[01:30] <escott> the newer version of ia32-libs no longer contains libssl3.so needed by nspluginwrapper. is the correct way to resolve this to install libnss3:i386 (which in turn pulls in libnspr and libsqlite?
[02:24] <len> escott, Are you trying to use 32-bit flash on a 64-bit system?  If so, just use the finalized 64-bit version, and you won't need to worry about  nspluginwrapper
[02:49] <escott> len, im just using what came with the system. i actually care less about what version of flash to use than not having firefox freeze up when a 32bit plugin cannot find a shared lib
[02:53] <len> escott, Are you finding a lot of firefox plugins only available in 32-bit versions?  As far as flash goes, if you install the flashaid plugin, it will find the lastest 64-bit version of flash for you and clean up duplicate flash paths
[02:53] <escott> len, is flashaid a ppa?
[02:54] <len> No, just install from inside firefox and a regular plug-in
[02:55] <len> as
[02:56] <escott> !ppa > escott
[02:58] <muntiKubu> is there a chance ffmpeg gets updated to 0.8.2 from 0.7.1?
[03:51] <Peddy> nautilus draws a menu bar at the top of the desktop, is this intended behaviour? can anyone else experience it with desktop icons enabled?
[03:52] <escott> Peddy, i've seen that when unity crashes
[03:54] <Peddy> escott, weird. I don't have it installed. There's a bug report here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gtk+2.0/+bug/717358   but I'm not sure it's relevant
[03:56] <escott> Peddy, i'm not sure, but when I was fighting to get gdm to remember my gnome3 preference it kept dumping me into unity and I always ended up with an unusable system and a nautilus menu at the top.
[03:57] <jbicha> Peddy: are you seeing the nautilus menu bar in addition to the normal UI?
[04:03] <Peddy> jbicha, yes. Usually, it would be obscured by the 'activities' bar, but I have two monitors and it extends across (the activities bar is only on the left monitor)
[04:03] <Peddy> escott, unity is the poor man's gnome shell
[04:08] <Peddy> jbicha, I guess one could test for it by doing metacity --replace and seeing if the menu bar was hiding underneath (with nautilus desktop handling enabled, of course)
[04:09] <jbicha> Peddy: hmm, I don't have 2 monitors so I can't fully test the gnome shell part
[04:09] <jbicha> but yes, if your window manager crashes, nautilus shows its menu bar and I'm not sure that that's a bug
[04:14] <Peddy> jbicha, maybe this illustrates it better: http://i.imgur.com/T3yBy.jpg
[04:17] <Peddy> and with without gnome shell covering it up: http://i.imgur.com/mKVbs.jpg
[04:21] <jbicha> Peddy: look at these fun bugs: bug 814799 and bug 814803
[04:22] <jbicha> I don't think Nautilus 3 desktop mode has been very well tested since I don't think any other distro enables it by default
[04:22] <Peddy> jbicha, if drawing the desktop is going to be disabled by default, I don't see it as _that_ big of an issue.
[04:22] <Peddy> yeah
[04:22] <Peddy> jbicha, GOOD GOD I CAN OPEN NEW DESKTOP TABS
[04:23] <Peddy> madness
[04:23] <rww> I want desktop tabs. Where do I sign up?
[04:23] <jbicha> lol, it doesn't actually work
[04:23] <rww> :(
[04:23] <jbicha> KDE4 has a cool feature where multiple windows of normal apps can become tabs
[04:23] <Peddy> so groovy, check it out: http://i.imgur.com/um8hY.png
[04:24] <rww> yeah, it may be evident that I'm a KDE user
[04:24] <Peddy> that's my desktop
[04:24] <rww> well, in general. Playing with Unity today for some reason.
[04:24] <Peddy> you poor soul
[04:26] <Peddy> (I'm satirizing unity hate bandwagon)
[04:27] <rww> I was wondering whether you meant KDE or Unity ;)
[04:27] <Peddy> well, which do you prefer?
[04:28] <rww> KDE, though Unity's making a strong argument on my netbook screen. Don't like it much on the desktop, though.
[04:28] <rww> (and I haven't tried it on oneiric, so I really shouldn't be talking about it here, but whatevs)
[04:30] <Peddy> a lawbreaker, I like it
[04:30] <Peddy> well, wasn't unity "netbook edition" originally anyway?
