[01:04] <crashsystems1> The street is blocked off? So no meetup in mountain view then?
[01:08] <pleia2> crashsystems1: according to the mailing list they are rescheduling it due to the street fair (which I assume is what caused the street closure?)
[01:08] <pleia2> and nothing in the loco directory for tonight
[01:08] <crashsystems1> :/
[01:08] <akk> I assumed it wasn't on since I hadn't seen any followup. It's certainly hard to get around, or park, during those street fairs.
[03:08] <regularjo> When I reconnect, I didn't see the entry "regularjo has jointed etc" Am I here
[03:10] <akk> It doesn't show that to you, just to everyone else.
[03:12] <regularjo> ok
[04:04] <pleia2> updated https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Projects/Picnix20 - other stuff we need? I went through the notes from last year
[04:04]  * pleia2 heads out to dinner for real now
[04:13] <philipballew> DarkwingDuck, how goes it :)
[04:20] <DarkwingDuck> philipballew: it goes
[04:21] <philipballew> no worries. :)
[04:21] <DarkwingDuck> Working with my server ATM
[04:21] <DarkwingDuck> trying to get a local oneiric repository.
[04:21] <philipballew> how hard is that? ive never done that
[04:22] <DarkwingDuck> Dunno. My server is being a PITA
[04:22]  * DarkwingDuck sighs
[04:22] <philipballew> how so is it?
[04:23] <DarkwingDuck> Maverick will work. Natty and Oneiric will not load at all.
[04:23] <DarkwingDuck> It gets to GRUB then, Blank
[04:23] <DarkwingDuck> on oneiric
[04:23] <rww> So how do I get myself added to this Ubuntu California planet thing?
[04:23] <DarkwingDuck> On Natty it errors out with noaveu (sp?)
[04:23] <philipballew> DarkwingDuck, even recovery mode?
[04:23] <philipballew> odd
[04:24] <DarkwingDuck> Yup
[04:24] <DarkwingDuck> Lets see how Oneiric handles recovery
[04:25] <DarkwingDuck> GARRRG
[04:25] <rww> I take it that means "badly"
[04:25] <rww> or "zombies interrupted the experiment"
[04:26] <rww> or "I got distracted and started reading the 'sounder' archive and now I am unable to form sentences"
[04:26] <grantbow> lol
[04:26] <DarkwingDuck> No, it failed the first time, worked going into recovery the second time.
[04:27] <DarkwingDuck> running dpkg
[04:29]  * DarkwingDuck wonders
[04:30] <DarkwingDuck> curses
[04:32] <DarkwingDuck> Okay, this is effing wierd.
[04:32] <DarkwingDuck> *Weird
[04:33] <philipballew> would a different version of grub be to blame?
[04:33] <DarkwingDuck> Get this...
[04:33] <DarkwingDuck> I let it boot it wont load.
[04:33] <DarkwingDuck> If I boot into recovery, then tell it to resume normal booting it works.
[04:34] <philipballew> ive seen that problem before
[04:35] <philipballew> i booted into resume normal boot then updated my machine then it was fine
[05:01] <philipballew> bkerensa, i liked your answer on http://askubuntu.com/questions/56963/what-are-the-ethics-of-having-a-company-sponsor-a-loco-team-event
[05:01] <bkerensa> yeah?
[05:02] <bkerensa> philipballew: Well its how I feel
[05:04] <DarkwingDuck> Got an error now...
[05:08] <philipballew> what error DarkwingDuck
[05:08] <DarkwingDuck> /lib/udev/input_id errors.
[05:09] <philipballew> seems odd myself
[05:09] <philipballew> this is ubuntu server?
[05:10] <philipballew> i think you said that before
[05:12] <philipballew> bkerensa, and it seems like a good thought out answer. really respectful to
[05:14] <DarkwingDuck> yup
[05:15] <philipballew> did the server channel help at all?
[05:17] <DarkwingDuck> Not at this hour.
[05:17] <DarkwingDuck> I'm hitting the sack then i'll work on it tomorrow.
[05:17] <philipballew> good luck!
[05:18] <DarkwingDuck> Apparently someone is going to send me a Droid DX2 to se if I can hack the bootloader.
[05:18] <philipballew> wow. what are you gonnna do when you hack it?
