[00:58] <rectec794613> excuse me. Why does Dolphin always display folder file size as 4kb?
[00:59] <rectec794613> folder size*
[00:59] <sithlord48> thats its size, but not the size of its contents.
[00:59] <rectec794613> sithlord48:  yeah thats what i suspected. how can i make it display the size of the contents?
[01:00] <sithlord48> rectec794613: i don't think you can atm
[01:01] <rectec794613> sithlord48: hmm well that's strange. oh well. I'll mess around with the settings and see what I can do
[01:01] <sithlord48> good luck
[01:01] <rectec794613> sithlord48: it
[01:01] <rectec794613> my bad
[01:02] <rectec794613> sithlord48: it's weird how it doesnt display the folder size. I mean, after all these years of KDE's existance
[01:02] <rectec794613> sithlord48: hopefully it'll be fixed
[01:02] <sithlord48> rectec794613:  i don't think that gnome does it either
[01:03] <rectec794613> sithlord48: why even display the size if it's always 4kb?
[01:03] <sithlord48> i can't answer that for you i didn't write it
[04:13] <terrence> hi
[04:42] <lethu> hello
[04:42] <lethu> can somebody suggest me a good im client other than kopete for kde?
[04:43] <Unit193> Many people here use quassel, not saying what's the best though
[04:43] <Terbaddo_> @ Unit193 Quassel is an IRC client, and I use Konversation
[04:43] <rww> I've been known to use Quassel+bitlbee, but I'm weird.
[04:46] <Unit193> Didn't read that right... Pidgin is an IM client
[04:52] <lethu> already tried pidgin, I might give Konversation a go
[04:52] <lethu> thanks
[05:04] <bbeck> Does anyone really like KPackage kit?
[05:22] <valorie> It's gotten back to OK
[05:22] <valorie> Muon is cool though
[06:44] <shashi> Hi. I am using Kubuntu 11.04 64-bit. In my home folder, i have a folder "Desktop" with few applications icons. But my "folder view" widget is showing my home folder items, not my "Desktop" folder items. Please anyone tell me how to solve this problem? Thanks in advance.
[06:56] <mcdlee> join #coscup
[07:02] <ssfdre38> how can i release my user to install new updates
[07:03] <ssfdre38> nvm
[07:47] <geesup> connect irc.420chan.org
[07:47] <Unit193> Well, that's something...
[07:47] <geesup> how do i connect to the server i want to connect to
[07:47] <Unit193> /connect irc.420chan.org
[07:48] <geesup> see i do that, then nothing happens
[07:49] <Unit193> Now type /join #channelname
[07:50] <geesup> thanks man
[07:50] <geesup> it threw me off because i didnt seem to be connecting to 420chan but i was
[07:50] <ionite> why does my wastebin prompt me to empty it when there's only a few hundred MBs inside?
[08:00] <geesup> see how theres a channel list on the left and the first one is kubuntu irc or whatever
[08:00] <geesup> how do i connect to a different irc
[08:04] <geesup> see i just want to join an irc network that isnt this kubuntu default one, and i'd assume that 99% of users would want to do the same, so why is there not an option to do so
[08:04] <geesup> seems that the server im on is holmes.freenode.net
[08:04] <geesup> i want to connect to something that isnt that
[08:09] <geesup> settings
[08:11] <szal> geesup: using what chat client?
[08:11] <geesup> quassel
[08:13] <geesup> i cant even find a settings or preferences of options or anything
[08:19] <szal> geesup: File -> Networks -> Configure Networks... -> Networks -> Add... -> choose a name for whatever IRC network you want to add, then go down to Network Details, add at least one server address & configure the other things there
[08:20] <geesup> i'm not kidding when i say, this quassel doesnt even have "file"
[08:20] <geesup> its fucked
[08:21] <szal> geesup: try hitting Ctrl+M
[08:22] <geesup> gave it a go before, nothing even hapenned
[08:22] <geesup> its frustrating
[08:22] <geesup> maybe i need to update it
[08:23] <szal> geesup: 'lsb_release -a' please
[08:23] <szal> (in the terminal)
[08:23] <onebitxajax> i need help in installayion
[08:33] <szal> geesup: how about an answer?
[08:52] <mudassar> hello people, will anybody help me in a problem ?
[08:53] <mudassar> Hello people please help ==> Unable to negotiate a key exchange method
[08:54] <szal> !details | mudassar
[08:55] <mudassar> I am trying to create a kerberos ticket and then trying to connect to my university server using ssh ........ but it gives me this error "Unable to negotiate a key exchange method", I am running Kubuntu 10.04
[08:59] <mudassar> need more details ?
[09:08] <mudassar> ??
[09:12] <Mamarok> mudassar: just be patient, as soon as somebody knows you will get an answer
[09:26] <valorie> !ssh
[10:02] <kobus> anybody that can help with the networkmanager in 11.04?
