:38] <hoover> mornin all
[07:39] <hoover> brb
[08:01] <DJones> Morning all
[08:10] <MooDoo> morning DJones davmor2
[08:10] <DJones> Hi MooDoo
[08:10] <DJones> Any news on the little ones arrival yet?
[08:11] <MooDoo> nope :S potentially a few weeks, although she's measuring at 42 weeks
[08:11] <davmor2> morning all
[08:11] <davmor2> morning MooDoo
[08:11] <czajkowski> Aloha
[08:11]  * davmor2 prods czajkowski 
[08:12]  * czajkowski stabs davmor2 
[08:12]  * MooDoo shakes davmor2's hand and gives czajkowski a kiss on the cheek complimenting her on how stunning she looks this morning....as usual :D
[08:13] <czajkowski> eh... who are you and gimmie back my old MooDoo
[08:14] <MooDoo> czajkowski: but laura, you are the apple of my eye, the angel of delight :)
[08:15] <czajkowski> oh shrup
[08:15]  * davmor2 whacks MooDoo with a baseball bat 
[08:15]  * MooDoo stabs davmor2 and pokes czajkowski ..... and i'm back :)
[08:15] <MooDoo> cheers davmor2 :)
[08:18] <gord> got a bunch of 2TB drives arriving today, so exciting :)
[08:18] <MooDoo> woohoo
[08:19] <MooDoo> gord: i need to upgrade my nas at some point too....only got 500gb drives in there at the moment.
[08:20] <gord> these were pretty cheep :) good time to be buying
[08:20] <gord> 50 quid a pop
[08:20] <andylockran> is there an issue with he ubuntu package servers at teh moment, seem very slow
[08:20] <andylockran> security.ubuntu.com
[08:20] <gord> andylockran, just upgraded my machine at 300kb/s (my max)
[08:20] <gord> they felt slow for me yesterday though
[08:21] <andylockran> gord: I'm updating at ~25kB/s at the moment
[08:21] <andylockran> (and this is on a colo'd server)
[08:21] <gord> andylockran, dang, switch mirrors?
[08:22] <andylockran> possibly have to do that yeah..
[08:26] <daubers> andylockran: snap...
[08:26] <daubers> How unstable is oneiric at the moment?
[08:27] <MooDoo> daubers: general use for me was ok, it just crashed a lot when i was trying to mount cifs shares...
[08:29] <daubers> MooDoo: Hmmm... might update my laptop shortly
[08:30] <MooDoo> daubers: i've removed it for the moment, back on natty.
[08:30] <daubers> heh :)
[08:30] <daubers> I can fall back on the netbook/mac mini if needed
[08:31] <MooDoo> i'm glad that natty has ubuntu classic mode as well :D
[08:31] <davmor2> daubers: I'm at a canonical qa sprint using an oneiric only laptop seems fine.
[08:31] <daubers> Heh :)
[08:47] <waveform> andylockran: certainly seems there's something odd with the update servers - I'm getting 30kb/s at the mo (usually get anywhere between 2mb/s and 4mb/s here)
[08:48] <bigcalm> Anybody else catch something nasty from the oggcamp weekend? My throat is rough is flip and swallowing hurts
[08:49] <hoover> ugh... sorry to hear that biggie. Shouldn't have shared those beer mugs ;-)
[08:49] <andylockran> waveform: sure - there seemed to be a big release of debian security updates y'day - not sure if that has anything to do with it?
[08:50] <bigcalm> My upgrade download seems to have stalled
[08:50] <Neoti_Laptop> hi all .. been a long time since i was in here ... hope alls well .. i would just like to know when Ubuntu will have support for playback of Bluerays direct from the disk ... with out ripping them for playback in XBMC ....
[08:52] <bigcalm> I'm getting 28.7KB/s now \o/
[08:53] <bigcalm> While getting the kernel
[08:55] <andylockran> bigcalm: :|
[08:55] <waveform> yup - definitely not normal - oh well, guess there's something up with the uk mirror
[08:57] <andylockran> waveform: bigcalm do you know where best to get info on what's up with them?
[08:59] <jpds> andylockran / bigcalm / waveform: traceroutes please.
[09:00] <jpds> gb.archive looks like it's ticking along, business as usual.
[09:00] <waveform> jpds: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/460661/
[09:00] <popey> bigcalm: oggflu?
[09:02] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Dave Morris] Android remote for Banshee - http://davemorris.wordpress.com/2011/08/19/android-remote-for-banshee/
[09:03] <popey> !membership
[09:03] <jpds> waveform: Well, I can't see anything wrong with the host.
[09:04] <waveform> jpds: yeah, the traceroute looks perfectly happy - although I've just noticed it's actually security.ubuntu.com that apt-get's downloading at a snail's pace from - traceroute for that looks normal too though
[09:04] <waveform> (can paste if you want still)
[09:04] <jpds> waveform: Oh, that's probably busy as ever too.
[09:05] <waveform> hmm, a modem worthy 32kb/s is unusually slow in my experience - still, no big deal - I'll just leave it
[09:05] <bigcalm> popey: I'd say so. *gruff cough*
[09:07] <bigcalm> 50ish K/sec now
[09:07] <bigcalm> Ah well. It'll just mean a system reboot when it's finished. So I'm in no rush :)
[09:18] <bigcalm> There's something to be said for drinking tea out of this chunky oggcamp 11 mug
[09:18] <MooDoo> bigcalm: big mug?
[09:18] <bigcalm> MooDoo: smaller than last year's
[09:18] <bigcalm> MooDoo: but chunky
[09:18] <MooDoo> cool
[09:19] <bigcalm> https://plus.google.com/113834766641843352499/posts/JXLeyxNzGro
[09:21] <andypiper> SMALLER THAN LAST YEAR?
