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[03:50] <rww> Woot. Looks like my mom's 10.10 -> 11.04 upgrade went fine :)
[03:51] <sn9> awesome
[09:00] <regularjo> May I ask about the following instruction for installing my new samsung printer smart panel. The instructions are as follows: Smart Panel Application Install Guide]
[09:00] <regularjo> 1. When the Administrator Login window appears, type in root in the Login field
[09:00] <regularjo> and enter the system password.
[09:00] <regularjo> 2. Download and extract the Smart Panel.
[09:00] <regularjo> [root@localhost root]#tar xzf [Downloaded File Name(XXXX.tar.gz)]
[09:00] <regularjo> 3. The Smart Panel will be extracted as ''cdroot'' folder in current path.
[09:00] <regularjo> 4. Execute installation program.
[09:01] <regularjo> [root@localhost root]#./cdroot/Linux/smartpanel/install.sh
[09:01] <regularjo> 5. Smart Panel will be installed automatically and success message will be displayed in terminal.
[09:01] <regularjo> 6. Smart Panel will be launced automatically after installation.
[09:02] <regularjo> so from the desktop to type control x alt x f2 to get the the virtual terminal. Do I really type "root" next?
[09:03] <aaditya> no regularjo, don't type root.
[09:03] <aaditya> Why would you want to get to a virtual terminal?
[09:03] <aaditya> If you want a terminal, just hit Ctrl+Alt+T.
[09:06] <regularjo> Instead of "root" do I type in my user name which is regularjo? (I'll get to ctr-alt-t in a minute)
[09:07] <aaditya> Why are you typing any of these?
[09:07] <aaditya> I'm not sure what you're trying to accomplish, regularjo.
[09:07] <regularjo> I have just posted the instructions above which are the instructions for installing the smart panel for my new printer.
[09:09] <aaditya> You don't need a virtual terminal to follow these instructions, if I understand correctly.
[09:09] <aaditya> Please try starting a console by going to Applications > Accessories > Terminal
[09:10] <aaditya> and if you need root access in that terminal, type `sudo su`
[09:10] <regularjo> ok
[09:11] <regularjo> the result is this: root@Ubuntu:/home/regularjo#
[09:11] <regularjo> Am I now ready for step 2?
[09:15] <regularjo> I can't seem to select and copy test from this page. can that be done?
[09:16] <aaditya> type `cd /tmp` to switch to the temporary directory before you proceed.
[09:17] <regularjo> you mean in terminal?
[09:21] <regularjo> it type it and the response was: bash: cd: tmp: No such file or directory
[09:24] <regularjo> I want to go to step 2 which says: Download and extract the smart panel [root@localhost root]#tar xzf [Downloaded File Name(XXXX.tar.gz)] So..... I copied in "[root@localhost root]#tar xzf [Downloaded File Name(XXXX.tar.gz)] brackets xxxs and everything but I get the following response bash: syntax error near unexpected token `('
[09:26] <regularjo> I assume I don't type the brackets. do I change root@localhost to regularjo@ubuntu becaause those are my user and computer names?
[10:16] <regularjo> aaditya, would you chat with me a little longer about making entries in console?
[10:41] <regularjo> aaditya, will you chat a little more about entering strings in console?
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[15:38] <regularjo> could anyone chat with me about typing commands or text in terminal? I want to install the smart panel for my printer but I don't understand the installation guide.
[15:40] <akk> I don't know what the smart panel is, but I'm happy to help with general questions on typing commands.
[15:40] <akk> Is the installation guide online?
[15:43] <regularjo> Yes. It is at: http://www.samsung.com/us/support/downloads/SCX-4623F/XAA.  I want to install the smart panel driver for Linux
[15:45] <akk> ah, the instructions are in the tarball (.tar.gz) you downloaded?
[15:46] <regularjo> I haven't download anything yet. I couldn't understand step 1 which is: 1. When the Administrator Login window appears, type in root in the Login field
[15:46] <regularjo> and enter the system password.
