[00:27]  * penguin42 wonders why x=y?:z is legal (nothing in the true path)
[01:02] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Miia Ranta] And then, unexpectedly, life happens - http://myrtti.fi/blog/2011/08/21/and-then-unexpectedly-life-happens/
[02:22] <ali1234> so when i make a public post on google+ does it go to everyone in all my circles?
[02:22] <ali1234> or just my "wall" thingy?
[02:23] <ali1234> (btw sorry if my symbian rant is annoying anyone)
[03:51] <HazRPG> ali1234: as far as I know, "public" means anyone can see it
[03:54] <HazRPG> ali1234: only if you use "your circles" can people in your circles see them
[03:55] <HazRPG> in theory, something in "Public" can be searchable via Google's search engine
[07:26] <bigcalm_lappy486> On the off chance that anybody is awake: Good morning :)
[07:27] <MartijnVdS> \o
[07:28] <MartijnVdS> off to run 7.5 miles now though :)
[07:52] <Myrtti> bigcalm_lappy486: moin
[07:52] <bigcalm_lappy486> Hola Myrtti
[07:53] <bigcalm_lappy486> Huva moin
[07:53] <Myrtti> had to check what "rant" actually means in English from Merriam-Webster to check what went wrong with my blog post when a commenter automatically seems to have understood that if I "rant about Arduino" it means that I have nothing but negative to say :-/
[07:53] <bigcalm_lappy486> Eh?
[07:53] <bigcalm_lappy486> To rant about something is to be negative
[07:54] <bigcalm_lappy486> To rave about something is to be positive
[07:54] <Myrtti> intransitive verb
[07:54] <Myrtti> 1
[07:54] <Myrtti> : to talk in a noisy, excited, or declamatory manner
[07:54] <Myrtti> 2
[07:54] <Myrtti> : to scold vehemently
[07:54] <bigcalm_lappy486> On myrant.net I complain about things
[07:54] <Myrtti> ? or have I now understood the 1. wrong now?
[07:55] <bigcalm_lappy486> I guess that 1. does apply, but these days 2. is the norm
[07:56] <AlanBell> I think the use is evolving
[07:56] <bigcalm_lappy486> Are you complaining about your Arduino?
[07:56] <Myrtti> not all the time :->
[07:56] <bigcalm_lappy486> Hehe
[07:56] <bigcalm_lappy486> Morning AlanBell. How's the surfing? I too think that suit with blue looks better
[08:01] <nigelb> Morning
[08:02] <nigelb> Acutally, afternoon.
[08:02] <nigelb> Myrtti: I'm curious, what specific rants did you have? :)
[08:03] <AlanBell> bigcalm_lappy486: surfing was fun
[08:03] <AlanBell> bodyboarding really
[08:04] <AlanBell> I might wear the blue one today, due to popular demand
[08:05] <nigelb> heh
[08:05] <Myrtti> nigelb: "soldering is fun" "decisions on what arduino to buy" "frustrations over not getting my head around example codes"
[08:06] <AlanBell> bit surprised that the internet cares and has an opinion about what wetsuit I look best in
[08:06] <nigelb> Myrtti: ah
[08:06] <nigelb> AlanBell: well, when you involve the internets in the decision making
[08:07] <nigelb> Myrtti: I agree with soldering is fun  ^-^
[08:07] <nigelb> I wonder what popey was soldering the other day.
[08:07] <nigelb> apparently he had no clue either ;)
[08:07] <Myrtti> Nanode, like I did :-)
[08:08] <nigelb> Ah
[08:08] <nigelb> nanode sounds like fun
[08:53] <bigcalm_lappy486> Think it might be time for a new mattress. Any shop suggestions?
[08:54] <bigcalm_lappy486> I shall name it Zim
[09:27] <bigcalm_lappy486> That was lost on everybody then
[09:33] <KrimZon> what was?
