[00:10] Riddell: Nice. Not a bug but an actual e-mails? [00:10] yes [00:13] sign him up! obviously we need Turks on the team [00:22] * Daskreech hugs valorie [00:22] Riddell: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=279897 [00:22] KDE bug 279897 in kcm_clock "Wrong flag listed in Timezone tab for Kigali Africa/Rwanda " [Minor,Unconfirmed] [00:44] ok, even with the pyqt updates the printer applet still crashes. At least oxygen-gtk works again [00:55] asynchronous image loader in QML: http://i.imgur.com/0GuGy.png (My first thing in QML) [00:58] Quintasan: Can't the activators fix go in for 4.7.1? [01:04] ScottK: that's cherry picked from 4.7.1 [01:04] Ah. OK. [01:05] Any idea when that comes out? [01:05] tagging was sep. 1st [01:10] Thanks. [01:14] ulmlogger: I am completely on the QML bandwagon [01:14] I would like a flying bus plz [02:08] ulmlogger: I can asychronously grab an image across the network and fade it in for 500ms in 43 lines of QML <3 [02:20] {{{{{{{{{{{{hugs}}}}}}}}}}}} to Daskreech === skreech_ is now known as Daskreech [08:06] morning [08:18] JontheEchidna: 43? dude, you need to learn how to write readable qml :P [08:46] Morning [08:47] JontheEchidna: You shittin me with this? QML Magic [08:49] wtf [08:50] yofel: The following packages have unmet dependencies: [08:50] libakonadi-dev : Depends: libboost-dev but it is not going to be installed [08:50] workspace [08:50] wtf [08:51] >oneiric [08:51] FFFFFFFFUUUUUU- [09:11] * Quintasan gets system lockups when copying data to usb thumb [09:11] this is preposterous [09:11] http://paste.kde.org/112111 [09:11] ollololololo [09:18] Quintasan: sounds like fun :p [10:09] interesting: http://lamarque-lvs.blogspot.com/2011/08/wireless-sharing-with-plasma-nm-09-part.html [10:43] ulmlogger: ping? [10:45] * bambee takes his magic stick and pokes ulmlogger [11:16] ulmlogger: is that kubuntu-active PPA supposed to work on exopc? [11:25] KRF: haven't tried it, but yes [11:25] cool [11:25] will try in a minute, meego (even the latest version) is making me totally crazy [12:17] ulmlogger: http://paste.ubuntu.com/670858/ [12:18] I had also included main.qml in my count, adding another 12 :P [12:28] ulmlogger: oki, kubuntu-active PPA doesnt really work for me [12:29] or i dont start it properly === bcooksley is now known as bcooksley-away [12:34] well, it *basically* seems to work but crashes oftenly. loads of missing QML modules warnings. at least it's something ;). looks promising [14:02] Quintasan: Did you solve your akonadi-dev problem? [14:24] Can one of the kubuntu devs/motu could upload touchegg into archives, please? [14:43] any ideas why epiphany, evince and the gnome & humanity icon themes are installed by default? [14:45] ah Firefox looks all KDE again:) === tazz_ is now known as tazz [15:12] Sigh. [15:13] k3b needs libqtwebkit-dev added to build-depends, but then once I did that I ran smack into a wall of 'needs ported for libav0.7' errors. === ulmlogger is now known as transitlogger [15:41] ZOMG [15:41] Quintasan: PING [15:41] Quintasan: HP Touchpad for 99 USD [15:42] thats like ... elcheapo [15:42] shadeslayer: Can you look at kalzium and figure out why it FTBFS in the rebuild test? https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+archive/test-rebuild-20110816/+build/2697477/+files/buildlog_ubuntu-oneiric-i386.kalzium_4%3A4.7.0-0ubuntu2_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz [15:42] ScottK: i can try [15:42] shadeslayer: Thanks. [15:43] lol wat : make[4]: *** No rule to make target `/usr/lib/libQtOpenGL.so', needed by `lib/libcompoundviewer.so.4.7.0'. Stop. [15:44] * shadeslayer is really tempted to buy a touchpad [15:45] shadeslayer: where is this supercheap tablet [15:45] jussi: http://h41112.www4.hp.com/promo/webos/us/en/shopping-touchpad.html [15:45] jussi: only problem being .... how do i get it delivered to me -.- [15:46] shadeslayer: didn't you get a meego? [15:46] nigelb: no [15:46] oh. [15:46] i didn't attend the app up event [15:47] lolfail. [15:47] not really, the exoPC is quite crappy, and isn't a ARM tablet [15:47] free tablet is good tablet. [15:47] uh, no [15:47] justsaying y'know ;) [15:47] yofel: does firefox look ok your end now? [15:47] heh [15:49] shadeslayer: Might be missing build-dep then. [15:50] ScottK: yeah, building it again right now [15:50] great. [15:51] is epiphany installed by default? [15:52] shadeslayer: try clicking the buy button there... [15:54] lol [15:54] "Out of stock" [15:57] ScottK: btw it has libqtopengl-dev [15:57] Weird. [15:59] /usr/lib/libQtOpenGL.so: No such file or directory ... great [16:00] !find libQtOpenGL.so [16:00] File libQtOpenGL.so found in ia32-libs, libqt4-dbg, libqt4-opengl, libqt4-opengl-dev [16:00] uh .... 