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DarkwingDuckjjesse-netbook: You about?01:38
jjesse-netbookyup01:42
DarkwingDuckjjesse-netbook: Oh good. I had an idea...01:42
DarkwingDuckAre you busy Sunday Sept 4th?01:43
jjesse-netbookummm not that i am aware of01:43
DarkwingDuckI was thinking of hosting an online Global Jam for Kubuntu Docs.01:43
jjesse-netbookok01:44
DarkwingDuckI'm porting the todo list to blueprints (Finally) right now.01:45
jjesse-netbookok01:45
DarkwingDuckDidn't know if you wanted to help run it.01:46
jjesse-netbooksure 01:46
DarkwingDuckOkay cool. I'll draft and send the email today/tomorrow.01:47
jjesse-netbookawesome01:50
valorieI would be up for that, DarkwingDuck01:53
DarkwingDuckSweet!01:53
valoriemight finally get moving on that stuff01:53
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DarkwingDuckI'll be spamming kubuntu-users and Kubuntu-devel01:53
valoriekewl01:54
jjesse-netbookmaybe valorie can join :)01:55
jjesse-netbookand can commit01:55
DarkwingDuckI'm working on a quick "how-to" for the docs.01:56
valorieawesome -- I started, but then didn't know what to do next01:56
valoriehaving someone hold my hand through the first edits and commits would help01:57
DarkwingDuckThat will be the first half. Then we will go through and start doing the actual updating :D02:00
jjesse-netbookyay02:00
DarkwingDuckapachelogger: ping02:00
jjesse-netbookthere is now a todo-oneric file in the root that i am making notes on02:00
jjesse-netbookall of my files are committed02:00
DarkwingDuckOkay02:01
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micahghow do I regenerate a .supp file for something using CMake or is that even possible?07:30
bambeemorning07:46
Quintasan_good day :)09:38
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QuintasanScottK: kde-workspace uploaded10:00
* Quintasan forgot to do libs10:00
Quintasanrunning pbuilder right now10:00
nigelbJontheEchidna: Happy Birthday!10:21
QuintasanScottK: libs uploaded10:26
Quintasannigelb: It's JT's bday today?10:26
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nigelbQuintasan: Yes!10:26
Quintasankubotu: order cookies for JontheEchidna10:26
* kubotu slides a whole bunch of world's finest cookies down the bar to JontheEchidna.10:26
Quintasankubotu: order party hat for JontheEchidna10:27
* kubotu slides party hat down the bar to JontheEchidna10:27
nigelbkubotu: order cake for JontheEchidna 10:27
* kubotu slides cake down the bar to JontheEchidna10:27
Quintasanhmmm10:27
Quintasankubotu: order party for JontheEchidna10:27
* kubotu gives everyone a party hat and a hand full of conffeti.10:27
* kubotu turns on tha most funky party music as well as the all shiny disco ball.10:27
kubotuJontheEchidna: wanna dance with me? :-)10:27
* kubotu starts shaking her tight ass10:27
Quintasan\o/10:27
QuintasanParty hard!10:27
nigelblol10:27
QuintasanScottK: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde4libs/+bug/82728610:30
ubottuUbuntu bug 827286 in kde4libs (Ubuntu) "kde4libs package needs to be updated" [Undecided,Fix released]10:30
QuintasanCould you ack FFe there?10:31
QuintasanAlso I need FFe for https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/82811110:31
ubottuUbuntu bug 828111 in Ubuntu "[needs-packaging] share-like-connect" [Wishlist,New]10:31
Quintasanand https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/plasma-mobile/+bug/82809310:31
ubottuUbuntu bug 828093 in plasma-mobile (Ubuntu) "plasma-mobile needs to be updated" [Undecided,New]10:31
Quintasanrbelem: Once again, should you have any problems with runtime, do tell.10:31
QuintasanScottK: For libs, I testbuilt and installed them, waiting for ack in bug10:32