[09:34] <bigcalm_lappy486> That when I get a new mattress, I shall name it Zim
[09:35] <KrimZon> after the desktop wiki program?
[09:38] <bigcalm_lappy486> It's not worth explaining :)
[09:38] <bigcalm_lappy486> Oh sodd
[09:38] <bigcalm_lappy486> -d
[09:38] <bigcalm_lappy486> Zem, not Zim
[09:39] <KrimZon> hahah
[09:40] <KrimZon> after the headphones? the footwear? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ZEM ?
[09:40] <MartijnVdS> Probably the H2G2 thing
[09:40] <MartijnVdS> this being a channel full of geeks ;)
[09:40] <bigcalm_lappy486> MartijnVdS: indeed. I did say it wasn't worth explaining :)
[09:43] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[09:43] <MartijnVdS> \o brobostigon
[09:43] <brobostigon> o/ MartijnVdS
[09:44] <MartijnVdS> Time for some fresh tea.
[09:44] <brobostigon> :)
[09:46] <KrimZon> ahh, that makes more sense than a pop rock band
[09:52] <MartijnVdS> KrimZon: Sex, drugs, rock&roll :)
[09:53] <brobostigon> :)
[09:58] <Guest96266> good morning this is the first time I have connected how do I find #ubuntu-beginners
[09:59] <AlanBell> hi
[09:59] <Guest96266> hello
[09:59] <AlanBell> Guest96266: you can do "/join #ubuntu-beginners"
[09:59] <AlanBell> and/or just stick around here
[10:00] <Guest96266> thank you AlanBell
[10:00] <brobostigon> morning AlanBell
[10:00] <AlanBell> hi brobostigon
[10:01]  * AlanBell thinks about going to the beach
[10:01] <czajkowski> aloha
[10:02] <AlanBell> aloha czajkowski
[10:03] <gord> konichiwa
[10:03] <MartijnVdS> howdy
[10:04] <brobostigon> moin
[10:05] <mvrtechlinux> hi
[10:13] <bigcalm_lappy486> Mornin' czajkowski :)
[10:18] <adrian__> hi
[10:20] <adrian__> hi I have just installed ubuntu 11.04 Desktop on my Presario-V6000 (hp laptop)the v6000 has broadcom network and wireless built in and needs the commands 'sudo modprobe -r b43 ssb' followed by 'sudo modprobe b43' to switch the wireless on everytime ubuntu is started how do I now make this module part of my kernel build?
[10:22] <bigcalm_lappy486> I would say that you don't need to have it staticly built into the kernel if it works ok with modules.  You can auto-load modules by editing /etc/modules
[10:22] <bigcalm_lappy486> adrian__: ^^
[10:23] <AlanBell> adrian__: I think you need to blacklist the modules you don't want to load
[10:24] <AlanBell> so in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist you would have a line "blacklist ssb"
[10:24] <bigcalm_lappy486> I was about to say that too :)
[10:24] <AlanBell> not sure why you are removing b43 then adding it back though
[10:25] <bigcalm_lappy486> Add "blacklist ssb" to /etc/modules.d/blacklist.conf. Add "b43" to /etc/modules
[10:25] <adrian__> Thank you as you can see I am new to this I will look at it just seems to need this to work its fine afterwards /etc/modules and come back thank you guy's
[10:25] <bigcalm_lappy486> adrian__: reboot after that and let us know how you get on :)
[10:26] <adrian__> thanks off to play
[10:27] <bigcalm_lappy486> I was surprised but pleased that once I installed Ubuntu on this laptop, no tinkering was required for all of the hardware to work
[10:27] <bigcalm_lappy486> Thank you Dell :)
[10:47] <matti> :)
[10:51] <Guest70067> well that was brilliant thanks guys on had lp in modules so added 'b43' and blacklisted as you said and all is great thank you
[10:51] <brobostigon> matti: good morning, :)
[10:59] <adrian_> first time I have used xchat as well couldn't even log in in time I dont stand a chance -lol  well that was brilliant thanks guys only had lp in modules so added 'b43' and blacklisted ssb as you said and all is great thank you bigcalm_lappy486, AlanBell and all who share their time here
[11:09] <matti> Hey brobostigon
[11:09] <matti> :)
[11:11] <daubers> Afternoon
[11:12] <bigcalm_lappy486> adrian: you are welcome :)
[11:13] <jchristel> bigcalm_lappy486! <3
[11:28] <bigcalm_lappy486> jchristel: good morning my dear *squeeze* :)
[11:28] <jchristel> \o/
[11:30] <bigcalm_lappy486> jchristel: how are you today?