[15:47] <akk> oh, dear ... ubuntu systems don't generally have a root password
[15:47] <akk> so you're right not to understand that :)
[15:48] <regularjo> when I open terminal on my machine, i see: regularjo@Ubuntu:~$
[15:48] <akk> Wait, how do you see the instructions without downloading anything? that url has a page of links -- which one is the instructions you're reading?
[15:49] <akk> I'm trying to figure out whether this Administrator Login window they're talking about is just logging in to the system in a shell, or a window in their app.
[15:50] <akk> If they just want you to have a root shell, that's easy. But I can't tell that from just that single line.
[15:50] <regularjo> It really isn't a link, it you click on the "link" it just expands to show you the steps
[15:50] <akk> ah, I see
[15:52] <akk> Okay, yes, they just want you to get a root shell, and they expressed it very unclearly.
[15:52] <regularjo> Do you have any thinking on Step 1 so i can get to the point of attempting step 2, or can I skip the root business altogether?
[15:53] <akk> You can skip step 1
[15:53] <akk> then when you get to step 4 (execute the installation program), put sudo in front of it
[15:53] <akk> sudo ./cdroot/Linux/smartpanel/install.sh
[15:54] <akk> it'll ask for a password -- it just wants your normal login password
[15:54] <regularjo> But now I'm stuck on step 2 which is: 2. Download and extract the Smart Panel.
[15:54] <regularjo> [root@localhost root]#tar xzf [Downloaded File Name(XXXX.tar.gz)]
[15:54] <akk> That's the little icon over at the right under "File" in the browser
[15:54] <akk> you can right-click on it and "save link as" (or similar, depending on which browser you use)
[15:55] <akk> then you'll have the .tar .gz file and you can run that tar command they give.
[15:57] <regularjo> I'm sorry. I'm lost on step 2. From my machine, terminal mode, after regularjo@Ubuntu:~$ would I type:[root@localhost root]#tar xzf [Downloaded File Name(XXXX.tar.gz)]
[15:57] <akk> No, that root@localhost thing is what they think your prompt is. Just type tar xzf filename.tar.gz
[15:57] <akk> after you've downloaded the file
[15:58] <akk> of corse filename.tar.gz is whatever the real downloaded filename was
[16:00] <regularjo> How do I know what the "real download filename is? can I just create a name?
[16:01] <akk> Have you downloaded the file yet? Maybe you should start with that.
[16:01] <akk> That's really step 2, and extracting the tar is step 2.5.
[16:01] <akk> When you download a file, the browser asks you where to save it
[16:01] <akk> and what the filename will be
[16:02] <akk> so make a note of that, because that's the filename you need to give to the tar command.
[16:02] <regularjo> Can we go back to step 2 about downloading the file. what do I enter to do that?
[16:03] <akk> do it in your browser
[16:03] <akk> This is the first time you've downloaded a file from the web?
[16:03] <akk> I mentioned earlier: you can right-click on it and "save link as" (or similar, depending on which browser you use)
[16:03] <akk> it will ask you where to save
[16:04] <regularjo> Oh, the little file icon on the right. O.K. it will be a minute or 2
[16:11] <regularjo> O.k. I downloaded it to my Download director and its name is Smartpanel_1.10.tar.gz. So I opened terminal a typed Smartpane_1.10.tar.gz but the response is:tar (child): Smartpanel_1.10.tar.gz: Cannot open: No such file or directory
[16:11] <regularjo> tar (child): Error is not recoverable: exiting now
[16:11] <regularjo> tar: Child returned status 2
[16:11] <regularjo> tar: Error is not recoverable: exiting now
[16:12] <regularjo> I mean I typed Smartpanel_1.10.tar.gz and got the above error message
[16:13] <regularjo> No. I just didn't see the icon that you directed me to. I don't it many many times in windows.