[05:19] <DarkwingDuck> custom kernels, ROMs and ASOP Android
[05:19] <DarkwingDuck> Prolly overclock it
[05:19] <philipballew> nice!
[05:19] <philipballew> i need to buy an android sometime
[05:19] <DarkwingDuck> Getting a Charge next week.
[05:20] <philipballew> for?
[05:20] <DarkwingDuck> 10 bucks
[05:21] <DarkwingDuck> Droid Charge
[05:21] <philipballew> why?
[05:24] <DarkwingDuck> Because I know a guy who works for Samsung
[06:41] <aaditya> Wiki is not allowing me to login. :'(
[06:41] <pleia2> :(
[06:41] <pleia2> getting an error, or just slow?
[06:41] <aaditya> slow enough to timeout.
[06:42] <aaditya> Ohey, it went through after about 50 seconds of waiting.
[06:42] <pleia2> yeah, it does that sometimes
[06:42] <rww> pleia2: oh, hey, you're still awake. How do I add myself to Planet Ubuntu California?
[06:44] <pleia2> rww: jtatum put the config in bzr, lemme see...
[06:45] <pleia2> ok, so you can grab https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-california-website/ubuntu-california-website/planet-configuration and do an MP with your change, or just tell me your rss feed and name and I'll pop it in :)
[06:45] <rww> I haven't done an MP in a while, I'll go do that to make sure I still remember how.
[06:46] <pleia2> it's easy, and just assign it to lyz as reviewer or whatever
[06:46] <pleia2> (I forget the exact term)
[06:46] <pleia2> now I just need to figure out where to do the pull
[06:50] <pleia2> there we go
[06:52] <rww> okay, I think I did that right
[06:54] <pleia2> slow lp
[07:02]  * pleia2 frowns at launchpad
[07:03] <philipballew> why pleia2?
[07:03] <pleia2> I fail at bzr
[07:03] <pleia2> or it's just being slow
[07:04] <philipballew> maybe your internet is slow? bzr has always confused me. seems like an odd system. launchpad as a whole is kinda odd
[07:04] <pleia2> nah, it's just taking time for changes to show up in the web interface
[07:05] <pleia2> in general bzr is not all that odd for a revision control system
[07:05] <philipballew> did ubuntu design it or was is used before?
[07:05]  * philipballew only used it with launchpad himself
[07:06] <pleia2> canonical built launchpad
[07:06] <philipballew> Its true. for a while it was even closed source
[07:17] <pleia2> rww: ran venus manually, your blog shows up in the list now :)
[07:18] <pleia2> the europeans are waking up, sleepiestime now
[07:22] <rww> pleia2: thanks :)
[07:28] <rww> pleia2: alrighty, I queued a post up for the Planets. If planet.ubuntu and planet.ubuntu-california catch on fire on Sunday, you know who to blame :)
[14:07] <seidos> morn
[14:47] <bkerensa> morn
[14:52] <jledbetter> good morning seidos
[16:33] <bsmartt`> goodmorning everyone! First timer here, I've recently begun learning how to join the bugsquad, and I am also interested in getting involved in the CA loco.  I see there is a picnic in sunnyvale August 18th which I look forward to attending.  Can someone tell me a little more about getting involved?
[16:38] <pleia2> welcome bsmartt`
[16:38] <bsmartt`> thanks pleia2 :-)
[16:38] <pleia2> the picnic in sunnyvale is august 27th
[16:38] <pleia2> are you subscribed to our mailing list?
[16:38] <bsmartt`> Ok, so the meeting in the motd is something different?
[16:39] <akk> Most planning happens here on the channel, and a little on the mailing list.
[16:39] <pleia2> hanging out here and being on the mailing list are your best ways to stay informed so you can help with projects and events as they come along
[16:39] <pleia2> bsmartt`: where?
[16:40] <akk> bsmartt`: Meetings happen here on the channel.
