[04:59] <knome> madnick, mmm... good morning! i just installed a new psu!
[05:00] <knome> (on other words, a very late evening to you all)
[05:01] <pleia2> morning, knome :)
[05:02] <Unit193> Good night pleia2 , knome (not going to sleep, just a greeting)
[05:02] <pleia2> night Unit193 
[05:06] <knome> hehe
[05:06] <knome> i just made a decision, that i'll never ever buy a non-modular psu again
[05:07] <pleia2> modular++
[05:07] <knome> of course, i'm (probably) forced to do that on the next occasion, but as far as i can choose..
[05:07] <pleia2> I learned that the hard way too
[05:07] <knome> didn't learn that the hard way really
[05:07] <knome> that was my first ever self-installed PSU's
[05:07] <pleia2> oh :)
[05:08] <knome> upgraded from 450W to 650W, and now all the devices are turned on every boot
[05:08] <knome> (yay)
[05:08] <pleia2> hehe, that's good
[05:08] <knome> yeah, that's kind of nice :P
[05:08] <Unit193> Eh, you don't need a CD drive...
[05:08] <Unit193> Or a HDD
[05:09] <knome> actually, the problem was that the sound card was not turned on every boot
[05:09] <knome> no problems with other devices at all.
[05:09] <pleia2> I bet that was fun to debug
[05:10] <knome> boot, gmb, play, BLAH, boot, gmb, play, BLAH, boot, gmb, play, BLAH, boot, gmb, play, BLAH, boot, "oh, i have sound"
[05:10] <knome> i think my record was 9 boots.
[05:10] <knome> you can imagine i also hit the fsck boot quite often..
[05:11] <pleia2> heh
[05:11] <knome> well of course i cancelled, but..
[05:11] <knome> i'm wondering what my next move will be
[05:11] <knome> sleep won't work, that will end up with zombie-knome for the rest of the day
[05:11] <knome> a shower and some more food might do
[05:12] <pleia2> :)
[05:12] <knome> any more alcohol will also probably fail...
[05:13] <pleia2> lol
[05:14] <pleia2> only if it's with orange juice, that makes it healthy and breakfasty
[05:15] <knome> rum with orange juice? :|
[05:15] <knome> though i don't think we have any orange juice
[05:15] <pleia2> usually it would be vodka or sparkling wine
[05:16] <knome> the only alcohol there is is rum
[05:16] <knome> and a bottle of beer preserved for special occasion
[05:16] <knome> and that's got nothing to do with orange juice.
[05:16] <pleia2> indeed
[05:17] <knome> i think the next step is updating my beerlog
[05:17] <pleia2> beerlog++
[05:18] <knome> huh, this was definitely night of crazy ideas
[05:18] <knome> we went to shop to buy a new PS3 controller for a friend, just so we could play a game with three players
[05:19] <knome> (i also bought the PSU on the same trip)
[05:19] <pleia2> hehe
[05:19]  * knome 's beerlog for this year is at http://wiki.knome.fi/olut:2011
[05:21] <pleia2> I had Innis & Gunn for the first time recently
[05:21] <knome> the rum cask version is fabulous
[05:22] <knome> we ended the beer-drinking night today with that
[05:22] <knome> then went to rum
[05:22] <knome> :P
[05:22] <pleia2> nicely done
[05:22] <knome> also, if you can get your hands on one of those longer matured bottles, they are very fantastic too
[05:22] <knome> (i&g)
[05:23] <pleia2> I haven't looked for it around here (was in canada visiting my sister when I had it)
[05:23] <knome> mm-hmm
[05:24] <knome> what did you think of it, btw? :P
[05:24] <knome> i instantly thought you'd love it
[05:24] <pleia2> I liked it, the one I had was very vanillay
[05:24] <knome> they all have that sameish aroma
[05:24] <pleia2> http://www.flickr.com/photos/pleia2/5774149187/
[05:25] <pleia2> the blonde
[05:25] <knome> blonde? i've never had that
[05:25] <knome> how much alc vol%
[05:25] <pleia2> the internet says 6%
[05:25] <knome> mm-hmmm
[05:26] <knome> the rum cask and the original have more
[05:26] <pleia2> yeah, 6 is on the low end of what I typically enjoy
[05:26] <knome> i think that actually even improves it, without having had the "lighter" version
[05:32] <knome> oki, beerlog updated :)
[10:26] <knome> madnick, shall we look at the theme stuff later today?