[11:36]  * suprengr has just caught up & listened to U-UK OggCamp podcast - nice one.  but now I'm even more jealous :-/
[11:37] <popey> heh
[11:39] <bigcalm_lappy486> I'm still glowing from the joy that was the oggcamp 4 day weekend
[11:39] <jchristel> aww
[11:39] <bigcalm_lappy486> I'm also still suffering with #oggflu
[11:39] <mgdm> o/
[11:39] <bigcalm_lappy486> Hiya mgdm
[11:39] <bigcalm_lappy486> And good morn^Wafternoon popey
[11:40] <suprengr> bigcalm_lappy486, is #oggflu similar to a hangover by any chance?   ;)
[11:40] <bigcalm_lappy486> suprengr: I had 2.5 hangovers that weekend
[11:40] <suprengr> :D
[11:41] <bigcalm_lappy486> suprengr: oggflu is similar to conflu
[11:41] <suprengr> :D :D
[11:41] <popey> similar to ubuflu that happens at ubuntu developer summits
[11:41] <popey> although ubuflu tends to be more severe
[11:41] <suprengr> :D :D :D
[11:41] <popey> We had something like 320 people turn up to oggcamp
[11:41] <popey> wonder if we could get 500 next year :D
[11:41] <bigcalm_lappy486> Geting enough unwashed people in the same place and viruses will spread
[11:42] <suprengr> [you could have 501 if you sent me ticket now...}
[11:42] <bigcalm_lappy486> popey: having it down south on a non football match day helped
[11:42] <bigcalm_lappy486> suprengr: it's free (so far), just be interested and give support where you can :)
[11:43] <suprengr> support ...like a tent pole perhaps?
[11:44] <bigcalm_lappy486> Hayley is hungover, I've got some sort of virus. Despite this, we're off for sushi!
[11:44] <bigcalm_lappy486> Laters kids :)
[11:44] <popey> :D
[11:44] <popey> o/
[11:44] <suprengr> ...& could Ogg please ensure that /me is not sent to Brum to fix riot damaged hardware next year please
[11:51] <penguin42> ouch
[11:51] <penguin42> suprengr: Well after the riot?
[11:55] <suprengr> nope... in the midst of & during... & then some sites took 6 sixs for 'access' "for security reasons" :D
[11:55] <suprengr> *six days
[11:56] <penguin42> yeuch - wouldn't want to be going anywhere near it until they'd got rid of the rioters
[11:56] <suprengr> [you too can go into a burnt out building to get pooters & connected machines working!]
[11:57] <suprengr> ...if you fancy the job... pretty please
[11:58]  * penguin42 hadn't realised that Brum had burnt out buildings; the news seemed to concentrate on London and here in Manc oh and Brum's unfortunate car incident
[12:00] <suprengr> [I think if I say much more - you'd guess what type of 'machines' I refer to ;)   [damn the press coverage]
[12:01] <suprengr> imho... only hero in the brum riot scene... the father of of those dead kids who pleaded for reason.
[12:01] <suprengr> *one of
[12:01] <penguin42> nod
[13:57] <ali1234> HazRPG: but you didn't answer my question
[13:59] <Westerham> Sorry didn't get the question.
[13:59] <ali1234> do posts marked public on google plus appear in all my followers streams?