[16:40] <pleia2> (if we have the date wrong somewhere we should fix it, the 18th was yesterday)
[16:40] <bsmartt`> the message of the day? maybe thats not the right thing to call it.  it's in the channel title
[16:41] <bsmartt`> Topic is "Welcome to the Ubuntu California Local Community (LoCo) Team! | Webpage: http://ubuntu-california.org (has links  to mailing list, forum, and more!) | Next Meeting: Sunday, August 28th, 7:00pm PDT
[16:41] <akk> In the topic it says Sun Aug 28
[16:41] <pleia2> ah, the picnic is on the 27th, our next meeting here is on the 28th
[16:41] <pleia2> picnic details: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Projects/Picnix20
[16:42] <bsmartt`> great, I'll see you guys there!
[16:42] <pleia2> cool :)
[16:42] <pleia2> the wiki page has a list of things we still need, if you're able to add to that list or think of other things you can bring please do
[16:43] <bsmartt`> I'll try to bring something, I'll see if I can find orange table cloths :-)
[16:43] <pleia2> last time we just got them at a dollar store
[16:43] <pleia2> they only lasted for a couple events though, we end up taping them down so they don't blow away and they don't often survive the tape removal process :)
[16:44] <bsmartt`> cool I need to stop by dollar tree anyway, I'll see if I can find some there.
[16:47] <akk> They looked very festive, though -- the Ubuntu table was by far the best-looking table there. :)
[16:58] <bsmartt`> great, I RSVPed for picnix.  I'll confirm in here when I get the orange tablecloths so you can scratch it off your list.
[17:01] <pleia2> bsmartt`: is there any way you could get to the picnic a little early, say 10:30? tablecloths are a prerequisite for setting up the whole table so the tablecloth person has to be there first :)
[17:01] <bsmartt`> I plan to be there at 10:00am to help in whatever way possible setting up.  As well as cleanup.
[17:02] <pleia2> great!
[17:02] <bsmartt`> :)
[17:02]  * pleia2 has to drag her fiance and a visiting friend out of bed that morning, 10:30AM is hard
[17:03] <pleia2> we managed to do it last year though
[17:07] <bsmartt`> Why, I would imagine everyone is enthusiastic about waking up early on saturday to help set up a linux picnic. ;) </sarcasm>
[17:41] <rww> I wish I could go this year. It was fun last time I went :)
[17:42] <grantbow> bsmartt: thanks for showing up early. We know we need some help registering people during the initial rush.
[17:43] <akk> Me too -- it's a great event, and I wish I didn't have to be out of town.
[17:50] <jtatum> pleia2: might want to make sure the one in bzr matches the one on the server before merging rww's changes :)
[17:50] <pleia2> jtatum: I did the MP on the server, everything is the same
[17:51] <jtatum> ok good deal
[18:30] <nhaines> Morning, jono!
[18:46] <yantrashilpi> morning all.
[18:50] <grantbow> morning
[19:09] <yantrashilpi> how's it going grantbow?
[21:46] <rww> ugh, Windows is annoying me again. Maybe I should get rid of it and use lab computers for coursework
[21:46] <pleia2> +1
[21:52] <philipballew> what do you gotta do on windows? rww
[21:58] <rww> philipballew: I haven't started yet, so iono, but I got a strong impression that they expected people to be using Windows (except for the UNIX class I'm taking, obviously)
[21:59] <rww> (well, they call it UNIX. I'm betting money it's Linux :)
[22:02] <jyo> Might be some ancient Sun server.
[22:27] <sn9> watch it be HP-UX
[22:30] <philipballew> a friend here bought a hp-ux laptop the other day for 10 bucks. its in this really nice rugid case sn9
[22:30] <sn9> linux it
[22:31] <philipballew> any distro recommendations?
[22:31] <rww> "really nice rugged case" here means "it's so heavy I can't pick it up so it can't be dropped"
[22:31] <rww> philipballew: Debian
[22:31] <sn9> gentoo and debian are the only ones with installers afaik
[22:32] <philipballew> debian is somewhat more stable then gentoo usually
[22:34] <rww> (you want either the hppa or ia64 ports, depending on what processor's in it)
[22:35] <rww> (and if it's hppa, that port didn't make squeeze)
[22:35] <sn9> :(
[22:35] <sn9> gentoo is the only hppa distro now? :(
[22:35] <philipballew> rww, his plan is to get x running and take it to class with him. figures the reaction will be worth it in his opinion. hp-ux seems like it was a good system
[22:36] <philipballew> sn9, everything seems to be coming down to just a few these days. :(
[22:37] <akk> I didn't know there ever were laptops with HP-UX.