[04:31] <rww> yup, and it shows
[04:31] <jbicha> but the name was a hint of what sabdfl intended
[04:31] <Peddy> but then it was decided in the future people will only use netbooks and clouds &c!
[04:33] <Peddy> I actually prefer unity 2D to the default one. You can disable global menu and the titlebar thing easily
[04:34] <rww> !info unity-2d natty
[04:34] <rww> hrm, maybe I should throw that on my parent's laptop and see if she likes it
[04:37] <Peddy> yeah, I didn't understand the purpose of having extreme 3D graphics and transparency(!) on a distro intended for (low-powered) netbooks
[04:41] <rww> I noticed on sabdfl's blog that they're making a bunch of UI changes to Unity. Are those changes also going into Unity 2d so the interfaces are the same modulo less shiny stuff?
[04:41] <rww> because it'd be nice for support if most users are all on one UI that has the same layout
[04:44] <jbicha> I don't believe the alt-tab switcher is going into Unity 2D, at least not this cycle
[04:44] <jbicha> but in general the UI is fairly similar between the two versions
[06:18] <len> Hmm. This is a weird one.  I just did an update.  I was a bunch of KDE related packages.  Now after the updates, Whenever I press a widget on my toolbar, the little widget dialogs boxes which usuall pop up right above the widget are poping up way at the top- alighed with the top of the screen.  It looks really stupid.
[06:20] <len> Did anyone else just update Kubuntu, and can verify this?
[06:23] <len> My panel in on the bottom, btw.  Widgets normally open right above panel aligned just above the widget pressed, but now align with top of screen when opened.
[06:33] <len> Now my stacked tasks don't work :)  ie.  My quassel comes to the fore when i press it's icon because I only have one of them open, but when I press on either Dolphin or Chrome, nothing happens because I have 2 open of each, and the normal popup that shows all instances when you press on it doesn't work.  :(
[06:34] <len> This last round of KDE updates is full of regressions.
[07:17] <bullgard4_> [GNOME 3] The package tilda is installed. Why does the folder »Applications« not list a button »Tilda«  to start Tilda?
[07:32] <jbicha> bullgard4_: are you sure it doesn't?
[08:01] <IdleOne> Flash is broken, installed from adobe PPA Flash is working again (64 bit)
[08:02] <IdleOne> uh not adobe but sevenmachines ppa
[08:06] <SevenMachines> IdleOne: flash64 is *always* broken too, it just installs ok :)
[08:07] <IdleOne> I haven't had any issues with it until tonight
[08:07] <IdleOne> so I asked ubottu what she thought about it :)\
[08:07] <IdleOne> :)
[08:09] <IdleOne> Don't what magic you did but thanks.
[08:09] <IdleOne> Don't  know*
[08:11] <SevenMachines> no problem, it was only supposed to be a quick temporary thing since 64bit flash was the only thing that worked a few years ago. Adobe have stretched out that first 64bit release date quite impressively
[09:42] <Peddy> how do I change GTK2 theme for GTK2 programs in gnome 3?
[10:08] <bullgard4_> [GNOME 3] The package »rsyslog« is installed. Why does System Monitor not list a process »rsyslogd«?
[10:35] <edgy> Hi, I am new to unity. when I open any app i cannot see the minimize button, where is it gone? who said unity is great?
[10:48] <lenios> edgy, try alt+f9
[10:54] <edgy> lenios: nice and obscure, how on earth am I supposed to discover this?
[10:55] <BluesKaj> howdy all
[11:05] <BluesKaj> any word on the nspluginwrapper/flashplugin issues ...looking on launchpad for bug reports , but none yet.
[11:06] <Ian_Corne> why are you guys using nspluginwrapper anyways, there's a 64 bit flash pluing now no?
[11:09] <BluesKaj> Ian_Corne, i'm not using it purposely..it seems to be a dependency
[11:10] <jacobw> flashplayer 11 is still beta
[11:10] <Ian_Corne> hines1 Candidate: 11.0.1.98-0ubuntu0~sevenmachines1
[11:10] <Ian_Corne> oops
[11:10] <Ian_Corne> http://ppa.launchpad.net/sevenmachines/flash/ubuntu/
[11:10] <Ian_Corne> I use that ppa
[11:12] <Ian_Corne> It might be beta, but probably has less issues and security issues
[11:17] <BluesKaj> ok Ian_Corne  , I'll check it out
[11:23] <SevenMachines> Looks like the flash problem is due to nspluginwrapper on amd64 depending on nspluginviewer, which is i386 only. Maybe its part of the ia32-libs multi-architecture changes?