[10:04] <kobus> i've just installed 11.04 on a new latop and i can't connect to my wireless network. wired works by plugging in
[10:04] <kobus> i've added the wireless network, but i don't understand how i connect to it.
[10:05] <kobus> in 10.04 i could click on the taskbar icon and then on the wireless network in the list and it will connect
[10:06] <kobus> any takers?
[10:06] <kobus> help!
[10:09] <kobus> anybody with experience with the nvidia driver?
[10:11] <kobus> anybody using 11.04
[10:13] <kobus> ?
[10:55] <BluesKaj> howdy all
[11:51] <lizhaoxin> hello i am a new comer
[12:28] <alexThunder> hi there - did anyone do a apt-get dist-upgrade in the last few days?
[12:40] <James147>  alexThunder: you will get a better response if you say what problem you are having
[12:40] <alexThunder> i can't start kde anymore, it disappeared from kdm
[12:41] <alexThunder> i found out that dist-upgrade removed kde-window-manager kde-workspace-bin kde-workspace-data
[12:41] <alexThunder> uhm
[12:42] <James147> alexThunder: install kubuntu-desktop
[12:42] <alexThunder> i tried
[12:42] <alexThunder> it didn't want to install kde-workspace-data
[12:42] <alexThunder> but appartently it does now
[12:42] <James147> alexThunder: and run apt-get install -f as well
[12:42] <James147>  (-f means fix broken)
[12:43] <alexThunder> it's installing right now
[12:43] <James147> yeah, run it after its finished
[12:43] <alexThunder> some minute ago, it told me, that there were wrong versions
[12:43] <James147> wont do anything if there is nothing to fix so should be safe
[12:44] <alexThunder> brb, let's see if kde is back :D
[12:46] <alexThunder> ok - the problem solved itself :D
[13:06] <mudassar> I am trying to start afs client like sudo /etc/init.d/openafs-client start but it gives error "afsd: some file missing or bad in /etc/openafs
[13:06] <mudassar> plz help
[14:08] <BluesKaj> !jack
[14:08] <BluesKaj> !info jack
[14:15] <venkata> hi all
[14:16] <venkata> i have a font issue in kubuntu 11.04
[14:16] <venkata> if fonts tab opened all fonts(ubuntu) are becoming thin
[14:16] <GirlyGirl> any idea how to get back the old folder icons in kde 4.7
[14:17] <venkata> running kde 4.6
[14:18] <venkata> plz help
[14:19] <GirlyGirl> venkata: I don't quite understand "if fonts tab opened"
[14:20] <venkata> sorry... fonts section in system settings --> application appearence
[14:20] <venkata> even no need to change any fonts to reproduce this issue..
[14:21] <GirlyGirl> you meen the fonts suddenly change if you open the setting pane?
[14:21] <venkata> just open the fonts tab, and leave the existing ubuntu fonts like that.. and close the settings window..
[14:22] <venkata> after all system fonts becoming thin and ugly... ( in newly opened applications)
[14:22] <venkata> thanks for response
[14:22] <GirlyGirl> enable anti alliasing maybe?
[14:23] <venkata> ya i have tried the anti aliasing .. and hinting options
[14:23] <venkata> but no results
[14:24] <venkata> if i click on defaults button .. the fonts are changing to Sans Serif
[14:24] <venkata> that gives some better look.. but all gtk apps like firefox, chrome etc.. are still ugly
[14:25] <GirlyGirl> gtk fonts need to be adjusted in "GTK + Appearance"
[14:27] <venkata> yes.. i selected "use kde fonts in gtk apps"
[14:27] <venkata> but still firefox and chrome are not displaying ugly fonts
[14:28] <venkata> even i have changed the fonts manually in firefox preferences to sans-serif
[14:28] <venkata> but no use...
[14:29] <venkata> firefox and chrome displaying well... before i touched with this fonts
[14:29] <James147> GirlyGirl: which "old folder icons" do you refer to?
[14:29] <GirlyGirl> hmm I can't reproduce this issue but then again I am on kde 4.7
[14:30] <venkata> oh..i have tried some other distros like pclinuxos 2011 and kubuntu 10.10 .. on both i cud reproduce the issue
[14:30] <James147> venkata: GTK applications have their own configs which should be further down the list to where the fonts configs are
[14:32] <GirlyGirl> James147: folder icons in kde 4.0 to 4.6 oxygen
[14:32] <venkata> james147:yes i have tried the settings  "use kde fonts in kde apps " and manually setting the other font..
[14:32] <venkata> both havent gave any change
[14:34] <James147> venkata: try creating a symlink from ~/.gtkrc-2.0-kde4 to ~/.gtkrc-2.0 (ln -s ~/.gtkrc-2.0-kde4 ~/.gtkrc-2.0)
[14:35] <James147> GirlyGirl: need to find a copy of them I would guess, and install it manually as a different theme, could look on kde-look.org or see if you can find the actual icons
[14:35] <venkata> i dont have gtkrc folder in my home folder
[14:35] <James147> . means its hidden
[14:35] <venkata> ya...