[10:26] <madnick> knome: yes please :D
[10:27] <knome> madnick, didn't go to summer cottage this weekend to be able to get some free time with these
[10:27] <madnick> :)
[10:27] <knome> i need to eat first, a friend is coming over for that in an hour or so, and after that i'm free
[10:27] <knome> (before that, i think i'll do some work with other things)
[10:28] <madnick> okay, ill be here, if not, just highlight me :)
[10:29] <knome> sure, great
[10:31] <madnick> I hope the oneiric cd's work today, have not been able to test the lightdm theme :<
[10:37] <knome> :|
[10:55] <knome> bbl
[11:56] <madnick> http://www.madnick.se/~madnick/xubuntu/xubuntu-greeter-draft6.png
[12:03] <madnick> oh, yes, password shouldnt have < > ;(
[13:31] <charlie-tca> Good morning
[13:31] <madnick> morning
[13:31] <charlie-tca> mr_pouit: do you have time to see why the desktop image is failing to build?
[13:33] <charlie-tca> madnick: how goes the lightdm screen?
[13:37] <madnick> charlie-tca: ill paste a screesshot, let me just fire up the testmode :)
[13:38] <charlie-tca> astraljava: gilir from lubuntu is fixing the issues with Users and Groups for derivatives
[13:38] <madnick> charlie-tca: http://www.madnick.se/~madnick/xubuntu/xubuntu-greeter-draft7.png
[13:39] <knome> madnick, that looks realy good. can we maybe make the text on the boxes lighter?
[13:39] <madnick> Should I add "Select session" to make it clearer?
[13:39] <madnick> knome: yes sure
[13:39] <knome> i don't think "select session" is needed
[13:39] <charlie-tca> That looks good
[13:39] <knome> "session" is already quite descriptive
[13:39] <charlie-tca> If the text is lighter, will it disappear?
[13:39] <madnick> nope
[13:39] <knome> charlie-tca, no, it will stand out more
[13:40] <charlie-tca> knome, madnick : agreed on session
[13:40] <charlie-tca> already descriptive enough
[13:40] <knome> either you know what session is or then don't "select" doesn't really help
[13:40] <charlie-tca> up
[13:40] <charlie-tca> yup
[13:40] <knome> and might confuse, if you think you always need to select something :)
[13:40] <madnick> Im setting up a dev environment on Oneiric now
[13:40] <charlie-tca> It's just the icon alone that left me confused as to what I needed for a session
[13:41] <madnick> to test this
[13:41] <knome> madnick, from which icon theme are those icons? elementary?
[13:41] <madnick> knome: yes
[13:41] <madnick> from elementary
[13:41] <knome> okay. i'll give you better icons soonish, based on those
[13:41] <madnick> okay
[13:41] <knome> also, i think the arrows work like this as well (no special reason to make them up/down)
[13:42] <madnick> knome: i thought that it might be too small to click on
[13:42] <knome> can you bold them (does that make any difference to the looks?)
[13:42] <madnick> if they where ^
[13:42] <knome> yeah
[13:42] <knome> they arent exactly large now either
[13:42] <madnick> Nope, but they are spread out
[13:42] <madnick> So you cant click on wrong :P
[13:42] <knome> so there is some invisible, but clickable padding?
[13:42] <charlie-tca> With them on both ends this way, there is less chance of hitting the wrong one
[13:43] <madnick> knome: there could be
[13:43] <knome> madnick, that would be nice. that could even spread to the border of the screen
[13:43] <madnick> :)
[13:43] <knome> madnick, then it would be REALLY easy to hit one of those
[13:43] <knome> if that's too hard, just forget it, but some padding would definitely be ++
[13:44] <madnick> oki, but knome shall we work on plymouth?
[13:44] <knome> charlie-tca, does the accessibility icon definitely need the blue circle, or would it work without it as well?
[13:44] <knome> sure, i'll just work those icons out now, so we can get lightdm finished now
[13:45] <knome> at least from the graphical side
[13:45] <madnick> lightdm needs more C code, but the UI 
[13:45] <madnick> yeah
[13:45] <madnick> :P
[13:45] <knome> do you remember those icon paths/names from the top of your head?
