[00:06] <marge_simpson> Hi, where do I put an app to start automatically when I login, please?
[00:11] <marge_simpson> Wakey, wakey, hands off snakey!  Anybody there?
[00:15] <maxpolk> marge_simpson: menu | Preferences | Desktop Session Settings
[00:17] <maxpolk> If it's not there, try http://wiki.lxde.org/en/Autostart
[00:18] <Unit193> marge_simpson: The Lubuntu FAQs can be found at: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/FAQ and should provide you with the info you need
[00:22] <marge_simpson> Thanks folks (had to answer Nature's call there...) BFN
[00:24] <phillw> marge_simpson: read the topic next time, much easier :D
[00:30] <KM0201> why is it, i can find a samba connection in pyneighborhood,and connect to it, but i can't see it in "network paces" on PCmanFM
[00:33] <KM0201> phillw: any ideas?
[00:34] <phillw> KM0201: pyneighboorhood was dropped as it did not work.
[00:34] <phillw> pcmanfm can quite happily handle samba
[00:34] <KM0201> phillw: well, strangely, it works fine, but pcman can't even see it
[00:34] <KM0201> thus my problem
[00:35] <KM0201> wait, i think i figured out the problem
[00:35] <KM0201> yeah, i ddi.
[00:35] <phillw> KM0201: have you got the up to date version of pcmanfm & I'd also hazard a guess at two systems wanting access to one system is not going to happy?
[00:35] <KM0201> weird, but ok
[00:36] <KM0201> naa, i got it.
[01:19] <maxpolk> I'm trying to track down the name of the Lubuntu package that lets you configure the network proxy ( like http://www.ubuntugeek.com/how-to-configure-ubuntu-desktop-to-use-your-proxy-server.html )
[01:20] <Unit193> Give me a sec
[01:20] <maxpolk> I ran into ubuntu-system-service but that's a seemingly back-end python package
[01:20] <Unit193> Found the libproxy0 lib
[01:21] <maxpolk> I ran into gnome-control-center, but that installs regular ubuntu stuff and the Unity desktop too
[01:21] <Unit193> Even with --no-install-recommends ?
[01:21] <maxpolk> oh, let me try that
[01:26] <maxpolk> I'll try it, but it seems like a lot of extra packages: http://pastebin.com/7P4wEJvz
[01:28] <maxpolk> 2.5M, not a whole lot actually
[01:29] <Unit193> Some things, no matter how small, you wouldn't want to install
[01:33] <maxpolk> I went a long way, I'll just open a bug I think
[01:33] <maxpolk> Didn't help at all, removed it
[01:34] <Unit193> purge? sudo apt-get autoremove --purge   too?
[01:35] <maxpolk> nice, I'll remember that one
[01:35] <Unit193> Yeah... I do that one too much...
[01:35] <maxpolk> and it removed a bunch of stuff too
[01:58] <maxpolk> what is the name of the Lubuntu installer?  won't accept a bug report without a package name
[01:58] <maxpolk> found "debian-installer" in one place, not sure that's it
[01:58] <Unit193> ubiquity
[01:59] <maxpolk> Thanks!
[01:59] <Unit193> !info ubiquity
[01:59] <Unit193> Yep, spelling and all!
[02:05] <maxpolk> Is there a way to open a bug report without the boatloads of info?  It's a logical bug during installation, not related to hardware whatsoever.
[02:05] <maxpolk> plus, it was from a different machine
[02:07] <maxpolk> launchpad.net doesn't let you just type in a new bug I don't think
[02:07] <Unit193> http://bugs.launchpad.net
[02:09] <Unit193> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+filebug
[02:09] <Unit193> Making me do all the work... ;)
[02:09] <maxpolk> D'oh, so sorry!!!
[02:12] <maxpolk> stupid question -- does it matter I'm filing against ubuntu / ubiquity instead of lubuntu / ubiquity?
