[01:04] The street is blocked off? So no meetup in mountain view then? [01:08] crashsystems1: according to the mailing list they are rescheduling it due to the street fair (which I assume is what caused the street closure?) [01:08] and nothing in the loco directory for tonight [01:08] :/ [01:08] I assumed it wasn't on since I hadn't seen any followup. It's certainly hard to get around, or park, during those street fairs. [03:08] When I reconnect, I didn't see the entry "regularjo has jointed etc" Am I here [03:10] It doesn't show that to you, just to everyone else. [03:12] ok [04:04] updated https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Projects/Picnix20 - other stuff we need? I went through the notes from last year [04:04] * pleia2 heads out to dinner for real now [04:13] DarkwingDuck, how goes it :) [04:20] philipballew: it goes [04:21] no worries. :) [04:21] Working with my server ATM [04:21] trying to get a local oneiric repository. [04:21] how hard is that? ive never done that [04:22] Dunno. My server is being a PITA [04:22] * DarkwingDuck sighs [04:22] how so is it? [04:23] Maverick will work. Natty and Oneiric will not load at all. [04:23] It gets to GRUB then, Blank [04:23] on oneiric [04:23] So how do I get myself added to this Ubuntu California planet thing? [04:23] On Natty it errors out with noaveu (sp?) [04:23] DarkwingDuck, even recovery mode? [04:23] odd [04:24] Yup [04:24] Lets see how Oneiric handles recovery [04:25] GARRRG [04:25] I take it that means "badly" [04:25] or "zombies interrupted the experiment" [04:26] or "I got distracted and started reading the 'sounder' archive and now I am unable to form sentences" [04:26] lol [04:26] No, it failed the first time, worked going into recovery the second time. [04:27] running dpkg [04:29] * DarkwingDuck wonders [04:30] curses [04:32] Okay, this is effing wierd. [04:32] *Weird [04:33] would a different version of grub be to blame? [04:33] Get this... [04:33] I let it boot it wont load. [04:33] If I boot into recovery, then tell it to resume normal booting it works. [04:34] ive seen that problem before [04:35] i booted into resume normal boot then updated my machine then it was fine [05:01] bkerensa, i liked your answer on http://askubuntu.com/questions/56963/what-are-the-ethics-of-having-a-company-sponsor-a-loco-team-event [05:01] yeah? [05:02] philipballew: Well its how I feel [05:04] Got an error now... [05:08] what error DarkwingDuck [05:08] /lib/udev/input_id errors. [05:09] seems odd myself [05:09] this is ubuntu server? [05:10] i think you said that before [05:12] bkerensa, and it seems like a good thought out answer. really respectful to [05:14] yup [05:15] did the server channel help at all? [05:17] Not at this hour. [05:17] I'm hitting the sack then i'll work on it tomorrow. [05:17] good luck! [05:18] Apparently someone is going to send me a Droid DX2 to se if I can hack the bootloader. [05:18] wow. what are you gonnna do when you hack it? [05:19] custom kernels, ROMs and ASOP Android [05:19] Prolly overclock it [05:19] nice! [05:19] i need to buy an android sometime [05:19] Getting a Charge next week. [05:20] for? [05:20] 10 bucks [05:21] Droid Charge [05:21] why? [05:24] Because I know a guy who works for Samsung [06:41] Wiki is not allowing me to login. :'( [06:41] :( [06:41] getting an error, or just slow? [06:41] slow enough to timeout. [06:42] Ohey, it went through after about 50 seconds of waiting. [06:42] yeah, it does that sometimes [06:42] pleia2: oh, hey, you're still awake. How do I add myself to Planet Ubuntu California? [06:44] rww: jtatum put the config in bzr, lemme see... [06:45] ok, so you can grab https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-california-website/ubuntu-california-website/planet-configuration and do an MP with your change, or just tell me your rss feed and name and I'll pop it in :) [06:45] I haven't done an MP in a while, I'll go do that to make sure I still remember how. [06:46] it's easy, and just assign it to lyz as reviewer or whatever [06:46] (I forget the exact term) [06:46] now I just need to figure out where to do the pull [06:50] there we go [06:52] okay, I think I did that right [06:54] slow lp [07:02] * pleia2 frowns at launchpad [07:03] why pleia2? [07:03] I fail at bzr [07:03] or it's just being slow [07:04] maybe your internet is slow? bzr has always confused me. seems like an odd system. launchpad as a whole is kinda odd [07:04] nah, it's just taking time for changes to