[09:21] <andypiper> I have been ROBBED
[09:21] <oimon> bigcalm: just read the scrollback..i got the throat thing too
[09:22] <bigcalm> Ha!
[09:22] <tonytiger> I think they are bigger.
[09:22] <tonytiger> But haven't carried out a scientific test.
[09:22] <bigcalm> tonytiger: how's your throat?
[09:22] <tonytiger> Croaky
[09:23] <bigcalm> I definitely caught something
[09:23] <oimon> i only attended saturday though, i could have caught it off my son
[09:23] <tonytiger> I think I caught this off mark
[09:24] <tonytiger> he was sitting in my front room on monday looking ill
[09:24] <oimon> i should probably take alcohol gel to those things to avoid picking things up..nobody would think it weird at a geek event
[09:24] <bigcalm> Well, if you will go kissing strange men
[09:25] <andypiper> what tonytiger and marxjohnson get up to in the privacy of studio A...
[09:25] <oimon> btw are hp really ditching webos? or maybe another comapny will take it on
[09:25] <andypiper> sounds like it
[09:25] <andypiper> amazing given the push they did for devs in Europe over the early summer
[09:25] <oimon> might get new life if other vendors could sell it
[09:26] <andypiper> webmink seemed to think it had a good opp as OSS
[09:26] <oimon> would be nice
[09:26]  * andypiper is away: away right now...
[09:42] <popey> Laney: when is the deadline for DMB membership proposals?
[09:43] <popey> ooo found your mail
[09:43] <Laney> 22nd
[09:43] <popey> ta
[09:44] <popey> done
[09:44] <Laney> done what?
[09:44] <popey> nominated someone
[09:44] <Laney> aha
[09:45] <Laney> wonder who ;-)
[09:45]  * Laney looks around
[09:45]  * popey stands in front of various people
[09:45] <popey> looking nonchalante
[09:45] <popey> not easy to spell or do
[09:46] <MooDoo> huh?
[09:46] <Laney> you confirmed with $person that $person is happy to be nominated?
[09:46] <davmor2> oneiric's flash is dead on 64bit Yay :(
[09:46] <MooDoo> what are you two on about :)
[09:46]  * Laney passes MooDoo a brown envelope
[09:46] <MooDoo> cheers Laney , er i think :)
[09:46] <Laney> also the Official Secrets Act
[09:47] <popey> Laney: ya, because that was in the requirements of your mail
[09:47] <bigcalm> tonytiger: filled to the brim: oggcamp 10 mugs measure 400ml, oggcamp 11 mugs measure 320(ish)ml
[09:47]  * popey followed Laneys orders
[09:47] <Laney> gots to check
[09:47]  * popey points bigcalm at another channel
[09:48] <MooDoo> Laney: you cheap skate, the envelope is full of loo paper ;)
[09:48] <popey> valuable loo paper
[09:48] <bigcalm> Awww
[09:55] <bigcalm> And that's the power of an SSD. Rebooting takes no time at all ;)
[09:55] <popey> heh
[09:55] <MooDoo> oh hell yeah ssd = ftw!
[09:59] <gord> most of my time during boot is spent in the bios ;)
[10:00] <MartijnVdS> gord: same here
[10:00] <MartijnVdS> \o/ ssd
[10:00] <MartijnVdS> oh Unity wins second place though, even after reinstall
[10:15] <zmo_> hi, how can i flush every "-i ethX" rules in my iptables ?
[10:15] <brobostigon> morning everyone.
[10:27] <dwatkins> !iptables
[10:27] <MartijnVdS> removing all rules from a specific interface will require some scripting though
[10:30]  * daubers likes jammy dodgers
[10:30] <dwatkins> I thought it was just a case of flushing the tables (which I wouldn't reccomend on a system connected directly to the internet as it will make it insecure)
[10:30] <czajkowski> CUSTARD CREAMS ftw!
[10:31] <dwatkins> davmor2: they're called TARDIS detonators in our home ;)
[10:31] <czajkowski> danfish: so when we organising our next rugby meet up!
[10:35] <MooDoo> czajkowski: remind me not to make stupid england/ireland comments if i go this time :)
[10:36] <diplo> iptables -F ?
[10:37] <diplo> Been a while since I've done any iptables stuff now
[10:37] <MooDoo> http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/flush-iptables-ubuntu-linux/
[10:37] <MartijnVdS> MooDoo: that's flushing them all
[10:38] <MartijnVdS> not just the ones with -i ethx
[10:38] <MooDoo> a
[10:38] <MooDoo> ah
[10:45] <gord> got fed up with the google bar thing not being available all the time, so i made bookmarks of them all for my bookmark bar in firefox :) its worked out well
[10:53] <waveform> zmo_: here's a quick start which should dump the chain and rule-number of each rule which mentions eth[0-9]: iptables -L -n -v --line-numbers | awk '$1=="Chain" {chain=$2;} $7 ~ /eth[0-9]/ {print chain, $1;}'
[10:54] <waveform> given that they're rule numbers I'd pipe that through tac to reverse it (otherwise deletion will go a bit wrong) and pipe that with xargs to "iptables -D" (using the option for one invocation per line - can't remember what that is off-hand)
[10:58] <zmo_> waveform, thanks for  help, ive started to operate on the text with awk .. but i ve solve dedicating a chain to certain rules and doing iptables -X chain-name when done
[10:58] <waveform> ah, -L is the thing you need for xargs, so something like this should do the trick: iptables -L -n -v --line-numbers | awk '$1=="Chain" {chain=$2;} $7 ~ /eth[0-9]/ {print chain, $1;}' | tac | xargs -L 1 echo iptables -D
[10:58] <waveform> (remove the echo to get it to actually execute - I just put it there to see what it'd do)
[11:01] <daubers> why are big FOSS projects so badly documented :(
[11:03] <zmo_> waveform, i also always put "echo" testing my stuff :)
[11:09] <MartijnVdS> https://twitter.com/#!/Queen_UK/status/104506799096463360
[11:15] <daubers> MartijnVdS: If only that was the real Queen.
