[00:10] <Daskreech> Riddell: Nice. Not a bug but an actual e-mails?
[00:10] <Riddell> yes
[00:13] <valorie> sign him up! obviously we need Turks on the team
[00:22]  * Daskreech hugs valorie
[00:22] <Daskreech> Riddell: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=279897
[00:44] <yofel> ok, even with the pyqt updates the printer applet still crashes. At least oxygen-gtk works again
[00:55] <JontheEchidna> asynchronous image loader in QML: http://i.imgur.com/0GuGy.png (My first thing in QML)
[00:58] <ScottK> Quintasan: Can't the activators fix go in for 4.7.1?
[01:04] <yofel> ScottK: that's cherry picked from 4.7.1
[01:04] <ScottK> Ah.  OK.
[01:05] <ScottK> Any idea when that comes out?
[01:05] <yofel> tagging was sep. 1st
[01:10] <ScottK> Thanks.
[01:14] <JontheEchidna> ulmlogger: I am completely on the QML bandwagon
[01:14] <JontheEchidna> I would like a flying bus plz
[02:08] <JontheEchidna> ulmlogger: I can asychronously grab an image across the network and fade it in for 500ms in 43 lines of QML <3
[02:20] <valorie> {{{{{{{{{{{{hugs}}}}}}}}}}}} to Daskreech
[08:06] <bambee> morning
[08:18] <ulmlogger> JontheEchidna: 43? dude, you need to learn how to write readable qml :P
[08:46] <Quintasan> Morning
[08:47] <Quintasan> JontheEchidna: You shittin me with this? QML Magic
[08:49] <Quintasan> wtf
[08:50] <Quintasan> yofel: The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[08:50] <Quintasan>  libakonadi-dev : Depends: libboost-dev but it is not going to be installed
[08:50] <Quintasan> workspace
[08:50] <Quintasan> wtf
[08:51] <Quintasan> >oneiric
[08:51] <Quintasan> FFFFFFFFUUUUUU-
[09:11]  * Quintasan gets system lockups when copying data to usb thumb
[09:11] <Quintasan> this is preposterous
[09:11] <Quintasan> http://paste.kde.org/112111
[09:11] <Quintasan> ollololololo
[09:18] <nigelb> Quintasan: sounds like fun :p
[10:09] <bambee> interesting: http://lamarque-lvs.blogspot.com/2011/08/wireless-sharing-with-plasma-nm-09-part.html
[10:43] <bambee> ulmlogger: ping?
[10:45]  * bambee takes his magic stick and pokes ulmlogger
[11:16] <KRF> ulmlogger: is that kubuntu-active PPA supposed to work on exopc?
[11:25] <ulmlogger> KRF: haven't tried it, but yes
[11:25] <KRF> cool
[11:25] <KRF> will try in a minute, meego (even the latest version) is making me totally crazy
[12:17] <JontheEchidna> ulmlogger: http://paste.ubuntu.com/670858/
[12:18] <JontheEchidna> I had also included main.qml in my count, adding another 12 :P
[12:28] <KRF> ulmlogger: oki, kubuntu-active PPA doesnt really work for me
[12:29] <KRF> or i dont start it properly
[12:34] <KRF> well, it *basically* seems to work but crashes oftenly. loads of missing QML modules warnings. at least it's something ;). looks promising
[14:02] <ScottK> Quintasan: Did you solve your akonadi-dev problem?
[14:24] <bambee> Can one of the kubuntu devs/motu could upload touchegg into archives, please?
[14:43] <mfraz74> any ideas why epiphany, evince and the gnome & humanity icon themes are installed by default?
[14:45] <mfraz74> ah Firefox looks all KDE again:)
[15:12] <ScottK> Sigh.
[15:13] <ScottK> k3b needs libqtwebkit-dev added to build-depends, but then once I did that I ran smack into a wall of 'needs ported for libav0.7' errors.
[15:41] <shadeslayer> ZOMG
[15:41] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: PING
[15:41] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: HP Touchpad for 99 USD
[15:42] <shadeslayer> thats like ... elcheapo
[15:42] <ScottK> shadeslayer: Can you look at kalzium and figure out why it FTBFS in the rebuild test? https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+archive/test-rebuild-20110816/+build/2697477/+files/buildlog_ubuntu-oneiric-i386.kalzium_4%3A4.7.0-0ubuntu2_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[15:42] <shadeslayer> ScottK: i can try
[15:42] <ScottK> shadeslayer: Thanks.
[15:43] <shadeslayer> lol wat : make[4]: *** No rule to make target `/usr/lib/libQtOpenGL.so', needed by `lib/libcompoundviewer.so.4.7.0'.  Stop.