0.o [16:01] ah ... its probably matching a regex ... [16:01] right, so we have libqt4-opengl-dev: /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libQtOpenGL.so .... [16:01] multiarch-- [16:02] ScottK: no idea how to fix0r this .... i have 0 experience in multiarch [16:03] shadeslayer: Ask slangasek for help. [16:03] alright [16:06] maybe it's another case of a cmake library that hardcodes the path of its dependency libs [16:06] we really ought to fix that [16:08] debfx: i don't think so, the pc file says : libdir=${prefix}/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu [16:08] /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/pkgconfig/QtOpenGL.pc i mean [16:09] any idea why I have "window behavior" and "workspace behavior" in system settings when my language is set as english GB? [16:11] shadeslayer: most of the time cmake projects use find_package() which isn't pkg-config [16:12] libavogadro-dev contains a lot of invalid paths in /usr/lib/avogadro/1_0/AvogadroLibraryDeps.cmake [16:13] debfx: right, but libqt-opengl-dev does not have a .cmake file [16:14] shadeslayer: cmake stores the path of libraries that the lib links to [16:15] so cmake stores the information that avogadro has been linked to /usr/lib/libQtOpenGL.so [16:16] debfx: something like : QT_QTOPENGL_LIBRARY_RELEASE:FILEPATH=/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libQtOpenGL.so in CMakeCache.txt ? [16:17] no, that's just a local cache [16:18] look at /usr/lib/avogadro/1_0/AvogadroLibraryDeps.cmake [16:18] or /usr/share/qzeitgeist/cmake/QZeitgeistExport-noconfig.cmake [16:20] ah [16:23] shadeslayer: WHERE? [16:24] Quintasan: out of stock [16:24] :/ [16:24] i pasted the link before [16:24] Quintasan: http://h41112.www4.hp.com/promo/webos/us/en/shopping-touchpad.html [16:25] shadeslayer: Can we remove this shitty default OS from it? [16:25] Quintasan: from what i've read on the wiki and talked to other people, it is possible [16:25] 300 polish zloty [16:26] I can really afford this [16:26] hehe [16:26] Quintasan: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Bootie [16:27] Y U OUT OF STOCK WHEN I HAS MONEYZ? [16:27] Quintasan: how do you plan to get it delivered? [16:28] shadeslayer: Can't they send it to me? [16:28] uh .. they won't ship it outside the US i think [16:28] pff [16:28] Ask ScottK or JontheEchidna? [16:28] I'm pretty sure they could buy it if you sent em monies [16:28] you might want to checkout the Polish HP Site [16:29] sure, but then shipping it to Poland/India will be as expensive as buying the tablet [16:29] >implying Polish HP won't charge me like 1500+ zł [16:29] have a look, who knows what prices they have [16:29] shadeslayer: Shipping to Poland? like 20$ [16:29] wat [16:29] O_O [16:29] Quintasan: are you sure? [16:30] Even if it's like 100 Polish zloty for shipping I dont care [16:31] shadeslayer: They do not even offer TouchPad in Poland [16:32] in UK [16:32] 350 pounds for 16GB [16:32] lul [16:32] 1600 polish zloty [16:32] sup [16:32] Why the hell it is so cheap over there in US? [16:33] they're shutting down the Tablet/Mobile department i think [16:34] and they want to get rid of the stock [16:35] The price between UK and US is 4 times different [16:37] is there going to be a newer version of Choqok for 11.10 as I'm getting errors when updating friends? [16:39] ScottK: debfx well ... build can be fixed by adding /x86_64-linux-gnu/ to library paths [16:42] but for some reason, i now have /usr/bin/kalzium in debian/tmp/usr/local/bin/kalzium [16:46] ScottK: ping [17:11] Quintasan, ping [17:11] pongo [17:11] rbelem: ^ === transitlogger is now known as apachelogger [17:12] Quintasan, how's kdelibs and runtime active are going? [17:12] runtime? ask shadeslayer [17:12] well then [17:12] Quintasan, do i have to do something? [17:12] will look at runtime in like another day [17:12] ScottK and apachelogger were not comfortable with uploading them like that [17:12] I got me a beer [17:12] I am home [17:12] libs? I have no idea [17:12] and I am tired [17:12] ask