[11:24] <Ian_Corne> oh SevenMachines is even here:)
[11:26] <SevenMachines> Waiting for the sun to come out :)
[11:46] <BluesKaj> Ian_Corne, thanks for the hint , i ended up using this package https://launchpad.net/~sevenmachines/+archive/flash/+packages
[11:47] <Ian_Corne> yes
[11:47] <Ian_Corne> i don't know what one google chrome ships
[11:47] <Ian_Corne> You have version 11,0,1,98 installed
[11:47] <BluesKaj> well, it works on chromium
[11:48] <Ian_Corne> same as firefox
[11:48] <jtaylor> flash ahs been mmultiarched
[11:49] <jtaylor> if you haven'T enabled it yet, you probably must do it
[11:50] <BluesKaj> i wasn't aware of any differences apart from the need for nspluginwrapper on the previous version ...how that happened is still a mystery to me
[11:53] <BluesKaj> I assume all packages in the repos are going to be 64 bit
[11:53] <jtaylor> no
[11:54] <jtaylor> you mean the main repos?
[12:02] <BluesKaj> yes
[12:20] <SevenMachines> BluesKaj: 64 bit flash has been in pre-release stages for at least 2 years to my knowledge. I doubt it'll be put in official repositories until its released, which may be tomorrow or may be never, hard to tell with adobe
[12:26] <BluesKaj> SevenMachines, interesting, my assumption that running a 64bit kubuntu links me to 64 bit package repos isn't entirely correct ...there's nothing "pure 64" about them :0
[12:31] <SevenMachines> BluesKaj: the repository flash is 32bit, version 10.something i think, and uses nspluginwrapper to allow 64bit systems to run it
[12:32] <SevenMachines> this is also why it depends on ia32-libs
[12:36] <jtaylor> not anymore
[12:36] <jtaylor> all its dependencies have been multiarched
[12:45] <BluesKaj> jtaylor, yes nspluginwrapper was up for removal after installing the sevenmachines flash version
[12:45] <jtaylor> you still need the wrapper for 32 bit flash
[12:45] <jtaylor> but you don't need ia32libs
[12:46] <BluesKaj> I had already removed the non working version
[12:46] <BluesKaj> the wrapper is removed
[12:46] <BluesKaj> no flash probs yet
[12:47] <jtaylor> anyone using opera?
[12:51] <Dimmuxx> flash 64bit have been pre-alpha before and now it's beta so it will hopefully be properly released this time
[13:06] <edgy> hi, when any one runs sudo iptables -L what does one get by default in ubuntu?
[13:07] <edgy> me get Chain FORWARD (policy ACCEPT)
[13:07] <edgy> target     prot opt source               destination
[13:07] <edgy> ACCEPT     all  --  anywhere             192.168.122.0/24    state RELATED,ESTABLISHED
[13:08] <edgy> is this normal?
[13:08] <jtaylor> I have nothing
[13:08] <edgy> jtaylor: then how can i find where are those rules coming from?
[13:08] <jtaylor> no idea
[13:09] <edgy> I have a guess. it could virt-manager
[13:09] <edgy> I guessed so because that ip is on interface called virbr0
[13:20] <CarlFK> http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=gamix&suite=default&section=all&arch=any&searchon=names
[13:20] <CarlFK> why not in natty?
[13:21] <bazhang> CarlFK, gamix ?
[13:22] <CarlFK> yes
[13:22] <bazhang> its there; /msg ubottu info gamix
[13:22] <jtaylor> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=628384
[13:22] <CarlFK> er, sorry, not why natty, why not on onrick
[13:23] <CarlFK> thus me asking here in +1
[13:23] <bazhang> yep, you mentioned natty
[13:23] <jtaylor> see the bug
[13:23] <CarlFK> got it.  thanks
[13:25] <CarlFK> what does "PCM" stand for?
