| knome | madnick, mmm... good morning! i just installed a new psu! | 04:59 |
|---|---|---|
| knome | (on other words, a very late evening to you all) | 05:00 |
| pleia2 | morning, knome :) | 05:01 |
| Unit193 | Good night pleia2 , knome (not going to sleep, just a greeting) | 05:02 |
| pleia2 | night Unit193 | 05:02 |
| knome | hehe | 05:06 |
| knome | i just made a decision, that i'll never ever buy a non-modular psu again | 05:06 |
| pleia2 | modular++ | 05:07 |
| knome | of course, i'm (probably) forced to do that on the next occasion, but as far as i can choose.. | 05:07 |
| pleia2 | I learned that the hard way too | 05:07 |
| knome | didn't learn that the hard way really | 05:07 |
| knome | that was my first ever self-installed PSU's | 05:07 |
| pleia2 | oh :) | 05:07 |
| knome | upgraded from 450W to 650W, and now all the devices are turned on every boot | 05:08 |
| knome | (yay) | 05:08 |
| pleia2 | hehe, that's good | 05:08 |
| knome | yeah, that's kind of nice :P | 05:08 |
| Unit193 | Eh, you don't need a CD drive... | 05:08 |
| Unit193 | Or a HDD | 05:08 |
| knome | actually, the problem was that the sound card was not turned on every boot | 05:09 |
| knome | no problems with other devices at all. | 05:09 |
| pleia2 | I bet that was fun to debug | 05:09 |
| knome | boot, gmb, play, BLAH, boot, gmb, play, BLAH, boot, gmb, play, BLAH, boot, gmb, play, BLAH, boot, "oh, i have sound" | 05:10 |
| knome | i think my record was 9 boots. | 05:10 |
| knome | you can imagine i also hit the fsck boot quite often.. | 05:10 |
| pleia2 | heh | 05:11 |
| knome | well of course i cancelled, but.. | 05:11 |
| knome | i'm wondering what my next move will be | 05:11 |
| knome | sleep won't work, that will end up with zombie-knome for the rest of the day | 05:11 |
| knome | a shower and some more food might do | 05:11 |
| pleia2 | :) | 05:12 |
| knome | any more alcohol will also probably fail... | 05:12 |
| pleia2 | lol | 05:13 |
| pleia2 | only if it's with orange juice, that makes it healthy and breakfasty | 05:14 |
| knome | rum with orange juice? :| | 05:15 |
| knome | though i don't think we have any orange juice | 05:15 |
| pleia2 | usually it would be vodka or sparkling wine | 05:15 |
| knome | the only alcohol there is is rum | 05:16 |
| knome | and a bottle of beer preserved for special occasion | 05:16 |
| knome | and that's got nothing to do with orange juice. | 05:16 |
| pleia2 | indeed | 05:16 |
| knome | i think the next step is updating my beerlog | 05:17 |
| pleia2 | beerlog++ | 05:17 |
| knome | huh, this was definitely night of crazy ideas | 05:18 |
| knome | we went to shop to buy a new PS3 controller for a friend, just so we could play a game with three players | 05:18 |
| knome | (i also bought the PSU on the same trip) | 05:19 |
| pleia2 | hehe | 05:19 |
| * knome 's beerlog for this year is at http://wiki.knome.fi/olut:2011 | 05:19 | |
| pleia2 | I had Innis & Gunn for the first time recently | 05:21 |
| knome | the rum cask version is fabulous | 05:21 |
| knome | we ended the beer-drinking night today with that | 05:22 |
| knome | then went to rum | 05:22 |
| knome | :P | 05:22 |
| pleia2 | nicely done | 05:22 |
| knome | also, if you can get your hands on one of those longer matured bottles, they are very fantastic too | 05:22 |
| knome | (i&g) | 05:22 |
| pleia2 | I haven't looked for it around here (was in canada visiting my sister when I had it) | 05:23 |
| knome | mm-hmm | 05:23 |
| knome | what did you think of it, btw? :P | 05:24 |
| knome | i instantly thought you'd love it | 05:24 |
| pleia2 | I liked it, the one I had was very vanillay | 05:24 |
| knome | they all have that sameish aroma | 05:24 |
| pleia2 | http://www.flickr.com/photos/pleia2/5774149187/ | 05:24 |
| pleia2 | the blonde | 05:25 |
| knome | blonde? i've never had that | 05:25 |
| knome | how much alc vol% | 05:25 |
| pleia2 | the internet says 6% | 05:25 |
| knome | mm-hmmm | 05:25 |
| knome | the rum cask and the original have more | 05:26 |
| pleia2 | yeah, 6 is on the low end of what I typically enjoy | 05:26 |
| knome | i think that actually even improves it, without having had the "lighter" version | 05:26 |
| knome | oki, beerlog updated :) | 05:32 |
| knome | madnick, shall we look at the theme stuff later today? | 10:26 |