[11:15] <MartijnVdS> daubers: it's not?!
[11:16]  * AlanBell is outside the scope of that announcement anyway
[11:17] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: Where are you?
[11:17] <AlanBell> County Clare
[11:17] <MartijnVdS> wrong part of Ireland ;)
[11:17] <MartijnVdS> of the island it's on*
[11:18]  * MartijnVdS steps out of the political/potential muck that is (Northern) Ireland in politics
[11:20]  * AlanBell can see the sea
[11:20] <MartijnVdS> not the ocean?
[11:21] <AlanBell> yup, the atlantic
[11:21] <AlanBell> cold and wet. I went for a paddle earlier
[11:21] <daubers> AlanBell: There's sharks and people poo in the ocean!!!!
[11:21] <MartijnVdS> I returned from Riga yesterday, it was hot and humid :)
[11:22] <hoover> nice AlanBell
[11:23]  * hoover 's headed for Crete tomorrow morning
[11:23] <MartijnVdS> Ah, to invest in the Greek economy?
[11:24] <daubers> MartijnVdS: s/invest/take advantage of/
[11:24] <MartijnVdS> daubers: "doing his part in the bailout" :)
[11:25] <AlanBell> is http://libertus.co.uk and http://www.libertus.co.uk working?
[11:26] <AlanBell> just did a DNS change
[11:26] <MartijnVdS> seems to work for me
[11:26] <MartijnVdS> blue/green page?
[11:26] <AlanBell> yeah, thanks
[11:28] <hoover> MartijnVdS: sort of ;-)
[11:28] <hoover> we've been dumping our hard-earned euros there a few times in the past
[11:29] <hoover> didn't help much though
[11:50] <hoover> cheers all
[11:52] <daubers> hmmm.... dns mystery
[11:53] <daubers> Anyone got a decent phone number for UK2? Not one that is on their website, tells yo uto redial another number that then doesn't exist?
[11:54] <MartijnVdS> daubers: the 0800 one or the +44 one?
[11:55] <daubers> MartijnVdS: the +44 one if you have it
[11:55] <MartijnVdS> daubers: that's on the site..
[11:55] <daubers> The one that ends in 0086 just rings out :)
[11:55] <daubers> then tells me it's not been recognised
[11:55] <MartijnVdS> Just ring sales, ask them to connect you to the right person :)
[11:58] <daubers> Ahhh, the forever ringing phone line
[11:58] <daubers> (again)
[11:59]  * daubers waits for the inevitable "We're sorry, the number you've dialled has not been recognised"
[11:59] <daubers> but apparently the other person has hung up
[11:59] <MartijnVdS> daubers: Maybe Canary Wharf disappeared off the face of the earth?
[11:59] <DJones> daubers: Its lunchtime on a friday afternoon, they'll all be in the pub
[12:07]  * popey pokes daubers with #oggcamp
[12:12] <daubers> \o/ For some reason they'd taken our zone records out of the DNS servers
[12:12] <daubers> No business critical email for at least 24 hours now
[12:13]  * daubers goes to find another DNS provider
[12:14] <MartijnVdS> gandi \o/
[12:15] <brobostigon> :)
[12:16]  * brobostigon has hashings of ginger beer.
[12:16] <brobostigon> lashings*
[14:04] <dogmatic69> hehe http://mthruf.files.wordpress.com/2011/08/job-fails-then-press-any-key-to-continue.jpg
[15:07] <Azelphur> Loving that my new headset charges via MicroUSB :D
[15:07] <Azelphur> Step 1) Buy 5000mAh phone battery pack, Step 2) Velcro, Step 3), 10x battery life
[15:09] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: Or step 1 -  buy car battery.. :)
[15:09] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: step 2, buy car phone charger
[15:09] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: step 3, 1000x battery life :)
[15:10] <Azelphur> hehe
[15:10] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: http://www.ikonglobal.com/
[15:10] <Azelphur> MartijnVdS: only cost me £16 for the charger too, they are doing £9 off special offer today :D
[15:11] <Azelphur> haha
[15:11] <popey> which phone battery pack?
[15:11] <Azelphur> http://www.amazon.co.uk/New-Trent-ultra-pack-5000mAh-Universal/dp/B003Y58CVC/ref=pd_sxp_grid_pt_2_0
[15:11] <popey> it has a normal usb a port?