[14:36] <venkata> ls -a
[14:36] <venkata> cudnot show
[14:36] <venkata> sorry james147 i thought thats a folder
[14:36] <venkata> i could see as a file
[14:36] <James147> venkata: yeah, they are files :)
[14:39] <venkata> i could see some polish on fonts
[14:39] <venkata> now...
[14:39] <venkata> but not as when installed first
[14:39] <venkata> thanks james147
[14:40] <ionite> how can i increase my diskcache?
[15:02] <ionite> how can i increase my diskcache?
[15:04] <Peace-> ionite: you mean  the disk part that the system use like ram _
[15:04] <Peace-> _
[15:04] <ionite> yea? idunoe
[15:05] <Peace-> swap  is the hardisk partition that linucs uses like ram
[15:05] <ionite> oic. thanks peace!!:)
[15:05] <ionite> Peace-: so the more swap the higher ram?
[15:06] <Peace-> welll how many gig of ram have you
[15:06] <ionite> 2gb
[15:07] <Peace-> swap ?
[15:07] <Peace-> i mean how many of swap ?
[15:09] <ionite> Peace-: 1gb
[15:09] <Peace-> ionite: well you will not able to hibernate your system
[15:10] <ionite> Peace-: how can i increase the swap ?
[15:10] <Peace-> ionite: partion manager
[15:10] <Peace-> you need to unmount swap
[15:10] <ionite> Peace-: more swap means faster?
[15:10] <Peace-> unmount one partition that you can reduce
[15:10] <Peace-> no
[15:11] <Peace-> swap is the hardisk that is used like ram
[15:11] <Peace-> so... if the system is under strong pressure it can handle anyway
[15:11] <Peace-> the fast memory is always the ram
[15:11] <Peace-> so you need to buy ram to get a faster system
[15:11] <Peace-> or disable some advanced feature of kde
[15:13] <Peace-> ionite: http://nowardev.wordpress.com/2011/03/24/configure-kubuntu-for-everyone/
[15:16] <ionite> thanks
[15:33] <grobda24> has anyone had abroken xorg with recent kde updates ?
[16:34] <rhkfin> KDE task manager, I have 'Waiting for disk' or similar in CPU% column. Does it mean that the process is - stopped because of (slow) disk operation?
[16:39] <James147> rhkfin: yes
[16:41] <rhkfin> James147: ok.. I've thought that my disks are slow but never been able to 'prove' it..
[16:41] <James147> thats not really proof ^^
[16:41] <James147> it just means the process is waiting for something to be loaded
[16:41] <rhkfin> hmm..
[16:41] <rhkfin> true..
[16:43] <James147> rhkfin: try using hdparm to test the read speed ^^ its good enough to give you a rough guide as to your disks premormance
[16:43] <James147> (sudo hdparm -t /dev/sda)  << note the drive not the partition
[16:44] <rhkfin> ok thanks, will do
[16:46] <James147> rhkfin: there are also varius things to can do to try and help (such as setting noatime on the mount options (in fstab)  to stop it updating the access times when a file is read
[16:46] <rhkfin> I run Raid1 and the result shows 53MB/s for / 'disk' and 63 for /home
[16:46] <rhkfin> Sound's good. I've read about that earlier but never tried..
[16:47] <rhkfin> Any other way to enable noatime (in fstab) but restart?
[16:48] <James147> rhkfin: placing it in fstab means it will use though options at boot, and can manually remount hte file systems with the option to do it without rebooting
[16:50] <rhkfin> can't do that on root without rebooting..? home might be possible but.. restarting doesn't take that long anyway :)
[16:51] <James147> rhkfin: you can do it on root
[16:51] <James147> just need to remount (basically allows you to change options)
[16:51] <rhkfin> ah, ok..
[16:51] <James147> but yes :) reboot shouldnt take long
[17:04] <BSODLOL> Evenin' all. Trying to install Synaptic Package Manager on Kubuntu 11.04, libgtk2.0 is installed, but won't install from terminal, do I need to add a specific repository for this?
[17:05] <BSODLOL> "Package synaptic is not available, but is referred to by another package.This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[17:05] <BSODLOL> is only available from another source"
[17:06] <James147> BSODLOL: Probally under a different name ^^ have you tried searching for it?
[17:07] <BSODLOL> I typed "synaptic" into kpackageKit and it just brings up some xorg driver for a touchpad
[17:08] <BSODLOL> Using kpackagekit after being used to synaptic is extremely painful :(
[17:08] <James147> BSODLOL: try moun ^^
[17:09] <BSODLOL> I'm guessing I just need to add a repo, I just have no idea which :)
[17:10] <James147> BSODLOL: you shouldnt need to ^^
[17:10] <James147> BSODLOL: have you updated the package lists?