[13:45] <madnick> yes
[13:46] <knome> shoot
[13:46] <charlie-tca> Internationally recognized symbol for accessibility is the man in a cirlce, 
[13:46] <madnick> /usr/share/icons/elementary/apps/32$
[13:46] <madnick> -$ :)
[13:46] <knome> thanks
[13:46] <charlie-tca> so, if we can, it would be best to keep it
[13:46] <knome> charlie-tca, okay, i'll keep it there, but not quite as it is now - i'll let you have a look first
[13:47] <madnick> i really need help packaging plymouth later, because i made my package look like the old plymouth, but im not sure how to "build it", and i get conflicting information from the internet
[13:47] <knome> heh
[13:47] <charlie-tca> knome: can make it an outline instead of shaded circle, too
[13:48] <knome> charlie-tca, i think a circle would work, just a sec
[13:48] <mr_pouit> charlie-tca: it should be fixed already (murrine-themes got synced when I was away, so I couldn't upload a fixed xubuntu-artwork right after)
[13:48] <madnick> knome: btw, the high contrast for accessability; it needs to be implemented into the greeter
[13:48] <madnick> And im not sure what high contrast would mean :)
[13:48] <charlie-tca> mr_pouit: Thanks, will look for them tomorrow to test then
[13:49] <knome> madnick, is it as easy as me telling you which colors to put where?
[13:49] <charlie-tca> madnick: high contrast is just a theme selected for the desktop
[13:49] <madnick> knome: yes it is
[13:49] <knome> oki
[13:49] <charlie-tca> install accessibility themes, gives you "high contrast"  in both appearance and xfwm4
[13:50] <madnick> Yes, I guess I could read the data from that theme
[13:50] <charlie-tca> It changes the displays to white background, black outlines, black text, black icons
[13:51] <charlie-tca> Do you want a screenshot?
[13:52] <madnick> charlie-tca: hm, in lightdm gtk greeter, it changes to dark blue, and like yellowish stuff
[13:52] <charlie-tca> To those who do not need it, it is quite difficult to use
[13:52] <charlie-tca> That will work. It should be very good contrast as opposed to normal
[13:52] <knome> http://temp.knome.fi/xubuntu/oneiric_lightdm/accessibility_icon.png
[13:52] <knome> http://temp.knome.fi/xubuntu/oneiric_lightdm/shutdown_icon.png
[13:52] <knome> madnick, ^ try those
[13:53] <madnick> knome: okay
[13:53] <knome> madnick, also, add some padding vs. the top and the right edge of screen (maybe sth like 5-7px)
[13:53] <charlie-tca> knome: those are fine
[13:53] <knome> yeah
[13:53] <knome> a bit simpler than the default elementary icons, but fine for the lightdm
[13:54] <knome> madnick, so, the thing with plymouth is... only the progress bar/circle?
[13:54] <knome> or is there something else left to think?
[13:55] <knome> i'm starting to think, just keep the bar going back and forth for now, and fix it in oneiric+1
[13:55] <madnick> :P
[13:55] <knome> no really
[13:55] <madnick> http://www.madnick.se/~madnick/xubuntu/xubuntu-greeter-draft8.png
[13:55] <knome> it's badish, but it's not the end of the world
[13:55] <knome> great!
[13:56] <knome> do you think the icons are maybe a tad big?
[13:56] <madnick> so, keep plymouth as it is?
[13:56] <knome> can i have one more shot of it, and then i can say yes
[13:56] <knome> ;)
[13:56] <madnick> knome: not on a normal screen :P
[13:56] <knome> okay, that's probably true
[13:56] <madnick> knome: 1 more shot?
[13:56] <madnick> ok
[13:56] <knome> yeah
[13:56] <knome> i'm not sure about the lightdm "log in" button either
[13:57]  * madnick thought you meant screenshot :)
[13:57] <knome> it's a bit... weird
[13:57] <knome> yes, screenshot :D
[13:57] <knome> so i can just see that it is fine, really
[13:57] <madnick> what should i change in the ldm
[13:57] <madnick> or did you mean
[13:57] <knome> mmh
[13:57] <madnick> plymouth?
