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XunubiHi, anyone alive? :) Just migrated over from ubuntu, usually my NVIDIA proprietary driver is already enabled or in place in the "additional drivers" in system menu, but nothing is showing up in XFCE for this00:48
Xunubi"additional drivers" typo, I mean Hardware Drivers, in system menu.00:49
well_laid_lawntried updating the package list?00:49
XunubiYeah I did full update from update manager00:49
XunubiI'm running 10.04-2 LTS if that helps narrow down the issue?00:50
well_laid_lawn!nvidia00:50
ubottuFor Ati/NVidia/Matrox video cards, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VideoDriverHowto00:50
XunubiThanks :)00:51
well_laid_lawnI know nothing about nvidia cards...00:51
XunubiIt's a GTS 450, ubuntu / kubuntu find them and activate the driver automatically, and the kernal should be the same I'm guessing? so not quite sure of the issue :)00:55
XunubiOh, is there perhaps a repository I need to add/enable ? I just installed this system a few minutes ago so I've made no "typical modifications"00:57
XunubiThis is very odd, lots of things I usually find in Synaptic aren't comming up, like xubuntu-restricted-extras01:04
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well_laid_lawntry a different mirror then01:14
well_laid_lawn!mirror01:14
ubottuUbuntu installation CDs can be downloaded from http://releases.ubuntu.com - Mirrors can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Mirrors - PLEASE use the !torrents to download !Natty, and help keeping the servers' load low!01:14
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jrmyok so mp3blaster can't find my audio device how do I select a default device?"03:54
jrmynot with mp3blaster but with my audio driver03:54
jrmyI normally have alot of control options I only need the first set03:55
jrmyit's like its detecting 5 different devices03:55
jrmybut only the first one works03:55
jrmyidk maybe I have to try another teminal based audio player03:56
jrmyanyways need to go to bed..I'll ask tomorrow03:57
jrmy5/quit03:57
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Fudgeoops06:27
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rajui am not getting sound in my system , which is installed xubuntu 11.1008:19
rajucan any one help me with this08:19
Myrttihave you checked with alsamixer that the volume is ok?08:22
Sysihas it worked with stable xubuntu version?08:23
rajuMyrtti,  it is maximum08:24
rajuSysi,  to attempt a call i've placed in mute and re-enabled from that instant i am not getting sound08:25
incorrectin the bottom right of the window manager there is always a tab that covers up part of the app, can this be removed?08:42
well_laid_lawnI'm guessing that's the grip to stretch the window out with the mouse so it'd be a theme issue. try a completely different theme and see if it changes incorrect09:11
incorrectgtk theme or window manager?09:12
well_laid_lawnit won't be the gtk theme09:13
well_laid_lawnxfwm theme09:13
well_laid_lawnxfwm4 theme09:14
well_laid_lawnI should say09:14
incorrectall the themes seem to have them09:14
well_laid_lawnpicture please09:14
incorrectone sec09:15
well_laid_lawnI did say I was guessing it was the grip09:15
well_laid_lawnbut all themes will have them09:15
incorrectjust doing a screen grab09:15
well_laid_lawncheers09:15
well_laid_lawnbig ears09:16
well_laid_lawn:)09:16
incorrect:D09:16
incorrecthttp://picpaste.com/thegrip-DUo8Gasi.png09:17
Sysiit's in gtk theme actually09:17
Sysiyou can find theme without it or do some ~/.gtkrc hack09:18
well_laid_lawno09:18
incorrecti thought it might be, as it changed with the gtk theme09:18
well_laid_lawnI do believe I've never seen that in any other wm then xfce09:19
incorrecti think it is because i went from ubuntu to xubuntu09:19
well_laid_lawnit's the xfwm theme I'm sure09:19
incorrectbrb, i think i need to log back in09:20
Sysiwell_laid_lawn: I know it's in gtk theme and that you can get rid of it with a hack with file I mentioned, you can try installing openbox and running openbox --replace09:24
well_laid_lawnI don't have that cropping up in any of my myriad of gtk themes here on my lightweight arch install09:25
well_laid_lawnI've only seen it in xfce09:26
well_laid_lawnbut I haven't seen everything...09:26
well_laid_lawnyet09:26
Sysihttp://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2011/05/disable-the-resize-grip-in-ubuntu-11-04/09:27
incorrectthanks guys! i can't express how much that thing was irritating me09:27
well_laid_lawnwhat was the fix?09:27
incorrectthanks Sysi i used that09:27
TheSheepooh, me too!09:27
incorrectwhose ding bat idea was it to get a random widget to be drawn over the top of all apps?09:28
TheSheepincorrect: unity does things like that09:29
incorrectyes i noticed, i don't understand a lot of the choices made with unity09:30