[02:13] <Unit193> Shouldn't really, but I'm no bug expert
[02:13] <Unit193> #ubuntu-bugs may help if I can't (I donm't really mind)
[09:17] <Unudidntu> hi. In Lubuntu live, I have no Ifree remaining. How do I fixit?
[09:19] <leszek> hi
[09:33] <Unudidntu> hi?
[09:44]  * Unudidntu will be back later
[12:37] <pcman> hi
[12:41] <sagaci> hi
[12:43] <newbie2011> Question: I'm installing xubuntu along with Ubuntu + Windows, how do I make it so that xubuntu doesn't install a boot loader, where I could just do a update-grub on Ubuntu ?
[12:44] <newbie2011> it says Device for boot loader installation:   ?
[12:49] <sagaci> might be better in #xubuntu...?
[12:50] <newbie2011> i might go there, but installation is the same anyway, lubuntu installation is based off of lubuntu anyway
[12:51] <newbie2011> lubuntu installation is base of xubuntu*
[18:13] <bhm> Ubuntu One on Lubuntu? How does one install it? The sources on ubuntugeek, ubuntuforum, etc. are sparse with details. Does anyone have good experiences?
[18:13] <KM0201> bhm: just install it?
[18:13] <KM0201> apt-get install?
[18:14] <KM0201> i don't use ubuntu one, but it can't be that difficult.
[18:14] <bhm> I have used apt-get install ubuntuone-client but am missing the last step to link my folders to the cloud
[18:14] <KM0201> i use dropbox, it works fine (granted, free account only has 2gigs of storage, instead of 5)
[18:15] <KM0201> bhm: don't you have to do that via the web interface?
[18:16] <bhm> Dropbox not an option :-) Must be ubuntu one. Web is manual. Ubuntuone client from gnome synchronises for me on 10.04 LTS but I want to have access to the same files from lubuntu
[18:16] <bhm> Shouldn't PCMan have similar capability?
[18:17] <Unit193> Try installing   ubuntuone-control-panel-gtk   PCmanFM won't have the right-click to check where the files are on the site
[18:18] <jmarsden> Unit193: ubuntuone-control-panel-gtk is the program, ubuntuone-client is the package.
[18:18] <bhm> install message confirms unit193's statement
[18:18] <jmarsden> So sudo apt-get install ubuntuone-client     and then  run the program called    ubuntuone-control-panel-gtk
[18:18] <Unit193> !info ubuntuone-control-panel-gtk
[18:19] <Unit193> That's a package
[18:19] <jmarsden> Interesting... I just installed ubuntuone-client and it provided the binary ubuntuone-control-panel-gtk ... :)
[18:19] <jmarsden> That's in a Oneiric alpha, maybe the packaging changed recently?
[18:20] <Unit193> Version 1.0.0-0ubuntu1.1 (natty)
[18:20] <bhm> $ ubuntuone-control-panel-gtk result: importerror: no module named controlpanel.gtk
[18:24] <Unit193> jmarsden: So you just installed ubuntuone-client and had everything you needed?
[18:25] <Unit193> Not in depends/recommends I would assume
[18:25] <jmarsden> Seems like it... I don't think I had previously installed anything ubuntuone related... will check a little further...
[18:25] <jmarsden> Maybe the new installer setup includes some of the ubuntuone stuff by default in Oneiric?
[18:26] <bhm> sudo apt-get install ubuntuone-client gives me the whole package and puts ubuntu one in the start menu under preferences. But it does not respond when activated.
[18:26] <Unit193> http://paste.ubuntu.com/671166/ I can check later today about UbuntuOne in Oneiric
[18:31] <bhm> alrighty... what does paste.ubuntu.com/671166/ mean?
[18:31] <jmarsden> bhm: It is a list of all the ubuntuone stuff Unit193 has installed.
[18:32] <bhm> ok and that one works?
[18:32] <jmarsden> I don't know if it works for him... some package names have changed in Oneiric, I don't have an Lubuntu Natty VM I can test this on right now...