[17:12]  * rhkfin likes to use wajig as package installer
[17:12] <rhkfin> But yes, synaptic is the package that should be available to install synaptic
[17:12] <BSODLOL> James147: You mean like "apt-get update" ? If so, this is what I get in response:
[17:12] <BSODLOL> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/apt/lists/lock - open (11: Resource temporarily unavailable)
[17:12] <BSODLOL> E: Unable to lock directory /var/lib/apt/lists/
[17:12] <rhkfin> James147: I decided to have a look at my boot scripts and now finally restart :)
[17:12] <James147> BSODLOL: Close any other package manager you might ahve open
[17:13] <BSODLOL> The only things I have up are Rekonq, Quassel and Konsole
[17:14] <James147> BSODLOL: and you ran apt-get update as root?
[17:14] <BSODLOL> "sudo apt-get update" was the command I used yes :)
[17:15] <James147> BSODLOL: are you sure there is nothing else running? if so delete the lock file (if there is doing so can cause more problems)
[17:16] <BSODLOL> Oh how irritating, update manager restarted itself, minimized to notification area >.<
[17:16] <James147> BSODLOL: but anyway... http://packages.ubuntu.com/natty/synaptic  the package does exist, so you should be able to install it, hoever i do suggest  giving muon a try :)
[17:17] <BSODLOL> James147: What's the advantage of using Muon over Synaptic? (In your opinion)
[17:17] <James147> BSODLOL: for one its intergrated in kde rather then gtk
[17:18] <James147> BSODLOL: though I have never really used either programs extensivally :)
[17:18] <BSODLOL> James147: And you can select multiple files for install/uninstall etc just the same?
[17:18] <James147> what package manager cannot do that?
[17:19] <BSODLOL> Ubuntu Software Center LOL
[17:19] <James147> O-o
[17:20] <BSODLOL> Just had a quick look on the website, think I'll stick with Synaptic, perfect layout (can't teach old dog new tricks etc) :p
[17:22] <James147> BSODLOL: really? looks the same layout to me :S
[17:26] <rhkfin> BSODLOL: if you had update manager running, it's the reason why you couldn't use sudo apt-get update
[17:26] <BSODLOL> And it's working again, without any changes from me, how odd (apt-get update and install synaptic)
[17:28] <rhkfin> James147: will have a look at myon though :)
[17:33] <rhkfin> Hmm.. I run powertop and allowed USB to go to powersave mode.. Now my wireless mouse is not smooth any more :D
[17:34] <James147> rhkfin: thats becase the usb suspends ^^
[17:34] <BSODLOL> rhkfin: thanks for reminding me to switch off all the power saving stuff / screen saver etc :p
[17:34] <James147> powertop dosnt make permint settings so a reboot will undo what it did
[17:35] <rhkfin> James147: yes - and I now have no idea how to switch it off..
[17:35] <rhkfin> ah ok..
[17:35] <rhkfin> BSODLOL: you're welcome :)
[17:35] <rhkfin> -> booting.....
[17:39] <BSODLOL> typed ubuntu-restricted-extras instead of kubuntu *cries*
[17:42] <rhkfin> autch....
[17:43] <rhkfin> Hmm.. interesting.. restricted-extras seems to be a meta package for ubuntu-restricted-addons
[17:43] <rhkfin> (that installs gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly, flashplugin-installer, gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad, gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg, icedtea6-plugin, gstreamer0.10-fluendo-mp3
[17:43] <BSODLOL> and the download speed is maxing out at 185kb/s
[17:44] <BSODLOL> even though my ISP provides 10mb/s lol :(
[17:44] <rhkfin> You have plenty of time to abort the installetion of ubuntu-R-E
[17:44] <rhkfin> -> ctrl+C
[17:49] <James147> BSODLOL: probally the mirror then
[17:51] <BSODLOL> James147: Must be, almost there! *stares at slowly moving progress bar*
[18:14] <artur> люди. как поменять кодировку что б было видно русский текст ?
[18:17] <rhkfin> artur: this is english channel (but I can read that you write something about russki text video :)
[19:48] <kobus_> is the network manager in 11.04 broken?
[19:48] <ArchangelSe7en> it is basically broken in all releases :P
[19:49] <ArchangelSe7en> thats why I usually replace it with WICD .... what's wrong though
[19:49] <mfraz74> seems ok here
[19:51] <mfraz74> kobus_: what version of kde are you using?
[19:51] <kobus_> mfraz74: 4.6
[19:52] <mfraz74> kobus_: have you tried 4.7?
[19:53] <kobus_> mfraz74: no, i just installed Kubuntu 11.04. do you recommend it?
[19:53] <mfraz74> kobus_: i haven't had any trouble with it, and i'm using it on 4 computers
[19:55] <kobus_> mfraz74: do i use Kubuntu 11.06 and then install kde 4.7 and remove 4.6?
[19:56] <mfraz74> kobus_: no you add the kubuntu backports repository and do an update
[19:56] <kobus_> mfraz74: on kubuntu 11.04?
