[04:59] madnick, mmm... good morning! i just installed a new psu! [05:00] (on other words, a very late evening to you all) [05:01] morning, knome :) [05:02] Good night pleia2 , knome (not going to sleep, just a greeting) [05:02] night Unit193 [05:06] hehe [05:06] i just made a decision, that i'll never ever buy a non-modular psu again [05:07] modular++ [05:07] of course, i'm (probably) forced to do that on the next occasion, but as far as i can choose.. [05:07] I learned that the hard way too [05:07] didn't learn that the hard way really [05:07] that was my first ever self-installed PSU's [05:07] oh :) [05:08] upgraded from 450W to 650W, and now all the devices are turned on every boot [05:08] (yay) [05:08] hehe, that's good [05:08] yeah, that's kind of nice :P [05:08] Eh, you don't need a CD drive... [05:08] Or a HDD [05:09] actually, the problem was that the sound card was not turned on every boot [05:09] no problems with other devices at all. [05:09] I bet that was fun to debug [05:10] boot, gmb, play, BLAH, boot, gmb, play, BLAH, boot, gmb, play, BLAH, boot, gmb, play, BLAH, boot, "oh, i have sound" [05:10] i think my record was 9 boots. [05:10] you can imagine i also hit the fsck boot quite often.. [05:11] heh [05:11] well of course i cancelled, but.. [05:11] i'm wondering what my next move will be [05:11] sleep won't work, that will end up with zombie-knome for the rest of the day [05:11] a shower and some more food might do [05:12] :) [05:12] any more alcohol will also probably fail... [05:13] lol [05:14] only if it's with orange juice, that makes it healthy and breakfasty [05:15] rum with orange juice? :| [05:15] though i don't think we have any orange juice [05:15] usually it would be vodka or sparkling wine [05:16] the only alcohol there is is rum [05:16] and a bottle of beer preserved for special occasion [05:16] and that's got nothing to do with orange juice. [05:16] indeed [05:17] i think the next step is updating my beerlog [05:17] beerlog++ [05:18] huh, this was definitely night of crazy ideas [05:18] we went to shop to buy a new PS3 controller for a friend, just so we could play a game with three players [05:19] (i also bought the PSU on the same trip) [05:19] hehe [05:19] * knome 's beerlog for this year is at http://wiki.knome.fi/olut:2011 [05:21] I had Innis & Gunn for the first time recently [05:21] the rum cask version is fabulous [05:22] we ended the beer-drinking night today with that [05:22] then went to rum [05:22] :P [05:22] nicely done [05:22] also, if you can get your hands on one of those longer matured bottles, they are very fantastic too [05:22] (i&g) [05:23] I haven't looked for it around here (was in canada visiting my sister when I had it) [05:23] mm-hmm [05:24] what did you think of it, btw? :P [05:24] i instantly thought you'd love it [05:24] I liked it, the one I had was very vanillay [05:24] they all have that sameish aroma [05:24] http://www.flickr.com/photos/pleia2/5774149187/ [05:25] the blonde [05:25] blonde? i've never had that [05:25] how much alc vol% [05:25] the internet says 6% [05:25] mm-hmmm [05:26] the rum cask and the original have more [05:26] yeah, 6 is on the low end of what I typically enjoy [05:26] i think that actually even improves it, without having had the "lighter" version [05:32] oki, beerlog updated :) [10:26] madnick, shall we look at the theme stuff later today? [10:26] knome: yes please :D [10:27] madnick, didn't go to summer cottage this weekend to be able to get some free time with these [10:27] :) [10:27] i need to eat first, a friend is coming over for that in an hour or so, and after that i'm free [10:27] (before that, i think i'll do some work with other things) [10:28] okay, ill be here, if not, just highlight me :) [10:29] sure, great [10:31] I hope the oneiric cd's work today, have not been able to test the lightdm theme :< [10:37] :| [10:55] bbl [11:56] http://www.madnick.se/~madnick/xubuntu/xubuntu-greeter-draft6.png [12:03] oh, yes, password shouldnt have < > ;( [13:31] Good morning [13:31] morning [13:31] mr_pouit: do you have time to see why the desktop image is failing to build? [13:33] madnick: how goes the lightdm screen? [13:37] charlie-tca: ill paste a screesshot, let me just fire up the testmode :) [13:38] astraljava: gilir from lubuntu is fixing the issues with Users and Groups for derivatives [13:38] charlie-tca: http://www.madnick.se/~madnick/xubuntu/xubuntu-greeter-draft7.png [13:39] madnick, that looks realy good. can we maybe make the text on the boxes lighter? [13:39] Should I add "Select session" to make it clearer? [13:39] knome: yes sure [13:39] i don't think "select session" is needed [13:39] That looks good [13:39] "session" is already quite descriptive [13:39] If the text is lighter, will it disappear? [13:39] nope [13:39] charlie-tca, no, it will stand out more [13:40] knome, madnick : agreed on session [13:40] already descriptive enough [13:40] either you know what session is or then don't "select" doesn't really help [13:40] up [13:40] yup [13:40] and might confuse, if you think you always need to select something :) [13:40] Im setting up a dev environment on Oneiric now [13:40] It's just the icon alone that left me confused as to what I needed for a session [13:41] to test this [13:41] madnick, from which icon theme are those icons? elementary? [13:41] knome: yes [13:41] from elementary [13:41] okay. i'll give you better icons soonish, based on those [13:41] okay [13:41] also, i think the arrows work like this as well (no special reason to make them up/down) [13:42] knome: i thought that it might be too small to click on [13:42] can you bold them (does that make any difference to the looks?) [13:42] if they where ^ [13:42] yeah [13:42] they arent exactly large now either [13:42] Nope, but they are spread out [13:42] So you cant click on wrong :P [13:42] so there is some invisible, but clickable padding? [13:42] With them on both ends this way, there is less chance of hitting the wrong one [13:43] knome: there could be [13:43] madnick, that would be nice. that could even spread to the border of the screen [13:43] :) [13:43] madnick, then it would be REALLY easy to hit one of those [13:43] if that's too hard, just forget it, but some padding would definitely be ++ [13:44] oki, but knome shall we work on plymouth? [13:44] charlie-tca, does the accessibility icon definitely need the blue circle, or would it work without it as well? [13:44] sure, i'll just work those icons out now, so we can get lightdm finished now [13:45] at least from the graphical side [13:45] lightdm needs more C code, but the UI [13:45] yeah [13:45] :P [13:45] do you remember those icon paths/names from the top of your head? [13:45] yes [13:46] shoot [13:46] Internationally recognized symbol for accessibility is the man in a cirlce, [13:46] /usr/share/icons/elementary/apps/32$ [13:46] -$ :) [13:46] thanks [13:46] so, if we can, it would be best to keep it [13:46] charlie-tca, okay, i'll keep it there, but not quite as it is now - i'll let you have a look first [13:47] i really need help packaging plymouth later, because i made my package look like the old plymouth, but im not sure how to "build it", and i get conflicting information from the internet [13:47] heh [13:47] knome: can make it an outline instead of shaded circle, too [13:48] charlie-tca, i think a circle would work, just a sec [13:48] charlie-tca: it should be fixed already (murrine-themes got synced when I was away, so I couldn't upload a fixed xubuntu-artwork right after) [13:48] knome: btw, the high contrast for accessability; it needs to be implemented into the greeter [13:48] And im not sure what high contrast would mean :) [13:48] mr_pouit: Thanks, will look for them tomorrow to test then [13:49] madnick, is it as easy as me telling you which colors to put where? [13:49] madnick: high contrast is just a theme selected for the desktop [13:49] knome: yes it is [13:49] oki [13:49] install accessibility themes, gives you "high contrast" in both appearance and xfwm4 [13:50] Yes, I guess I could read the data from that theme [13:50] It changes the displays to white background, black outlines, black text, black icons [13:51] Do you want a screenshot? [13:52] charlie-tca: hm, in lightdm gtk greeter, it changes to dark