[15:44]  * shadeslayer is really tempted to buy a touchpad
[15:45] <jussi> shadeslayer: where is this supercheap tablet
[15:45] <shadeslayer> jussi: http://h41112.www4.hp.com/promo/webos/us/en/shopping-touchpad.html
[15:45] <shadeslayer> jussi: only problem being .... how do i get it delivered to me -.-
[15:46] <nigelb> shadeslayer: didn't you get a meego?
[15:46] <shadeslayer> nigelb: no
[15:46] <nigelb> oh.
[15:46] <shadeslayer> i didn't attend the app up event
[15:47] <nigelb> lolfail.
[15:47] <shadeslayer> not really, the exoPC is quite crappy, and isn't a ARM tablet
[15:47] <nigelb> free tablet is good tablet.
[15:47] <shadeslayer> uh, no
[15:47] <nigelb> justsaying y'know ;)
[15:47] <mfraz74> yofel: does firefox look ok your end now?
[15:47] <shadeslayer> heh
[15:49] <ScottK> shadeslayer: Might be missing build-dep then.
[15:50] <shadeslayer> ScottK: yeah, building it again right now
[15:50] <ScottK> great.
[15:51] <mfraz74> is epiphany installed by default?
[15:52] <jussi> shadeslayer: try clicking the buy button there...
[15:54] <shadeslayer> lol
[15:54] <shadeslayer> "Out of stock"
[15:57] <shadeslayer> ScottK: btw it has libqtopengl-dev
[15:57] <ScottK> Weird.
[15:59] <shadeslayer> /usr/lib/libQtOpenGL.so: No such file or directory ... great
[16:00] <shadeslayer> !find libQtOpenGL.so
[16:00] <shadeslayer> uh .... 0.o
[16:01] <shadeslayer> ah ... its probably matching a regex ...
[16:01] <shadeslayer> right, so we have libqt4-opengl-dev: /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libQtOpenGL.so .... 
[16:01] <shadeslayer> multiarch--
[16:02] <shadeslayer> ScottK: no idea how to fix0r this .... i have 0 experience in multiarch
[16:03] <ScottK> shadeslayer: Ask slangasek for help.
[16:03] <shadeslayer> alright
[16:06] <debfx> maybe it's another case of a cmake library that hardcodes the path of its dependency libs
[16:06] <debfx> we really ought to fix that
[16:08] <shadeslayer> debfx: i don't think so, the pc file says : libdir=${prefix}/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu
[16:08] <shadeslayer> /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/pkgconfig/QtOpenGL.pc i mean
[16:09] <mfraz74> any idea why I have "window behavior" and "workspace behavior" in system settings when my language is set as english GB?
[16:11] <debfx> shadeslayer: most of the time cmake projects use find_package() which isn't pkg-config
[16:12] <debfx> libavogadro-dev contains a lot of invalid paths in /usr/lib/avogadro/1_0/AvogadroLibraryDeps.cmake
[16:13] <shadeslayer> debfx: right, but libqt-opengl-dev does not have a .cmake file
[16:14] <debfx> shadeslayer: cmake stores the path of libraries that the lib links to
[16:15] <debfx> so cmake stores the information that avogadro has been linked to /usr/lib/libQtOpenGL.so
[16:16] <shadeslayer> debfx: something like : QT_QTOPENGL_LIBRARY_RELEASE:FILEPATH=/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libQtOpenGL.so in CMakeCache.txt ?
[16:17] <debfx> no, that's just a local cache
[16:18] <debfx> look at /usr/lib/avogadro/1_0/AvogadroLibraryDeps.cmake
[16:18] <debfx> or /usr/share/qzeitgeist/cmake/QZeitgeistExport-noconfig.cmake
[16:20] <shadeslayer> ah
[16:23] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: WHERE?
[16:24] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: out of stock
[16:24] <Quintasan> :/
[16:24] <shadeslayer> i pasted the link before
[16:24] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: http://h41112.www4.hp.com/promo/webos/us/en/shopping-touchpad.html
[16:25] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: Can we remove this shitty default OS from it?
[16:25] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: from what i've read on the wiki and talked to other people, it is possible
[16:25] <Quintasan> 300 polish zloty
[16:26] <Quintasan> I can really afford this
[16:26] <shadeslayer> hehe
[16:26] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Bootie
[16:27] <Quintasan> Y U OUT OF STOCK WHEN I HAS MONEYZ?
[16:27] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: how do you plan to  get it delivered?
[16:28] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: Can't they send it to me?
[16:28] <shadeslayer> uh .. they won't ship it outside the US i think
[16:28] <Quintasan> pff
[16:28] <Quintasan> Ask ScottK or JontheEchidna?
[16:28] <Quintasan> I'm pretty sure they could buy it if you sent em monies
[16:28] <shadeslayer> you might want to checkout the Polish HP Site
[16:29] <shadeslayer> sure, but then shipping it to Poland/India will be as expensive as buying the tablet 
[16:29] <Quintasan> >implying Polish HP won't charge me like 1500+ zł
[16:29] <shadeslayer> have a look, who knows what prices they have
[16:29] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: Shipping to Poland? like 20$
[16:29] <shadeslayer> wat
[16:29] <shadeslayer> O_O
[16:29] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: are you sure?