show up in the web interface [07:05] in general bzr is not all that odd for a revision control system [07:05] did ubuntu design it or was is used before? [07:05] * philipballew only used it with launchpad himself [07:06] canonical built launchpad [07:06] Its true. for a while it was even closed source [07:17] rww: ran venus manually, your blog shows up in the list now :) [07:18] the europeans are waking up, sleepiestime now [07:22] pleia2: thanks :) [07:28] pleia2: alrighty, I queued a post up for the Planets. If planet.ubuntu and planet.ubuntu-california catch on fire on Sunday, you know who to blame :) [14:07] morn [14:47] morn [14:52] good morning seidos [16:33] goodmorning everyone! First timer here, I've recently begun learning how to join the bugsquad, and I am also interested in getting involved in the CA loco. I see there is a picnic in sunnyvale August 18th which I look forward to attending. Can someone tell me a little more about getting involved? [16:38] welcome bsmartt` [16:38] thanks pleia2 :-) [16:38] the picnic in sunnyvale is august 27th [16:38] are you subscribed to our mailing list? [16:38] Ok, so the meeting in the motd is something different? [16:39] Most planning happens here on the channel, and a little on the mailing list. [16:39] hanging out here and being on the mailing list are your best ways to stay informed so you can help with projects and events as they come along [16:39] bsmartt`: where? [16:40] bsmartt`: Meetings happen here on the channel. [16:40] (if we have the date wrong somewhere we should fix it, the 18th was yesterday) [16:40] the message of the day? maybe thats not the right thing to call it. it's in the channel title [16:41] Topic is "Welcome to the Ubuntu California Local Community (LoCo) Team! | Webpage: http://ubuntu-california.org (has links to mailing list, forum, and more!) | Next Meeting: Sunday, August 28th, 7:00pm PDT [16:41] In the topic it says Sun Aug 28 [16:41] ah, the picnic is on the 27th, our next meeting here is on the 28th [16:41] picnic details: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Projects/Picnix20 [16:42] great, I'll see you guys there! [16:42] cool :) [16:42] the wiki page has a list of things we still need, if you're able to add to that list or think of other things you can bring please do [16:43] I'll try to bring something, I'll see if I can find orange table cloths :-) [16:43] last time we just got them at a dollar store [16:43] they only lasted for a couple events though, we end up taping them down so they don't blow away and they don't often survive the tape removal process :) [16:44] cool I need to stop by dollar tree anyway, I'll see if I can find some there. [16:47] They looked very festive, though -- the Ubuntu table was by far the best-looking table there. :) [16:58] great, I RSVPed for picnix. I'll confirm in here when I get the orange tablecloths so you can scratch it off your list. [17:01] bsmartt`: is there any way you could get to the picnic a little early, say 10:30? tablecloths are a prerequisite for setting up the whole table so the tablecloth person has to be there first :) [17:01] I plan to be there at 10:00am to help in whatever way possible setting up. As well as cleanup. [17:02] great! [17:02] :) [17:02] * pleia2 has to drag her fiance and a visiting friend out of bed that morning, 10:30AM is hard [17:03] we managed to do it last year though [17:07] Why, I would imagine everyone is enthusiastic about waking up early on saturday to help set up a linux picnic. ;) [17:41] I wish I could go this year. It was fun last time I went :) [17:42] bsmartt: thanks for showing up early. We know we need some help registering people during the initial rush. [17:43] Me too -- it's a great event, and I wish I didn't have to be out of town. [17:50] pleia2: might want to make sure the one in bzr matches the one on the server before merging rww's changes :) [17:50] jtatum: I did the MP on the server, everything is the same [17:51] ok good deal [18:30] Morning, jono! === pleia2_ is now known as pleia2 [18:46] morning all. [18:50] morning [19:09] how's it going grantbow? === akk_ is now known as akk [21:46] ugh, Windows is annoying me again. Maybe I should get rid of it and use lab computers for coursework [21:46] +1 [21:52] what do you gotta do on windows? rww [21:58] philipballew: I haven't started yet, so iono, but I got a strong impression that they expected people to be using Windows (except for the UNIX class I'm taking, obviously) [21:59] (well, they