[14:01] <Westerham> Sorry, not on this thread.
[14:02] <ali1234> I got a reply so i guess they do
[14:03] <mgdm> I thinks  o
[14:05] <Westerham> Hello, Apologies if I'm doing this wrong - first time on an IRC ever. Since doing an Ubuntu update around 5th August I've found the account login on my Ubuntu machine really slow - you have to keep each key for the password depressed for sometime.  The keyboard works fine once I'm logged in and on an elderly Apple Mac as well.  I've run Log Viewer and found this bit around the keyboard but I'm none the wiser (apart from thinking 
[14:08] <penguin42> Westerham: Welcome!
[14:10] <penguin42> Westerham: Which version of Ubuntu? Standard Ubuntu or KDE? How much memory do you have?
[14:11] <Westerham> Hello - I'm running Natty 32bit with 4GB of RAM.
[14:12] <penguin42> ok, can you get the logs onto the web somewhere so we can have a look - may be using a pastebin  ?
[14:14] <Westerham> Got a log but don't know how to use a paste bin or where to 'paste' it.
[14:14] <brobostigon> pastebinit *.log
[14:14] <brobostigon> :)
[14:17] <Westerham> pastebinit *.[    3.451152] input:  USB OPTICAL MOUSE as /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:02.0/usb2/2-3/2-3.2/2-3.2:1.0/input/input3 [    3.451216] generic-usb 0003:15D9:0A4D.0002: input,hidraw1: USB HID v1.11 Mouse [ USB OPTICAL MOUSE] on usb-0000:00:02.0-3.2/input0 [    3.525043] usb 2-3.3: new low speed USB device using ohci_hcd and address 5 [    3.658168] input: Justcom Technology USB KVM Switch as /devices/pci0000:00/00
[14:18] <penguin42> Westerham: No, in a terminal run the command pastebinit filename
[14:18] <penguin42> Westerham: Then it will upload that file to a pastebin and give you a URL that you can tell us
[14:20] <Westerham> Sorry, realised that wasn't what you wanted as soon as it posted. Will give it a go and get back to you.
[14:43] <Azelphur> Hmm, OT math sort of question. Given pitch and yaw, how can I calculate the vectors for throwing something?
[14:50] <dutchie> "pitch and yaw"?
[14:50] <dutchie> """vectors for thrwoowing"!?
[14:50] <dutchie> arg
[14:50] <Azelphur> lol
[14:50] <dutchie> you know what i mean
[14:50] <Azelphur> pitch and yaw, IE the direction your looking in
[14:51] <Azelphur> and the vectors for throwing things, game programming stuff \o/
[14:52] <dutchie> what data do you have in what form and what do you want to get out?
[14:52] <Azelphur> I have pitch and yaw, aka the direction I'm looking in
[14:52] <Azelphur> and I want to throw an item in front of me using xyz vectors
[14:53] <dutchie> what are pitch and yaw? angles?
[14:53] <Azelphur> yea
[14:54] <dutchie> and you want a vector basically in the direction of those angles?