[16:30] <Quintasan> Even if it's like 100 Polish zloty for shipping I dont care
[16:31] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: They do not even offer TouchPad in Poland
[16:32] <Quintasan> in UK
[16:32] <Quintasan> 350 pounds for 16GB
[16:32] <shadeslayer> lul
[16:32] <Quintasan> 1600 polish zloty
[16:32] <Quintasan> sup
[16:32] <Quintasan> Why the hell it is so cheap over there in US?
[16:33] <shadeslayer> they're shutting down the Tablet/Mobile department i think
[16:34] <shadeslayer> and they want to get rid of the stock
[16:35] <Quintasan> The price between UK and US is 4 times different
[16:37] <mfraz74> is there going to be a newer version of Choqok for 11.10 as I'm getting errors when updating friends?
[16:39] <shadeslayer> ScottK: debfx well ... build can be fixed by adding /x86_64-linux-gnu/ to library paths
[16:42] <shadeslayer> but for some reason, i now have /usr/bin/kalzium in debian/tmp/usr/local/bin/kalzium
[16:46] <Quintasan> ScottK: ping
[17:11] <rbelem> Quintasan, ping
[17:11] <Quintasan> pongo
[17:11] <Quintasan> rbelem: ^
[17:12] <rbelem> Quintasan, how's kdelibs and runtime active are going?
[17:12] <Quintasan> runtime? ask shadeslayer
[17:12] <apachelogger> well then
[17:12] <rbelem> Quintasan, do i have to do something?
[17:12] <shadeslayer> will look at runtime in like another day
[17:12] <Quintasan> ScottK and apachelogger were not comfortable with uploading them like that
[17:12] <apachelogger> I got me a beer
[17:12] <apachelogger> I am home
[17:12] <Quintasan> libs? I have no idea
[17:12] <apachelogger> and I am tired
[17:12] <Quintasan> ask ScottK
[17:12] <apachelogger> what needs doing?
[17:12] <shadeslayer> i feel like kicking the shit out of IPC
[17:12] <Quintasan> I think only he can upload stuff now
[17:12] <rbelem> ScottK, ping
[17:12] <shadeslayer> broken shitz i tell you
[17:13] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: oh btw about the loading a KCM dialog
[17:13] <rbelem> shadeslayer, is it broken?
[17:13] <apachelogger> Quintasan: everyone can upload, but it needs to meet feature freeze criteria :P
[17:13] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: i'm using KSettings::Dialog and then calling addModule
[17:13] <shadeslayer> rbelem: IPC? yes
[17:13] <rbelem> shadeslayer, ah ok
[17:13] <shadeslayer> DBus queries are timing out
[17:15] <shadeslayer> ah i think glib has gone kaput
[17:15] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: depend on what you do that sounds rather fugly
[17:16] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: its like ...4 lines of code :P
[17:17] <shadeslayer> bbiab
[17:20] <apachelogger> bulldog98: Quintasan: what is the status of active?
[17:20] <Quintasan> apachelogger: libs need upload
[17:20] <Quintasan> workspace needs changes
[17:20] <Quintasan> s-l-c needs new libs
[17:20] <Quintasan> and plasma-mobile is onhold for s-l-c
[17:20] <apachelogger> why does workspace need changes?
[17:20] <Quintasan> wait
[17:20] <Quintasan> not workspace
[17:20] <Quintasan> runtime
[17:20] <Quintasan> plus
[17:21] <apachelogger> I thought you did runtime?
[17:21] <Quintasan> you were supposed to fix some sort of kcm patch in workspace apachelogger
[17:21] <Quintasan> Let me tell you
[17:21] <Quintasan> I did
[17:21] <apachelogger> yeah
[17:21] <apachelogger> that is on my todo
[17:21] <Quintasan> LIBS and KWin GLES, review of s-l-c, touchegg and plasma-mobile
[17:21] <apachelogger> actually let me put it on the status.ubuntu thing just to be sure :P
[17:21] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: http://paste.kde.org/112357/
[17:22] <Quintasan> I'm merging kwin-gles workspace branch
[17:23]  * apachelogger finds tray apps with configs funny
[17:24] <apachelogger> sheytan: can haz graphics?
[17:25] <sheytan> apachelogger: will do finishing now
[17:27] <ScottK> Quintasan: Libs is fine, I think.  It's -runtime I'm officially scared of at the moment.
[17:29] <apachelogger> did anyone give kubuntu low fat a try?