[22:37] <sn9> nor did i
[22:38] <philipballew> it was at the good will for 10 bucks.
[22:38] <rww> allegedly OpenBSD and NetBSD are ported to it too
[22:38] <philipballew> uname - whatever letter it is said hp-ux
[22:38] <rww> and NEXTSTEP, but... NEXTSTEP.
[22:38] <akk> that's pretty cool, philipballew
[22:39] <philipballew> there is a hp plant near me. i figure that is where it came from akgraner`
[22:39] <philipballew> akk
[22:39] <philipballew> stupid x-chat!
[22:40] <philipballew> whats nextstep rww
[22:40] <rww> philipballew: a closed-source operating system from the '90s
[22:41] <philipballew> i get the feeling it didnt last
[22:41] <nhaines> Well, there's still OS X.
[22:42] <philipballew> osx is darwin though nhaines
[22:43] <akk> It took some of its UI and other code from nextstep.
[22:43] <akk> Though the UI ended up looking very different.
[22:43] <philipballew> ahh, damn apple
[22:43] <akk> Next was Steve Jobs' company.
[22:44] <akk> He brought a lot of Next people along when Apple took him back.
[22:44] <philipballew> akk, do you see apple as being on the rise still or on the decline?
[22:44] <akk> That's what he was doing while he wasn't at Apple.
[22:45] <philipballew> they've stoped pushing the ipod as strongly and thats what got them out there.
[22:45] <philipballew> akk, he also did pixar
[22:45] <akk> Rising now, but I think it will plummet when Jobs' health forces him to retire. And then after that, I have no prediction on whether it will recover or not.
[22:45] <akk> d thinks it will, I'm less convinced.
[22:46] <philipballew> at the college i go to macs are like 40 percent of laptops
[22:53] <rww> at open source conventions, macs are like 60 percent of laptops
[22:53] <rww> i find it mildly amusing
[22:55] <philipballew> rww, wonder if they're duel booting?
[22:55] <philipballew> what do you run?
[22:56] <rww> which distro, you mean?
[22:56] <jyo> I'm in the old NexT plant right now.
[22:56] <rww> Debian, unless I get bored and put Ubuntu or Fedora or Arch or HaikuOS, or...
[23:00] <philipballew> nice! i have ubuntu now, but also debian. I ment laptop rww though
[23:00] <rww> oh. I have a Dell Mini 10v, it works for when I need something portable
[23:01] <rww> not a huge fan of laptops, they don't last long enough
[23:01] <philipballew> nice. im thinking i need to look onto a netbook.
[23:01]  * philipballew wonders if their designed to not last long
[23:01] <akk> Agreed, rww, there are a huge number of macs at opensource confs. Though fewer than there used to be.
[23:02] <rww> I get the impression most mass-produced computers don't last long these days. It's a bit harder to build your own laptop than your own desktop, though ;)
[23:02] <akk> More people are actually using linux laptops now.
[23:02] <rww> netbook is cheaper than laptop => I don't care as much when it inevitably breaks
[23:02] <philipballew> zareason is nice
[23:03] <akk> netbooks are great but intel's silly prohibitions on resolution for atom-based machines makes them not useful to me.
[23:03] <rww> yeah, 1024x600 takes some getting used to
[23:03] <akk> Wish they'd drop that and let people build intel-based 1366x768 netbooks.
[23:03] <philipballew> what exactly does intel do thats bad?
[23:04] <akk> zareason somehow gets around this but no one else does (and I can't deal with the keyboard on the zareason one).
[23:06] <philipballew> i have a laptop with i5. it is okay. but the 15 inch screen is hard to take to class everyday
[23:06] <rww> yeah, the other reason for the netbook is that I can take it places easier
[23:07] <akk> 15" laptops are way too heavy for my taste -- they make me not want to carry it around very long.
[23:07] <philipballew> i this summer rode my bike 5 miles a day with in strapped to my bike
[23:08] <akk> I love my 11.1" but I don't think anybody makes that size any more.
[23:08] <philipballew> the ubuntu pre installed asus's might be cool
[23:09] <philipballew> but i usually go dell for laptops