[13:57] <knome> no i meant
[13:57] <knome> 1) can i have a screenshot of plymouth, so i can tell you it's ok
[13:57] <madnick> okay
[13:58] <knome> 2) the lightdm log in -button needs tweaking graphically
[13:58] <madnick> ok, ill setup a new screenshot of plymouth 1 sec
[13:58] <knome> thanks
[13:58] <knome> i'll get something to drink
[13:58] <madnick> err, it uses the old one :)
[13:58] <madnick> 1 sec
[13:59] <knome> heh, no hurry
[14:02] <knome> what does our livecd boot screen look like?
[14:02] <knome> i mean, the equivalent to http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d3/Xubuntu_Live_or_install.png
[14:02] <knome> charlie-tca?
[14:04] <madnick> oh holy ... this was hard, i ruined the configs
[14:04] <charlie-tca> That is the menu screen from the desktop cd
[14:04] <knome> ouch? :)
[14:04] <knome> charlie-tca, we still have the same old logo there?
[14:04] <charlie-tca> from there, if you choose the top option, you get plymouth until the live session starts
[14:04] <charlie-tca> yes, we do
[14:04] <knome> ouch...
[14:05] <knome> mr_pouit, madnick: know how to change that? :P
[14:05] <charlie-tca> we have a bug on it, but it may have gotten confused with the "still shows 11.04 logo "  bug
[14:05] <knome> 11.04? ;)
[14:06] <charlie-tca> yes, plymouth in text mode shows "Xubuntu 11.04" with the dots under it
[14:06] <knome> right
[14:06] <charlie-tca> I think mr_pouit fixed that today
[14:06] <knome> heh, okay
[14:06] <knome> but the livecd still uses the old loho?
[14:07] <knome> *logo
[14:07] <charlie-tca> but we still have the old logo on the cd menu, yes
[14:07] <knome> i can export/create one suitable for that today, if somebody tells me the specs
[14:07] <knome> *wink*
[14:07] <charlie-tca> Keep in mind, that is on both images
[14:07] <knome> sure
[14:07] <charlie-tca> alternate and desktop cd use a menu
[14:07] <knome> yeah
[14:07] <knome> the worse it is that we do have the old logo there
[14:08] <madnick> http://www.madnick.se/~madnick/xubuntu/screenie.png
[14:08] <madnick> thats without fsck
[14:08] <madnick> and without prompt
[14:09] <madnick> this is what 99% of users will see 99% of the time
[14:09] <knome> looks fine to me.
[14:09] <madnick> me too :P
[14:09] <charlie-tca> That looks good!
[14:09] <charlie-tca> let's package it
[14:09] <madnick> charlie-tca: question is how :\
[14:09] <madnick> I did a package in 2006 IIRC
[14:09] <madnick> :P
[14:09] <knome> let's file a bug about the progress element not being circular right after UI freeze ;)
[14:09] <charlie-tca> mr_pouit: how do we get the new plymouth package ready now?
[14:10] <madnick> knome: :D
[14:10] <knome> i'm serious.
[14:10] <charlie-tca> we need help, mr_pouit 
[14:10] <knome> i want that fixed in o+1
[14:10] <charlie-tca> got a new lightdm screen and plymouth for oneiric, but don't know how to get it packaged to put into the images and seeds
[14:11] <charlie-tca> Wishlist, knome 
[14:11] <knome> i think i'll just file a high priority bug, assigned to me
[14:11] <knome> ;)
[14:11] <charlie-tca> mr_pouit: and we will need a FFe, won't we?
[14:12] <madnick> Someone said we had one for plymouth
[14:12] <knome> a new plymouth/light theme isn't exactly a new feature, is it?
[14:12] <madnick> iirc
[14:12] <madnick> not really a feature
[14:12] <madnick> That is true :P
[14:12] <charlie-tca> Depends on whether or not we ever had one, doesn't it?
[14:13] <knome> as long as we've seeded plymouth before FF, i don't think a new theme makes a new feature, even if we didn't have plymouth in natty
[14:13] <knome> but that's just me, and the ubuntu bureaucracy might think differently
[14:13] <charlie-tca> well, I guess we wait for mr_pouit to give us the answer 
[14:14] <knome> in any case, i don't think getting a FFe is too hard
[14:15] <madnick> I need a license dont i :((
[14:15] <madnick> I just GPL it?