[17:29] <apachelogger> ScottK: Libs adds two new interfaces, also not the best of patches
[17:29] <apachelogger> well, not the best of patches because of the new interfaces :P
[17:29] <apachelogger> other than that they are fine ^^
[17:30] <ScottK> apachelogger: You should ask laserjock.
[17:30] <apachelogger> is never is the around when I am 
[17:30] <ScottK> apachelogger: Since the new interfaces are in separate binaries and we moved the headers around into a separate -dev, I think libs is OK.
[17:30] <Quintasan> ScottK: and workspace?
[17:31] <apachelogger> ok
[17:31] <ScottK> Quintasan: Workspace is fine too.
[17:31] <apachelogger> ScottK: out of interst: why not move the headers and libs into one package?
[17:31] <apachelogger> I do not think the split there gives much gain
[17:31] <ScottK> apachelogger: We could, but then end users have them installed for no point.
[17:32]  * ScottK would prefer the less of this stuff gets installed the better.
[17:32] <Quintasan> ScottK: Can I merge and upload workspace right away?
[17:32]  * Quintasan doesn't want to wait for apachelogger
[17:32] <ScottK> Quintasan: Yes.
[17:32] <Quintasan> or let me rephrase that
[17:33] <Quintasan> I want to have it off my mid
[17:33] <Quintasan> mind*
[17:34] <apachelogger> ScottK: the enduser = tablet/mobile of which both are not particularly end user ready systems
[17:34] <ScottK> True.
[17:34] <apachelogger> Quintasan: why would you not upload right away?
[17:34] <apachelogger> my changes are actually not even in workspace
[17:34] <ScottK> apachelogger: I'm OK either way.  I like the way it is better, but the main thing is to keep the headers out of kdelibs5-dev.
[17:34] <Quintasan> apachelogger: I see.
[17:35] <apachelogger> (since the kdm kcm uses polkit nowadays)
[17:35] <apachelogger> ScottK: agreed
[17:35] <apachelogger> Quintasan: upload libs too while you are at it :P
[17:35] <sheytan> apachelogger: can one button work as: if playing a file then one click will bring you to the home screen and double will  bring the dvd menu?
[17:35] <apachelogger> KRF: qml dep tracing is not exactly easy business ^^
[17:36] <apachelogger> thoguh we could actually do it as there are only two paths in which a qml import could be placed (qt4 or kde4)
[17:36] <apachelogger> sheytan: that is UX fail right there
[17:37] <apachelogger> the double clicking behavior to go to dvd menu is neither obvious nor understandible since it goes to home on one click
[17:38]  * Quintasan upload workspace
[17:38] <apachelogger> Quintasan, ScottK: so what is the plan for runtime?
[17:39] <ScottK> apachelogger: I think the plan was Quintasan would use his vast experise in double builds to make a different runtime package will all the new crap in it.
[17:39] <apachelogger> sounds like a plan
[17:39] <apachelogger> oh great
[17:39] <apachelogger> me tablet is broken
[17:39] <apachelogger> I shall communicate my appreciation of the qdbus breakage :P
[17:40] <Quintasan> ScottK: I thought I'd delegate that to shadeslayer so someone apart from me has the knowledge how to do this
[17:40]  * sheytan is cutting images for apachelogger
[17:40] <ScottK> Quintasan: What do you consider the odds of success for this plan?
[17:41] <ScottK> apachelogger: Just install qt-dev-tools or wherever we stashed it (whatever I said on kubuntu-devel).
[17:41] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: no time till monday
[17:41] <ScottK> armel builds of Qt take approximately forever these days.
[17:41] <shadeslayer> mentor delegated some last minute stuff
[17:41] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: You are apparently after exams
[17:41] <Quintasan> :/
[17:41] <shadeslayer> nope
[17:41] <apachelogger> ScottK: that implies that I know how to go on wifi nowadays
[17:41] <apachelogger> tablets with eth port are rather rare
[17:42] <shadeslayer> DBus decided to crap out at the last minute as well
[17:42]  * apachelogger installs the not broken version
[17:42] <apachelogger> KRF: ping
[17:42] <Quintasan> ScottK: Can this wait until monday?
[17:43]  * Quintasan is not entirely able to do this today either
[17:43]  * apachelogger points out that he wanted this done yesterday
[17:43] <apachelogger> also
[17:43] <apachelogger> delegating stuff to shadeslayer never works out
[17:43] <shadeslayer> true ^^
[17:44] <apachelogger> oh this is gonna be fun
[17:44] <Quintasan> Well, some people in my house are superior forces.
[17:44] <apachelogger> entering wifi password with broken plasma keyboard -.-
[17:44] <ScottK> Quintasan: Probably that would be pushing it.