bambeehttp://ftp.romainperier.org/phononthumbs1.png   (a working video thumbnailer using Phonon)10:50
bambee:D10:50
rbelemQuintasan, oki11:45
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: you should throw the mousecursor at Jens Bache-Wiig so he can include it in the qt quick desktop components :P11:53
apacheloggeryofel, shadeslayer: I'd say there is if the driver is in order. However. Since we use pulseaudio, that is the component that likely fell on the head in the breaking upgrade (or perhaps it even was a shitty alsa driver regression again).11:54
apacheloggerbambee: lovely11:54
bambee:D11:55
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mfraz74Any ideas on bug https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=28051812:54
ubottuKDE bug 280518 in general "Language set at British English, but still seeing American spellings" [Normal,Unconfirmed]12:54
mfraz74Managed to crash X by playing Extreme Tux Racer!12:58
mfraz74Any chance of a newer version of Choqok to fix this bug https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=275185?13:03
ubottuKDE bug 275185 in general "choqok shows strange error message after start: "method requires authentication"" [Normal,Resolved: fixed]13:03
Quintasanmfraz74: I guess I could try ask ScottK to get FFe for only that patch13:30
Quintasanbambee: CODE NAO13:30
* Quintasan uploads kdelibs13:31
Quintasanrbelem: I will upload s-l-c today if we get FFe approved13:31
bambeeQuintasan: what what? :P13:31
* bambee is on fire13:32
Quintasanbambee: Code for Phonon thumbnailer13:32
bambeeah :)13:32
mfraz74Quintasan: i've been using 1.1.5 from Adilson's snapshots PPA in 11.04 for a while now13:34
Quintasan!package choqok oneiric13:35
ubottuQuintasan: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)13:35
Quintasan!info choqok oneiric13:35
ubottuchoqok (source: choqok): KDE micro-blogging client. In component main, is optional. Version 1.1-1ubuntu1 (oneiric), package size 972 kB, installed size 4248 kB13:35
Quintasanmfraz74: 1.1 is in oneiric, was there a new release or someone is compiling code from git?13:35
mfraz74Quintasan: I think it has been compiled from git13:36
QuintasanI see, then I'm particulary against putting git packages in archive13:36
mfraz74https://launchpad.net/~adilson/+archive/snapshots13:36
QuintasanHowever I can include patch from bug https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=27518513:37
ubottuKDE bug 275185 in general "choqok shows strange error message after start: "method requires authentication"" [Normal,Resolved: fixed]13:37
mfraz74thanks13:37
Quintasanmfraz74: I'll need you to test the fix13:38
mfraz74Quintasan: ok13:40
Quintasanmfraz74: Oneiric or natty?13:41
mfraz74oneiric13:42
* Quintasan is still at natty :S13:42
mfraz74i thought i'd try it out13:43
Quintasanmfraz74: https://launchpad.net/~quintasan/+archive/ppa <-- look when it's done building13:43
QuintasanPURGE (it will delete settings too) the one you are using now13:43
QuintasanWell, you don't really have to purge that that will show that the fix works for sure13:44
Quintasanbut that will show*13:44
mfraz74ok will let you know13:44
JontheEchidnanigelb, Quintasan, thanks :)14:18
JontheEchidnaI'm 20 now14:19
rbelemJontheEchidna, happy birthday :-D14:30
JontheEchidna:D14:30
* rbelem hugs JontheEchidna 14:30
* JontheEchidna pulled a rodrigo until 10:15 to celebrate :P14:30
rbelem:-D14:31
QuintasanJontheEchidna: Still underage in USA :P14:36
JontheEchidnayeah D:14:36
* nigelb hugs JontheEchidna 14:38
JontheEchidnaAs my birthday present to kubuntu land, here's a sneak peak of the pre-pre-alpha version of the new Muon Updater: http://i.imgur.com/aCSS5.png14:39
QuintasanOh14:41