ScottK [17:12] what needs doing? [17:12] i feel like kicking the shit out of IPC [17:12] I think only he can upload stuff now [17:12] ScottK, ping [17:12] broken shitz i tell you [17:13] apachelogger: oh btw about the loading a KCM dialog [17:13] shadeslayer, is it broken? [17:13] Quintasan: everyone can upload, but it needs to meet feature freeze criteria :P [17:13] apachelogger: i'm using KSettings::Dialog and then calling addModule [17:13] rbelem: IPC? yes [17:13] shadeslayer, ah ok [17:13] DBus queries are timing out [17:15] ah i think glib has gone kaput [17:15] shadeslayer: depend on what you do that sounds rather fugly [17:16] apachelogger: its like ...4 lines of code :P [17:17] bbiab [17:20] bulldog98: Quintasan: what is the status of active? [17:20] apachelogger: libs need upload [17:20] workspace needs changes [17:20] s-l-c needs new libs [17:20] and plasma-mobile is onhold for s-l-c [17:20] why does workspace need changes? [17:20] wait [17:20] not workspace [17:20] runtime [17:20] plus [17:21] I thought you did runtime? [17:21] you were supposed to fix some sort of kcm patch in workspace apachelogger [17:21] Let me tell you [17:21] I did [17:21] yeah [17:21] that is on my todo [17:21] LIBS and KWin GLES, review of s-l-c, touchegg and plasma-mobile [17:21] actually let me put it on the status.ubuntu thing just to be sure :P [17:21] apachelogger: http://paste.kde.org/112357/ [17:22] I'm merging kwin-gles workspace branch [17:23] * apachelogger finds tray apps with configs funny [17:24] sheytan: can haz graphics? [17:25] apachelogger: will do finishing now [17:27] Quintasan: Libs is fine, I think. It's -runtime I'm officially scared of at the moment. [17:29] did anyone give kubuntu low fat a try? [17:29] ScottK: Libs adds two new interfaces, also not the best of patches [17:29] well, not the best of patches because of the new interfaces :P [17:29] other than that they are fine ^^ [17:30] apachelogger: You should ask laserjock. [17:30] is never is the around when I am [17:30] apachelogger: Since the new interfaces are in separate binaries and we moved the headers around into a separate -dev, I think libs is OK. [17:30] ScottK: and workspace? [17:31] ok [17:31] Quintasan: Workspace is fine too. [17:31] ScottK: out of interst: why not move the headers and libs into one package? [17:31] I do not think the split there gives much gain [17:31] apachelogger: We could, but then end users have them installed for no point. [17:32] * ScottK would prefer the less of this stuff gets installed the better. [17:32] ScottK: Can I merge and upload workspace right away? [17:32] * Quintasan doesn't want to wait for apachelogger [17:32] Quintasan: Yes. [17:32] or let me rephrase that [17:33] I want to have it off my mid [17:33] mind* [17:34] ScottK: the enduser = tablet/mobile of which both are not particularly end user ready systems [17:34] True. [17:34] Quintasan: why would you not upload right away? [17:34] my changes are actually not even in workspace [17:34] apachelogger: I'm OK either way. I like the way it is better, but the main thing is to keep the headers out of kdelibs5-dev. [17:34] apachelogger: I see. [17:35] (since the kdm kcm uses polkit nowadays) [17:35] ScottK: agreed [17:35] Quintasan: upload libs too while you are at it :P [17:35] apachelogger: can one button work as: if playing a file then one click will bring you to the home screen and double will bring the dvd menu? [17:35] KRF: qml dep tracing is not exactly easy business ^^ [17:36] thoguh we could actually do it as there are only two paths in which a qml import could be placed (qt4 or kde4) [17:36] sheytan: that is UX fail right there [17:37] the double clicking behavior to go to dvd menu is neither obvious nor understandible since it goes to home on one click [17:38] * Quintasan upload workspace [17:38] Quintasan, ScottK: so what is the plan for runtime? [17:39] apachelogger: I think the plan was Quintasan would use his vast experise in double builds to make a different runtime package will all the new crap in it. [17:39] sounds like a plan [17:39] oh great [17:39] me tablet is broken [17:39] I shall communicate my appreciation of the qdbus breakage :P [17:40] ScottK: I thought I'd delegate that to shadeslayer so someone apart from me has the knowledge how to do this [17:40] * sheytan is cutting images for apachelogger [17:40] Quintasan: What do you consider the