[14:55] <dutchie> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spherical_coordinates#Cartesian_coordinates
[14:55] <dutchie> see the bit at the bottom about transforming back to cartesians
[14:56] <Azelphur> weee, complicated math \o/
[14:56] <Azelphur> I'm doing contrib to bravo, the python minecraft server btw :)
[14:56] <dutchie> oh cool
[14:57] <Azelphur> when items drop there's no throw at all, so it just appears in front of you
[14:57] <Azelphur> I already wrote item bounce for when you destroy a block, that's working
[14:57] <dutchie> you might have to do things like add or subtract right angles with those formulae
[14:57] <Azelphur> so now I'm just writing the stuff for when you throw something out of your inventory
[14:57] <Azelphur> then I'll commit :D
[14:57] <Azelphur> hehe
[14:57] <dutchie> but it should work just fine
[14:58] <shauno> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trajectory has a lot on the maths behind ballistic paths
[14:59] <Azelphur> only problem is I don't understand the mathematical notations they are using
[14:59] <Westerham> Hello. Have posted bit of log featuring keyboard etc at http://paste.ubuntu.com/671690/
[14:59] <Azelphur> high school dropout, it has it's downsides *shrug*
[14:59] <dutchie> Azelphur: heh, it's a bit hard to explain this over text only
[14:59] <Azelphur> indeed
[14:59] <dutchie> ideally i could draw diagrams and wave hands around
[15:00] <shauno> most of it is just modelling a parabola; and then figuring out where on it you're starting from
[15:01] <gord> um if your doing it in python, chances are there is some module that will do this for you
[15:01] <shauno> (which is gonna be complete overkill for dropping items; but good fun when you start firing arrows)
[15:01] <gord> batteries included and all that
[15:01] <Azelphur> gord: indeed
[15:04] <ali1234> no
[15:05] <ali1234> no to everything everyone said so far about this
[15:05] <Azelphur> lol
[15:44] <mgdm> \o/ Arduino
[15:45] <Azelphur> ouınpɹ∀ /o\
[15:45] <mgdm> heh
[15:49] <andylockran> mgdm: how's germany?
[15:52] <mgdm> andylockran: pretty good :)
[15:53] <Myrtti> hm
[15:53] <Myrtti> I was about to do something but I forgot what
[16:04] <penguin42> sleep?
[16:08] <Laney> give laney lots of money
[16:10] <czajkowski> Westerham: how are you doing, did you get your issue resolved
[16:19] <Myrtti> raspberries ♥
[16:19] <Myrtti> Laney: I don't have lots of money to give
[16:19] <mfraz74> raspberry pi?
[16:19] <Myrtti> no, real raspberries
[16:29] <Westerham> Have pasted log extract at http://paste.ubuntu.com/671690/ as requested but no observations yet. Sorry, have to go. Will try to log in later this week or next weekend.
[16:30] <czajkowski> hmm
[16:30] <czajkowski> wish he's stay around more
[16:30] <czajkowski> he only seems to be able to irc on the weekends but posts to mailing lists for help
[17:07] <bigcalm_lappy486> !ping
[17:07] <bigcalm_lappy486> Poor  lubotu3
[17:14] <czajkowski> http://paste.ubuntu.com/671749/  to remind me later
[17:17] <bigcalm_lappy486> What an odd problem
[17:21] <oracology> hi from canada everyone! i'm back home to visit for a bit.
[17:21] <ali1234> czajkowski: sounds like USB IRQ problems (yet again)
[17:21] <HazRPG> ali1234: oh, didn't realise that's what you meant... well I saw one of your posts in my stream, so I would assume so. It depends how people are subscribed to you - if they have you in a circle, then yes, if they have you in the "following circle" then no, they will show up in the "incoming" section.
[17:21] <ali1234> HazRPG: yeah that's all i wanted to know
[17:21] <ali1234> HazRPG: i'm getting comments from people now so they must be showing
[17:22] <ali1234> i feel like i should post something not symbian related
[17:22] <HazRPG> ali1234: I usually just post things into "your circles" and only put stuff into "public" if I want the whole world to be able to see it (via my "wall")
[17:23] <ali1234> i wanted to post links to the posts on another forum
[17:23] <popey> Evening ratfans!
[17:23] <ali1234> the only reason it is even on g+ is because the g+ auto photo upload is super easy to use
[17:23] <HazRPG> indeed
[17:24] <HazRPG> I have a feeling I won't be scrapping facebook any time soon though :(
[17:28] <czajkowski> ali1234: aye but the guy seems to have one day to irc
[17:28] <czajkowski> and was told to wipe his system
[17:28] <czajkowski> i suggested irc
[17:28] <czajkowski> he unfortunately chose a time when ther were few people around so i have it on pastebin so i can ask tomorrow
[17:28] <czajkowski> popey: ahoy
[17:33] <directhex> Nafallo, do you have root on the buildds?