knomethe idea was good, but the implementation not so good. we tried to make the grip less obtrusive, but gtk didn't allow09:30
knome(in xubuntu)09:30
incorrecti really like xubuntu, once you enable the gnome session to get a few more features back, its great09:30
knomehmm? once you use gnome in xubuntu? doesn't that mean you are using ubuntu anyway?09:31
incorrectgone are the days when my desktop was just starting sawfish09:31
incorrectknome, there is an option to start kde/gnome session in the autostart09:31
incorrectit brings back things like pressing alt+ctrl+l to lock the desktop09:32
incorrectand the cute ssh-agent interface09:32
knomeyeah. if you choose the gnome session, you are using ubuntu.09:32
incorrectnot at login09:32
well_laid_lawnthe option in the window manager settings09:33
knomei don't understand, but what ever.09:33
incorrectlook in settings manager, session and startup, and under advanced09:33
Sysiscreen lock should work without it too09:34
incorrectmaybe because i didn't do a straight install of xubuntu09:34
incorrecti had to tick the launch gnome services on startup09:34
knomeright, enabling gnome *services*, not session09:35
knomeshould have said that in the first place09:35
incorrectoh my mistake09:35
knome:)09:35
incorrectsorry service, session, huff09:35
incorrecti was doing it from memory which often is entirely accurate09:35
jarnosWhy does Building data structures take so much time in Update Manager?09:47
jarnosupdate-apt-xapian-index and Xorg take both more than 40% CPU09:49
jarnosthat took several minutes09:51
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jarnosI can move mouse and use virtual console but otherwise user interface seems to be stuck.10:31
jarnosI happened during parole playback, but killing parole does not help.10:33
jarnos^It10:33
TheSheephow about memory? something is using up all of it?10:54
TheSheepyou can order top by memory by pressing Oo10:55
jarnosTheSheep, no, there is plenty of memory free. But for some reason parole did not kill by killall11:08
jarnosI guess I could use some other command to kill parole11:09
jarnoslike kill -9, or is there a semi alternative?11:14
TheSheepyou could use strace to see what it is doing11:14
TheSheepbut I had a similar problem with vlc, I think it's one of the codecs that is broken11:15
jarnoskill -15 did not work, kill -9 did and UI works again :)11:18
TheSheepcheers11:18
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Synluhum...hello13:10
knome!hi13:10
ubottuHi!, Welcome to #xubuntu! Feel free to ask questions and help people out. The channel guidelines are at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/Guidelines. Enjoy your stay!13:10
xrdodrxTheSheep: in case you're wondering that's a bug on launchpad against vlc13:35
xrdodrxI had to compile it myself to get it to work properly13:35
xrdodrxhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/vlc/+bug/74332313:36
ubottuUbuntu bug 743323 in vlc (Ubuntu Natty) "vlc memory leak" [High,Fix released]13:36
xrdodrxit should have been fixed already though13:37
xrdodrx:<13:38
xrdodrxat least according to the report13:38
TheSheepwill probably appear in the next version of ubuntu13:41
ZaaMmYhi all14:12
ZaaMmYI am SaaMmY14:12
ZaaMmYon xubuntu on an other pc14:12
ZaaMmYI would transfer all my xubuntu here14:12
knomeZaaMmY, ?14:19
SaaMmYmaybe what I need is !clone14:20
SaaMmY!clone14:20
ubottuTo replicate your packages selection on another machine (or restore it if re-installing), you can type « aptitude  --display-format '%p' search '?installed!?automatic' > ~/my-packages », move the file "my-packages" to the other machine, and there type « sudo xargs aptitude --schedule-only install < my-packages ; sudo aptitude install » - See also !automate14:20
SaaMmYI am trying it14:20
xrdodrxoh cool SaaMmY :D14:28
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xrdodrxI didn't know you could do that14:28
xrdodrxThank you :)14:28
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sorsegHello!16:04
sorsegIs there anyone alive?16:05
TheSheepno16:05
sorseg=(16:06
SaaMmYI am no116:06
sorsegI've just made a fresh install of xubuntu 11.04 and I can't find keyboard layout indicator to add it to the panel16:06
sorsegShould I install something?16:06
TheSheepit's now handled by the indicator plugin16:07
SaaMmYI want to install a dvb-t dongle in xubuntu16:07
TheSheepsorseg: there is also16:08
TheSheep!info xfce4-xkb-plugin16:08
ubottuxfce4-xkb-plugin (source: xfce4-xkb-plugin): xkb layout switch plugin for the Xfce4 panel. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.5.3.3-3ubuntu4 (natty), package size 243 kB, installed size 2248 kB16:08
sorsegThanx!16:08
TheSheepSaaMmY: I suppose it will see it as a video source, just like webcams16:09
SaaMmYno16:09