[14:15] <madnick> put the standard GPL stuff in there
[14:15] <knome> just use whatever license we've used before
[14:15] <madnick> so GPL
[14:16] <knome> from my POV, it could even be PD, but i think mr_pouit has wanted to use GPL ;)
[14:16] <madnick> Well, there is 1 function i semi stole from the previous script
[14:16] <madnick> the atoi function
[14:16] <knome> heh
[14:16] <madnick> So it will need to be GPL i guess :P
[14:17] <knome> no problem for me.
[14:18] <knome> you will actually need to change one more thing on both plymouth and lightdm.
[14:18] <knome> the wallpaper
[14:18] <madnick> :O
[14:18] <madnick> what shall we use instead?
[14:18] <knome> something i'm working on RIGHT NOW
[14:18] <madnick> oh ^^
[14:19] <madnick> I know what I will make for my personal LightDM screen :))
[14:20] <knome> heh
[14:20] <charlie-tca> No wallpaper change until it has been approved!
[14:20] <knome> heh
[14:20] <knome> yeah
[14:20] <knome> you can approve it right after it's ready! ;)
[14:20] <knome> this is going to be awesome
[14:20] <charlie-tca> madnick: ignore that. We can use it as is
[14:20] <knome> i know it already
[14:20] <knome> what?
[14:20] <knome> :)
[14:20] <knome> i told i was going to work on a wallpaper this weekend
[14:21] <madnick> btw, 1 more thing for LightDM
[14:21] <knome> mm?
[14:21] <madnick> version number from lsb_release
[14:22] <madnick> but that will ahve to be a string
[14:24] <madnick> (todays oneiric had the dev environment tools needed to test lightdm :D)
[14:26] <charlie-tca> Oh, good
[14:46] <charlie-tca> knome: why not finish the website, so we can get it up and running before release of oneiric?
[14:47] <knome> charlie-tca, i do have time today, and tomorrow too. i'm using it all for all this, so i can definitely do both.
[14:54] <charlie-tca> We really need to get the website done, you know it will take IT a while to get it up for us
[14:59] <knome> yes.
[14:59] <knome> i am aware of the whole process we need to go through
[15:11] <charlie-tca> and, yes, I am aware that a really good wallpaper is desireable for this release. Let's see what you can do. But the website should be a priority, please.
[15:12] <charlie-tca> I guess that is one of the key things about Xubuntu, we seldom run the same wallpaper twice :)
[15:13] <madnick> No luck getting --test-mode to run my greeter
[15:13] <madnick> Wasnt there a way of installing greeters in a simple manner?
[15:14] <charlie-tca> The only thing I have is:
[15:14] <charlie-tca> sudo /usr/lib/lightdm/lightdm-set-defaults --session=xubuntu
[15:14] <charlie-tca> sudo /usr/lib/lightdm/lightdm-set-defaults --greeter=lightdm-gtk-greeter
[15:14] <charlie-tca> if you don't want to override any existing settings, add --keep-old
[15:14] <charlie-tca> from mr_pouit 
[15:14] <charlie-tca> and it worked to replace the unity-greeter here
[15:15] <madnick> ok, thanks
[15:17] <charlie-tca> so much has changed with lightdm, I am not sure any of the docs are right any more.
[15:17] <mr_pouit> i'm available in ~15 min if you need me :p
[15:18] <charlie-tca> Okay
[15:18] <charlie-tca> yes, we need you
[15:18] <madnick> no, it is a bit of a pain, and even tho there is docs about writing a greeter, some of the source code is plain wrong
[15:18] <madnick> best thing is to look at the example-gtk-greeter
[15:18] <charlie-tca> Wrong because of the recent changes, isn't it?
[15:18] <madnick> Yes to headers
[15:18] <mr_pouit> for the plymouth/lightdm thing, you can either prepare a tarball for me, or a bzr branch, or look in lp:xubuntu-artwork, or we'll see after :P
[15:18] <madnick> And also wrong because of actual typos :P
[15:18] <charlie-tca> madnick: ^  ^  
[15:19] <madnick> mr_pouit: ill setup a tarball
[15:19] <charlie-tca> You might have a wallpaper change yet, give it until monday if you can?
[15:19] <charlie-tca> mr_pouit: how do we change the logo used on the cd menus?