odds of success for this plan? [17:41] apachelogger: Just install qt-dev-tools or wherever we stashed it (whatever I said on kubuntu-devel). [17:41] Quintasan: no time till monday [17:41] armel builds of Qt take approximately forever these days. [17:41] mentor delegated some last minute stuff [17:41] shadeslayer: You are apparently after exams [17:41] :/ [17:41] nope [17:41] ScottK: that implies that I know how to go on wifi nowadays [17:41] tablets with eth port are rather rare [17:42] DBus decided to crap out at the last minute as well [17:42] * apachelogger installs the not broken version [17:42] KRF: ping [17:42] ScottK: Can this wait until monday? [17:43] * Quintasan is not entirely able to do this today either [17:43] * apachelogger points out that he wanted this done yesterday [17:43] also [17:43] delegating stuff to shadeslayer never works out [17:43] true ^^ [17:44] oh this is gonna be fun [17:44] Well, some people in my house are superior forces. [17:44] entering wifi password with broken plasma keyboard -.- [17:44] Quintasan: Probably that would be pushing it. [17:44] apachelogger: pongie [17:44] * KRF currently cooking [17:44] apachelogger: dude [17:44] apachelogger: use kvbd [17:44] KRF: fancy fixing plasma-tablet's default wallpaper [17:44] or something like that [17:44] KRF: nuno and I concluded that the green thing looks like a swamp [17:44] make[2]: warning: jobserver unavailable: using -j1. Add `+' to parent make rule. [17:44] dh_auto_build [17:44] cd obj-x86_64-linux-gnu [17:44] make -j1 [17:44] + it actually is brand polution [17:44] oneiric pbuilder are borken [17:44] /topic [17:46] rbelem: ping [17:46] is it just me or is oneiric stuff constantly broken? [17:46] Quintasan: btw i'm not entirely sure i understand what i have to do [17:46] Almost exactly the same thing I did with workspace [17:46] apachelogger: mh, not particularly interested, sorry :P [17:46] double build everything to install a few files [17:47] KRF: meh :P [17:47] ScottK: Care to explain the details? [17:47] no motivation to make broken UX less broken [17:47] apachelogger: just use the same as for plasma-desktop? [17:47] Beta freeze coming up. [17:47] KRF: yeah [17:47] though I find it crappy for tablet anyway [17:47] just that I'd rather have crap and not a crap swamp [17:48] +1 [17:48] KRF, Quintasan: what is the ppa with active stuff? [17:49] ScottK: can you poke some canonical people so we get a flipping arm ppa? :. [17:49] :/ [17:49] ppa:kubuntu-active/ppa [17:49] apachelogger: arm boxen should have working ice creaming again. [17:49] apachelogger: http://www.sendspace.com/file/fa84w1 [17:50] * Quintasan testbuilds workspace and uploads [17:50] ScottK: that does not help with distribution and access though :S [17:50] sheytan: can haz screenshot so I know where this is supposed to go? [17:51] Quintasan, pong [17:51] apachelogger: sure [17:51] apachelogger: True, but we can give other kubuntu-dev access. Dunno if they all have it currently. [17:51] Quintasan: ^ there you read [17:51] rbelem: Can you modify workspace packaging? [17:52] ScottK: still in terms of testing ppa would be better IMHO [17:52] apachelogger: What are you talking about? [17:52] Quintasan, yup :-) what should i do? [17:52] Agreed, but there's not much I can do about Canonical and PPAs. [17:52] I got ARM box access right after getting into kubuntu-dev [17:52] I used it once or twice [17:52] apachelogger: http://img703.imageshack.us/img703/5852/dragonplayer3uimockup.jpg [17:53] rbelem: You need to do a double build of workspace to install some files [17:53] ScottK could explain in detail as I forgot [17:53] oki [17:53] rbelem: examples of double building are kde-workspace and quassel [17:53] most magic happens in debian/rules [17:53] Quintasan: You'll need to provide more help than that. [17:54] sheytan: there is buttons I do not unstand in that picture [17:54] :-D [17:54] rbelem: I would appreciate it as I'm currently forced to move $stuff around the house [17:54] apachelogger: like? [17:54] ScottK: About double-building? [17:54] And about how to achieve the desired differences between the two builds. [17:54] ScottK: I do not think so but I'll be happy to answer any of rbelem's questions (should he have any) [17:55] OK [17:55] Quintasan, which branch should i get? [17:55] ScottK: Oh you mean about the patching? I have a few ways in mind but I was wondering what