SaaMmYI don't see anything16:09
TheSheeplsusb shows something?16:10
TheSheepand where are you looking?16:10
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XunubiHi all, small problem has me stumped.. My microphone is feeding directly to my speakers instead of to applications like skype for example (if i speak into my mic, it plays out of my speakers)18:41
TheSheepXunubi: open xfce4-mixer and disable the 'capture' red dots on the second tab18:51
XunubiTheSheep: Is xfce4-mixer the "speaker icon" on my taskbar, or a seperate program?18:53
TheSheepthe same18:54
XunubiTheSheep: I have done as you say in, the static noise in my speakers (from my mic) continues, and when I reopen the settings window, the red lights are back.18:58
TheSheephmm, you are right19:01
TheSheepI was confused as to what they do19:01
XunubiI just uninstalled xfce4-mixer ... is there a config file I should manually delete before reinstalling? (I'm trying to remove user error from this, i.e. some weird settings I may have altered)19:02
TheSheepXunubi: don't uninstall it19:02
TheSheepinstall it back, use the dropdown at the top to swicth to a 'capture' device19:03
XunubiTheSheep: Done.19:03
XunubiThere are two captures coming up in that list, one "playback" and then HDA INTEL PCH and REALTEK ALC 88919:05
TheSheephmm19:07
TheSheepfunny thing, I didn't manage to mute the feedback loop from the mic :/19:08
XunubiYeah, I may try running the default gnome sound mixer, I just switched to XFCE from Gnome and I didn't have any issues with the Gnome mixer19:08
XunubiShould my update manager be telling me to install UBUNTU 10.10 instead of Xubuntu? lol hmmm19:17
XunubiTwo harddrives, SDA1 = boot and root, SDB = /home and /swap ...if I were to install over the top of my current distro, with manual partition choices, leaving /home and /swap as they are, would the new install of xubuntu 11.04 accept those partitions? (there's no encription involved on any of the partitions)19:24
knome(you shouldn't specify a mountpoint for swap, the "filesystem" should just be swap)19:24
XunubiThat is how it is, I just worded it badly19:24
knomeXunubi, and yes, it would, just select the manual partition stuff, and tell the installe to mount sdb1 to /home, but not format19:25
knomeXunubi, you might want to copy the hidden (.-starting) folders, especially .config to some backup location, so you'll really get a fresh installation (unless you WANT to keep those settings)19:26
TheSheepor just create a new user19:26
knomethat too19:27
XunubiThe settings are the problem, I've really messed up this install, and I think it's going to complicate it further with using update manager, so I'm going to wipe SDA, install xubuntu 11.04 (currently running 10.04 LTS) and just keep the /home and /swap on the seperate hard drive, ideally with NO SETTINGS remembered from previous installation.19:27
knomemost people just want to use the same username everywhere, and that's kind of wise :)19:27
knomeXunubi, then move all the .starting files and directories in /home/youruser/ to backup location19:28
Xunubieven big directories like .wine ?19:29
knomewell, that's why i said "backup location", because you might want to copy that back19:29
Xunubi*searches for external hard drive*19:29
knomeif you move them to /home/yourusername/backup/, that shouldn't take long as the files aren't physically moved, they are just pointed to other location on the disk19:30
Xunubiknome: thanks for the advive19:30
Xunubiadvice*19:30
knomeno need for external drive, if you're not going to format /home19:30
knomejust move them to a directory under home19:30
knomeand you'll have them handy19:30
Xunubibecause if theyre not simply in /home ...they won't be read?19:30
knomeyes. :)19:31
XunubiAwesome :)19:31
XunubiAs you can probably tell I'm quite new to linux (more so XFCE) but so far, it's definately my fav WM19:31
knomewe all have to start somewhere, and; welcome :)19:32
XunubiAlso getting a much warmer reception here than over at the #kubuntu hang-out lol19:32
Xunubiknome; created folder 'backup', moved all .files many are starting to reappear in my home folder at random (.cache,.config,.local.xchat2 etc19:36
XunubiThis should be the last thing I do, with nothing running, before restarting my machine (I am guessing?)19:37
knomeXunubi, just remove those again once you've reinstalled19:38
knomeXunubi, or, you can just boot the livecd, and when the partition is mounted from there, remove those, and then install19:38
knomeXunubi, i think that's the best way to do it, to make sure no old configuration pops in19:39
knomeXunubi, but now you got the backups :)19:39
knomebrb, boot19:39
Xunubiknome: thanks19:39
etechXubuntu Oneiric A2 running well on my Dell Mini  9 - well done code...19:41
knomeetech, good to hear that19:44
etechXubuntu 11.11 will be great19:45