* Quintasan hugs JontheEchidna14:41
* rbelem pokes Quintasan 14:59
mfraz74Quintasan: that has fixed that bug in choqok. thanks14:59
Quintasancool14:59
Quintasanrbelem: Kinda busy now15:00
QuintasanAsk and I will try to answer15:00
rbelemQuintasan, i'm not sure if another build will solve the problem15:01
QuintasanWhy?15:02
rbelemQuintasan, because the new stuff needs the libs with the changes15:02
rbelemQuintasan, unless we build that staticaly15:03
QuintasanUhm, I dont see a problem with that15:03
rbelemQuintasan, but how to do that? build them staticaly?15:03
QuintasanI dont get what do you mean15:04
Quintasanyou do a second build of runtime in a separate directory15:04
Quintasanand install files to package from that separate directory15:04
Quintasanthen if user wants to use active then he installs the active packe15:05
Quintasanpackage15:05
rbelemQuintasan, so we will genetare a kde-runtime-active and kde-runtime?15:05
QuintasanYes15:05
Quintasanand they have to conflict15:05
rbelemQuintasan, hum.. nice :-D15:05
Quintasanbecause they will provide same files15:05
rbelemQuintasan, now i got it15:06
rbelemQuintasan, i will do that15:06
Quintasanrbelem: Look at workspace15:06
Quintasanat rules and control15:06
Quintasanespecially kde-window-manager-gles15:06
Quintasanand libkwineffects15:06
shadeslayerJontheEchidna: Happy birthday! :)15:06
rbelemQuintasan, nice :-)15:06
rbelemQuintasan, oki15:07
MamarokJontheEchidna: Happy Birthday :)15:10
mfraz74JontheEchidna: happy birthday15:11
JontheEchidnathanks :)15:11
mfraz74JontheEchidna: are we going to be able to use Muon to buy software like Ubuntu users can?15:12
JontheEchidnaThat's the plan.I wasn't able to get it done for 1.2 since there wasn't a (working, up-to-date) Qt way to interact with the Ubuntu Single Sign-on API15:14
JontheEchidnawhich is also the reason why reviews are read-only15:14
JontheEchidnaIt's a priority for 1.315:14
mfraz74JontheEchidna: thanks15:14
mfraz74think i'm going to have to really start looking at how to build stuff for my PPA15:14
ScottKQuintasan: I thought we needed libs and -runtime to get updated together.15:20
ScottKWhere's -runtime?15:20
ScottKQuintasan and mfraz74: Check and see if the choqok releases are bugfix update or have new features.  If they are just bug fix updates, no FFe needed.15:24
mfraz74ScottK: I think they are new features15:26
mfraz74you can now use open collaboration services such as opendesktop.org15:27
ScottKThen it needs an FFe, but it sounds like it's worth looking into.15:27
mfraz74ScottK: do I just need to follow https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FreezeExceptionProcess ?15:29
ScottKYes.15:30
QuintasanThere is no newer release mfraz7415:31
QuintasanWe have 1.1 and that's in oneiric15:31
QuintasanScottK: bugfixing patch is FFe material too?15:32
mfraz74Quintasan: OK, we'll just have to stick with that.15:32
shadeslayerQuintasan: don't think so15:32
ScottKQuintasan: No.15:32
ScottKQuintasan: Debian has 1.1.5.15:32
ScottKWhere'd that come from?15:32
mfraz74http://packages.debian.org/sid/kde/choqok15:33
ScottKSo question one would be can we just sync from Debian and get this fix?15:35
ScottK(I didn't look to see what the Ubuntu diff is)15:36
shadeslayeri know a choqok specific patch we have15:36
shadeslayerwe use our own app keys for twitter15:36
mfraz74in muon, what is meant be experimental?15:50
rbelemQuintasan, i'm hitting my head against the wall16:17
rbelemQuintasan, i did not find where to use quil_series16:18
rbelemQuintasan, is there an override for quilt?16:18
Quintasanrbelem: May I see what you did so far?16:28
rbelemQuintasan, i thi nk i found the way16:36
QuintasanHm?16:36
rbelemQuintasan, override_dh_quilt_patch:16:36