[18:33]  * jmarsden makes mental note to keep more VMs around :)
[18:33] <Unit193> Sadly, that's not on Lubuntu though (Not at the Lubuntu one, and it doesn't have U1 installed anyway)
[18:33] <Unit193> How many VMs do you have?
[18:34] <jmarsden> Right now, 15.  I don't run them all at once, obviously :)
[18:34] <bhm> i've got a VM running in virtualbox. How may I help?
[18:35] <jmarsden> well, if it is running Lubuntu 11.04 Natty as a gust OS, you could install the packages listed by Unit193 in that pastebin page and see if they work...
[18:35] <bhm> apt-get the whole list?
[18:36] <jmarsden> I'd apt-get ubuntuone-client and then check to see if the others are already installed , and install any of the rest that are not present.
[18:36] <Unit193> I didn't need to even do that, they were recommends
[18:37] <jmarsden> OK... then... we ned to find out why bhm is seeing that importerror: no module named controlpanel.gtk
[18:37] <bhm> so climbing the learning curve quickly: how would you check what is installed? synaptic list?
[18:37] <jmarsden> bhm: dpkg -l |grep ^ii | grep ubuntuone     would be one way....
[18:37] <Unit193> dpkg -l |grep words here  (Me personally)
[18:38] <bhm> one moment...
[18:41] <bhm> all packages are there, plus some... (ran dpkg -l | grep ^ii | grep ubuntuone
[18:42] <jmarsden> And you still see that import error if you run the ubuntuone-control-panel-gtk  program?
[18:44] <bhm> jep: Traceback: File "/usr/bin/ubuntuone-control-panel-gtk", line 29 in <module> from ubuntuone.controlpanel.gtk import TRANSLATION_DOMAIN .....  ImportError
[18:44] <jmarsden> Ah, that's a different error from the one you posted last time!
[18:45] <jmarsden> Can you pastebin the whole traceback for us to read please?
[18:45] <bhm> sorry, but they are the same. I must have been too sparse in my previous message. How do I pastebin and where should I put it?
[18:45] <bhm> :-)
[18:46] <Unit193> I would think you could use pastebinit
[18:46] <Unit193> But I'm going to let jmarsden take over since he's a dev :P
[18:47] <jmarsden> Right, you can manually browse to http://paste.ubuntu.com and paste in the text with the mouse, or you can use pastebinit
[18:48] <bhm> ok. and the traceback? just the text from the cmdline or something more informative?
[18:48] <bhm> http://paste.ubuntu.com
[18:49] <jmarsden> Yes, all the text that showed up in the command window from the command you typed to the prompt after it displayed the traceback
[18:49] <jmarsden> You'll need to tell us the URL it pastebins to...
[18:49] <bhm> coming up. VM not that fast :-)
[18:49] <jmarsden> If you want to automate it, something like   ubuntuone-control-panel-gtk 2>&1 |pastebinit -b http://paste.ubuntu.com
[18:50] <Unit193> paste.ubuntu.com is currently default anyway
[18:50] <bhm> paste.ubuntu.com/671185/
[18:51] <jmarsden> bhm: OK.  By the way, if you used the whole URL including the http: the link would be clickable and so easier for us to use :)
[18:52] <bhm> my apologies....
[18:52] <jmarsden> Looks like a bug or there is a python module you are missing... let me try to find where that module is on my system...
[18:54] <jmarsden> I *think* that's a bug.. want to try editing one line of the Python code to see if I can fix it?
[18:54] <bhm> :-)
[18:55] <jmarsden> What does     locate ubuntuone.controlpanel     output on your system?
[18:57] <bhm> /usr/share/dbus-1/services/com.ubuntuone.controlpanel.gui.service
[18:57] <bhm> and
[18:57] <bhm> /usr/share/dbus-1/services/com.ubuntuone.controlpanel.service
[18:59] <jmarsden> OK.  So I think we can try editing one line of the file /usr/bin/ubuntuone-control-panel-gtk
[18:59] <bhm> vim?