[15:19] <charlie-tca> We are still using the old old logo
[15:20] <madnick> Might as well have a tarball ready that just swaps the bg
[15:20] <charlie-tca> knome: ^  ^  okay?
[15:20] <mr_pouit> I filed a bug about that a long time ago, but I forgot about it I guess (and people didn't see it)
[15:20] <knome> sure
[15:20] <charlie-tca> I remembered seeing it, but don't know if I can find it
[15:21] <knome> i think i need to get some more tree-photo-material
[15:25] <madnick> http://www.madnick.se/~madnick/xubuntu/xubuntu-plymouth.tar.gz
[15:26] <madnick> thunder :|
[15:26] <knome> sunshine
[15:26] <madnick> its been raining for 2 days, like *alot* :)
[15:26] <knome> heh
[15:27] <charlie-tca> You have to ping mr_pouit with the url when you are ready to have it added
[15:27] <knome> i'll ping him today, whether we have a new wall or not
[15:28] <madnick> okay :)
[15:32] <charlie-tca> mr_pouit: bug 720652 ?
[15:38] <mr_pouit> hehe, that's the one
[15:38] <charlie-tca> I will push it then, starting Monday, and get us an answer
[15:39] <charlie-tca> Hard to get responses from anyone this weekend
[15:39] <mr_pouit> madnick: xubuntu-plymouth-text.plymouth seems identical to the current one
[15:40] <charlie-tca> Oh-oh. That's the one I probably see every boot
[15:40] <mr_pouit> (just to be sure it's normal :p)
[15:42] <mr_pouit> and am I expected to use default.plymouth or xubuntu-plymouth.plymouth for xubuntu-logo? :p
[15:42] <mr_pouit> ^_~
[15:43] <charlie-tca> madnick: mr_pouit asks the tough questions...
[15:46] <mr_pouit> (forget about the second question, but I'd rather be sure about the first one before uploading)
[15:46] <charlie-tca> hm, he's hiding now?
[15:46] <madnick> wait
[15:47] <madnick> ill answer sioon mneed to stop cookoing
[15:47] <madnick> stop cooking*
[15:47] <charlie-tca> heh
[15:47] <charlie-tca> okeydokey
[15:48] <madnick> ok, stove is off
[15:48] <madnick> mr_pouit: yes, it just a version change, it's just the text part, its not themeable
[15:49] <madnick> Its an ascii string
[15:49] <mr_pouit> okay (I uploaded a new xubuntu artwork package this morning with 11.10 instead of 11.04, that's why they're the same then)
[15:49] <madnick> ah :)
[15:50] <mr_pouit> I've renamed xubuntu-plymouth back to xubuntu-logo, as I prefer not to change the existing theme name. I hope you're fine with that
[15:50] <madnick> Sure
[15:51] <madnick> It was just when testing I did not want a conflict with the previous one
[15:51] <madnick> I shouldve packed it differently in the tarball
[15:51] <madnick> I was just in a little rush :)
[15:51] <mr_pouit> that was ok ;-)
[15:51] <mr_pouit> madnick: did you write the script from scratch, or did you reuse something existing?
[15:52] <mr_pouit> (it's for the debian/copyright)
[15:52] <madnick> i rewrote everything except
[15:52] <madnick> the atoi function
[15:53] <madnick> however there is a minor change to it, i dont remember what but its basically the same atoi functino
[15:53] <mr_pouit> mmh, I guess I'll keep the (C) 2009 Canonical Ltd. then :P
[15:53] <madnick> sure
[15:54] <charlie-tca> So, all this means I see the same black screen with Xubuntu 11.10 now?
[15:55] <madnick> hehe, we could change the background color, but i dont see the point :P
[15:56] <madnick> i did not really spend much time with the text version
[15:56] <madnick> i was focused on the graphical one
[15:57] <mr_pouit> well, I put black and white because it was easy to do (and when your screen shows some offset at some low resolutions, it's nice with a black background it's not visible)
[15:57] <mr_pouit> but you can change the colors if you want
[15:58] <mr_pouit> anyway, thanks for the theme, I'll upload right now
[15:58] <charlie-tca> yeah, the current black/white is fine. It is not important enough to spend time on
[15:59] <charlie-tca> Having seen the nightmare that the alternate installer background and lightdm backgrounds become when they start changing colors, I don't think I will be the one to say anything.