[17:44] <KRF> apachelogger: pongie
[17:44]  * KRF currently cooking
[17:44] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: dude
[17:44] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: use kvbd
[17:44] <apachelogger> KRF: fancy fixing plasma-tablet's default wallpaper
[17:44] <shadeslayer> or something like that
[17:44] <apachelogger> KRF: nuno and I concluded that the green thing looks like a swamp
[17:44] <Quintasan> make[2]: warning: jobserver unavailable: using -j1.  Add `+' to parent make rule.
[17:44] <Quintasan> dh_auto_build
[17:44] <Quintasan>         cd obj-x86_64-linux-gnu
[17:44] <Quintasan>         make -j1
[17:44] <apachelogger> + it actually is brand polution
[17:44] <Quintasan> oneiric pbuilder are borken
[17:44] <Quintasan>  /topic
[17:46] <Quintasan> rbelem: ping
[17:46] <apachelogger> is it just me or is oneiric stuff constantly broken?
[17:46] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: btw i'm not entirely sure i understand what i have to do
[17:46] <Quintasan> Almost exactly the same thing I did with workspace
[17:46] <KRF> apachelogger: mh, not particularly interested, sorry :P
[17:46] <Quintasan> double build everything to install a few files
[17:47] <apachelogger> KRF: meh :P
[17:47] <Quintasan> ScottK: Care to explain the details?
[17:47] <apachelogger> no motivation to make broken UX less broken
[17:47] <KRF> apachelogger: just use the same as for plasma-desktop?
[17:47] <ScottK> Beta freeze coming up.
[17:47] <apachelogger> KRF: yeah
[17:47] <apachelogger> though I find it crappy for tablet anyway
[17:47] <apachelogger> just that I'd rather have crap and not a crap swamp
[17:48] <KRF> +1
[17:48] <apachelogger> KRF, Quintasan: what is the ppa with active stuff?
[17:49] <apachelogger> ScottK: can you poke some canonical people so we get a flipping arm ppa? :.
[17:49] <apachelogger> :/
[17:49] <Quintasan> ppa:kubuntu-active/ppa
[17:49] <ScottK> apachelogger: arm boxen should have working ice creaming again.
[17:49] <sheytan> apachelogger: http://www.sendspace.com/file/fa84w1
[17:50]  * Quintasan testbuilds workspace and uploads
[17:50] <apachelogger> ScottK: that does not help with distribution and access though :S
[17:50] <apachelogger> sheytan: can haz screenshot so I know where this is supposed to go?
[17:51] <rbelem> Quintasan, pong
[17:51] <sheytan> apachelogger: sure
[17:51] <ScottK> apachelogger: True, but we can give other kubuntu-dev access.  Dunno if they all have it currently.
[17:51] <apachelogger> Quintasan: ^ there you read
[17:51] <Quintasan> rbelem: Can you modify workspace packaging?
[17:52] <apachelogger> ScottK: still in terms of testing ppa would be better IMHO
[17:52] <Quintasan> apachelogger: What are you talking about?
[17:52] <rbelem> Quintasan, yup :-) what should i do?
[17:52] <ScottK> Agreed, but there's not much I can do about Canonical and PPAs.
[17:52] <Quintasan> I got ARM box access right after getting into kubuntu-dev
[17:52] <Quintasan> I used it once or twice
[17:52] <sheytan> apachelogger: http://img703.imageshack.us/img703/5852/dragonplayer3uimockup.jpg
[17:53] <Quintasan> rbelem: You need to do a double build of workspace to install some files
[17:53] <Quintasan> ScottK could explain in detail as I forgot
[17:53] <rbelem> oki
[17:53] <Quintasan> rbelem: examples of double building are kde-workspace and quassel
[17:53] <Quintasan> most magic happens in debian/rules
[17:53] <ScottK> Quintasan: You'll need to provide more help than that.
[17:54] <apachelogger> sheytan: there is buttons I do not unstand in that picture
[17:54] <rbelem> :-D
[17:54] <Quintasan> rbelem: I would appreciate it as I'm currently forced to move $stuff around the house
[17:54] <sheytan> apachelogger: like?
[17:54] <Quintasan> ScottK: About double-building?
[17:54] <ScottK> And about how to achieve the desired differences between the two builds.
[17:54] <Quintasan> ScottK: I do not think so but I'll be happy to answer any of rbelem's questions (should he have any)
[17:55] <ScottK> OK
[17:55] <rbelem> Quintasan, which branch should i get?
[17:55] <Quintasan> ScottK: Oh you mean about the patching? I have a few ways in mind but I was wondering what would be the best approach
[17:56] <Quintasan> rbelem: do you have kubuntu-dev-tools from bzr?
[17:56] <rbelem> Quintasan, yup
[17:56] <Quintasan> kbzr branch kde-runtime
[17:56] <Quintasan> I merged most of the stuff and ScottK is scared of the activitymanager patch(right?)
[17:57] <ScottK> Yep.
[17:57] <Quintasan> ScottK: About patching
[17:57] <ScottK> Want to build a separate -active binary with that patch.