| madnick | knome: yes please :D | 10:26 |
| knome | madnick, didn't go to summer cottage this weekend to be able to get some free time with these | 10:27 |
| madnick | :) | 10:27 |
| knome | i need to eat first, a friend is coming over for that in an hour or so, and after that i'm free | 10:27 |
| knome | (before that, i think i'll do some work with other things) | 10:27 |
| madnick | okay, ill be here, if not, just highlight me :) | 10:28 |
| knome | sure, great | 10:29 |
| madnick | I hope the oneiric cd's work today, have not been able to test the lightdm theme :< | 10:31 |
| knome | :| | 10:37 |
| knome | bbl | 10:55 |
| madnick | http://www.madnick.se/~madnick/xubuntu/xubuntu-greeter-draft6.png | 11:56 |
| madnick | oh, yes, password shouldnt have < > ;( | 12:03 |
| charlie-tca | Good morning | 13:31 |
| madnick | morning | 13:31 |
| charlie-tca | mr_pouit: do you have time to see why the desktop image is failing to build? | 13:31 |
| charlie-tca | madnick: how goes the lightdm screen? | 13:33 |
| madnick | charlie-tca: ill paste a screesshot, let me just fire up the testmode :) | 13:37 |
| charlie-tca | astraljava: gilir from lubuntu is fixing the issues with Users and Groups for derivatives | 13:38 |
| madnick | charlie-tca: http://www.madnick.se/~madnick/xubuntu/xubuntu-greeter-draft7.png | 13:38 |
| knome | madnick, that looks realy good. can we maybe make the text on the boxes lighter? | 13:39 |
| madnick | Should I add "Select session" to make it clearer? | 13:39 |
| madnick | knome: yes sure | 13:39 |
| knome | i don't think "select session" is needed | 13:39 |
| charlie-tca | That looks good | 13:39 |
| knome | "session" is already quite descriptive | 13:39 |
| charlie-tca | If the text is lighter, will it disappear? | 13:39 |
| madnick | nope | 13:39 |
| knome | charlie-tca, no, it will stand out more | 13:39 |
| charlie-tca | knome, madnick : agreed on session | 13:40 |
| charlie-tca | already descriptive enough | 13:40 |
| knome | either you know what session is or then don't "select" doesn't really help | 13:40 |
| charlie-tca | up | 13:40 |
| charlie-tca | yup | 13:40 |
| knome | and might confuse, if you think you always need to select something :) | 13:40 |
| madnick | Im setting up a dev environment on Oneiric now | 13:40 |
| charlie-tca | It's just the icon alone that left me confused as to what I needed for a session | 13:40 |
| madnick | to test this | 13:41 |
| knome | madnick, from which icon theme are those icons? elementary? | 13:41 |
| madnick | knome: yes | 13:41 |
| madnick | from elementary | 13:41 |
| knome | okay. i'll give you better icons soonish, based on those | 13:41 |
| madnick | okay | 13:41 |
| knome | also, i think the arrows work like this as well (no special reason to make them up/down) | 13:41 |
| madnick | knome: i thought that it might be too small to click on | 13:42 |
| knome | can you bold them (does that make any difference to the looks?) | 13:42 |
| madnick | if they where ^ | 13:42 |
| knome | yeah | 13:42 |
| knome | they arent exactly large now either | 13:42 |
| madnick | Nope, but they are spread out | 13:42 |
| madnick | So you cant click on wrong :P | 13:42 |
| knome | so there is some invisible, but clickable padding? | 13:42 |
| charlie-tca | With them on both ends this way, there is less chance of hitting the wrong one | 13:42 |
| madnick | knome: there could be | 13:43 |
| knome | madnick, that would be nice. that could even spread to the border of the screen | 13:43 |
| madnick | :) | 13:43 |
| knome | madnick, then it would be REALLY easy to hit one of those | 13:43 |
| knome | if that's too hard, just forget it, but some padding would definitely be ++ | 13:43 |
| madnick | oki, but knome shall we work on plymouth? | 13:44 |
| knome | charlie-tca, does the accessibility icon definitely need the blue circle, or would it work without it as well? | 13:44 |
| knome | sure, i'll just work those icons out now, so we can get lightdm finished now | 13:44 |
| knome | at least from the graphical side | 13:45 |
| madnick | lightdm needs more C code, but the UI | 13:45 |
| madnick | yeah | 13:45 |
| madnick | :P | 13:45 |
| knome | do you remember those icon paths/names from the top of your head? | 13:45 |
| madnick | yes | 13:45 |
| knome | shoot | 13:46 |