[15:12] <Azelphur> popey: logo on the front of it has a big picture of a USB port on it :D
[15:12] <Azelphur> http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/61wBvZdMIPL._AA1362_.jpg I'd hope so
[15:13] <shauno> I have something similar.  has a microusb port to charge from, and a regular usb port to power my toys
[15:13] <popey> neat
[15:13] <Azelphur> yea I'm wondering how you charge it now
[15:13] <popey> heheh
[15:13] <Azelphur> and what the power button is for
[15:13] <popey> i was wondering that
[15:13] <popey> "New Trent was marketed exclusively by New Trent. AC Charger is not included but you can use iphone AC charger, 6 months product warranty
[15:13] <popey> "
[15:14] <popey> http://www.amazon.co.uk/TeckNet-Dual-Port-Universal-Incredible-Blackberry/dp/B000NDQ92W/ref=pd_bxgy_ce_img_b
[15:14] <popey> also looks good
[15:14] <popey> multiple ports
[15:15]  * Azelphur looks up reviews
[15:15] <MartijnVdS> They sell these over here: http://www.philips.nl/c/voedingsoplossingen/25942/cat/nl/
[15:15] <MartijnVdS> hm, that's the category page
[15:16] <Azelphur> reviews say "It does not work as a USB charger" wtf but item title is Universal USB battery pack
[15:16] <Azelphur> :S
[15:16] <ging> that charger 5000mah has 3x as big a battery as my phone
[15:17] <ging> i wonder how efficently it can deliver that charge into a phone
[15:17] <ging> Azelphur: might be that someone has tried to charge a phone that doesn't support charging via the usb port, i know a lot of nokias didn't used to
[15:18] <Azelphur> I see
[15:18] <shauno> my nokia used to charge off 6v, not 5, so usb wouldn't work without a charge pump
[15:18] <Azelphur> ging the main thing I'm worried about here is can I charge it while I'm using it
[15:18] <Azelphur> because if I can't I need to cancel the order :P
[15:18] <hamitron> my nokia usb charger splits into 2, 1 end for data and other into the standard nokia power plug
[15:19] <ging> Azelphur: why wouldnt you be able to?
[15:19] <Azelphur> ging because I can only see one socket on that thing
[15:20] <ging> Azelphur: oh so you want to be able to charge the external battery up while your charging your phone off of it?
[15:21] <bigcalm> Do they charge at USB speed or mains speed?
[15:21] <Azelphur> ging exactly
[15:21] <shauno> mine won't do that; the phone charges, or the battery charges; not both together
[15:21] <Azelphur> ging only s/phone/headset with mircousb socket
[15:21] <popey> buy a UPS :D
[15:21] <Azelphur> HEADSET UPS!
[15:21] <popey> plug phone charger into that
[15:22] <Azelphur> lol
[15:22] <popey> somewhat overkill
[15:22] <Azelphur> popey: only reason I don't have an UPS is because I don't think there's anything out there short of £10k units that'd be able to hold my system up for any sane amount of time
[15:22] <popey> hah
[15:22] <shauno> that's the one problem with mine; it charges faster than the mains adaptor.  makes my phone rather warm
[15:22] <popey> the point of a UPS isnt to keep it up
[15:22] <Azelphur> hehe
[15:22] <popey> its to stop it falling over
[15:22] <popey> so you can shutdown nicely
[15:22] <ging> Azelphur: i don't really get it, you want to charge a head set off a portable power source but you need to be able to be charging that portable power source at the same time off of another power source, why do you need it at all?
[15:23] <Azelphur> popey: yea I guess
[15:23] <popey> but yeah, you could put one of your screens on it, rather than all
[15:23] <popey> to reduce the load
[15:23] <Azelphur> ging because sometimes the battery goes flat, when it does I still need to be able to use my headset.
[15:23] <popey> you need it on to provide net access?
[15:23] <shauno> I prefer not to put screens on the ups at all.  if it's setup properly, the machine should hibernate when it gets the powerfail signal from the ups.
[15:24] <popey> sure
[15:24]  * hamitron wonders how we have survived with no wireless gear for so long
[15:24] <shauno> if you leave screens connected, it encourages people to screw around with it
[15:24] <Azelphur> I see, fun
[15:24] <Azelphur> ging do you know if the trent thing can do it or not?
[15:25] <ging> Azelphur: well i'm guessing not but i still don't really understand what you are trying to do
[15:25] <Azelphur> ging extend the battery life of my headset is the end goal
[15:25] <Azelphur> by sticking a battery to it.
[15:26] <hamitron> be green and go solar
[15:26] <hamitron> :D
[15:26] <hamitron> A4 sized solar panel on top of your head
[15:26] <ging> oh so you just don't want the hassle of having to faff around switching plugs around between when you do have power and you don't ?
[15:26] <Azelphur> exactly
[15:27] <ging> i have a duel feed usb cable you could probably use something like that
[15:28] <Azelphur> I can see that the one popey linked definitely does it
[15:28] <ging> it was for my usb hard drive which draws more power than some usb ports provide so you can plug it into 2 usb ports
[15:28] <Azelphur> ging I doubt sending power in and out on a splitter cable would end well
[15:29] <shauno> I think he means taking two ports worth of power from the original powersource
[15:29] <ging> i think it would work fine, i recon they are all just hard wired together
[15:29] <Azelphur> oh
[15:29] <ali1234> derp
[15:29] <Azelphur> no I don't want 2 ports of power from the original power source
[15:29] <ali1234> power doesn't work like that
[15:29] <ging> shauno: yeah that's what it's for but i think he could use 1 to do what he want to do
[15:29] <ali1234> especially if it has a lithium battery
[15:29] <Azelphur> ali1234 indeed :P
[15:29] <ali1234> which it probably does
[15:29] <shauno> eg, usb2 is meant to be 500mA; if your headset is expecting 500mA to charge from, and the battery is expecting 500mA to charge from, you can't just have 500mA from the source
[15:30] <ali1234> the charging input draws however much current it draws
[15:30] <ali1234> if it tries to draw more than 500mA the USB port stops working
[15:30] <Azelphur> basically I want to do PC USB > Battery > Headset internal battery
[15:30] <ali1234> if it doesn't and you connect it to a 1000mA source it still will only draw 500mA
[15:30] <Azelphur> so Battery keeps headset charged
[15:31] <Azelphur> and when all the batteries run out, I can still charge it while using it with USB
[15:31] <hamitron> ali1234++
[15:31] <hamitron> although, USB 3.0 provides more power, as do some USB 2.0 ports
[15:32] <hamitron> if the device needs that power
[15:32] <ging> ali1234: i think the cable i have is for when things like laptops cannot provide the full 500mA
[15:32] <mfraz74> i did hear that there's going to be another usb standard that can provide even more power
[15:32] <MartijnVdS> the Philips one can charge laptops
[15:33] <ali1234> Azelphur: just google for usb battery pack
[15:33] <shauno> I wouldn't leave my battery tethered long-term.  it has 1.6A on the output, which tends to make things a lil toasty
[15:34] <MartijnVdS> shauno: most phones stop charging if they're >90% and too hot
[15:34] <Azelphur> ali1234 yea I just ordered one then someone pointed out to me I might not be able to charge it while it's charging the headset
[15:34] <Azelphur> which would be bad :(
[15:34] <ali1234> i doubt it
[15:34] <MartijnVdS> shauno: (to cool down a little before continuing charging)
[15:34] <Azelphur> ali1234 you think it won't be able to or it will?