[17:57] <Quintasan> I thought of doing it like that
[17:57] <Quintasan> add the patch to debian/patches but not to debian/patches/series
[17:57] <Quintasan> do the normal build
[17:57] <apachelogger> sheytan: http://i.imgur.com/E8K1q.jpg
[17:57] <Quintasan> in rules append the patch name to series and do the second build
[17:58] <rbelem> Quintasan, nice :-)
[17:58] <Quintasan> It's a dirty approach but I see no point in overriding everything to add single patch
[17:58] <rbelem> Quintasan, i will do that
[17:58] <sheytan> apachelogger: that's what tooltips are for
[17:58] <Quintasan> rbelem: I want ScottK's thoughts on that approach
[17:58] <sheytan> first button: dvd menu, next 'go home', fullscreen, settings
[17:59] <rbelem> Quintasan, should i do that for all kbutun-active patches?
[17:59] <sheytan> the speaker icon is for mute on click
[17:59] <apachelogger> sheytan: that is rubbish TBH
[17:59] <sheytan> next to it is volume slider
[17:59] <rbelem> Quintasan, or just one of them?
[17:59] <ScottK> Quintasan: Sounds reasonable.
[18:00] <rbelem> Quintasan, kbzr does not exists in kubuntu-dev-tools
[18:00] <Quintasan> rbelem: It's a single patch that worrries ScottK (I think) but IMO doing a second build with our usual patches + active patches is the best approach
[18:00] <Quintasan> rbelem: bzr branch lp:kubuntu-dev-tools
[18:00] <ScottK> Depends on what the patches touch.
[18:00] <Quintasan> rbelem: sudo ruby setup.rb
[18:00] <rbelem> Quintasan, oki
[18:01] <rbelem> ScottK, mostly experimental stuff
[18:01] <Quintasan> rbelem: then you can use kbzr branch kde-runtime
[18:01] <Quintasan> normal command would be
[18:01] <ScottK> Right.  It's the places where it touches non-experimental stuff I get scared.
[18:01] <sheytan> apachelogger: if you once hit a button you will learn what it's for. Other case, all icons would need to be done with text like "THIS BUTTON IS FOR SETTINGS". 
[18:01] <rbelem> ScottK, oki :-)
[18:02] <Quintasan> bzr branch lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/kde-runtime
[18:02] <Quintasan> rbelem: ^ kbzr is a nice wrapper around bzr :P
[18:02] <Quintasan> rbelem: How many active patches does runtime has?
[18:02] <Quintasan> have*
[18:03]  * rbelem looks
[18:03] <rbelem> Quintasan, six pathces
[18:03] <Quintasan> Hmm
[18:04] <apachelogger> sheytan: I just asked my mother what the UI does, she only got the settings button and the volume slider right
[18:04] <apachelogger> that is not good ui design
[18:04] <Quintasan> Then you'll have to append those six patch names to debian/patches/series in rules before second build
[18:04] <Quintasan> rbelem: ^
[18:05] <sheytan> apachelogger: well, ask Nuno for new buttons. I'm not feeling good in icons
[18:05] <rbelem> Quintasan, oki
[18:06] <Quintasan> rbelem: Or wait. Don't do anything for now
[18:06] <sheytan> apachelogger: opening a file can look like the recently played thing. In setting user can set a path to all his movies. Like amarok does for music, what ya think?
[18:06] <rbelem> Quintasan, hum?
[18:07] <Quintasan> ScottK: There is a one patch that is problematic or the changes introduced by the whole set of active patches is problematic?
[18:07] <yofel> re
[18:07] <ScottK> Quintasan: It was a lot of changes in the activitymanager that got me scared.  I will confess I got a bit overwhelmed at that point.
[18:08] <Quintasan> So the whole set is problematic
[18:08] <Quintasan> I see
[18:08] <apachelogger> sheytan: dragon does not maintain a collection
[18:08] <apachelogger> sheytan: general thought: why crank all the stuff in the controls panel?
[18:08] <sheytan> apachelogger: it can?
[18:08] <sheytan> apachelogger: what do you mean crank?
[18:09] <apachelogger> have everything in there
[18:09] <apachelogger> a window has four edges, only one of them has a visual item, and within that visual item is all the stuff you need, or might actually not need
[18:10] <sheytan> apachelogger: the controller bg is for it
[18:10] <apachelogger> plus currently it does not cover the list I sent you some time ago
[18:10] <apachelogger> subtitle selection
[18:10] <apachelogger> audio channel selection
[18:10] <apachelogger> aspect ratio selection
[18:10] <apachelogger> ...