QuintasanThere is such a thing?16:36
QuintasanI thought of doing16:36
Quintasanquilt pop -a16:36
rbelemQuintasan, but i'm not sure how to check if it is building the active-stuff16:37
QuintasanQUILT_SERIES=debian/series-active quilt push -a16:37
Quintasanrbelem: man dh_quilt_patch16:38
QuintasanYou can use another directory instead of debian/patches by setting (and exporting) the environment variable  QUILT_PATCH_DIR.16:39
Quintasanhow about you export the QUILT_SERIES variable instead?16:39
Quintasanwe dont want to duplicate the patches in debian/ do we?16:39
Quintasanrbelem: Can I see your debian/rules?16:40
rbelemQuintasan, yup16:42
rbelemQuintasan, 16:44
rbelemhttp://paste.kde.org/112741/16:44
QuintasanHihi16:45
Quintasanrbelem: remove line 316:45
QuintasanWe don't want to do that there16:45
QuintasanNow16:45
Quintasanoverride_dh_quilt_patch:16:45
Quintasan        export QUILT_SERIES=debian/patches/series-active16:45
Quintasan        dh_quilt_patch16:45
QuintasanIt is almost good16:45
rbelemoops16:45
Quintasanbefore that16:45
shadeslayerwait, won't that override all the patches?16:45
Quintasanit will16:46
Quintasan:D16:46
shadeslayerlike, only active patches are applied?16:46
QuintasanThat's why I'm trying to explain that16:46
shadeslayeryeah :P16:46
rbelemshadeslayer, i want override all patches before build kde-runtime-active16:46
rbelemQuintasan, 16:46
Quintasanrbelem: You see, if you override that dh_quilt_patch it's going to override the default routine of patching the source tree16:47
shadeslayerrbelem: yes, but then your patches for stable build are not applied16:47
rbelemyup16:47
Quintasanrbelem: We want to patch the normal tree with normal patches and active tree with normal+active patches16:47
rbelemQuintasan, yus16:47
Quintasanlines 11-13 actually patch the source tree with normal+active patches16:47
shadeslayeraha16:47
shadeslayerQuintasan: idea16:47
rbelemQuintasan, how do i check that i'm building normal or active?16:47
Quintasan?16:47
shadeslayerQuintasan: is there a way to keep the normal patches? and just apply the active patches ontop of it?16:48
Quintasanshadeslayer: I do not think so, that's why we are using separate SERIES list16:48
shadeslayerso in the active patch series file, just have plasma active related patches16:48
Quintasan>export QUILT_SERIES=debian/patches/series-active16:48
shadeslayerright, but all the patches are popped before the 2nd build?16:48
QuintasanWRONG :S16:49
shadeslayerhuh?16:49
Quintasanlook at override of build and install shadeslayer16:49
Quintasanit's done in a separate directory16:49
Quintasanrbelem: 16:50
Quintasanhttp://paste.kde.org/11275316:50
QuintasanI would try that first16:50
Quintasan$(overriden_command) requires no comment16:50
Quintasanthen we export QUILT_SERIES=debian/patches/series-active16:50
Quintasanand then tell quilt to apply patches16:51
Quintasandh_quilt_patch -Bdebian/build-kde-runtime-active16:51
shadeslayerQuintasan: whats -B ?16:51
QuintasanI'm not sure -B work with quilt_patch16:51
Quintasanshadeslayer: Try guessing? :P16:51
Quintasanshadeslayer: look at other overrides16:51
shadeslayerhttp://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/karmic/man1/dh_quilt_patch.1.html has nothing about -B :P16:51
Quintasannor does dh_auto_build16:51
Quintasanshadeslayer, rbelem: man debhelper16:52
QuintasanBUILD SYSTEMS OPTIONS paragraph16:52
rbelemQuintasan, how that code distinct between building normal or active?16:52
shadeslayeralready looking at there16:52
Quintasanrbelem: it doesnt16:52
rbelemo.O16:53
Quintasanrbelem: It does what you told it to do16:53
Quintasanrbelem: look16:53
Quintasanfirst it patches with the default debian/series file16:53