[16:01] <mr_pouit> madnick: (last) question: does your theme include some feedback for fsck? (so I can close Bug #775392)
[16:01] <madnick> mr_pouit: yes
[16:01] <mr_pouit> I think it does, I just want to be sure
[16:01] <mr_pouit> nice :)
[16:02] <mr_pouit> charlie-tca: are you still affected by Bug #552000 ? I think plymouth will now fallback to the text theme when it can't display the graphical one properly
[16:02] <charlie-tca> The logo is still cloudy on my old machines
[16:03] <charlie-tca> It is a direct result of the way it is drawn, though. If we are not changing every place it exists, we can sign it off as "by design".
[16:03] <charlie-tca> That's what makes the logo bright and shiny looking, too.
[16:04] <charlie-tca> I finally understand why it does it!
[16:08] <knome> charlie-tca, with this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xubuntu-artwork/+bug/552000/comments/4 we can fix it, just provide an alternative image for lower bit depths
[16:08] <knome> oh, mr_pouit already commented stuff, blah
[16:09] <mr_pouit> mmh?
[16:09] <knome> nvm
[16:09] <mr_pouit> okay ^_^
[16:10] <charlie-tca> I did provide an alternate image, didn't I?
[16:10] <charlie-tca> Should be attached to the bug report
[16:10] <knome> hmm. is it pixel edited?
[16:11] <charlie-tca> probably
[16:11] <knome> right, we could just export that from the svg file
[16:11] <charlie-tca> I did it in gimp, where I can blow them up and darken each square
[16:11] <charlie-tca> so it becomes a one color image, instead of blended
[16:12] <charlie-tca> You do know you lost me in all this, right?
[16:13] <charlie-tca> My brain is only partially working today, I guess :)
[16:13] <charlie-tca> mr_pouit: I think knome said he can make it work
[16:13] <knome> http://temp.knome.fi/xubuntu/oneiric_plymouth/xubuntu_logo_lowdepth.png
[16:13] <knome> charlie-tca, ^ a better replacement image for you
[16:14] <knome> i know it doesn't look like anything, because it's white on white. :P
[16:15] <knome> i just know it can be done technically, i don't know how exactly do that, but steve langasek told it's possible
[16:16] <charlie-tca> I can see it! That's really good, knome
[16:16] <charlie-tca> That is a clear image here, when I put the background black
[16:17] <charlie-tca> Much nicer to see than the other one.
[16:18] <mr_pouit> okay, and what do I do with it? :P
[16:18] <knome> yeah, because it's exported directly from the original vector
[16:20] <mr_pouit> the theme now includes many images
[16:20] <madnick> yup
[16:20] <mr_pouit> so I don't think changing this one only will look as expected
[16:20] <madnick> However quite small ones :)
[16:20] <knome> mr_pouit, you write the code that probes if the bit depth is <32bit, and then use that image instead ;)
[16:21] <mr_pouit> you got the wrong m, use less <tab> :P
[16:21]  * mr_pouit hides
[16:21] <knome> ;)
[16:21] <madnick> That would need to be an external program
[16:21] <charlie-tca> So, now we made more work for mr_pouit ?
[16:21] <knome> or madnick 
[16:21] <madnick> That invokes plymouth
[16:22] <charlie-tca> simpler to sign it off as "by design team"
[16:22] <madnick> and sends a status message of screen depth
[16:22] <madnick> :P
[16:22] <knome> madnick, but we are talking about plymouth
[16:22] <knome> ...
[16:23] <madnick> hm, what is it that you want to be done? i didnt quite understand 
[16:23] <knome> madnick, use that image for low depth stuff in plymouth, instead of the glowy one
[16:24] <charlie-tca> We want to determine screen depth or something like that, and then switch graphics depending on screen capability
[16:24] <charlie-tca> knome: what if we just used that one for the text version, and the glowing one for the graphics version?