| charlie-tca | Internationally recognized symbol for accessibility is the man in a cirlce, | 13:46 |
| madnick | /usr/share/icons/elementary/apps/32$ | 13:46 |
| madnick | -$ :) | 13:46 |
| knome | thanks | 13:46 |
| charlie-tca | so, if we can, it would be best to keep it | 13:46 |
| knome | charlie-tca, okay, i'll keep it there, but not quite as it is now - i'll let you have a look first | 13:46 |
| madnick | i really need help packaging plymouth later, because i made my package look like the old plymouth, but im not sure how to "build it", and i get conflicting information from the internet | 13:47 |
| knome | heh | 13:47 |
| charlie-tca | knome: can make it an outline instead of shaded circle, too | 13:47 |
| knome | charlie-tca, i think a circle would work, just a sec | 13:48 |
| mr_pouit | charlie-tca: it should be fixed already (murrine-themes got synced when I was away, so I couldn't upload a fixed xubuntu-artwork right after) | 13:48 |
| madnick | knome: btw, the high contrast for accessability; it needs to be implemented into the greeter | 13:48 |
| madnick | And im not sure what high contrast would mean :) | 13:48 |
| charlie-tca | mr_pouit: Thanks, will look for them tomorrow to test then | 13:48 |
| knome | madnick, is it as easy as me telling you which colors to put where? | 13:49 |
| charlie-tca | madnick: high contrast is just a theme selected for the desktop | 13:49 |
| madnick | knome: yes it is | 13:49 |
| knome | oki | 13:49 |
| charlie-tca | install accessibility themes, gives you "high contrast" in both appearance and xfwm4 | 13:49 |
| madnick | Yes, I guess I could read the data from that theme | 13:50 |
| charlie-tca | It changes the displays to white background, black outlines, black text, black icons | 13:50 |
| charlie-tca | Do you want a screenshot? | 13:51 |
| madnick | charlie-tca: hm, in lightdm gtk greeter, it changes to dark blue, and like yellowish stuff | 13:52 |
| charlie-tca | To those who do not need it, it is quite difficult to use | 13:52 |
| charlie-tca | That will work. It should be very good contrast as opposed to normal | 13:52 |
| knome | http://temp.knome.fi/xubuntu/oneiric_lightdm/accessibility_icon.png | 13:52 |
| knome | http://temp.knome.fi/xubuntu/oneiric_lightdm/shutdown_icon.png | 13:52 |
| knome | madnick, ^ try those | 13:52 |
| madnick | knome: okay | 13:53 |
| knome | madnick, also, add some padding vs. the top and the right edge of screen (maybe sth like 5-7px) | 13:53 |
| charlie-tca | knome: those are fine | 13:53 |
| knome | yeah | 13:53 |
| knome | a bit simpler than the default elementary icons, but fine for the lightdm | 13:53 |
| knome | madnick, so, the thing with plymouth is... only the progress bar/circle? | 13:54 |
| knome | or is there something else left to think? | 13:54 |
| knome | i'm starting to think, just keep the bar going back and forth for now, and fix it in oneiric+1 | 13:55 |
| madnick | :P | 13:55 |
| knome | no really | 13:55 |
| madnick | http://www.madnick.se/~madnick/xubuntu/xubuntu-greeter-draft8.png | 13:55 |
| knome | it's badish, but it's not the end of the world | 13:55 |
| knome | great! | 13:55 |
| knome | do you think the icons are maybe a tad big? | 13:56 |
| madnick | so, keep plymouth as it is? | 13:56 |
| knome | can i have one more shot of it, and then i can say yes | 13:56 |
| knome | ;) | 13:56 |
| madnick | knome: not on a normal screen :P | 13:56 |
| knome | okay, that's probably true | 13:56 |
| madnick | knome: 1 more shot? | 13:56 |
| madnick | ok | 13:56 |
| knome | yeah | 13:56 |
| knome | i'm not sure about the lightdm "log in" button either | 13:56 |
| * madnick thought you meant screenshot :) | 13:57 | |
| knome | it's a bit... weird | 13:57 |
| knome | yes, screenshot :D | 13:57 |
| knome | so i can just see that it is fine, really | 13:57 |
| madnick | what should i change in the ldm | 13:57 |
| madnick | or did you mean | 13:57 |
| knome | mmh | 13:57 |
| madnick | plymouth? | 13:57 |
| knome | no i meant | 13:57 |
| knome | 1) can i have a screenshot of plymouth, so i can tell you it's ok | 13:57 |
| madnick | okay | 13:57 |
| knome | 2) the lightdm log in -button needs tweaking graphically | 13:58 |
| madnick | ok, ill setup a new screenshot of plymouth 1 sec | 13:58 |
| knome | thanks | 13:58 |
| knome | i'll get something to drink | 13:58 |