Quintasanthen16:53
Quintasanwe TELL it to patch other build directory using debian/series-active as reference16:53
Quintasanthen it builds it16:53
Quintasanand then we tell it to build source which is under debian/build-kde-runtime-active with dh_auto_build -Bdebian/build-kde-runtime-active16:54
rbelemQuintasan, but how do you know that it will build normal series without the active patches?16:55
Quintasanrbelem: Double-building is just duplication of existing build procedure but in other directory16:55
Quintasanrbelem: Uhh16:55
Quintasanlook16:55
Quintasandh_quilt_patch uses debian/series by default16:55
Quintasandebian/series SHOULD NOT contain names of active patches16:56
Quintasanbut only names of the "normal" patches16:56
Quintasanthen16:56
Quintasandebian/series SHOULD contain names of normal patches AND active patches16:56
QuintasanDo you get it?16:56
Quintasanrbelem: Look at http://paste.kde.org/112753/16:57
QuintasanFirst we call $(overriden_command) which is dh_quilt_patch without any other arguments16:57
Quintasanit will use debian/series to patch the source code16:57
rbelemQuintasan, ok, but how do they know when to apply each series in their respective dirs?16:57
Quintasandh_quilt_patch -Bdebian/build-kde-runtime-active16:57
Quintasanthis16:58
QuintasanBUILD SYSTEMS OPTIONS paragraph in debhelper manual16:58
Quintasan-B - > Enable out of source building and use the specified directory as the build directory.16:58
rbelemah! ok16:58
rbelemQuintasan, i think i got now16:58
QuintasanHowever I am not sure wheter -B works with dh_quilt_patch16:59
* rbelem hits his head against the wall16:59
rbelemQuintasan, i will try that now17:00
rbelemQuintasan, thx :-D17:00
QuintasanPlease do, if that doesn't work then it means we will have to try something else17:00
shadeslayerthats some fun stuff right there17:01
QuintasanIf $alternative do not work then I'm afraid we will have to have make ScottK upload it as it is and do EXTENSIVE testing for breakage17:01
Quintasanif there is any then we will have to revert that17:02
Quintasandouble build of workspace looks funny compared to this17:03
QuintasanWell, ScottK can also refuse acking FFe for runtime then17:04
rbelemQuintasan, this link is not working http://paste.kde.org/112753/17:05
Quintasanthe link isnt working or the stuff there is not?17:05
rbelemQuintasan, the link17:05
Quintasanoverride_dh_quilt_patch:17:06
Quintasan        $(overriden_command)17:06
Quintasan        QUILT_SERIES=debian/patches/series-active dh_quilt_patch -Bdebian/build-kde-runtime-active17:06
rbelemQuintasan, thx :-)17:06
QuintasanMake sure it works before thanking me17:06
Quintasan:P17:06
rbelemQuintasan, build started17:09
* rbelem have to wait for a long17:09
rbelemtime17:09
Quintasanfailure is imminent17:09
rbelemi'm getting lots of failures in kfileplacesview17:10
rbelem:-(17:10
Quintasanfailures or warnings?17:13
QuintasanWarnings are good, we can ignore them17:14
Quintasanfailures are not :P17:14
rbelemQuintasan, failures :'(17:14
Quintasanmgraesslin: Do you have any device which could possibly test our kwin-gles package?17:15
Quintasanrbelem: :/17:15
Quintasanrbelem: buildlog please17:15
Quintasanrbelem: Do active patches touch kfileplacesview?17:15
jussiQuintasan: would a efika mx smarttop be helpful? 17:15
Quintasanjussi: If it can do OpenGL ES then yes :)17:16
rbelemQuintasan, nope17:16
QuintasanAnd one needs one-eye-rick on it17:16
rbelemQuintasan, im doing other stuff in parallel17:16
QuintasanOh17:17
rbelem:-D17:17
mgraesslinQuintasan: any mesa powered GPU will do17:17
* Quintasan though rbelem got failures in runtime17:17
Quintasanmgraesslin: TBH I'm totally green in graphics department, I just know what kind of drivers there are :S17:18