[13:26] <bazhang> PCM (digital audio) interface
[13:26] <penguin42> Pulse Code Modulation
[13:26] <jtaylor> Puls-Code-Modulation
[13:27] <penguin42> CarlFK: Sending audio as a sequence of codes - as opposed to for example pulse width modulation where you just use the width of pulses to represent the amplitude
[13:29] <CarlFK> so is that an input or output?
[13:30] <penguin42> to what?
[13:31] <bazhang> http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-doc/alsa-lib/pcm.html
[13:33] <CarlFK> I have a usb audio device - I can capture audio from it.  but alsamixer says "no capture device"  (on both oneric and natty)
[13:34] <CarlFK> so something is wonky.  trying to figure out what's going on
[13:44] <penguin42> there's a page on debugging audio stuff
[13:45] <penguin42> hmm - although they primarily seem to be based around output
[13:46] <penguin42> CarlFK: Can you pastebin /proc/asound/cards ?
[13:47] <CarlFK> penguin42: output of script from debugging page:  http://www.alsa-project.org/db/?f=f42f65402eb315265baae14e76fa1f48a32af611
[13:49] <CarlFK> http://dpaste.de/74GY/  /proc/asound/cards
[13:50]  * penguin42 looks
[13:51] <CarlFK> http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/422094-REG/Behringer_UCA202_UCA202_USB_Audio_Interface.html
[13:51] <CarlFK> that's the device
[13:53] <penguin42> well, it does list the capture device for that card
[13:53] <CarlFK> I've been told (tm) that the default setting is 50 or 80% of max.  I want it 100%.
[13:53] <CarlFK> alsamixer says ""This sound device does not have any capture controls. "
[13:53] <penguin42> yeh, that's what the debug shows - a usb mixer but only for playback
[13:54] <BluesKaj> dunno if this will help or not CarlFK , sudo gstreamer-properties , if a gui pops up then you can configure your device , and a reboot might be inorder .
[13:56] <CarlFK> BluesKaj: um.. gui popped, I can select "Default input, alsa, usb" - but don't see any way to adjust levels
[13:56] <penguin42> CarlFK: I don't think the driver is finding the input mixer at all
[13:57] <BluesKaj> CarlFK, alsamixer all configured ?
[13:57] <CarlFK> BluesKaj: ?
[13:58] <penguin42> BluesKaj: That debug output shows it's not getting that far
[13:58] <BluesKaj> CarlFK,F4 for capture devices , it might sho up there
[13:59] <CarlFK> BluesKaj:   alsamixer says ""This sound device does not have any capture controls. "
[14:00] <BluesKaj> yeah , it sounds weird but I've seen that in the past , CarlFK , just thought it was worth a try :(
[14:01] <penguin42> CarlFK: If you're reasonably sure the device has an input mixer I'd submit a bug
[14:02] <BluesKaj> CarlFK, have you considered "jack" ? Some outboard devices like USN and firewire work quite well with it
[14:02] <CarlFK> penguin42: "input mixer" = ability to tell the hardware to adjust level?
[14:02] <BluesKaj> err USB
[14:03] <penguin42> CarlFK: Yeh
[14:03] <CarlFK> penguin42: im not really sure what it can/can't do.  friend insists he used gamix to change it, resulting in better sounding audio.
[14:04] <CarlFK> given it is standard usb audio, is there some way I can fore it to try and adjust it? (guessing there is a standard api for this)
[14:32] <CarlFK> penguin42: you seem on top of sound stuff - if the vu meeter maxes out, that means the input 'mix' (if there is one) is maxed, right?
[14:33] <CarlFK> if it wasn't, then it couldn't deliver 'max' (I think 0db is the tech thing I should really learn)
[14:33] <CarlFK> cuz when I give it a strong input signal, it maxes my apps vu meeter.
[14:34] <CarlFK> so I think my friend that thinks he adjusted it is on crack
[14:37] <penguin42> CarlFK: Problem is there are so many different mixers (software and hardware) it's difficult to actually follow which slider does what unless you really dig - and I don't know them all
[14:40] <kjeldahl> Not sure I like the new window switcher which merges apps with multiple windows, not allowing me to select a specific browser window without doing extra finger magic...