| madnick | err, it uses the old one :) | 13:58 |
| madnick | 1 sec | 13:58 |
| knome | heh, no hurry | 13:59 |
| knome | what does our livecd boot screen look like? | 14:02 |
| knome | i mean, the equivalent to http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d3/Xubuntu_Live_or_install.png | 14:02 |
| knome | charlie-tca? | 14:02 |
| madnick | oh holy ... this was hard, i ruined the configs | 14:04 |
| charlie-tca | That is the menu screen from the desktop cd | 14:04 |
| knome | ouch? :) | 14:04 |
| knome | charlie-tca, we still have the same old logo there? | 14:04 |
| charlie-tca | from there, if you choose the top option, you get plymouth until the live session starts | 14:04 |
| charlie-tca | yes, we do | 14:04 |
| knome | ouch... | 14:04 |
| knome | mr_pouit, madnick: know how to change that? :P | 14:05 |
| charlie-tca | we have a bug on it, but it may have gotten confused with the "still shows 11.04 logo " bug | 14:05 |
| knome | 11.04? ;) | 14:05 |
| charlie-tca | yes, plymouth in text mode shows "Xubuntu 11.04" with the dots under it | 14:06 |
| knome | right | 14:06 |
| charlie-tca | I think mr_pouit fixed that today | 14:06 |
| knome | heh, okay | 14:06 |
| knome | but the livecd still uses the old loho? | 14:06 |
| knome | *logo | 14:07 |
| charlie-tca | but we still have the old logo on the cd menu, yes | 14:07 |
| knome | i can export/create one suitable for that today, if somebody tells me the specs | 14:07 |
| knome | *wink* | 14:07 |
| charlie-tca | Keep in mind, that is on both images | 14:07 |
| knome | sure | 14:07 |
| charlie-tca | alternate and desktop cd use a menu | 14:07 |
| knome | yeah | 14:07 |
| knome | the worse it is that we do have the old logo there | 14:07 |
| madnick | http://www.madnick.se/~madnick/xubuntu/screenie.png | 14:08 |
| madnick | thats without fsck | 14:08 |
| madnick | and without prompt | 14:08 |
| madnick | this is what 99% of users will see 99% of the time | 14:09 |
| knome | looks fine to me. | 14:09 |
| madnick | me too :P | 14:09 |
| charlie-tca | That looks good! | 14:09 |
| charlie-tca | let's package it | 14:09 |
| madnick | charlie-tca: question is how :\ | 14:09 |
| madnick | I did a package in 2006 IIRC | 14:09 |
| madnick | :P | 14:09 |
| knome | let's file a bug about the progress element not being circular right after UI freeze ;) | 14:09 |
| charlie-tca | mr_pouit: how do we get the new plymouth package ready now? | 14:09 |
| madnick | knome: :D | 14:10 |
| knome | i'm serious. | 14:10 |
| charlie-tca | we need help, mr_pouit | 14:10 |
| knome | i want that fixed in o+1 | 14:10 |
| charlie-tca | got a new lightdm screen and plymouth for oneiric, but don't know how to get it packaged to put into the images and seeds | 14:10 |
| charlie-tca | Wishlist, knome | 14:11 |
| knome | i think i'll just file a high priority bug, assigned to me | 14:11 |
| knome | ;) | 14:11 |
| charlie-tca | mr_pouit: and we will need a FFe, won't we? | 14:11 |
| madnick | Someone said we had one for plymouth | 14:12 |
| knome | a new plymouth/light theme isn't exactly a new feature, is it? | 14:12 |
| madnick | iirc | 14:12 |
| madnick | not really a feature | 14:12 |
| madnick | That is true :P | 14:12 |
| charlie-tca | Depends on whether or not we ever had one, doesn't it? | 14:12 |
| knome | as long as we've seeded plymouth before FF, i don't think a new theme makes a new feature, even if we didn't have plymouth in natty | 14:13 |
| knome | but that's just me, and the ubuntu bureaucracy might think differently | 14:13 |
| charlie-tca | well, I guess we wait for mr_pouit to give us the answer | 14:13 |
| knome | in any case, i don't think getting a FFe is too hard | 14:14 |
| madnick | I need a license dont i :(( | 14:15 |
| madnick | I just GPL it? | 14:15 |
| madnick | put the standard GPL stuff in there | 14:15 |
| knome | just use whatever license we've used before | 14:15 |
| madnick | so GPL | 14:15 |
| knome | from my POV, it could even be PD, but i think mr_pouit has wanted to use GPL ;) | 14:16 |
| madnick | Well, there is 1 function i semi stole from the previous script | 14:16 |
| madnick | the atoi function | 14:16 |
| knome | heh | 14:16 |
| madnick | So it will need to be GPL i guess :P | 14:16 |
| knome | no problem for me. | 14:17 |