[15:34] <ali1234> it will
[15:34] <Azelphur> cool
[15:34] <ali1234> that would be like "you can't use your laptop while you charge the battery"
[15:35] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: I've had one laptop like that
[15:35] <ali1234> broken, you mean?
[15:35] <Azelphur> ali1234 indeed, thing is I only see one socket on this charger
[15:35] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: no wait, that was "while you chaNge the battery"
[15:35] <MartijnVdS> as in, swap out
[15:35] <hamitron> MartijnVdS: remind me to never buy something you have ;)
[15:35] <mfraz74> Been trying out Oneiric this morning on my netbook and I notice that my network connection was 65mbps, does that mean it is using wireless 'N"
[15:35] <ali1234> Azelphur: you should have got the duracell one
[15:36] <hamitron> electronic bunnies work for longer with duracell
[15:36] <Azelphur> ali1234 I cancelled the order anyway, link?
[15:36] <Azelphur> :P
[15:41] <ali1234> Azelphur: http://www.amazon.com/Duracell-Instant-Charger-Lithium-universal/dp/B002FU6KF2/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1313768455&sr=8-1
[15:42] <shauno> hm.  irssi just exploded into a whole different character set.  not sure how to fix that :/
[15:42] <Azelphur> hamitron it's quite heavy and also only 1100mah :(
[15:43] <Azelphur> I want a bit more than that, I'm looking for 2000+
[15:43] <ali1234> buy two
[15:43] <hamitron> why highlight me? :|
[15:43] <hamitron> blame ali1234
[15:43] <hamitron> ;)
[15:45] <hamitron> tbh, I think a better thing would be a heavier usb cable to your comp, so you don't break it
[15:45] <Azelphur> ali1234 buy two for more pricey, 6x the weight and still not as good? D:
[15:45] <hamitron> batteries never last as long as cables
[15:45] <ali1234> whatever
[15:45] <Azelphur> lol
[15:45] <Azelphur> hamitron exactly why I bought a wireless headset, so I don't break the cable
[15:46] <hamitron> go to a DIY store, buy cable for an Iron, and use that
[15:46] <popey> eh
[15:47] <Azelphur> hehe :)
[15:47] <popey> you bought a wireless headset but you're goijng to plug wire into it?
[15:47] <hamitron> hooked up to your USB ofc, not the mains
[15:47] <ali1234> no buy that armoured cable for sheds
[15:47] <hamitron> ;/
[15:47] <hamitron> ali1234: yeh
[15:47] <hamitron> :)
[15:47] <Azelphur> popey: no, I'm trying to avoid plugging a wire into it for as long as possible
[15:47] <Azelphur> which is generally the goal with wireless :P
[15:47] <popey> how long does it normally last?
[15:47] <ali1234> buy a tesla coil
[15:47] <Azelphur> around 5 hours
[15:47] <ali1234> wireless electricity
[15:47] <ali1234> problem solved
[15:47] <Azelphur> ideally I'd like to bump it up to 20 or so
[15:47] <hamitron> ouuu, I may go play C&C red alert
[15:47] <Azelphur> then I can just charge it overnight, and be happy
[15:48] <popey> how much was the headset?
[15:48] <Azelphur> £70
[15:48] <popey> buy another one
[15:48] <hamitron> :D
[15:48] <Azelphur> wat o.O
[15:48] <popey> leave it plugged in
[15:48] <ali1234> that's not a bad idea actually just buy two headsets and then swap every 8 hours
[15:48] <popey> when battery dies in one you're using, swap
[15:48] <popey> yup
[15:48] <Azelphur> haha
[15:48] <Azelphur> expensive though, I won't get another one for £70
[15:48] <popey> plug both in overnight
[15:48] <popey> pffft
[15:48] <Azelphur> I only got this one because I found a guy who had it as part of a hardware bundle and didn't want it
[15:48] <Azelphur> they are usually £140
[15:49] <Azelphur> lots more expensive than a phone charger and a piece of velcro :D
[15:49] <hamitron> what was wrong with that beefy USB charger?
[15:49] <gord> i'v stopped trusting anything wireless recently, wireless is becoming another way of saying "will cut out sometimes and annoy the crap out of you"
[15:49] <Azelphur> hamitron I'm not sure if I can charge it while it's charging the headset
[15:49] <popey> reminds me, I have 6 wifi dongles, what shall I do with them? ☺
[15:49] <popey> (usb ones)
[15:49] <hamitron> Azelphur: to do so would mean plugging it in!!!!!!!!!!!!