call it UNIX. I'm betting money it's Linux :) [22:02] Might be some ancient Sun server. [22:27] watch it be HP-UX [22:30] a friend here bought a hp-ux laptop the other day for 10 bucks. its in this really nice rugid case sn9 [22:30] linux it [22:31] any distro recommendations? [22:31] "really nice rugged case" here means "it's so heavy I can't pick it up so it can't be dropped" [22:31] philipballew: Debian [22:31] gentoo and debian are the only ones with installers afaik [22:32] debian is somewhat more stable then gentoo usually [22:34] (you want either the hppa or ia64 ports, depending on what processor's in it) [22:35] (and if it's hppa, that port didn't make squeeze) [22:35] :( [22:35] gentoo is the only hppa distro now? :( [22:35] rww, his plan is to get x running and take it to class with him. figures the reaction will be worth it in his opinion. hp-ux seems like it was a good system [22:36] sn9, everything seems to be coming down to just a few these days. :( [22:37] I didn't know there ever were laptops with HP-UX. [22:37] nor did i [22:38] it was at the good will for 10 bucks. [22:38] allegedly OpenBSD and NetBSD are ported to it too [22:38] uname - whatever letter it is said hp-ux [22:38] and NEXTSTEP, but... NEXTSTEP. [22:38] that's pretty cool, philipballew [22:39] there is a hp plant near me. i figure that is where it came from akgraner` [22:39] akk [22:39] stupid x-chat! [22:40] whats nextstep rww [22:40] philipballew: a closed-source operating system from the '90s [22:41] i get the feeling it didnt last [22:41] Well, there's still OS X. [22:42] osx is darwin though nhaines [22:43] It took some of its UI and other code from nextstep. [22:43] Though the UI ended up looking very different. [22:43] ahh, damn apple [22:43] Next was Steve Jobs' company. [22:44] He brought a lot of Next people along when Apple took him back. [22:44] akk, do you see apple as being on the rise still or on the decline? [22:44] That's what he was doing while he wasn't at Apple. [22:45] they've stoped pushing the ipod as strongly and thats what got them out there. [22:45] akk, he also did pixar [22:45] Rising now, but I think it will plummet when Jobs' health forces him to retire. And then after that, I have no prediction on whether it will recover or not. [22:45] d thinks it will, I'm less convinced. [22:46] at the college i go to macs are like 40 percent of laptops [22:53] at open source conventions, macs are like 60 percent of laptops [22:53] i find it mildly amusing [22:55] rww, wonder if they're duel booting? [22:55] what do you run? [22:56] which distro, you mean? [22:56] I'm in the old NexT plant right now. [22:56] Debian, unless I get bored and put Ubuntu or Fedora or Arch or HaikuOS, or... [23:00] nice! i have ubuntu now, but also debian. I ment laptop rww though [23:00] oh. I have a Dell Mini 10v, it works for when I need something portable [23:01] not a huge fan of laptops, they don't last long enough [23:01] nice. im thinking i need to look onto a netbook. [23:01] * philipballew wonders if their designed to not last long [23:01] Agreed, rww, there are a huge number of macs at opensource confs. Though fewer than there used to be. [23:02] I get the impression most mass-produced computers don't last long these days. It's a bit harder to build your own laptop than your own desktop, though ;) [23:02] More people are actually using linux laptops now. [23:02] netbook is cheaper than laptop => I don't care as much when it inevitably breaks [23:02] zareason is nice [23:03] netbooks are great but intel's silly prohibitions on resolution for atom-based machines makes them not useful to me. [23:03] yeah, 1024x600 takes some getting used to [23:03] Wish they'd drop that and let people build intel-based 1366x768 netbooks. [23:03] what exactly does intel do thats bad? [23:04] zareason somehow gets around this but no one else does (and I can't deal with the keyboard on the zareason one). [23:06] i have a laptop with i5. it is okay. but the 15 inch screen is hard to take to class everyday [23:06] yeah, the other reason for the netbook is that I can take it places easier [23:07] 15" laptops are way too heavy for my taste -- they make me not want to carry it around very long. [23:07] i this summer rode my bike 5 miles a day with in strapped to my bike [23:08] I love my 11.1" but I don't think anybody makes that size any more. [23:08] the ubuntu pre installed asus's might be cool [23:09] but i usually go dell for laptops