| knome | you will actually need to change one more thing on both plymouth and lightdm. | 14:18 |
| knome | the wallpaper | 14:18 |
| madnick | :O | 14:18 |
| madnick | what shall we use instead? | 14:18 |
| knome | something i'm working on RIGHT NOW | 14:18 |
| madnick | oh ^^ | 14:18 |
| madnick | I know what I will make for my personal LightDM screen :)) | 14:19 |
| knome | heh | 14:20 |
| charlie-tca | No wallpaper change until it has been approved! | 14:20 |
| knome | heh | 14:20 |
| knome | yeah | 14:20 |
| knome | you can approve it right after it's ready! ;) | 14:20 |
| knome | this is going to be awesome | 14:20 |
| charlie-tca | madnick: ignore that. We can use it as is | 14:20 |
| knome | i know it already | 14:20 |
| knome | what? | 14:20 |
| knome | :) | 14:20 |
| knome | i told i was going to work on a wallpaper this weekend | 14:20 |
| madnick | btw, 1 more thing for LightDM | 14:21 |
| knome | mm? | 14:21 |
| madnick | version number from lsb_release | 14:21 |
| madnick | but that will ahve to be a string | 14:22 |
| madnick | (todays oneiric had the dev environment tools needed to test lightdm :D) | 14:24 |
| charlie-tca | Oh, good | 14:26 |
| charlie-tca | knome: why not finish the website, so we can get it up and running before release of oneiric? | 14:46 |
| knome | charlie-tca, i do have time today, and tomorrow too. i'm using it all for all this, so i can definitely do both. | 14:47 |
| charlie-tca | We really need to get the website done, you know it will take IT a while to get it up for us | 14:54 |
| knome | yes. | 14:59 |
| knome | i am aware of the whole process we need to go through | 14:59 |
| charlie-tca | and, yes, I am aware that a really good wallpaper is desireable for this release. Let's see what you can do. But the website should be a priority, please. | 15:11 |
| charlie-tca | I guess that is one of the key things about Xubuntu, we seldom run the same wallpaper twice :) | 15:12 |
| madnick | No luck getting --test-mode to run my greeter | 15:13 |
| madnick | Wasnt there a way of installing greeters in a simple manner? | 15:13 |
| charlie-tca | The only thing I have is: | 15:14 |
| charlie-tca | sudo /usr/lib/lightdm/lightdm-set-defaults --session=xubuntu | 15:14 |
| charlie-tca | sudo /usr/lib/lightdm/lightdm-set-defaults --greeter=lightdm-gtk-greeter | 15:14 |
| charlie-tca | if you don't want to override any existing settings, add --keep-old | 15:14 |
| charlie-tca | from mr_pouit | 15:14 |
| charlie-tca | and it worked to replace the unity-greeter here | 15:14 |
| madnick | ok, thanks | 15:15 |
| charlie-tca | so much has changed with lightdm, I am not sure any of the docs are right any more. | 15:17 |
| mr_pouit | i'm available in ~15 min if you need me :p | 15:17 |
| charlie-tca | Okay | 15:18 |
| charlie-tca | yes, we need you | 15:18 |
| madnick | no, it is a bit of a pain, and even tho there is docs about writing a greeter, some of the source code is plain wrong | 15:18 |
| madnick | best thing is to look at the example-gtk-greeter | 15:18 |
| charlie-tca | Wrong because of the recent changes, isn't it? | 15:18 |
| madnick | Yes to headers | 15:18 |
| mr_pouit | for the plymouth/lightdm thing, you can either prepare a tarball for me, or a bzr branch, or look in lp:xubuntu-artwork, or we'll see after :P | 15:18 |
| madnick | And also wrong because of actual typos :P | 15:18 |
| charlie-tca | madnick: ^ ^ | 15:18 |
| madnick | mr_pouit: ill setup a tarball | 15:19 |
| charlie-tca | You might have a wallpaper change yet, give it until monday if you can? | 15:19 |
| charlie-tca | mr_pouit: how do we change the logo used on the cd menus? | 15:19 |
| charlie-tca | We are still using the old old logo | 15:19 |
| madnick | Might as well have a tarball ready that just swaps the bg | 15:20 |
| charlie-tca | knome: ^ ^ okay? | 15:20 |
| mr_pouit | I filed a bug about that a long time ago, but I forgot about it I guess (and people didn't see it) | 15:20 |
| knome | sure | 15:20 |
| charlie-tca | I remembered seeing it, but don't know if I can find it | 15:20 |
| knome | i think i need to get some more tree-photo-material | 15:21 |
| madnick | http://www.madnick.se/~madnick/xubuntu/xubuntu-plymouth.tar.gz | 15:25 |
| madnick | thunder :| | 15:26 |
| knome | sunshine | 15:26 |
| madnick | its been raining for 2 days, like *alot* :) | 15:26 |