[19:56] <mfraz74> yes
[19:57] <James147> kobus_: can you define "broken" ... it dosnt really tell us much
[19:59] <kobus_> mfraz74: i have tried a couple of times to connect to a wireless network. i was asking for help, since my first option is that i'm just stupid
[20:00] <mfraz74> kobus_: are you able to see your network?
[20:00] <kobus_> i add a wireless network and i can't figure out how to connect to it
[20:00] <mfraz74> what security are you using?
[20:00] <James147> kobus_: what encryption type?
[20:00] <kobus_> wpa2
[20:01] <kobus_> i connect to the same network with the same setting on this laptop running Kubuntu 10.04
[20:02] <kobus_> what i don't understand is how to use it. because if you click on the network in the taskbar applet it show the details of the network. there seems to be no way to connect to the network
[20:03] <mfraz74> what network card are you using?
[20:04] <Tigerboy> Hi, does anyone know how to change the size of a given mouse cursor? ... like in Gnome there is a resize slider in the mouse theme area.
[20:04] <James147> kobus_: there are two halfs to the applet, one side you have the inerfaces/info the other the networks
[20:05] <OerHeks> Tigerboy, cursortheme ?
[20:06] <OerHeks> type this in KDEmenu :-)
[20:06] <Tigerboy> no it's not in the settings area
[20:07] <kobus_> James147: intel centrino wireless-n 1030
[20:07] <Tigerboy> the cursor settings in kde only lets you change the theme
[20:07] <Tigerboy> no resizing
[20:07] <mfraz74> kobus_: have you tried setting the network up from within system settings?
[20:08] <kobus_> mfraz74: no, is that worth a try?
[20:08] <mfraz74> it might be
[20:08] <kobus_> mfraz74: ok, i will try. thanks!
[20:09] <mfraz74> kobus_: one thing that has been fixed in 4.7 is that you can have system wide wireless settings
[20:09] <kobus_> mfraz74: for all users?
[20:11] <mfraz74> kobus_: yes
[20:12] <kobus_> mfraz74: is 4.7 more stable? i've had a few crashes
[20:13] <mfraz74> kobus_: i've had a few crashes with amarok, but that's probably because that's a new version too
[20:13] <mfraz74> kobus_: i've also been trying out 11.10 on my netbook
[20:15] <kobus_> mfraz74: i've installed the proprietary nvidia driver and the systems seems less "nice"... some freezes after boot before you can use the system, screen flickers
[20:15] <kobus_> mfraz74: is there an oss nvidia driver?
[20:16] <mfraz74> kobus_: only Nouveau
[20:17] <kobus_> mfraz74: is 11.10 stable enough for a dev pc. i run virtualbox with windows vms for work projects
[20:17] <Terbaddo_> Hi, how to change the bootsplash in Natty ?
[20:17] <mfraz74> kobus_: no, it isn't stable yet. had 2 crashes this afternoon after trying out supertuxkart and extremetuxracer
[20:19] <kobus_> mfraz74: ok, but you think 4.7 is stable enough?
[20:19] <mfraz74> kobus_: yes
[20:20] <kobus_> mfraz74: thanks for you help. i will look at Nouveau and 4.7
[20:21] <SnackWhack> I'm a Linux novice, with very limited ability, but I thought I'd try Kubuntu with an old Dell Dimension 3000 I had sitting around. I installed it, but the graphics are screwy. The windows jump around and hide and don't refresh properly. Any ideas on what might be wrong?
[20:21] <mfraz74> SnackWhack: what graphics card are you using?
[20:21] <James147> kobus_: 4.7 should be as stable as 4.6 was for all the features in 4.6.5... but 4.7 adds new features that might not be as stable yet
[20:21] <SnackWhack> It's an Intel(R) Pro/100 VE
[20:22] <SnackWhack> at least that's what Windows said it was before I formatted it
[20:23] <kobus_> James147: ok, but october isn't that far away, so each update will hopefully be closer to release quality...
[20:24] <James147> kobus_: each month kde releases a maintance release (ie 4.7.X) these contain backported bugfixes are security fixes from the current development branch
[20:24] <mfraz74> my biggest concern with 11.10 at the moment is that they won't have digikam 2.0 ready - I don't want to go back to 1.9
[20:24] <trions> When I checkmark "Set date and time automatically" in "Adjust date and time" and press OK I get "Unable to contact time server: Public Time Server (pool.ntp.org)."
[20:25] <James147> kobus_: so 4.7.0 would be less stable then 4.7.1 or 4.7.2 ^^
[20:25] <SnackWhack> mfraz74: any ideas?
[20:25] <trions> also I get "Unable to authenticate/execute the action: 6, "
[20:25] <mfraz74> SnackWhack: not really, it could be that the graphics card isn't up to the job.
[20:26] <SnackWhack> hmmmm... I have some others sitting around. Let me see what I can find
[20:26] <mfraz74> try the dell forums
[20:26] <trions> How can I run "Date and Time" as sudo. What is the command?
[20:26] <SnackWhack> on the Dell site?
[20:26] <James147> SnackWhack: have you tried turning off desktop effects?