rbelemQuintasan, do you why it is building with -j1?17:18
QuintasanNope17:18
rbelemQuintasan, i passed -j217:18
QuintasanIt's a bug17:18
apacheloggerkde rev 99290417:19
QuintasanI pass -j12 and it builds with -j117:19
ubottuhttp://websvn.kde.org/trunk/?rev=992904&view=rev | svn://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde/trunk -r 992904 | SVN_SILENT astyle++17:19
Quintasanyofel: rbelem got the same shit with -j's as I do17:19
rbelem:-/17:19
Quintasanapachelogger: lol17:19
* Quintasan awaits astyle-- commit when build failure17:20
apacheloggeryou better not have to ever trace a line of code in phonon vlc17:20
mgraesslinQuintasan: if you use radeon, intel or nouveau you can use GLES17:20
apacheloggerit takes approx one hour to find its origin17:20
apachelogger~4 VCS used, ~6 code style changes, ~3 path changes17:21
Quintasanapachelogger: I blame poor maintainership17:21
apacheloggermore like none17:21
Quintasanmgraesslin: Oh really? Let me try17:21
apacheloggerevery half a year another gobshite wanted to take it on17:21
apacheloggerkde rev 90727017:21
ubottuhttp://websvn.kde.org/trunk/?rev=907270&view=rev | svn://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde/trunk -r 907270 | VLC backend for phonon17:21
apacheloggeroh great17:22
* apachelogger waves fist17:22
QuintasanWhy won't Supreme President and Multimedia Overlord kill it with fire17:22
Quintasan?17:22
apacheloggerjust becuase a rewrite is easiest, does not mean it is the best solution17:23
apacheloggererrerrr17:23
QuintasanIn this case?17:23
jussiQuintasan: because "Supreme President"  is the wrong title, the title is "princess butterfly" :D17:23
apachelogger~4VCS used && >2 code copies in foreign repos17:23
Quintasanapachelogger: Any idea how to force nouveau usage?17:25
apacheloggerQuintasan: xorg.conf17:26
Quintasan>implying it exists in any Ubuntu > Karmic17:26
rbelemQuintasan, i duplicated all .install files, ok?17:59
apacheloggerQuintasan: what?18:00
apacheloggerQuintasan: you are talking rubbish my friend18:00
apacheloggerQuintasan: just create one18:00
* rbelem pokes Quintasan 18:06
rbelemQuintasan, i think it worked18:11
Quintasanrbelem: \o/19:35
* Quintasan wonders how to check what drive is X using19:35
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Quintasanhmm19:45
Quintasannouveau doesnt seem to like my gfx vcard19:46
eMyllerhm20:59
eMyllergot some kde updates @ natty, but i see no announcements20:59
eMyllerwhat's with it?20:59
Quintasan_eMyller: Bug fixes most likely21:16
Quintasan_eMyller: I have been backporting some patches to fix annoying bugs21:16
eMyllerspecific for the distro, right?21:17
eMyllerthought i was missing something due to cache.21:17
Quintasan_eMyller: not distro specific, it was reported on 4.7 release21:18
Quintasan_they are supposed to be fixed in 4.7.1 so I backported them to oneiric now21:18
Quintasan_bah21:18
Quintasan_natty21:18
eMyllerbefore 4.7.1?21:19
eMyller[official]21:19
Quintasan_Yes.21:19
Quintasan_Oneiric will most likely have 4.7.121:20
Quintasan_in archives or in ppa21:20
Quintasan_natty will have it too but well, it's like two weeks till release21:20
Quintasan_and broken activators are annoying21:20
* Quintasan_ reverts back to nvidia-glx21:20
eMylleroh21:20
Quintasan_Phew21:24
Quintasan_Much better21:24
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JontheEchidnanote: suggested alternative:23:42
JontheEchidnaan... an actually helpful gcc error message?!23:42
claydoh_was there a synaptiks plasma widget before? and if so where did it go?23:55
claydoh_the widget iirc allowed for  disabling touchpad when typing23:56
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