| knome | heh | 15:26 |
| charlie-tca | You have to ping mr_pouit with the url when you are ready to have it added | 15:27 |
| knome | i'll ping him today, whether we have a new wall or not | 15:27 |
| madnick | okay :) | 15:28 |
| charlie-tca | mr_pouit: bug 720652 ? | 15:32 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 720652 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "[Xubuntu] maybe-ubiquity/new greeter support" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/720652 | 15:32 |
| mr_pouit | hehe, that's the one | 15:38 |
| charlie-tca | I will push it then, starting Monday, and get us an answer | 15:38 |
| charlie-tca | Hard to get responses from anyone this weekend | 15:39 |
| mr_pouit | madnick: xubuntu-plymouth-text.plymouth seems identical to the current one | 15:39 |
| charlie-tca | Oh-oh. That's the one I probably see every boot | 15:40 |
| mr_pouit | (just to be sure it's normal :p) | 15:40 |
| mr_pouit | and am I expected to use default.plymouth or xubuntu-plymouth.plymouth for xubuntu-logo? :p | 15:42 |
| mr_pouit | ^_~ | 15:42 |
| charlie-tca | madnick: mr_pouit asks the tough questions... | 15:43 |
| mr_pouit | (forget about the second question, but I'd rather be sure about the first one before uploading) | 15:46 |
| charlie-tca | hm, he's hiding now? | 15:46 |
| madnick | wait | 15:46 |
| madnick | ill answer sioon mneed to stop cookoing | 15:47 |
| madnick | stop cooking* | 15:47 |
| charlie-tca | heh | 15:47 |
| charlie-tca | okeydokey | 15:47 |
| madnick | ok, stove is off | 15:48 |
| madnick | mr_pouit: yes, it just a version change, it's just the text part, its not themeable | 15:48 |
| madnick | Its an ascii string | 15:49 |
| mr_pouit | okay (I uploaded a new xubuntu artwork package this morning with 11.10 instead of 11.04, that's why they're the same then) | 15:49 |
| madnick | ah :) | 15:49 |
| mr_pouit | I've renamed xubuntu-plymouth back to xubuntu-logo, as I prefer not to change the existing theme name. I hope you're fine with that | 15:50 |
| madnick | Sure | 15:50 |
| madnick | It was just when testing I did not want a conflict with the previous one | 15:51 |
| madnick | I shouldve packed it differently in the tarball | 15:51 |
| madnick | I was just in a little rush :) | 15:51 |
| mr_pouit | that was ok ;-) | 15:51 |
| mr_pouit | madnick: did you write the script from scratch, or did you reuse something existing? | 15:51 |
| mr_pouit | (it's for the debian/copyright) | 15:52 |
| madnick | i rewrote everything except | 15:52 |
| madnick | the atoi function | 15:52 |
| madnick | however there is a minor change to it, i dont remember what but its basically the same atoi functino | 15:53 |
| mr_pouit | mmh, I guess I'll keep the (C) 2009 Canonical Ltd. then :P | 15:53 |
| madnick | sure | 15:53 |
| charlie-tca | So, all this means I see the same black screen with Xubuntu 11.10 now? | 15:54 |
| madnick | hehe, we could change the background color, but i dont see the point :P | 15:55 |
| madnick | i did not really spend much time with the text version | 15:56 |
| madnick | i was focused on the graphical one | 15:56 |
| mr_pouit | well, I put black and white because it was easy to do (and when your screen shows some offset at some low resolutions, it's nice with a black background it's not visible) | 15:57 |
| mr_pouit | but you can change the colors if you want | 15:57 |
| mr_pouit | anyway, thanks for the theme, I'll upload right now | 15:58 |
| charlie-tca | yeah, the current black/white is fine. It is not important enough to spend time on | 15:58 |
| charlie-tca | Having seen the nightmare that the alternate installer background and lightdm backgrounds become when they start changing colors, I don't think I will be the one to say anything. | 15:59 |
| mr_pouit | madnick: (last) question: does your theme include some feedback for fsck? (so I can close Bug #775392) | 16:01 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 775392 in xubuntu-artwork (Ubuntu) "fsck happens silently - this looks like the machine is frozen." [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/775392 | 16:01 |
| madnick | mr_pouit: yes | 16:01 |
| mr_pouit | I think it does, I just want to be sure | 16:01 |
| mr_pouit | nice :) | 16:01 |