[16:24] <madnick> yes, that would need to be an external call to plymouth with that information
[16:24] <mr_pouit> bits_per_pixel = Window.GetBitsPerPixel ();
[16:24] <mr_pouit> from the ubuntu-logo theme :)
[16:24] <madnick> Oh
[16:24] <knome> heh, there you go
[16:25]  * knome offers mr_pouit a biscuit
[16:25] <madnick> See, the reference did not mention that :)
[16:25] <mr_pouit> maybe it's ubuntu specific
[16:25] <knome> maybe
[16:25] <mr_pouit> (I mean, that would not be the first time they did that)
[16:25] <knome> o'rly
[16:26] <charlie-tca> !cookie
[16:26] <charlie-tca> true enough, Ubuntu does do things just to frustrate the rest of us ;)
[16:28] <mr_pouit> madnick: http://paste.ubuntu.com/671056/
[16:28] <mr_pouit> here's the test from ubuntu-logo
[16:28] <madnick> okay
[16:28] <madnick> shall i put an equiv in?
[16:29] <mr_pouit> if knome can provide the needed pictures, I guess it's ok
[16:29] <knome> mr_pouit, let me think... no, i don't think i can ;)
[16:29] <knome> of course i can
[16:30] <madnick> But only the logotype?
[16:30] <knome> i think all the stuff that has the glow
[16:30] <madnick> its gonna be *alot* if images :)
[16:30] <knome> i know.
[16:30] <knome> it's not a big thing though
[16:30] <knome> but i'll do that a bit later, a short break ->
[16:30] <charlie-tca> At least the text based screen
[16:32] <madnick> Why do they do bits_per_pixel==4?
[16:32] <madnick> isnt that quite very low? :P
[16:32] <charlie-tca> for people with monitors like mine?
[16:33] <madnick> No I mean, I dont quite understand bits per pixel, are we talking VGA mode?
[16:33]  * charlie-tca going hide; sounds like a language he didn't learn yet
[16:34] <mr_pouit> madnick: apparently, when normal images are supported, it returns 0 ;D
[16:34] <madnick> oh
[16:35] <madnick> oh i found a comitt
[16:35] <madnick> commit*
[16:38] <madnick> unless i know why it returns 4
[16:38] <madnick> I should probagbly do == 0) {} else
[16:39] <mr_pouit> uhm, no, imho you should do what the ubuntu-logo theme does
[16:41] <madnick> Well, 4 bits per pixel, 16 colors right? Did we not want < 32?
[16:43] <madnick> 18:20 < knome> mr_pouit, you write the code that probes if the bit depth is  <32bit
[16:43] <madnick> But Ill just use that version, but I bet there is a reason to it returning 4 :P
[16:44] <charlie-tca> yes, old monitors won't show right at 32
[16:44] <mr_pouit> madnick: I also think that ;-)
[16:44] <charlie-tca> Some of the old monitors only work at 16 color
[16:44] <charlie-tca> before the file buffers or something is changed
[16:46] <charlie-tca> or something else I don't understand
[16:55] <madnick> I wish I could answer, but I never finished my VGA project ( http://www.madnick.se/~madnick/vga.jpg ) other than that I know mostly about pure text mode, because thats what i encountered in my work :\
[16:58] <charlie-tca> isn't that like building the hardware itself?
[16:59] <madnick> I do build hardware myself, I was an embeded developer, but the VGA stuff is the same on normal computers as in what i had in mind :)
[17:03] <mr_pouit> ok, I've uploaded your theme as is
[17:03] <madnick> oh
[17:03] <madnick> Okay
[17:03] <mr_pouit> I'll include the 16bpp fallback tomorrow
[17:03] <madnick> I made the changes, just waiting on filenames
[17:03] <madnick> oh okay
[17:03] <madnick> :)
[17:03] <mr_pouit> maybe with other fixes if testers report some issues ;-)
[17:03] <madnick> :D
[17:03] <madnick> It has been tested
[17:03] <madnick> Alot ;)
[17:04] <mr_pouit> huhu
[17:04] <madnick> So i hope its all in order
[17:04] <charlie-tca> hueard it all before... :)
[17:04] <madnick> :D
[17:04] <mr_pouit> (I also want to see how much oversized we are before adding even more pngs)
[17:08] <mr_pouit> ah, i386 ships one more langpack, so we can remove it if necessary
[22:51] <knome> madnick, mr_pouit: let's ship with the old wall
[22:51] <knome> got to go to bed + stuff
[22:51] <knome> see you tomorrow
[22:52] <knome> madnick, i'll export you the low depth stuff tomorrow too
[23:02] <madnick> knome: okay cool :)
[23:21] <Unit193> Awww... We don't get to see what he's working on :P
[23:53] <madnick> :(