[18:10] <sheytan> apachelogger: working on it
[18:10] <sheytan> i don't want that right on the ui
[18:10] <sheytan> it must be in settings dialog
[18:11] <apachelogger> that is fundamentally wrong
[18:11] <apachelogger> it is not a setting
[18:11] <apachelogger> it is a selection
[18:13] <sheytan> i will come out with it. Give me the chance
[18:14] <apachelogger> well, without a concept for those the UI seems utterly unusable to me :(
[18:15] <apachelogger> ScottK, Quintasan: about the branding, since plasma active is more of an effort than a product I am not sure kubuntu active would be a good name really
[18:15] <apachelogger> plus it is not really descriptive :P
[18:15] <apachelogger> markey: maybe you have a good idea for cool name?
[18:17] <ScottK> apachelogger: We already did this for mobile in similar circumstances.
[18:18] <ScottK> I think it's good as long as we stamp enough warnings on it.
[18:18] <apachelogger> ScottK: I mean, it is a rather silly name
[18:18] <sheytan> apachelogger http://img543.imageshack.us/img543/3034/dragonplayer3firstrun.jpg
[18:18] <sheytan> http://img6.imageshack.us/img6/33/dragonplayer3recent.jpg
[18:19] <apachelogger> sheytan: why no icons?
[18:19] <sheytan> apachelogger: more elegant. Too many blink blink with icons i guess ;D
[18:19] <sheytan> or too much
[18:19] <apachelogger> looks like a website ^^
[18:19] <apachelogger> haha
[18:20] <apachelogger> sheytan: send me them pictures
[18:20] <apachelogger> so we can test
[18:20] <sheytan> sure
[18:20]  * sheytan can haz demo?
[18:20] <apachelogger> also I'll try to get you PPA buids of phonon so you can test yourself
[18:20] <apachelogger> Quintasan: do you haz phonon phonon-gst and phonon-vlc git imports?
[18:21] <Quintasan> I think we don't
[18:21] <Quintasan> yofel: ^^
[18:21] <Quintasan> ScottK: http://i.imgur.com/8Lo9D.png
[18:22] <Quintasan> ScottK: You want it done like this?
[18:22] <ScottK> Yes
[18:22] <apachelogger> sheytan: also I'll need the reflection thing from the recently viewed video snapshots
[18:22] <sheytan> apachelogger: http://www.sendspace.com/file/7q6p9w
[18:22] <Quintasan> ScottK: Awesome
[18:22] <yofel> apachelogger: phonon-gst and phonon-vlc are imported on LP
[18:22] <ScottK> Quintasan: Makes sense?
[18:22] <apachelogger> I do not think I can do that in qml right now
[18:22] <apachelogger> well
[18:22] <Quintasan> So rbelem
[18:22] <Quintasan> As you do have SIX patches
[18:22] <sheytan> apachelogger: forget the reflection
[18:22] <apachelogger> yofel: could be so kind as to get imports for the qml branches on those three repos too
[18:22] <Quintasan> Appending six names in rules is a stupid idea
[18:23] <sheytan> apachelogger: as you noticed, in recently view the 'play' buttons are a bit lower then on first run. Please make them go those few pixels down with a nice animation :)
[18:24] <yofel> apachelogger: until https://code.launchpad.net/~jelmer/launchpad/import-colocated-branches/+merge/72127 is merged we can't import anything but git master
[18:25] <Quintasan> rbelem: Instead there is a neat variable for quilt named QUILT_SERIES which as you can guess tells quilt which series file to use. Now what I would do is to remove active patches from debian/series; cp debian/series debian/series-active ; append the active patches names to debian/series-active and tell quilt to use series-active on the other build with QUILT_SERIES="series-active"
[18:25] <sheytan> apachelogger: i'm afk for few minutes. PIng me with demo please :)
[18:25] <apachelogger> sheytan: you do not see any animations there
[18:25] <shadeslayer> yofel: thats merged, its waiting for deployment on Production Servers
[18:25] <yofel> shadeslayer: no, approved, but not merged
[18:26] <Quintasan> ScottK: Too me? It does, if active-related change are that scary then it only makes sens to do a second build and provide normal and experimental libs
[18:26] <Quintasan> to*
[18:30] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: there is a bit of a problem with the backgorund
[18:30] <apachelogger> eh
[18:30] <apachelogger> sheytan: 
[18:30] <apachelogger> sheytan: what if the window is bigger than the bg? what if it smaller? what if it has a different aspect ratio?
[18:31] <rbelem> Quintasan, awesome :-D
[18:33]  * rbelem was updating the patches
[18:36] <Quintasan> rbelem: Let me know if you have some problems
[18:44] <apachelogger> yofel: it makes me smile
[19:11] <jjesse-netbook> DarkwingDuck: you around?
[19:22] <afiestas> rbelem: screeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeensh0t
[19:43] <jjesse-netbook> in oneric using the netbook edition (or whatever it is called these days) krunner doesnt seem to start for me until i call it
[19:43] <jjesse-netbook> is krunner no longer being used?