| mr_pouit | charlie-tca: are you still affected by Bug #552000 ? I think plymouth will now fallback to the text theme when it can't display the graphical one properly | 16:02 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 552000 in xubuntu-artwork (Ubuntu) "xubuntu logo in plymouth splash screen looks like it has spider webs in it" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/552000 | 16:02 |
| charlie-tca | The logo is still cloudy on my old machines | 16:02 |
| charlie-tca | It is a direct result of the way it is drawn, though. If we are not changing every place it exists, we can sign it off as "by design". | 16:03 |
| charlie-tca | That's what makes the logo bright and shiny looking, too. | 16:03 |
| charlie-tca | I finally understand why it does it! | 16:04 |
| knome | charlie-tca, with this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xubuntu-artwork/+bug/552000/comments/4 we can fix it, just provide an alternative image for lower bit depths | 16:08 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu bug 552000 in xubuntu-artwork (Ubuntu) "xubuntu logo in plymouth splash screen looks like it has spider webs in it" [Medium,Triaged] | 16:08 |
| knome | oh, mr_pouit already commented stuff, blah | 16:08 |
| mr_pouit | mmh? | 16:09 |
| knome | nvm | 16:09 |
| mr_pouit | okay ^_^ | 16:09 |
| charlie-tca | I did provide an alternate image, didn't I? | 16:10 |
| charlie-tca | Should be attached to the bug report | 16:10 |
| knome | hmm. is it pixel edited? | 16:10 |
| charlie-tca | probably | 16:11 |
| knome | right, we could just export that from the svg file | 16:11 |
| charlie-tca | I did it in gimp, where I can blow them up and darken each square | 16:11 |
| charlie-tca | so it becomes a one color image, instead of blended | 16:11 |
| charlie-tca | You do know you lost me in all this, right? | 16:12 |
| charlie-tca | My brain is only partially working today, I guess :) | 16:13 |
| charlie-tca | mr_pouit: I think knome said he can make it work | 16:13 |
| knome | http://temp.knome.fi/xubuntu/oneiric_plymouth/xubuntu_logo_lowdepth.png | 16:13 |
| knome | charlie-tca, ^ a better replacement image for you | 16:13 |
| knome | i know it doesn't look like anything, because it's white on white. :P | 16:14 |
| knome | i just know it can be done technically, i don't know how exactly do that, but steve langasek told it's possible | 16:15 |
| charlie-tca | I can see it! That's really good, knome | 16:16 |
| charlie-tca | That is a clear image here, when I put the background black | 16:16 |
| charlie-tca | Much nicer to see than the other one. | 16:17 |
| mr_pouit | okay, and what do I do with it? :P | 16:18 |
| knome | yeah, because it's exported directly from the original vector | 16:18 |
| mr_pouit | the theme now includes many images | 16:20 |
| madnick | yup | 16:20 |
| mr_pouit | so I don't think changing this one only will look as expected | 16:20 |
| madnick | However quite small ones :) | 16:20 |
| knome | mr_pouit, you write the code that probes if the bit depth is <32bit, and then use that image instead ;) | 16:20 |
| mr_pouit | you got the wrong m, use less <tab> :P | 16:21 |
| * mr_pouit hides | 16:21 | |
| knome | ;) | 16:21 |
| madnick | That would need to be an external program | 16:21 |
| charlie-tca | So, now we made more work for mr_pouit ? | 16:21 |
| knome | or madnick | 16:21 |
| madnick | That invokes plymouth | 16:21 |
| charlie-tca | simpler to sign it off as "by design team" | 16:22 |
| madnick | and sends a status message of screen depth | 16:22 |
| madnick | :P | 16:22 |
| knome | madnick, but we are talking about plymouth | 16:22 |
| knome | ... | 16:22 |
| madnick | hm, what is it that you want to be done? i didnt quite understand | 16:23 |
| knome | madnick, use that image for low depth stuff in plymouth, instead of the glowy one | 16:23 |
| charlie-tca | We want to determine screen depth or something like that, and then switch graphics depending on screen capability | 16:24 |
| charlie-tca | knome: what if we just used that one for the text version, and the glowing one for the graphics version? | 16:24 |
| madnick | yes, that would need to be an external call to plymouth with that information | 16:24 |
| mr_pouit | bits_per_pixel = Window.GetBitsPerPixel (); | 16:24 |
| mr_pouit | from the ubuntu-logo theme :) | 16:24 |
| madnick | Oh | 16:24 |