blue, and like yellowish stuff [13:52] To those who do not need it, it is quite difficult to use [13:52] That will work. It should be very good contrast as opposed to normal [13:52] http://temp.knome.fi/xubuntu/oneiric_lightdm/accessibility_icon.png [13:52] http://temp.knome.fi/xubuntu/oneiric_lightdm/shutdown_icon.png [13:52] madnick, ^ try those [13:53] knome: okay [13:53] madnick, also, add some padding vs. the top and the right edge of screen (maybe sth like 5-7px) [13:53] knome: those are fine [13:53] yeah [13:53] a bit simpler than the default elementary icons, but fine for the lightdm [13:54] madnick, so, the thing with plymouth is... only the progress bar/circle? [13:54] or is there something else left to think? [13:55] i'm starting to think, just keep the bar going back and forth for now, and fix it in oneiric+1 [13:55] :P [13:55] no really [13:55] http://www.madnick.se/~madnick/xubuntu/xubuntu-greeter-draft8.png [13:55] it's badish, but it's not the end of the world [13:55] great! [13:56] do you think the icons are maybe a tad big? [13:56] so, keep plymouth as it is? [13:56] can i have one more shot of it, and then i can say yes [13:56] ;) [13:56] knome: not on a normal screen :P [13:56] okay, that's probably true [13:56] knome: 1 more shot? [13:56] ok [13:56] yeah [13:56] i'm not sure about the lightdm "log in" button either [13:57] * madnick thought you meant screenshot :) [13:57] it's a bit... weird [13:57] yes, screenshot :D [13:57] so i can just see that it is fine, really [13:57] what should i change in the ldm [13:57] or did you mean [13:57] mmh [13:57] plymouth? [13:57] no i meant [13:57] 1) can i have a screenshot of plymouth, so i can tell you it's ok [13:57] okay [13:58] 2) the lightdm log in -button needs tweaking graphically [13:58] ok, ill setup a new screenshot of plymouth 1 sec [13:58] thanks [13:58] i'll get something to drink [13:58] err, it uses the old one :) [13:58] 1 sec [13:59] heh, no hurry [14:02] what does our livecd boot screen look like? [14:02] i mean, the equivalent to http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d3/Xubuntu_Live_or_install.png [14:02] charlie-tca? [14:04] oh holy ... this was hard, i ruined the configs [14:04] That is the menu screen from the desktop cd [14:04] ouch? :) [14:04] charlie-tca, we still have the same old logo there? [14:04] from there, if you choose the top option, you get plymouth until the live session starts [14:04] yes, we do [14:04] ouch... [14:05] mr_pouit, madnick: know how to change that? :P [14:05] we have a bug on it, but it may have gotten confused with the "still shows 11.04 logo " bug [14:05] 11.04? ;) [14:06] yes, plymouth in text mode shows "Xubuntu 11.04" with the dots under it [14:06] right [14:06] I think mr_pouit fixed that today [14:06] heh, okay [14:06] but the livecd still uses the old loho? [14:07] *logo [14:07] but we still have the old logo on the cd menu, yes [14:07] i can export/create one suitable for that today, if somebody tells me the specs [14:07] *wink* [14:07] Keep in mind, that is on both images [14:07] sure [14:07] alternate and desktop cd use a menu [14:07] yeah [14:07] the worse it is that we do have the old logo there [14:08] http://www.madnick.se/~madnick/xubuntu/screenie.png [14:08] thats without fsck [14:08] and without prompt [14:09] this is what 99% of users will see 99% of the time [14:09] looks fine to me. [14:09] me too :P [14:09] That looks good! [14:09] let's package it [14:09] charlie-tca: question is how :\ [14:09] I did a package in 2006 IIRC [14:09] :P [14:09] let's file a bug about the progress element not being circular right after UI freeze ;) [14:09] mr_pouit: how do we get the new plymouth package ready now? [14:10] knome: :D [14:10] i'm serious. [14:10] we need help, mr_pouit [14:10] i want that fixed in o+1 [14:10] got a new lightdm screen and plymouth for oneiric, but don't know how to get it packaged to put into the images and seeds [14:11] Wishlist, knome [14:11] i think i'll just file a high priority bug, assigned to me [14:11] ;) [14:11] mr_pouit: and we will need a FFe, won't we? [14:12] Someone said we had one for plymouth [14:12] a new plymouth/light theme isn't exactly a new feature, is it? [14:12] iirc [14:12] not really a feature [14:12] That is true :P [14:12] Depends on whether or not we ever had one, doesn't it? [14:13] as long as we've seeded plymouth before FF, i don't think a new theme makes a new feature, even if we didn't have plymouth in natty [14:13] but that's just me, and the ubuntu bureaucracy might think differently [14:13] well, I guess we wait for mr_pouit to give us the answer [14:14] in any case, i don't think getting a FFe is too hard [14:15] I need a license dont i :(( [14:15] I just GPL it? [14:15] put the standard GPL stuff in there [14:15] just use whatever license we've used before [14:15] so GPL [14:16] from my POV, it could even be PD, but i think mr_pouit has wanted to use GPL ;) [14:16] Well, there is 1 function i semi stole from the previous script [14:16] the atoi function [14:16] heh [14:16] So it will need to be GPL i guess :P [14:17] no problem for me. [14:18] you will actually need to change one more thing on both plymouth and lightdm. [14:18] the wallpaper [14:18] :O [14:18] what shall we use instead? [14:18] something i'm working on RIGHT NOW [14:18] oh ^^ [14:19] I know what I will make for my personal LightDM screen :)) [14:20] heh [14:20] No wallpaper change until it has been approved! [14:20] heh [14:20] yeah [14:20] you can approve it right after it's ready! ;) [14:20] this is going to be awesome [14:20] madnick: ignore that. We can use it as is [14:20] i know it already [14:20] what? [14:20] :) [14:20] i told i was going to work on a wallpaper this weekend [14:21] btw, 1 more thing for LightDM [14:21] mm? [14:21] version number from lsb_release [14:22] but that will ahve to be a string [14:24] (todays oneiric had the dev environment tools needed to test lightdm :D) [14:26] Oh, good [14:46] knome: why not finish the website, so we can get it up and running before release of oneiric? [14:47] charlie-tca, i do have time today, and tomorrow too. i'm using it all for all this, so i can definitely do both. [14:54] We really need to get the website done, you know it will take IT a while to get it up for us [14:59] yes. [14:59] i am aware of the whole process we need to go through [15:11] and, yes, I am aware that a really good wallpaper is desireable for this release. Let's see what you can do. But the website should be a priority, please. [15:12] I guess that is one of the key things about Xubuntu, we seldom run the same wallpaper twice :) [15:13] No luck getting --test-mode to run my greeter [15:13] Wasnt there a way of installing greeters in a simple manner? [15:14] The only thing I have is: [15:14] sudo /usr/lib/lightdm/lightdm-set-defaults --session=xubuntu [15:14] sudo /usr/lib/lightdm/lightdm-set-defaults --greeter=lightdm-gtk-greeter [15:14] if you don't want to override any existing settings, add --keep-old [15:14] from mr_pouit [15:14] and it worked to replace the unity-greeter here [15:15] ok, thanks [15:17] so much has changed with lightdm, I am not sure any of the docs are right any more. [15:17] i'm available in ~15 min if you need me :p [15:18] Okay [15:18] yes, we need you [15:18] no, it is a bit of a pain, and even tho there is docs about writing a greeter, some of the source code is plain wrong [15:18] best thing is to look at the example-gtk-greeter [15:18] Wrong because of the recent changes, isn't it? [15:18] Yes to headers [15:18] for the plymouth/lightdm thing, you can either prepare a tarball for me, or a bzr branch, or look in lp:xubuntu-artwork, or we'll see after :P [15:18] And also wrong because of actual typos :P [15:18] madnick: ^ ^ [15:19] mr_pouit: ill setup a tarball [15:19] You might have a wallpaper change yet, give it until monday if you can? [15:19] mr_pouit: how do we change the logo used on the cd menus? [15:19] We are still using the old old logo [15:20] Might as well have a tarball ready that just swaps the bg [15:20] knome: ^ ^ okay? [15:20] I filed a bug about that a long time ago, but I forgot about it I guess (and people didn't see it) [15:20] sure [15:20] I remembered seeing it, but don't know if I can find it [15:21] i think i need to get some more tree-photo-material [15:25] http://www.madnick.se/~madnick/xubuntu/xubuntu-plymouth.tar.gz [15:26] thunder :| [15:26] sunshine [15:26] its been raining for 2 days, like *alot* :) [15:26] heh [15:27] You have to ping mr_pouit with the url when you are ready to have it added [15:27] i'll ping him today, whether we have a new wall or not [15:28] okay :) [15:32] mr_pouit: bug 720652 ? [15:32] Launchpad bug 720652 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "[Xubuntu] maybe-ubiquity/new greeter support" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/720652 [15:38] hehe, that's the one [15:38] I will push it then, starting Monday, and get us an answer [15:39] Hard to get responses from anyone this weekend [15:39] madnick: xubuntu-plymouth-text.plymouth seems identical to the current one [15:40] Oh-oh. That's the one I probably see every boot [15:40] (just to be sure it's normal :p) [15:42] and am I expected to use default.plymouth or xubuntu-plymouth.plymouth for xubuntu-logo? :p [15:42] ^_~ [15:43] madnick: mr_pouit asks the tough questions... [15:46] (forget about the second question, but I'd rather be sure about the first one before uploading) [15:46] hm, he's hiding now? [15:46] wait [15:47] ill answer sioon mneed to stop cookoing [15:47] stop cooking* [15:47] heh [15:47] okeydokey [15:48] ok, stove is off [15:48] mr_pouit: yes, it just a version change, it's just the text part, its not themeable [15:49] Its an ascii string [15:49] okay (I uploaded a new xubuntu artwork package this morning with 11.10 instead of 11.04, that's why they're the same then) [15:49] ah :) [15:50] I've renamed xubuntu-plymouth back to xubuntu-logo, as I prefer not to change the existing theme name. I hope you're fine with that [15:50] Sure [15:51] It was just when testing I did not want a conflict with the previous one [15:51] I shouldve packed it differently in the tarball [15:51] I was just in a little rush :) [15:51] that was ok ;-) [15:51] madnick: did you write the script from scratch, or did you reuse something existing? [15:52] (it's for the debian/copyright) [15:52] i rewrote everything except [15:52] the atoi function [15:53] however there is a minor change to it, i dont remember what but its basically the same atoi functino [15:53] mmh, I guess I'll keep the (C) 2009 Canonical Ltd. then :P [15:53] sure [15:54] So, all this means I see the same black screen with Xubuntu 11.10 now? [15:55] hehe, we could change the background color, but i dont see the point :P [15:56] i did not really spend much time with the text version [15:56] i was focused on the graphical one [15:57] well, I put black and white because it was easy to do (and when your screen shows some offset at some low resolutions, it's nice with a black background it's not visible) [15:57] but you can change the colors if you want [15:58] anyway, thanks for the theme, I'll upload right now [15:58] yeah, the current black/white is fine. It is not important enough to spend time on [15:59] Having seen the nightmare that the alternate installer background and lightdm backgrounds become when they start changing colors, I don't think I will be the one to say anything. [16:01] madnick: (last) question: does your theme include some feedback for fsck? (so I can close Bug #775392) [16:01] Launchpad bug 775392 in xubuntu-artwork (Ubuntu) "fsck happens silently - this looks like the machine is frozen." [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/775392 [16:01] mr_pouit: yes [16:01] I think it does, I just want to be sure [16:01] nice :) [16:02] charlie-tca: are you still affected by Bug #552000 ? I think plymouth will now fallback to the text theme when it can't display the graphical one properly [16:02] Launchpad bug 552000 in xubuntu-artwork (Ubuntu) "xubuntu logo in plymouth splash screen looks like it has spider webs in it" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/552000 [16:02] The logo is still cloudy on my old machines [16:03] It is a direct result of the way it is drawn, though. If we are not changing every place it exists, we can sign it off as "by design". [16:03]