[19:44] <mfraz74> what do you mean by call it?
[19:46]  * Quintasan looks at Tribe and wants that in Kubuntu
[19:52] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: ping ping
[19:53] <jjesse-netbook> mfraz74: means i have to launch it through konsole before alt f2 works
[19:53] <jjesse-netbook> really miss it
[19:54] <mfraz74> jjesse-netbook: oh
[19:54] <mfraz74> jjesse-netbook: i disable the netbook plasma as soon as I install on a netbook
[19:54] <jjesse-netbook> ah i actually like it :)
[19:55] <mfraz74> i might be using it on netbooks that are too slow, but it seems to take ages to display
[19:55] <mfraz74> i meant workspace and not plasma
[20:02] <mfraz74> any ideas why programs stay in the task manager after i have closed them down?
[20:36] <DarkwingDuck> jjesse-netbook: You still there?
[20:36] <shadeslayer> afiestas: poke
[20:37] <shadeslayer> ah
[20:37] <shadeslayer> nvm
[20:38]  * shadeslayer just discovered sender in Signals and Slots
[20:38] <shadeslayer> shit just got interesting :>
[20:40] <afiestas> xd
[20:41] <DarkwingDuck> jjesse-netbook: ping me when you get back... have a couple things to chat at ya about.
[20:41] <ScottK> jjesse-netbook: Try just using the embedded runner in search and launch.
[20:41] <shadeslayer> aw
[20:41] <shadeslayer> afiestas: i'll have to cast my sender() QObject into a KAction?
[20:41] <DarkwingDuck> ScottK: Quick server (oneiric) question for ya
[20:41] <shadeslayer> to get any info out of it
[20:41] <ScottK> Shoot
[20:42] <DarkwingDuck> ScottK: I'm getting blank screen after GRUB. However, if I boot into recovery then click resume normal boot. It works. 
[20:42] <ScottK> You didn't do anything silly like remove plymouth did you?
[20:43] <DarkwingDuck> Nope.
[20:43] <DarkwingDuck> Ahhhh, splash.
[20:43] <mfraz74> is that a duck splashing away?
[20:43] <ScottK> nosplash probably doesn't do what you think it does anymore.
[20:43] <DarkwingDuck> I was trying to figure out what was different between the two boot sequences were.
[20:43] <DarkwingDuck> Well no. I didn't change anything.
[20:44] <DarkwingDuck> I'll try reinstalling plymouth
[20:44] <DarkwingDuck> and see if that helps anything.
[20:44] <afiestas> shadeslayer: yes
[20:44] <afiestas> qobject_cast should do the trick
[20:45] <shadeslayer> afiestas: hmm .. everything looks fine but none of my slots are activated when i trigger them
[20:45] <shadeslayer>  No such slot KStatusNotifierItem::startSync(Qt::MouseButtons,Qt::KeyboardModifiers) 
[20:47] <JontheEchidna> http://i.imgur.com/HBmwG.png
[20:47] <shadeslayer> afiestas: https://gist.github.com/7af916895bdea2f9bc40
[20:48] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: naice
[20:52] <bambee> shadeslayer: missing Q_OBJECT macro in the class definitioN?
[20:52] <bambee> "The Q_OBJECT macro must appear in the private section of a class definition that declares its own signals and slots[...]"
[20:52] <shadeslayer> ffffuuuuuuu
[20:52] <shadeslayer> how did that get removed
[20:54] <shadeslayer> bambee: the one last thing being my KSNI gets deleted after i trigger load the KCM module
[20:54] <shadeslayer> and then press cancel
[20:56] <bambee> KSNI? wtf?
[20:56] <JontheEchidna> doh: https://bugreports.qt.nokia.com//browse/QTBUG-9337
[20:57] <shadeslayer> bambee: KStatusNotifierItem
[20:57] <shadeslayer> they deprecated KSystemTrayIcon
[21:02] <shadeslayer> heh
[21:04] <bambee> shadeslayer: ahhh... I see
[21:05] <shadeslayer> bambee: i just used KProcess
[21:11] <rbelem> afiestas, no screenshots yet :'(
[22:53] <yofel> apachelogger: is there no way to check if there's something connected to a HDMI port? Because some updates set my default phonon device to my HDMI (displayport) device without anything being actually plugged in there.
[22:54] <shadeslayer> yofel: same thing happened to me
[22:54] <shadeslayer> and my flash has no sound :(
[23:27] <sheytan> apachelogger: you will get fixed background soon, don't worry about aspect ratio nor resolution
[23:42] <JontheEchidna> In all of its shiny glory: http://quickgit.kde.org/?p=muon.git&a=commit&h=244923c94f18ba0aa83b7eb56d225de2e93fdf66
[23:45] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: I lifted your MouseCursor class btw. There really should be a common way for QML apps to do that in the future, imo