| knome | heh, there you go | 16:24 |
| * knome offers mr_pouit a biscuit | 16:25 | |
| madnick | See, the reference did not mention that :) | 16:25 |
| mr_pouit | maybe it's ubuntu specific | 16:25 |
| knome | maybe | 16:25 |
| mr_pouit | (I mean, that would not be the first time they did that) | 16:25 |
| knome | o'rly | 16:25 |
| charlie-tca | !cookie | 16:26 |
| ubottu | Wow! You're such a great helper, you deserve a cookie! | 16:26 |
| charlie-tca | true enough, Ubuntu does do things just to frustrate the rest of us ;) | 16:26 |
| mr_pouit | madnick: http://paste.ubuntu.com/671056/ | 16:28 |
| mr_pouit | here's the test from ubuntu-logo | 16:28 |
| madnick | okay | 16:28 |
| madnick | shall i put an equiv in? | 16:28 |
| mr_pouit | if knome can provide the needed pictures, I guess it's ok | 16:29 |
| knome | mr_pouit, let me think... no, i don't think i can ;) | 16:29 |
| knome | of course i can | 16:29 |
| madnick | But only the logotype? | 16:30 |
| knome | i think all the stuff that has the glow | 16:30 |
| madnick | its gonna be *alot* if images :) | 16:30 |
| knome | i know. | 16:30 |
| knome | it's not a big thing though | 16:30 |
| knome | but i'll do that a bit later, a short break -> | 16:30 |
| charlie-tca | At least the text based screen | 16:30 |
| madnick | Why do they do bits_per_pixel==4? | 16:32 |
| madnick | isnt that quite very low? :P | 16:32 |
| charlie-tca | for people with monitors like mine? | 16:32 |
| madnick | No I mean, I dont quite understand bits per pixel, are we talking VGA mode? | 16:33 |
| * charlie-tca going hide; sounds like a language he didn't learn yet | 16:33 | |
| mr_pouit | madnick: apparently, when normal images are supported, it returns 0 ;D | 16:34 |
| madnick | oh | 16:34 |
| madnick | oh i found a comitt | 16:35 |
| madnick | commit* | 16:35 |
| madnick | unless i know why it returns 4 | 16:38 |
| madnick | I should probagbly do == 0) {} else | 16:38 |
| mr_pouit | uhm, no, imho you should do what the ubuntu-logo theme does | 16:39 |
| madnick | Well, 4 bits per pixel, 16 colors right? Did we not want < 32? | 16:41 |
| madnick | 18:20 < knome> mr_pouit, you write the code that probes if the bit depth is <32bit | 16:43 |
| madnick | But Ill just use that version, but I bet there is a reason to it returning 4 :P | 16:43 |
| charlie-tca | yes, old monitors won't show right at 32 | 16:44 |
| mr_pouit | madnick: I also think that ;-) | 16:44 |
| charlie-tca | Some of the old monitors only work at 16 color | 16:44 |
| charlie-tca | before the file buffers or something is changed | 16:44 |
| charlie-tca | or something else I don't understand | 16:46 |
| madnick | I wish I could answer, but I never finished my VGA project ( http://www.madnick.se/~madnick/vga.jpg ) other than that I know mostly about pure text mode, because thats what i encountered in my work :\ | 16:55 |
| charlie-tca | isn't that like building the hardware itself? | 16:58 |
| madnick | I do build hardware myself, I was an embeded developer, but the VGA stuff is the same on normal computers as in what i had in mind :) | 16:59 |
| mr_pouit | ok, I've uploaded your theme as is | 17:03 |
| madnick | oh | 17:03 |
| madnick | Okay | 17:03 |
| mr_pouit | I'll include the 16bpp fallback tomorrow | 17:03 |
| madnick | I made the changes, just waiting on filenames | 17:03 |
| madnick | oh okay | 17:03 |
| madnick | :) | 17:03 |
| mr_pouit | maybe with other fixes if testers report some issues ;-) | 17:03 |
| madnick | :D | 17:03 |
| madnick | It has been tested | 17:03 |
| madnick | Alot ;) | 17:03 |
| mr_pouit | huhu | 17:04 |
| madnick | So i hope its all in order | 17:04 |
| charlie-tca | hueard it all before... :) | 17:04 |
| madnick | :D | 17:04 |
| mr_pouit | (I also want to see how much oversized we are before adding even more pngs) | 17:04 |
| mr_pouit | ah, i386 ships one more langpack, so we can remove it if necessary | 17:08 |
| knome | madnick, mr_pouit: let's ship with the old wall | 22:51 |
| knome | got to go to bed + stuff | 22:51 |
| knome | see you tomorrow | 22:51 |
| knome | madnick, i'll export you the low depth stuff tomorrow too | 22:52 |
| madnick | knome: okay cool :) | 23:02 |
| Unit193 | Awww... We don't get to see what he's working on :P | 23:21 |
| madnick | :( | 23:53 |
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