[18:59] <jmarsden> well, we could, but I think I can do a oneliner with sed or perl instead... give me a sec...
[18:59] <bhm> :-)
[19:02] <jmarsden> sudo perl -p -i.bak -e 's/ubuntuone.controlpanel.gtk/ubuntuone.controlpanel/' /usr/bin/ubuntuone-control-panel-gtk
[19:02] <bhm> in progress...
[19:04] <bhm> cmdline happy
[19:04] <jmarsden> OK, now does running     ubuntuone-control-panel-gtk    work?
[19:06] <bhm> http://paste.ubuntu.com/671197/
[19:07] <jmarsden> Hmmm.  OK, you really do seem to have some chunk of Python module(s) missing.
[19:08] <jmarsden> sudo mv /usr/bin/ubuntuone-control-panel-gtk.bak /usr/bin/ubuntuone-control-panel-gtk
[19:08] <jmarsden> will undo my patch.
[19:08] <bhm> in progress
[19:08] <jmarsden> Then we need to try and find out exactly what file(s) you are missing and what packages they are in...
[19:10] <bhm> my update manager has just announced it wants to restart
[19:10] <bhm> may i suggest restart and then contrinue?
[19:10] <jmarsden> Go ahead, if you want to.  Then when it comes back, try   dpkg -l python-ubuntuone-control-panel   and tell me what it says, please.
[19:11] <bhm> VM rebooting...
[19:14] <jmarsden> I suspect your machine either does not have, or cannot "see", the files from the package  python-ubuntuone-control-panel
[19:14] <jmarsden> Did it come back up yet?
[19:14] <bhm> yep. got a new message. putting on pastebin...
[19:15] <bhm> http://paste.ubuntu.com/671208/
[19:16] <jmarsden> Looks fine... hmmm.  OK, let's try    find /usr/lib -name ubuntuone-control-panel |xargs ls -ld
[19:18] <bhm> hmmm
[19:18] <bhm> no such file or dir
[19:19] <jmarsden> OK... so there is the issue.  Teh package claims to be installed but the files it installs are missing!
[19:19] <bhm> xargs: ls-ld: no such file or dir
[19:19] <jmarsden> Oh... no space between ls and -ld ?
[19:19] <bhm> aaah....
[19:20] <jmarsden> cut and paste the command from IRC into your VM to avoid that kind of issue... it is also usually faster than retyping stuff.
[19:20] <bhm> How do you do that from virtualbox?
[19:20] <bhm> find /usr/lib -name ubuntuone-control-panel |xargs ls -ld
[19:20] <jmarsden> Do you have the guest additions installed in the gust OS?
[19:20] <jmarsden> s/gust/guest/
[19:21] <bhm> probably not. I just installed vbox and currently run lubuntu in that as a default install
[19:22] <bhm> anyway the files are /usr/lib/pymodules/python2.7/ubuntuone-control-panel and /usr/lib/ubuntuone-control-panel
[19:23] <jmarsden> OK... so they are there.  But apparently they are not being found by python...
[19:23] <jmarsden> What does    python --version     say?
[19:24] <bhm> python 2.7.1+
[19:25] <jmarsden> OK, sounds normal... this is odd.  and I'm being asked to to out for lunch with my family... I expect to be back in about 90 minutes, can we restart looking at this then?
[19:25] <bhm> :-) I'll grab some dinner in the meantime :-)
[19:25] <bhm> I'm in GMT timezone...
[19:26] <jmarsden> OK.  See you later.  I'm from the UK, but living in California.
[19:26] <bhm> Enjoy the lunch :-)
[21:25] <bhm> .
[21:31] <jmarsden> I'm back (and full)...
[21:32] <bhm> :-)
[21:32] <jmarsden> bhm: I set up a VM running Lubuntu 11.04 and after sudo apt-get install ubuntuone-client ubuntuone-control-panel
[21:32] <jmarsden> the thing "just works" for me.