[16:13] <akk> You're probably not in the directory where you downloaded Smartpanel_1.10.tar.gz. Where did you put it?
[16:14] <regularjo> That is, I have download many files from the web.
[16:14] <akk> It might be in your Downloads directory or somewhere like that.
[16:14] <akk> When you open a terminal, you're in your home directory -- you can type ls (that's an ell, not a one, it's short for list) to see what files you have there.
[16:15] <akk> You can use a normal file manager, whatever you're used to, to figure out where you downloaded that Smartpanel_1.10.tar.gz file.
[16:17] <regularjo> Ok. I am in terminal as follows: regularjo@Ubuntu:~/Downloads$ ls
[16:17] <regularjo> Smartpanel_1.10.tar.gz
[16:21] <akk> Okay, so now you can type the tar command.
[16:22] <akk> What was the tar command you typed before that gave the error?
[16:23] <regularjo> O.k. From regularjo@Ubuntu:~/Downloads$ I type: #tar xzf Smartpanel_1.10.tar.gz and I didn't get any messages, so that means It worked. Yes?
[16:24] <akk> You typed the # too?
[16:25] <regularjo> Yes
[16:25] <akk> Don't type #, that's a comment.
[16:25] <regularjo> ok. I'll try again
[16:25] <akk> Maybe add a v -- tar xzvf Smartpanel_1.10.tar.gz -- then you'll get lots of output
[16:26] <akk> (v for verbose, it shows all the files it's extracting)
[16:27] <regularjo> that is v space two dashes space tar xzvf ( why the v between the z and the f?
[16:28] <akk> argh, no
[16:28] <akk> type this command:
[16:28] <akk>  tar xzvf Smartpanel_1.10.tar.gz
[16:29] <akk> it's exactly like the other command except I added a v
[16:29] <akk> that's why I said "add a v" and then, inside dashes, I gave the full new command
[16:29] <regularjo> o.k.
[16:31] <regularjo> I got tons of files estracting. What's next?
[16:33] <regularjo> Step3. in the guide say: The Smart Panel will be extracted as ''cdroot'' folder in current path. Where is CD root? Or is it in the Downloads directory?
[16:33] <akk> They give you a command to run. But remember I said before, you have to put sudo in front of it:
[16:34] <akk> sudo ./cdroot/Linux/smartpanel/install.sh
[16:34] <regularjo> I have a cdroot subdirectory in my download directory
[16:34] <akk> That means you'll be running as root, so you're trusting them not to do anything harmful to your system.
[16:34] <regularjo> I have a cdroot subdirectory in my download directory
[16:34] <akk> (samsung should be trustworthy, one would think)
[16:41] <regularjo> I type sudo ./cdroot/Linux/smartpanel/install.sh from three times: one from cdroot subdirectory, one from the Downloads directory and one from regularjo@Ubuntu, but each time it said: command not found
[16:45] <akk> Run it from the download directory, the one where ls shows a cdroot subdirectory.
[16:45] <regularjo> ok
[16:45] <akk> If it doesn't work from there, ls cdroot and see if it has a Linux subdirectory
[16:45] <akk> and if it does, ls cdroot/Linux and see if it has a smartpanel subdirectory
[16:45] <akk> and if it does, ls cdroot/Linux/smartpanel
[16:45] <akk> and see if there's an install.sh there
[16:46] <akk> (or do the same thing in your favorite file manager, but that's how to explore directories from the shell)
[16:52] <regularjo> O.k. it said it installed. and then I open applications and type "smart" and it showed that it was installed, but when I clicked on the icon it didn't open
[16:59] <regularjo> akk. thank you for all your patience. that was the first time I installed a program with terminal. I don't know why it didn't open, but I have some confidence now that I didn't have before we started working this morning. thank you again.
[17:00] <akk> Yay! Hope you get it running.
[17:35] <regularjo> akk, I saved our session because it is relevant to any program I want to download in terminal