[14:47] <BluesKaj> kjeldahl, got desktop effects turned on ? run your mouse to left top corner of the scrn
[14:47] <BluesKaj> err cursor
[14:56] <kjeldahl> BluesKaj: I think I have effect on, I'm on Oneiric Alpha3 "pure". Looks snappy, semi transparent windows etc. Moving cursor to top left corner makes nothing happen.
[14:57] <kjeldahl> BluesKaj: Well, pulls out unity bar in certain apps..
[14:57] <penguin42> BluesKaj: Oh thanks - I don't think I would have spotted that - I was wondering hth I managed to minimize a firefox window
[15:03] <BluesKaj> kjeldahl, penguin42 , oddly I can't recall which effect that's called in destop effects, desktop grid ?
[15:04]  * penguin42 doesn't know - it seems to have landed in a very recent update
[15:05] <kjeldahl> BluesKaj: Dunno, but it also seems the whole compiz control setup is also missing from the system settings thingy, as it already seems to be installed. I know it from earlier ubuntu releases, but the whole system settings app is pretty sparsly populated on Oneiric (yet anyway).
[15:06] <BluesKaj> well, the composting in kde is somewhat different than gnome , so i'm not sure what the diffs are.
[15:51] <ari-tczew> does nvidia driver work on oneiric? (kernel 3.*)
[15:52] <Ian_Corne> yes
[15:52] <BluesKaj> ari-tczew, yes , depends which nvidia card ..5yrs old or newer should be fine
[15:52] <ari-tczew> BluesKaj: nvidia 9600gso, doesn't work :/
[16:06] <BluesKaj> hmm, no patience ...instant gratification failure, strikes again
[18:52] <BluesKaj> ChogyDan, are you running oneiric?
[18:54] <Ian_Corne> out f the blue question?
[18:54] <BluesKaj> no he asked about dkms failure in #ubuntu and then he joined here
[18:55] <ChogyDan> BluesKaj: no actually, something weird.  I was trying to install the 3.0 kernel on natty.  It looks like it isn't compatible though
[18:55] <BluesKaj> ok
[18:57] <Ian_Corne> nvidia from natty doesn't work on 30
[18:57] <Ian_Corne> 3.0
[18:57] <jtaylor> thants dangerous, there is a bunch of stuff that breaks due to the version number alone
[18:58] <Ian_Corne> uhu
[18:58] <ChogyDan> Ian_Corne: my guess is that there is an issue with the build scripts and the version change
[18:58] <Ian_Corne> ChogyDan: it's fixed in the newer versions
[18:58] <Ian_Corne> and i only asumed you had a problem with nvidia because of your dkms question
[18:58] <Ian_Corne> :p
[18:59] <ChogyDan> yeah, I would imagine.  I'm used to being able to test out the kernels this way.  But it looks like I will have to do a full oneiric testing install
[19:03] <BluesKaj> is there an lspci command that shows empty pci slots ?...don't feel like taking the pc apart just now
[19:03] <ChogyDan> BluesKaj: maybe lshw
[19:03] <penguin42> BluesKaj: dmidecode might
[19:03] <ChogyDan> sudo lshw
[19:03] <penguin42> BluesKaj: It relies on the BIOS actually being correct, which is rare
[19:21] <Tetsuo55> i wish there where far more devs working on the kernel, and that bioses where open
[19:21]  * Tetsuo55 keeps on dreaming
[19:25] <spacebug-> Will it not be possible to not turn screen off? As it is now, one can only chose how much time it will be till it does. There is not option "do not turn of screen". Also, when it puts the screen off, there is still the clock and username showing, not good for monitors. So, I cannot disable screen from going blank (when watching movies and such) and when it does, it still does not really put it off.
[19:26] <jbicha> spacebug-: there is an API that apps can use to inhibit the screensaver, so that is a bug in the app if it doesn't work automatically
[19:26] <jbicha> that doesn't help Flash videos though...