[15:50] <Azelphur> hamitron correct
[15:50] <popey> make a portable wifi cracking unit? :D
[15:50] <Azelphur> I want the option of plugging it in when the battery is dead
[15:50] <Azelphur> rather than "haha no sound for you"
[15:50] <hamitron> Azelphur: buy a USB cable for your headset then
[15:50] <hamitron> :/
[15:50] <ali1234> wireless is dumb anyway
[15:50] <ali1234> it never works
[15:50] <Azelphur> hamitron I have one, I just want to bump the life up
[15:50] <Azelphur> :D
[15:50] <hamitron> you can charge the external battery seperately
[15:50] <Azelphur> but I don't wanna have to take it off :(
[15:50] <hamitron> then power the headset with usb
[15:51] <hamitron> then why use velcro?
[15:51] <hamitron> :|
[15:51] <ali1234> this whole idea sucks
[15:51] <Azelphur> lol
[15:51] <Azelphur> lies
[15:51] <Azelphur> only thing that's blocking is I'm not sure if I can charge while charging
[15:51] <ali1234> just buy a normal cabled headset
[15:51] <Azelphur> this whole idea is fine, don't hate my idea D:
[15:52] <hamitron> dedicated professionals use wires
[15:52] <hamitron> \o/
[15:52] <Azelphur> and this headset is great, wireless never cuts out and sound quality is really nice lol
[15:52] <Azelphur> just want to bump the life up a bit more with a little hack :)
[15:52] <popey> i bought a pair of hd212 pro headphones, and when the cable broke, got a new cable, win.
[15:52] <gord> so the problem with normal cabled headsets is that the wires get everywhere, you trip up on them, they get in the way and eventually, you snap them. so put the wire on a spring spindle or something that reels in the slack
[15:52] <gord> problem solved!
[15:53] <hamitron> or hook it from the ceiling
[15:53] <hamitron> :D
[15:53] <MartijnVdS> Or just stop moving around while you're wearing them
[15:53] <popey> loop it round your neck to take up the slack
[15:53] <hamitron> yeh, Azelphur: you will never perfect them dance moves anyway
[15:53] <popey> he has 24 screens, he can't not move
[15:54] <hamitron> hehe
[15:54] <hamitron> that is actually true
[15:54] <hamitron> :/
[15:55] <Azelphur> sent a question to tecknet asking if I can do it
[15:55] <Azelphur> :D
[15:55] <MartijnVdS> ooh, multiarch on oneiric
[15:55] <MartijnVdS> I can now install package:i386 and it works
[15:56] <hamitron> multiarch?
[15:56] <MartijnVdS> hamitron: I can install i386 packages on amd64.. apparently it's called that
[15:56] <hamitron> oh
[15:56] <hamitron> so oneiric still needs an i686
[15:56] <hamitron> :/
[15:56] <MartijnVdS> no
[15:57] <hamitron> no?
[15:57] <MartijnVdS> well yes
[15:57] <MartijnVdS> but the packages are called "i386"
[15:57] <Myrtti> AFAIK multiarch doesn't mean that you can install i386 packages on amd64
[15:57] <Myrtti> it means that the multiarch package contains versions for both i386 and amd64
[15:57] <hamitron> MartijnVdS: stupid people labelling stuff wrong
[15:57] <hamitron> :/
[15:57] <MartijnVdS> Myrtti: I just did.. apt-get install libcurl-gnutls:i386 -> it installed, and flash started working again
[15:57] <Myrtti> correct me if I am (probably) wrong
[15:58] <MartijnVdS> Myrtti: there are 2 debs, and they're installed side-by-side
[15:58] <hamitron> slackware labels stuff i486 for i486, ubuntu and centos label i686 as i386
[15:58] <hamitron> :/
[15:58] <Myrtti> what a wonderfully messed up way of doing things
[15:58] <Myrtti> oh well
[15:58] <MartijnVdS> Myrtti: with the same package name, so with dpkg -L you need to include the architecture (or it'll show only the contents of the "amd64" version)
[16:30] <Laney> why is that messed up?
[16:30] <ali1234> there is no such thing as i585
[16:31] <ali1234> i mean i686
[16:32] <ali1234> oh and btw Myrtti you are completely wrong
[16:32] <MartijnVdS> the old was was more messed-up
[16:32] <ali1234> the old way was to put i386 versions of every library ever made in ia32-libs
[16:33] <ali1234> creating a package with several gigabytes of source that just duplicates a bunch of stuff that already exists
[16:33] <ali1234> the new way is you just install the i386 package that already exists
[16:33] <ali1234> for only the libs you need
[16:34] <kazade> more info: http://wiki.debian.org/Multiarch :)
[16:34] <ali1234> that webpage actually has less info than i've just given
[16:34] <HazRPG> ali1234: heh, nice one with the video dude :)
[16:35] <HazRPG> just spotted that email for the bug
[16:35] <ali1234> i had to watch an hour long video of the guy explaining it to determine what multiarch actually is, because that wiki page is so useless
[16:35] <Myrtti> ali1234: hardly completely wrong, there's plenty of things that I know I'm right about... just to nitpick
[16:35] <Myrtti> ali1234: but this time, perhaps on this subject, yes
[17:11] <judgey> I changed my named server and when i whois it its pointing at the new ns but when i load it up in firefox its stil going to the old server
[17:25] <StevenR> judgey: can you be more precise as to what you changed?
[17:26] <judgey> i moving servers, i changed the named servers for my domain to goto the new server that was about 20 hours ago and its saying in "whois my domian" that the new named servers are listed but its still going to my old server when i go on firfox
[17:27] <bigcalm> judgey: dig @your.isps.name.server your.domain.name
[17:27] <bigcalm> Your ISP might have a horrible cache time on the record
[17:28] <judgey> if i give u the domain could see if u can see it?