[17:35] <ali1234> czajkowski: who suggested to wipe the system? that never works
[17:36] <czajkowski> ali1234: a guy on the surrey lug mailing list
[17:36] <czajkowski> my reply was no log on here and we can see if we can help
[17:37] <czajkowski> however 5pm on a sunday not many around
[17:37] <ali1234> it's unlikely anyone can help unless they are in front of the machine
[17:37] <czajkowski> aye shame he's gonna wait another week for the issue
[17:38] <czajkowski> not heard of any of the mac folks having similar issues
[17:46] <czajkowski> it's hot today!
[17:47] <popey> czajkowski: who is he on surrey list?
[17:48] <popey> i must have missed this thread
[17:48] <popey> oh, found it
[17:51] <czajkowski> popey: aye from last weekend give or take
[17:51] <czajkowski> popey: http://paste.ubuntu.com/671749/  is all his details/issues
[18:00] <suprengr> rule no. 1 if having a bath - remember you superglued a cut on forehead back together earlier in week...forget it:  ooooh boy; a distinct ouch :(
[18:06] <DJones> suprengr: That'll teach you not to do a triple twist with pike into the bath
[18:07] <suprengr> [I deny keeping pike in my bath!]
[18:08] <DJones> Don't blame you, pike have too many teeth to be friendly in a bath
[18:08] <suprengr> ...a few sea-horses, a couple of terrapins and a squid maybe... but *no* pike*
[18:12] <suprengr> DJones,  would you be a a certain person G+ with no photo? if so - ok to add to mon U-UK circle?
[18:13] <DJones> Could be, I've not added anything G+
[18:13] <gord> advantage of having far too many fans on your computer - makes for an excelent way of drying out a laptop after spilling a can of coke on it...
[18:13] <suprengr> as in not there?
[18:14] <DJones> suprengr: I'm listed as "Dave" on the home page
[18:14] <suprengr> DJ?
[18:15] <suprengr> [without giving too much away ;)  }
[18:15] <DJones> suprengr: just pm'd my email address for g+
[18:22] <suprengr> gord, with enough fans thew coke never gets to the pooter in the first place!
[18:23] <suprengr> DJones, cheers
[18:23] <gord> this is why you need quad cores, burn the coke off before it gets anywhere near the electronics ;)
[18:24] <suprengr> ...or not snorting coke in the first place is probably as good ;)
[18:29] <dwatkins> You superglued a cut on your forehead, suprengr?
[18:31] <suprengr> yup.. standard "field" dressing technique... 10x better than waiting in a&e dripping forehead onto floor!
[18:32] <suprengr> [superglue = standard procedure for both those in A&E and for those avoiding it!  ;D
[18:34]  * penguin42 guesses the trick is not to glue it to anything else
[18:35] <shauno> glue a pillow to your forehead, stop it happening again ;)
[18:36] <penguin42> shauno: Makes falling asleep on the keyboard more comfy
[18:36] <suprengr> shauno, :D
[18:40]  * penguin42 burps Eves pudding
[18:42]  * suprengr burps Adam's apple
[18:51]  * StevenR wonders how often to make the very little computer take a photo (arduino+servo to control my camera) for a "24 hour" video
[18:53] <shauno> surely just 86400/how many images the camera can store?