would be the best approach [17:56] rbelem: do you have kubuntu-dev-tools from bzr? [17:56] Quintasan, yup [17:56] kbzr branch kde-runtime [17:56] I merged most of the stuff and ScottK is scared of the activitymanager patch(right?) [17:57] Yep. [17:57] ScottK: About patching [17:57] Want to build a separate -active binary with that patch. [17:57] I thought of doing it like that [17:57] add the patch to debian/patches but not to debian/patches/series [17:57] do the normal build [17:57] sheytan: http://i.imgur.com/E8K1q.jpg [17:57] in rules append the patch name to series and do the second build [17:58] Quintasan, nice :-) [17:58] It's a dirty approach but I see no point in overriding everything to add single patch [17:58] Quintasan, i will do that [17:58] apachelogger: that's what tooltips are for [17:58] rbelem: I want ScottK's thoughts on that approach [17:58] first button: dvd menu, next 'go home', fullscreen, settings [17:59] Quintasan, should i do that for all kbutun-active patches? [17:59] the speaker icon is for mute on click [17:59] sheytan: that is rubbish TBH [17:59] next to it is volume slider [17:59] Quintasan, or just one of them? [17:59] Quintasan: Sounds reasonable. [18:00] Quintasan, kbzr does not exists in kubuntu-dev-tools [18:00] rbelem: It's a single patch that worrries ScottK (I think) but IMO doing a second build with our usual patches + active patches is the best approach [18:00] rbelem: bzr branch lp:kubuntu-dev-tools [18:00] Depends on what the patches touch. [18:00] rbelem: sudo ruby setup.rb [18:00] Quintasan, oki [18:01] ScottK, mostly experimental stuff [18:01] rbelem: then you can use kbzr branch kde-runtime [18:01] normal command would be [18:01] Right. It's the places where it touches non-experimental stuff I get scared. [18:01] apachelogger: if you once hit a button you will learn what it's for. Other case, all icons would need to be done with text like "THIS BUTTON IS FOR SETTINGS". [18:01] ScottK, oki :-) [18:02] bzr branch lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/kde-runtime [18:02] rbelem: ^ kbzr is a nice wrapper around bzr :P [18:02] rbelem: How many active patches does runtime has? [18:02] have* [18:03] * rbelem looks [18:03] Quintasan, six pathces [18:03] Hmm [18:04] sheytan: I just asked my mother what the UI does, she only got the settings button and the volume slider right [18:04] that is not good ui design [18:04] Then you'll have to append those six patch names to debian/patches/series in rules before second build [18:04] rbelem: ^ [18:05] apachelogger: well, ask Nuno for new buttons. I'm not feeling good in icons [18:05] Quintasan, oki [18:06] rbelem: Or wait. Don't do anything for now [18:06] apachelogger: opening a file can look like the recently played thing. In setting user can set a path to all his movies. Like amarok does for music, what ya think? [18:06] Quintasan, hum? [18:07] ScottK: There is a one patch that is problematic or the changes introduced by the whole set of active patches is problematic? [18:07] re [18:07] Quintasan: It was a lot of changes in the activitymanager that got me scared. I will confess I got a bit overwhelmed at that point. [18:08] So the whole set is problematic [18:08] I see [18:08] sheytan: dragon does not maintain a collection [18:08] sheytan: general thought: why crank all the stuff in the controls panel? [18:08] apachelogger: it can? [18:08] apachelogger: what do you mean crank? [18:09] have everything in there [18:09] a window has four edges, only one of them has a visual item, and within that visual item is all the stuff you need, or might actually not need [18:10] apachelogger: the controller bg is for it [18:10] plus currently it does not cover the list I sent you some time ago [18:10] subtitle selection [18:10] audio channel selection [18:10] aspect ratio selection [18:10] ... [18:10] apachelogger: working on it [18:10] i don't want that right on the ui [18:10] it must be in settings dialog [18:11] that is fundamentally wrong [18:11] it is not a setting [18:11] it is a selection [18:13] i will come out with it. Give me the chance [18:14] well, without a concept for those the UI seems utterly unusable to me :( [18:15] ScottK, Quintasan: about the branding, since plasma active is more of an effort than a product I am not sure kubuntu active would be a good name really [18:15] plus it is not really descriptive :P [18:15]