[19:27] <spacebug-> well I'm not thinking about a special app right now
[19:27] <jbicha> and the screensaver only shows the time and username for a few minutes before the screen turns off
[19:27] <jbicha> but I heard that that entire bar might be disabled for Oneiric anyway
[19:28] <spacebug-> oh ok
[19:28] <jbicha> I actually like it but it's a Gnome Shell look not the Unity look
[19:29] <trism> spacebug-: I managed to kill the screen blanking with: gsettings set org.gnome.desktop.screensaver idle-activation-enabled false; and adding: sh -c 'xset -dpms' to Startup Applications
[19:29] <spacebug-> I dont really care about the look, just want the function of beaing able to chose when to turn screen off and not and how ;)
[19:30] <spacebug-> trism: hum ok
[19:30]  * penguin42 is always nervous of having features on the lock screen - got to be very very careful with security
[19:33] <spacebug-> for a OS that should be more and more userfriendly I dont think that is going the right way hehe
[19:33] <jbicha> those are GNOME design decisions, not Ubuntu
[19:33] <jbicha> if you like lots of configuration options, try KDE :-)
[19:34] <spacebug-> yes, well that is my second choice
[19:34] <spacebug-> used it for many years. Though I liked gnome when I started with ubuntu about a year ago
[19:36] <spacebug-> well ,we'll see
[20:53] <bjsnider> BUGabundo, have you tried to test the alleged pulseaudio support in chromium?
[20:56] <len> The new Muon package manager is really nice.  I just wish there was an option to "view details" as it is installing packages so you can all the messages given off as the packages are install.  Sometimes you see some important messages that are helpful to know.
[20:56] <Daekdroom> !info Muon
[20:56] <BUGabundo> boas noites
[20:57] <BUGabundo> bjsnider: didn't even knew about it
[20:57] <BUGabundo> I'm happy to be on gnome classic
[20:57] <BUGabundo> lots of crashes everywhere
[20:57] <BUGabundo> with no 3D
[20:57] <BUGabundo> if I enable 3D I don't have the bottom applet bar :S
[20:57] <bjsnider> google added pulseaudio support to chrome/chormium supposedly although i'm unable to test it
[20:57] <len> It's a QT-based package manager included in Oneirirc Kubuntu
[20:58] <njin> hello, can someone drag and drop window between workspaces in unity 2D ?
[20:58] <bjsnider> BUGabundo, you'd need to try an html5 audio/video file probably and then look at the audio indicator's applications tab to check if it still says alsa-plugin or just chromium
[20:59] <bjsnider> http://src.chromium.org/viewvc/chrome?view=rev&revision=97408
[21:00] <bjsnider> on the other hand, maybe fta hasn't enabled it
[21:00] <njin> bug 830231
[21:00] <BUGabundo> can it be another day?
[21:00] <BUGabundo> having a lousy day today
[21:00] <BUGabundo> just happy I got Gnome working
[21:00] <BUGabundo> oh and re-hammered my grub2 to boot from ISO
[21:00] <BUGabundo> so I have daily kubuntu and ubuntu on grub2 now
[21:01] <BUGabundo> trying to get ChromiumOS to boot too... but I can't :(
[21:02] <len> Speaking of grub2, when will it finally be officallly out of beta.  It's been at 1.99 for years.
[21:03] <BUGabundo> len LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL
[21:06] <mauri> when kde starts , nautilus starts also.... why?
[21:08] <bjsnider> well, for me it's still using the alsa plugin
[21:08] <yofel> mauri: same here, haven't found out why yet
[21:09] <penguin42> mauri: Oh wow - it's not just me!
[21:09] <bullgard4_> What repository provides the DEB program package »libpanel-applet2-0« ?
[21:09] <jbicha> gnome-panel
[21:10] <jbicha> actually, libpanel-applet2 isn't supported any more
[21:10] <bullgard4_> gnome-panel is no repository.
[21:10] <jbicha> natty has it, but it's not supported in oneiric...
[21:10] <Ian_Corne> !info libpanel-applet2-0
[21:11] <Ian_Corne> it's there
[21:11] <yofel> well, it _is_ in oneiric,  and in main, so it is supported
[21:12] <jbicha> no, it just hasn't been removed yet, it's a package without a source
[21:12] <bullgard4_> jbicha: http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=libpanel-applet2-0&searchon=names&suite=oneiric&section=all: "You have searched for packages that names contain libpanel-applet2-0 in suite(s) oneiric, all sections, and all architectures. Found 1 matching packages."
[21:12] <yofel> ah, true
[21:13] <bullgard4_> jbicha: "[23:12]	<jbicha>	no, it just hasn't been removed yet, it's a package without a source" <- Can you prove your statement.