[21:33] <bhm> testing
[21:35] <bhm> installation works smooth, but ubuntuone doesn't seem to respond.
[21:35] <bhm> I suggest to kill the VM and retry from a fresh iso.
[21:35] <jmarsden> If you run  ubuntuone-control-panel-gtk from a shell do you still get the traceback?
[21:35] <bhm> stand by
[21:36] <bhm> "command not found"
[21:36] <bhm> wait!
[21:36] <bhm> made a type.
[21:37] <bhm> Traceback: "/usr/bin/ubuntuone-control-panel-gtk", line 29 in module ... import TRANSLATION_DOMAIN
[21:37] <bhm> ImportError: No module named controlpanel.gtk
[21:38] <jmarsden> OK.  If I could duplicate that issue here, I could troubleshoot it.  But for me, it runs fine.
[21:38] <bhm> ok. I retry with a fresh 11.04 iso VM.
[21:38] <bhm> Was the lunch good?
[21:39] <jmarsden> Yes, thanks.  Our daughter is home for a couple of weeks before heading back to University, so it's good to spend time with her...
[21:39] <bhm> :-0
[21:39] <bhm> :-)
[21:46] <jmarsden> OK, I found a way to trace all module imports... if you want, you can try   python -v /usr/bin/ubuntuone-control-panel-gtk 2>&1 |pastebinit
[21:47] <jmarsden> I get http://paste.ubuntu.com/671292 from Oneiric...
[21:47] <jmarsden> But maybe a fresh VM is simpler :)
[21:48] <bhm> install is running....
[21:48] <KM0201> whats the name of that password tool?..  i thought it was supposed to be installed by default, but its not...
[21:48] <KM0201> (manages all the keyrings, etc..)
[21:49] <jmarsden> seahorse ?
[21:49] <KM0201> no..
[21:49] <KM0201> i don't think so.. lemmm echeck
[21:50] <KM0201> hmm, looking at the description, that might be it.
[21:50] <KM0201> lemme look
[21:50] <KM0201> yup, thats it
[21:51] <KM0201> thanks
[21:51] <jmarsden> You're welcome.
[21:51] <KM0201> jmarsden: i do have one more question, (little more along the lines of ubuntu server).. if you have a second
[21:51] <jmarsden> OK.
[21:52] <KM0201> ok, i was messing w/ vbox, trying to figure out how to rebuild a software raid 1, after a drive was removed, that went well, so long as i manually removed it, before importing/syncing a new drive.
[21:53] <KM0201> my question is, on a "live sytem".. lets assume a drive chokes... and you didn't have a chance to remove it from the RAID.. i tried removing a drive, and the server booted up, but it wouldn't let me modify the raid, because the old drive was "gone".
[21:53] <KM0201> would i have to delete the old raid(md0) and create a new one?
[21:54] <jmarsden> On md0 if you lose a drive, you lose that array, RAID0 has no redundancy... so probably yes.  I've only used RAID1 and RAID5 in Linux software RAID though.
[21:54] <KM0201> well its a raid 1 setup
[21:55] <jmarsden> For RAID1, you should be able to put a new drive in, and add it to the existing array with mdadm
[21:56] <KM0201> hmm, thats what i tried to do, but it wouldn't let me.
[21:56] <KM0201> kept saying the raid was invalid, if i recall.
[21:56] <KM0201> it showed md0, as "inactive"
[21:56] <jmarsden> It's been a while since I've done much with that, but you should pastebin what command you are trying and the exact error msg, and someone #ubuntu-server can probably help.
[21:58] <jmarsden> A RAID1 array with one failed drive should be fixable... does the idea in http://dougbunger.blogspot.com/2009/02/actinvating-inactive-raid-element.html help?
[22:00] <jmarsden> KM0201: Looks like stop, assemble, then add should work.
[22:08] <jmarsden> bhm: Is your fresh VM install completed yet?