[20:27] <kobus_> James 147: so to get the fixes you have to switch to the latest maintenance release?
[20:27] <James147> kobus_: yes
[20:27] <SnackWhack> James147: nope. Can you walk me through doing that?
[20:27] <mfraz74> trions: I'm not sure, i've never figured that out. I always get an error when trying to activate that
[20:27] <James147> kobus_: I think kubuntu normally ships with x.x.2 or 3 depening on timeings of the releases
[20:28] <James147> SnackWhack: system settings > desktop effects
[20:28] <Terbaddo_> Ctrl+Alt+F12 to disable desktop fx
[20:28] <Terbaddo_> Ctrl+Shift+F12 *
[20:28] <James147> Terbaddo_: ^^ technically that toggles the effects on or off :)
[20:28] <Terbaddo_> ah lol
[20:29] <SnackWhack> James147:  I don't see desktop effects as an option
[20:29] <James147> SnackWhack: waht version of kde/kubuntu are yu using?
[20:29] <Terbaddo_> 3.5 lol
[20:29] <SnackWhack> mmmm... Most recent, just downloaded it last night. USB Install
[20:30] <SnackWhack> how can I verify version?
[20:30] <kobus_> James147: so if i install kubuntu 11.06 i will likely not get any kde fixes? that explains why i keep getting kde crashes on 10.04
[20:30]  * SnackWhack <- Windows guy obviously
[20:30] <James147> SnackWhack: and kde application > help > about kde (for kde version)
[20:30] <James147> kobus_: there is no kubuntu 11.06 is there?
[20:31] <SnackWhack> James147: 4.6.2
[20:31] <kobus_> James147: :-) sorry 11.04...
[20:31] <James147> SnackWhack: then you should have system settings > desktop effect as far as I remember
[20:31] <Terbaddo_> @ SnackWhack Any KDE applications > Help > About KDE
[20:32] <SnackWhack> Terbaddo_: yep, 4.6.2
[20:32] <James147> kobus_: why would you not get kde fixes with the latest kubuntu?
[20:32] <SnackWhack> any way to disable desktop effects from command line?
[20:32] <mfraz74> there is, but i can't remember how to
[20:32] <James147> SnackWhack: press alt+shift+F12 to toggle it on and off
[20:33] <mfraz74> i would've thought that if the system was running that slow, it would've automatically turned effects off
[20:33] <James147> mfraz74: through dbus.. though it just toggles it on and off it i remember correctly (it basically does what that shortcut does ^^ )
[20:34] <James147> mfraz74: it should
[20:34] <kobus_> James147: what i inferred from your comment that the maintenance release contains backported fixes from the current dev branch
[20:34] <SnackWhack> it's working better :)
[20:34] <DaemonFC> or you can switch it to xrender if your hardware is too slow
[20:34] <DaemonFC> that gets you some effects and it can be faster
[20:34] <James147> kobus_: kubuntu package the latest kde maintaince release in their pps:kubuntu-ppa repo :)
[20:34] <James147> http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-release-4.6.5
[20:35] <kobus_> James147: ok, the penny dropped!
[20:35] <mfraz74> once it has been tested, it goes into the main updates repo
[20:35] <SnackWhack> ok, found desktop effects ... was a PEBKAC error
[20:36] <SnackWhack> working much better now that it's off
[20:36] <mfraz74> SnackWhack: your graphics card can't handle 3d graphics then
[20:36] <James147> mfraz74: does it yet? I heard talk about *ubuntu updating some packages to newer version but i dont know which ones they currently are :)
[20:37] <SnackWhack> mfraz74: Cool. No biggie, it's just going to serve as a web server
[20:37] <kobus_> James147: i can't really recall seeing any kde updates in normal kubuntu updates...
[20:37] <James147> SnackWhack: you should go to system settings > desktop effects and actually turn it off ^^ that shorcut just suspends it
[20:37] <SnackWhack> being new to Kubuntu installations, is there anything else I should do after install a clean copy? I ran apt-get update and upgrade already....
[20:37] <mfraz74> James147: i'm sure that once they are happy with them in the kubuntu-ppa, it gets pushed to the normal updates repository.
[20:38] <SnackWhack> James147: I did. I found it.
[20:38] <James147> mfraz74: they didnt use to, as kubuntu dosnt normally push new versions of things to their repos during a release
[20:39] <mfraz74> SnackWhack: add the restricted extras like mp3 playbacck
[20:39] <James147> mfraz74: though I know they recently changed that for `some` packages
[20:39] <mfraz74> SnackWhack: it is kubuntu-restricted-extras
[20:39] <James147> SnackWhack: "kubuntu-restricted-extras" that is
[20:39] <James147> mfraz74:  :D
[20:39] <SnackWhack> mfraz74: I shouldn't need any bells and whistles on here. Just going to be a web server runing Apache and MySQL
[20:40] <soee> do you have problems with ktorrent? eve if i turn it off there is problem with my connection - ping jums from 60-150, pages wont work etc. it happens only if i start ktorrent and is running or if i turn it off - i have to restart my pc to get connection normal
[20:40] <James147> SnackWhack: if its just a web server why do you need a gui at all ?