[21:13] <jbicha> yes, apt-cache depends gnome-panel
[21:14] <yofel> bullgard4_: the source package is gnome-panel, but the oneiric source of gnome-panel doesn't build that lib anymore, so only the binaries that were copied from natty are left
[21:14] <jbicha> gnome-panel used to provide libpanel-applet2 but it doesn't now and it won't let you install libpanel-applet2 and keep it installed
[21:14] <jbicha> anything that uses libpanel-applet2 needs to be ported to panel-applet4 so that it can work in GNOME 3
[21:20] <bjsnider> yofel, you're evidently being pressured to join the ranks of gnome users
[21:20] <bjsnider> they're demonstrating how great nautilus is
[21:21] <BUGabundo> ahahahahah
[21:21] <Ian_Corne> :D
[21:21] <bullgard4_> jbicha: '~$ apt-cache depends gnome-panel; Depends: libpanel-applet-4-0'. Synaptic tells me that libpanel-applet-4-0 version 1:3.1.5-ubuntu1 is installed on my Oneiric computer.
[21:22] <yofel> bjsnider: funny thing, it's absolutely invisible until you log out - then you see the gnomeish desktop ^^
[21:22] <yofel> well, for a second or so
[22:39]  * penguin42 wonders where my volume control went on KDE
[22:42] <BUGabundo> its not working in gnome either
[22:43] <penguin42> the issue isn't working ness - the issue is it's gone
[22:45] <yofel> kmix works fine here, didn't restart yet today though
[22:45] <penguin42> yofel: It doesn't seem to be on the 'add widget' list
[22:46] <penguin42> ah thank you - ran kmix and it's back
[22:46] <penguin42> yofel: The odd thing that happened to me this morning was that it flipped default audio output (which wsa easy to fix) - not sure why KDE/pulse decided to do that
[22:47] <yofel> it did that for me twice in the last week...
[22:48] <yofel> I'm not sure why it prefers my HDMI port (well, displayport) over my internal card :/
[22:48] <penguin42> yeh, same problem
[22:49] <penguin42> especially since they're is nothing plugged in to the HDMI
[22:49] <penguin42> there
[22:56] <penguin42> bizarre; youtube just started playign videos at like 5x speed - restarting pa fixed it
[22:56] <Ian_Corne> you have discovered the hyper PA function
[22:57] <Ian_Corne> nah, that's something that would appear in an apple slideshow, sorry
[22:57] <penguin42> I mean a fast-forward in youtube would be very nice - but still
[23:06] <Ian_Corne> it's available
[23:06] <Ian_Corne> if you enable html5 playback
[23:06] <penguin42> oh - didn't know
[23:32] <penguin42> hmph package upgrade of flashplugin-installer failing
[23:33] <Ian_Corne> something with ndiswrapper
[23:33] <Ian_Corne> and i32 libs
[23:33] <penguin42> nod
[23:33] <Ian_Corne> there's a 64 bit beta
[23:33] <Ian_Corne> which isn't broken
[23:34] <penguin42> yeh, par for the course
[23:34] <Ian_Corne> https://launchpad.net/~sevenmachines/+archive/flash/+packages
[23:34] <Ian_Corne> par for the course?
[23:34] <penguin42> Ian_Corne: Normal, expected
[23:35] <penguin42> Ian_Corne: Common expression here; derived from golf
[23:36] <Ian_Corne> ok :)
[23:36] <Ian_Corne> here being?
[23:36] <Ian_Corne> I'm from belgium so english isn't my mother tongue
[23:37] <penguin42> UK
[23:37] <penguin42> Ian_Corne: I believe (not being a golfer) that each golf hole has a 'par' which is the number of shots taken to play it on average; so that's what's expected
[23:37] <Ian_Corne> yes i know
[23:38] <Ian_Corne> but are you from the UK or the US?
[23:38] <penguin42> UK
[23:38] <Ian_Corne> or is it used in all english speaking countries
[23:38] <Ian_Corne> I will add the expression to my vocabulary
[23:41] <jbicha> it's American too
[23:42] <Ian_Corne> yeah I learned most of my english from tv and talking on irc and mumble/ventrillo
[23:42] <Ian_Corne> so not too high quality :D
[23:58] <penguin42> youch; learning language via irc....I could tell you anything