[17:28] <judgey> host2k10.info
[17:28] <bigcalm> Sure
[17:28] <judgey> should say "it works"
[17:28] <bigcalm> 91.121.81.217 is the IP I get from host
[17:29] <judgey> thats the old one
[17:29] <judgey> :|
[17:29] <bigcalm> http://paste.ubuntu.com/670248/
[17:29] <bigcalm> That's what I see in the browser
[17:29] <judgey> yer thats the old server
[17:29] <judgey> just keep waiting?
[17:30] <bigcalm> whois host2k10.info
[17:30] <bigcalm> Tells me
[17:30] <bigcalm> Name Server:NS.KIMSUFI.COM
[17:30] <bigcalm> Name Server:KS384479.KIMSUFI.COM
[17:30] <judgey> thats the new
[17:30] <judgey> server
[17:30] <bigcalm> http://paste.ubuntu.com/670249/
[17:31] <bigcalm> Is what I get from dig
[17:31] <bigcalm> So the nameserver is pointing at the old IP address
[17:31] <judgey> but if u goto KS384479.KIMSUFI.COM
[17:31] <judgey> its the new server
[17:34] <bigcalm> There's no reference to 46.105.123.125 in the dns record
[17:35] <judgey> would should i do bigcalm
[17:35] <bigcalm> You need to change the A record from 91.121.81.217 to 46.105.123.125
[17:36] <bigcalm> And, unless the new server really is the 2nd nameserver, remove it from the name server list
[17:38] <judgey> i thought it was meant to be 1st
[17:38] <bigcalm> Who hosts the DNS record?
[17:39] <judgey> ovh
[17:39] <judgey> i changed it anyhow
[17:39] <judgey> Nameserver 1: NS.KIMSUFI.COM
[17:40] <judgey> Nameserver 2 : KS384479.KIMSUFI.COM
[17:40] <bigcalm> OVH should have told you what IP addresses or host names to use for 1st, 2nd (and possibly 3rd, 4th) name servers within the domain registry record.
[17:41] <judgey> yer the 2 above
[17:41] <bigcalm> You would then alter the DNS record on OVH's server to point host2k10.info at 46.105.123.125 as an 'A' record
[17:42] <judgey> oky i shalll play thx for heads up :)
[17:42] <bigcalm> Have fun
[17:42] <judgey> heh
[17:42] <bigcalm> The TTL is set for 24 hours, so you might be waiting a while again :(
[17:43] <judgey> omg omg lol no probs ill play with somthing eles then
[17:45] <bigcalm> If you can lower the TTL for your DNS records (14400 for example is 4 hours), then you will have less of a wait the next time you need to make a change
[17:46] <judgey> done
[17:47] <judgey> waiting game now
[17:50] <paulmellors> hi all its moodily testing androirc on the phone
[17:50] <paulmellors> PAH moodoo
[17:53]  * bigcalm pats MooDooily
[19:41] <jamesanslow> Has the ubuntu update server issue been resolved?
[19:46] <gord> sure is fun when you get an error, that after googling just leads to a bunch of empty threads of people asking for help
[19:53] <gord> so... i found the issue i was having
[19:54] <gord> turns out there was a tiiiny bit of metal jammed in to the sata port =\
[19:54] <gord> frankly i amazed it was running at all
[19:54] <MartijnVdS> gord: ouch
[19:55] <gord> still, good advertisement for linux "it runs even when its full of shrapnel"
[19:58] <gord> must make note, yell at Ng, alt+up/down is broken in terminator :(
[19:58] <gord> workflow *destroyed*
[19:59] <MartijnVdS> what does alt-up/down do?
[19:59] <gord> moves up/down a terminal
[19:59] <gord> so if you have two split, stacked on top of each other, you can navigate between them
[19:59] <gord> instead of clicking
[20:00] <MartijnVdS> useful
[20:24] <diplo> Evening all
[20:24] <MartijnVdS> \o diplo
[20:47] <HazRPG> probably outside of the scope of this channel... but am I right in thinking that 16bit flac files, are equal to (if not exactly) the same as a CD file... and 24bit flac is essentially only available from the studio that's doing the recording
[20:48] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: Studios, or some artists offer them on their site
[20:48] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: I've had a 24-bit flac download free with an LP once
[20:49] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: also, DVD-Audio is 24-bit (but lossy).. lossless BD-Audio is also 24-bit
[20:49] <MartijnVdS> it's not useful to encode CD audio as anything >44100/2ch/16bit, as that's how it's encoded on the disc :)
[20:50] <ali1234> stupid nokia
[20:50] <ali1234> not only do they want me to sign up for ovi before i can update
[20:50] <ali1234> they also refuse to update a phone without a sim in it
[20:50] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: indeed... I was just looking into it, because I noticed that FLAC in banshee only has one profile for it
[20:51] <HazRPG> but it makes sense, and I'm guessing Banshee just rips at full CD available quality
[20:51] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: DVD-Audio and BD-Audio ripping isn't available in Linux, afaik
[20:52] <HazRPG> I think I saw some experimental methods back when I was looking into PS3 hacks, but not sure if anything ever came of them or not
[20:54] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: you have to rip the special DVD-Audio track though, not the "normal" DVD-video-with-audio one
[20:55] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: (DVD-Audio is special like that)
[20:56] <HazRPG> DVD-Audio also never really took off as much as CD's have ^_^
[20:56] <MartijnVdS> no, because they mostly released concerts
[20:56] <HazRPG> I've only ever seen one DVD-Audio disc in the music shop here
[20:56] <MartijnVdS> I have several concerts on DVD-Audio, but I can't play the DVD-A part
[20:56] <HazRPG> and even then it was literally a batch of 10 that they had... and when I went back the next day, they were sold out, and weren't planning on getting anymore
[20:56] <MartijnVdS> only the video track (with the same concert, but with video)
[20:57] <MartijnVdS> But I want 7.1 surround studio albums! :)
[20:57] <HazRPG> Me too :)
[20:57] <MartijnVdS> Imagine minimal techno with surround
[20:57] <HazRPG> or at least 5.1 (cos that's what my current gear is)
[20:57] <MartijnVdS> 5.1 is good enough, yes
[20:57] <HazRPG> :)
[20:58] <HazRPG> always feels a shame that the only time I get to fully utilise my 5.1 is with either movies... or games with 5.1 enabled for their sound
[20:58] <HazRPG> oh wait no!