[20:40] <mfraz74> SnackWhack: you didn't really need to install kubuntu then, could've just had ubuntu server
[20:40] <SnackWhack> mfraz74: Cause I had a hard time installing it, and Kubuntu made it easy :)
[20:41] <James147> SnackWhack: fair enough... though if your going to be running a server its best to learn the command line
[20:41] <mfraz74> SnackWhack: i found upgrading ubuntu server a lot easier than upgrading kubuntu
[20:41] <James147> mfraz74: easier? or less troublesome?
[20:41] <mfraz74> bought one of those hp proliant servers in december
[20:41] <SnackWhack> Once I get more familiar with this environment, I'm sure I'll make a lot of changes
[20:42] <SnackWhack> it's nice to be in a Linux environment though
[20:42] <mfraz74> James147: less troublesome I suppose. it was just ssh in, run the command and leave it
[20:42] <SnackWhack> sick and tired of Windows viruses
[20:42] <James147> mfraz74:  :) since everything you can do on the server you can do on the desktop :D
[20:42] <mfraz74> with kubuntu, i had to purge some ppas first and then add all the ppas back in afterwards
[20:43] <James147> SnackWhack: yup :) though that dosnt mean you should be sloopy with security, linux can get them as well... though its a lot harder to do so
[20:43] <SnackWhack> James147: vows not to be sloopy!
[20:43] <James147> mfraz74: thats a customisation you have made to the system
[20:43] <mfraz74> James147: true
[20:44] <James147> mfraz74: which always adds a complication
[20:44] <mfraz74> i do like having squid-deb-proxy on the server :)
[20:44] <mfraz74> James147: there was also more config files that had changed and it kept asking what version i wanted to keep
[20:53] <kyubutsu> how to install !gnash
[20:57] <James147> kyubutsu: umm... sudo apt-get install gnash
[20:58] <kyubutsu> will it work with rekonq automatically
[21:06] <mauri> when kde starts , nautilus starts also.... why?
[21:08] <Terbaddo_> Surely because you had nautilus open when you logged out
[21:09] <Terbaddo_> System settings > Startup and shutdown > Session management > On Login
[21:09] <Terbaddo_> Then you select "Start with an empty session"
[21:18] <jmichaelx> when i saw that another round of 4.7 updates were available, i mistakenly got my hopes up that they would fix some of the many blatant (in my case, at least) bugs in this version of KDE.... no such luck
[21:22] <alcom> how to open vdk2 ?
[21:23] <Shirakawasuna> which bugs, jmichaelx?
[21:23] <jmichaelx> Shirakawasuna: where should i start?
[21:23] <Shirakawasuna> I keep hoping they'll allow panel icons to resize arbitrarily large
[21:23] <Shirakawasuna> as opposed to something like 32x32 or 48x48, which are the current stupid limits
[21:25] <jmichaelx> Shirakawasuna: i (very stupidly) upgraded 3 machines to 4.7. on all three, icons remain in the task manager ofter the corresponding windows have been closed. the highlighting of icons in the task manager is messed up....
[21:25] <BSODLOL> James147: I take it all back, Muon is impressive. :)
[21:25] <Shirakawasuna> jmichaelx: ah, so you're talking about 4.7-specific bugs
[21:26] <jmichaelx> the system tray, while not as broken, has some weird spacing issues (not the hugest deal), and then there's the calendar widget....
[21:26] <jmichaelx> Shirakawasuna: yea, i had none of these problems in 4.6
[21:26] <Shirakawasuna> Yeah, I wish the kde devs would focus more on squashing bugs than new features... which was apparently one of the focuses of 4.7...
[21:27] <jmichaelx> Shirakawasuna: many KDE bugs live on and on
[21:27] <Shirakawasuna> if you create a new user, jmichaelx, do you still see those problems? Some of it could be related to old .kde settings
[21:27] <jmichaelx> Shirakawasuna: no, a new user has the same issues
[21:28] <jmichaelx> this is probably relatively minor, but yakuake is not saving to bash history... pretty annoying
[21:29] <jmichaelx> all of these things put together leave the impression that KDE has no quality control in place at all
[21:29] <Shirakawasuna> yakuake isn't part of the main kde packages
[21:29] <Shirakawasuna> bother Sho
[21:29] <Shirakawasuna> (in #kde)
[21:30] <jmichaelx> yeah, i though as much... was not sure about yakuake
[21:30] <Shirakawasuna> first make sure it's yakuake and not konsole
[21:30] <jmichaelx> konsole is fine
[21:30] <Shirakawasuna> k
[21:30] <Shirakawasuna> another thing is that different tabs on yakuake will remember different histories
[21:30] <BSODLOL> I like various aspects of ubuntu, kubuntu, xubuntu, but which-ever I install, I spend a long time removing unwanted software, adding what I do like etc, is there not a "bare minimum" release? with just the essentials needed to run?