[19:02] <StevenR> well, actually, I need to look at jpegvideo or whatever it's called
[19:03] <StevenR> so I can work out how much padding, how many fps, etc, and thus how frequently I need to take photos to make a suitably short video
[19:04] <StevenR> (I want the video to show 24 hours, not actually be 24 hours :) )
[19:05] <shauno> in the past, I've done it completely the other way around.  just pure trial & error depending on the subject
[19:05] <shauno> eg, clouds move much faster than tides or plants.  so there's not one answer to fit all 3
[19:06] <StevenR> well, for theatre get-ins, every 10 minutes should be ok
[19:06] <StevenR> but for say "sunrise-sunset" type stuff, I'm gonna need to think about it a bit more
[19:08] <shauno> 10 minutes is likely going to turn out to be far too long for most things.  that's 144 frames a day, and less than 5 seconds at 30fps
[19:08] <StevenR> theatre doesn't change that quickly (4 hours is the actual elapsed time)
[19:12] <shauno> one thing that did catch me out, primarily with sunsets, but may catch you with theatres too, if it's dark enough; all the math on paper went wrong when the exposure time got longer than the interval
[19:13] <ali1234> take more photos that you need
[19:13] <ali1234> higher frame rate always looks better
[19:13] <ali1234> plus you have an out in case a bird flies in front of the camera or something
[19:14] <shauno> I didn't like having spares, depending on how fluid the scene is.  it becomes difficult to remove them without making it jumpy
[19:15] <ali1234> yeah always go for 2x or 3x or 4x etc
[19:15] <ali1234> basically do as many frames as you have storage for
[19:16] <StevenR> shauno: the light level isn't going to change much, the stage is lit with fluoros
[19:16] <ali1234> but if you have 4x frame rate then frc isn't going to be noticable if done properly
[19:17] <shauno> I mostly ran into limits that I didn't see coming (but should have).  my camera going to sleep if it was too slow, the buffer filling if it was too fast, etc
[19:21] <ali1234> also be aware that 80000 file in one directory will choke a lot of applications
[19:25] <gord> i wonder if there is anything listed on ebay that isn't listed as RARE
[19:25] <gord> if there are ten other listings next to yours for the same product, its not rare
[19:25] <StevenR> gord: led torches and usb cables.
[20:27] <stuphi> \quit
[20:37] <bigcalm> Good evening peeps
[20:41] <bigcalm> I almost responded to my own greeting
[20:41] <bigcalm> I am ill
[20:41] <penguin42> :-(
[20:41] <penguin42> bigcalm: What's up?
[20:42] <bigcalm> Oggflu
[20:43] <penguin42> doesn't sound good - I'm not feeling great; running a bit hot (but otherwise fine)
[20:43]  * penguin42 is watching a fascinating prog on Beeb 1 about dolphins
[20:44] <dwatkins> Are they still cruel, penguin42?
[20:44] <penguin42> who? The people or the Dolphins?
[20:44] <shauno> they're whales :/
[20:45] <penguin42> dwatkins: There was one example of two groups of males having a fight - but given they were just doing it by making threatening squeeks at each other I'd say that's reasonably civilised
[20:45] <dwatkins> penguin42: I heard they do unspeakable things to each other at times
[20:45] <dwatkins> I hope that was wrong.
[20:46] <penguin42> ooh unspeakable
[20:46] <shauno> I think that's just narwhals :p
[20:46] <dwatkins> ...or just bottlenosed dolphins, perhaps.
[20:46] <penguin42> dwatkins: They seem smart enough to be able to do bad things
[20:47] <dwatkins> yeah, I imagine it's a case of there being bad and good ones.
[20:47] <dwatkins> Not every human is evil etc.
[20:48] <penguin42> dwatkins: One of the scientists gave a bunch a machine that blew bubble rings - they loved it
[20:49] <dwatkins> I'd like to have a conversation with a dolphin, but right now I think I need to cook, later dudes and dudettes :)
[20:51] <shauno> this is still the type of show that the bbc seem to do better than anyone else
[20:52] <penguin42> oddly they have Steven Fry doing the narration; which was even odder last week when it mostly seemed to be about sex
[20:53] <shauno> I say that, and then my ntl signals starts dropping out.  ugh.
[20:53] <penguin42> scary, I can't see a way of setting the font
[20:53] <penguin42> oops - wrong window
[21:00] <suprengr> "time for bed", said Zebedee....  "boing", said suprengr