[20:58] <HazRPG> I recall one version of winamp that started getting 5.1 support, and it came with 2 free 5.1 tracks!
[20:59] <HazRPG> one of them was "winamp, winamp, winamp, it really whips the llamas ass... from every direction!"
[20:59] <HazRPG> the other was some unknown artist
[21:00] <MartijnVdS> heh
[21:02] <HazRPG> indeed
[21:08] <MartijnVdS> I have a concert on bluray as well
[21:08] <MartijnVdS> quality = ++++
[21:08] <HazRPG> I can imagine :)
[21:08] <HazRPG> exit
[21:09] <HazRPG> bah, wrong box ^_^
[21:09] <HazRPG> that was meant for the ssh terminal ^_^
[21:09] <MartijnVdS> use Ctrl+D :)
[21:09] <MartijnVdS> won't show up on IRC if you do it in the wrong one
[21:09] <HazRPG> heh, cool :)
[21:09] <MartijnVdS> Ctrl+D = End of File
[21:10] <MartijnVdS> so the terminal process thinks you've closed the window
[21:10] <HazRPG> nice
[21:11] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: btw, I bought a car
[21:11] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: Awesome :)
[21:11] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: What kind?
[21:11] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: https://s-hphotos-ash4.fbcdn.net/287415_10150281316132311_736907310_7371588_5467837_o.jpg
[21:12] <MartijnVdS> (hope htat works)
[21:14] <HazRPG> cute :P
[21:14] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: didn't realise you had a licence
[21:15] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: had one for 10 years, never owned a car before :)
[21:16] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: this one is currently my sister's
[21:17] <HazRPG> I suppose if you've never had a need for a car, makes sense :)
[21:18] <HazRPG> does that mean you'll be driving to the UK next time :P?
[21:18] <MartijnVdS> I might be tempted to take a boat
[21:18] <HazRPG> :P
[21:19] <MartijnVdS> Allows me to go to someplace other than London more easily
[21:19] <HazRPG> true true
[21:19] <MartijnVdS> (yes trains exist I know)
[21:19] <HazRPG> :P
[21:19] <gord> trains exist? *mind blown*
[21:19] <HazRPG> was an unintentional pun, but yeah :)
[21:20] <MartijnVdS> gord: They think, therefore they are.
[21:20] <HazRPG> gord: technically, everything exists... just depends on the timeline ;)
[21:21] <HazRPG> on a different timeline, teleportation might exist!
[21:21] <HazRPG> or better yet, portals \o/
[21:21]  * MartijnVdS gets in his TARDIS
[21:22] <MartijnVdS> \o/ next week (apparently)
[21:22] <HazRPG> :P
[21:25] <diplo> God awful cars MartijnVdS :(
[21:25] <diplo> Is it a freebie ?
[21:26] <MartijnVdS> diplo: no, but it's cheap
[21:26] <MartijnVdS> diplo: also, I like it
[21:26] <MartijnVdS> diplo: so meh
[21:26] <diplo> heh
[21:27] <MartijnVdS> diplo: what's the "normal" fuel efficiency unit in the UK?
[21:27] <MartijnVdS> diplo: not kilometers per liter, I guess
[21:27] <diplo> MPG
[21:27] <MartijnVdS> (or l/100KM)
[21:27] <diplo> Miles per gallon
[21:28] <MartijnVdS> 56.5 mpg (Imperial), or 47.0 mpg (US)
[21:28] <MartijnVdS> 20l/100km
[21:28] <MartijnVdS> I like that bit
[21:29] <MartijnVdS> according to google, that is
[21:29] <diplo> heh
[21:29] <MartijnVdS> wait
[21:30] <diplo> I never trust mpg's till i use the car
[21:30] <diplo> Also down to how you drive it
[21:30] <MartijnVdS> diplo: I trust my sister :)
[21:30] <diplo> ah so the results are your sister, just the conversion
[21:30] <MartijnVdS> yes
[21:31] <diplo> :)
[21:31] <diplo> Max I can get from my car is 42/43mpg
[21:32] <MartijnVdS> What kind of car?
[21:32] <diplo> And that really is max
[21:32] <diplo> Vauxhall Zafira
[21:32] <diplo> Ex wife wanted it
[21:32] <diplo> Wanted an Audi A4
[21:33] <MartijnVdS> Zafira isn't bad
[21:33] <MartijnVdS> my dad has a Meriva
[21:33] <diplo> Thats the smaller one isn't it
[21:34] <MartijnVdS> it is
[21:34] <MartijnVdS> but it's VERY nice to drive
[21:34] <MartijnVdS> compared to his old Citroen Xsara Picasso
[21:34] <diplo> Dont get me wrong nice car, but im single now :(
[21:34] <diplo> Need to do the man thing and get myself something sporty :D
[21:34] <diplo> Not that I can afford it!
[21:36] <MartijnVdS> diplo: not even with trade-in?
[21:38] <diplo> Me and ex took a loan to get the car, loan still 4k+ and car now only worth 3k+
[21:38] <diplo> :/
[21:56] <bernhard2> Is there a web based administrator for exim4 or dovecot ??
[21:57] <MartijnVdS> bernhard2: not easily, I think