[21:30] <jmichaelx> as far as i can tell, it is only yakuake...
[21:30] <Shirakawasuna> (same with konsole)
[21:31] <Terbaddo_> @ jmichaelx YOu have to close Yakuake "safely"
[21:31] <Shirakawasuna> if I want to search through my history, sometimes I have to open say... 5 tabs and ctrl+r on each
[21:31] <jmichaelx> yes, i knoew that... i have been a KDE user for years
[21:31] <Terbaddo_> If you close Konsole unsafely, history isn't saved
[21:32] <jmichaelx> yakuake has had this issue a few other times in the past. it gets fixed, then comes back again.... gets fixed, comes back again
[21:33] <jmichaelx> Terbaddo_: yakuake had not been doing this through the past several kubuntu iterations
[21:34] <jmichaelx> Terbaddo_: i don't think that the idea with yakuake is that you are supposed to close it before logging out
[21:36] <jmichaelx> sorry, experiencing packet loss here
[21:41] <kobus_> James147: just a question about knetworkmanager again. is there some documentation explaining how it works? i still don't get how it is supposed to work!
[21:42] <kobus_> James147: i don't get the edit box with the "type a connection name and press enter"
[21:42] <James147> kobus_: what do you see? (screenshot would be good)
[21:43] <kobus_> James147: oops its on another machine and i can't get the networking going
[21:47] <kobus_> James147: will post shortly...
[21:49] <kyubutsu> how do i check if rekonq is using gnash
[21:51] <kyubutsu> i installed gnash but i get no playback on youtube
[21:53] <DaemonFC> meaning it is operating normally
[21:53] <DaemonFC> :)
[22:06]  * kyubutsu installs openjdk-7-jre
[22:13] <kobus_> James147: where should i paste the image?
[22:33] <Daskreech> kobus_: you can use the pastebin plasmoid or imagebin.com
[22:35] <aguitel> is kdesu avaleable in kde?
[22:36] <yofel> we have kdesudo
[22:38] <aguitel> kdesudo not open file for me
[22:39] <soee> yofel, therewere some updates yesterday i thik related KDE are they any importnat ?
[22:40] <yofel> aguitel: uh... what are you trying to do?
[22:40] <yofel> soee: updates for what from where?
[22:40] <soee> kde-workspaces etc not sure now - from backposrts i think
[22:41] <aguitel> yofel, open /etc/apt/sources.list file
[22:41] <yofel> aguitel: kdesudo kate /etc/apt/sources.list
[22:42] <aguitel> yofel, nothing happens
[22:42] <yofel> soee: ah, that was cherry picking the 4.7.1 fixes for kde bug 262487 and kde bug 264914
[22:43] <yofel> since the automatic launcher creation is rather broken in 4.7.0
[22:43] <yofel> aguitel: and 'kdesudo kwrite /etc/apt/sources.list' ?
[22:44] <aguitel> yofel, nothing happens
[22:44] <yofel> aguitel: odd, can you run konsole and run kdesudo kate in there?
[22:44] <aguitel> yes
[22:45] <soee> yofel, ok thank you
[23:21] <jmichaelx> Shirakawasuna: so, i discussed this issue i am having with yakuake with Sho, and he basically confirmed what you had told me.... so my question is, would kubuntu have somehow messed with bashrc when upgrading from maverick to natty?
[23:24] <Shirakawasuna> dunno, jmichaelx. It certainly installs its own .bashrc for your user on the first installation
[23:25] <Shirakawasuna> ls -lat ~ | grep history
[23:25] <jmichaelx> Shirakawasuna: yes
[23:25] <Shirakawasuna> maybe you'll get lucky and there's two files ;)
[23:27] <jmichaelx> nope, just one
[23:53] <Snowhog> jmichaelx: It is very unlikely that a 'users' .bashrc file would have been affected by any OS upgrade. Are you referring to the /etc/bash.bashrc or /etc/skel/.bashrc file by chance?
[23:53] <jmichaelx> Snowhog: may be more something in bash profile
[23:55] <jmichaelx> Snowhog: i thought i had remembered having this problem for a while several years ago, too, and came across this forum thread: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=418552
[23:55] <Snowhog> jmichaelx: Only if you made customization changes to the /etc/skel/.bashrc file (used when creating a new user account) would it be subject to 'change' on an OS upgrade, but even then, it should be seen as 'changed' and prompt the user as to keeping or replacing it on an upgrade.
[23:57] <jmichaelx> Snowhog: i do not know exactly what may have changed, but something caused a change in behavior after upgrading to natty... i am seeing this across 6 machines or so
[23:57] <Snowhog> jmichaelx: Comming in on this late, so what changes are you seeing?
[23:58] <jmichaelx> Snowhog: well, mainly just that since upgrading to natty, bash sessions in yakuake are not being saved to .bash_history..... bash session in konsole get saved just fine