knomethere probably won't be a 11.11 though ;)19:45
XunubiWill 11.11 be the new LTS?19:45
knomeXunubi, nope19:45
knomeXunubi, 12.04 will19:45
XunubiAh :)19:45
Olbi|2I'm trying actually Xubuntu 11.04 64 bit on Acer Aspire One 722 with AMD C-5019:46
etechOnly thing I removed was oneconf.  Crashed constantly.19:47
Olbi|2Installation isn't possible cause system was freezing all the time after booting to LiveCD19:47
Olbi|2i had to install on another PC that replace HDD with installed system19:47
etechuse the Alt installation - text and slow can be good ;)19:47
knomeOlbi|2, did you happen to test the disc integrity? or the alternative cd?19:48
Olbi|2it was on pendrive :)19:48
Olbi|2tested 3 pendrive, on all was same thing :]19:48
Olbi|2all was good working, even Broadcom wifi :D19:49
knomeZaaMmY, are you having connection problems or something?19:49
ZaaMmYnono19:49
ZaaMmYit's ok19:49
knomeOlbi|2, device support is better and better19:49
ZaaMmYjust testing mount19:50
knomeZaaMmY, okay, just checking because you were going in and out19:50
ZaaMmYXD19:50
etechI had to connect to my wired lan for Broadcom wlan... no big deal though19:50
ZaaMmYfor vfat which is the <options>19:50
Olbi|2and but strange is that AMD didn't provide closed source drivers, only open source :P19:52
Olbi|2for C-50 APU19:52
etechOneiric Ocelot should be (11.10) - not an LTS ;(19:52
Olbi|2It should be 12.04 or 12.10 if I remember good from official announce19:53
knome(sorry, just checking)19:54
knome!devilspie19:54
ubottudevilspie is a tool that performs actions on windows in GNOME's metacity such as resizing, positioning, and pinning.  Usage information can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Devilspie19:54
knome!devilspie19:55
ubottudevilspie is a tool that can perform actions on windows when running applications. Actions include resizing, positioning, pinning etc. Use the package gdevilspie to configure from GUI, or see usage information at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Devilspie19:55
knomebetter :)19:55
knomeOlbi|2, yup, 12.04 is LTS19:56
knomeevery .04 release on even years19:56
knome(that is, LTS every 2 years, unless mr. shuttleworth decided something else)19:57
knomes/decided/decides/19:58
Olbi|2hmm, oneiric livecd on virtualbox isnt working yet :P20:41
Olbi|2some1 started it with livecd mode on latest vbox?20:42
GridCubeOlbi|2, oneiric live images doesn't work20:48
GridCubeits a problem whit lightdm and sessions20:48
GridCubeit hasn't been fixed yet20:48
GridCubeyou can install anyway and try the installed version20:49
Olbi|2GridCube: ok, very thx, trying alternate version20:51
GridCubeyou can install from the livecd cd too, you just need to choose the Install option at boot20:52
schijnndraeffI had installed KDE on my system, decided I didn't like it, and uninstalled it.  Now DVD and audio playback aren't working.  I assume I uninstalled something I shouldn't have.  Can anyone help?20:53
GridCubemmm20:55
GridCubeare you using xubuntu now?20:55
GridCubeif yes then > sudo apt-get xubuntu-restricted-extras20:55
pteagueanybody here good with debugging network interfaces? i just built a new box, installed xubuntu natty, & i'm trying to rsync a bunch of stuff over to it... it doesn't matter if i initialize it on the new box or the box it's pulling from it's dead slow even though the indicator lights show everything should be using a gigabit network21:13
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pteaguewhen stuff is going through it goes fast, but it seems to only be able to do things in spurts... ping from that particular box to the gateway seems to be losing packets.... i.e. just went from icmp_req=797 to icmp_req=82321:37
pteaguewow, then icmp_req=824... followed immediately by 865-877 saying destination host unreachable... wtf is going on?21:39
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xunubiHmm is there any possible reason why I get blazing fast download speeds on xubuntu 10.04-2 LTS and horridly slow speeds on 11.04?22:06
Sysimore seeders on other? or diferent mirror22:07
xunubiExample: On 10.04, getting restricted extras took maybe 45 seconds, on 11.04 it's been around 40 mins (still going) 9,401 b/s maxing out at 55 kb/s22:08
xunubiSysi: I guess, though I'm inclined to believe it's alterations to wifi drivers, web pages are also taking an age to load, I'm going to test direct downloads from websites after this finishes22:10
Sysicould be that too22:11
Sysiatheros wifi chip?22:11
xunubiI forget the command to check, ndiswrapper or something?22:11
Sysilspci22:11
Sysi!info ndiswrapper22:12
ubottuPackage ndiswrapper does not exist in natty22:12
Sysiwell, that's used if you need to use windows-drivers22:13
xunubiManufacturer: TP-Link, response from terminal is: Network controller: Atheros Communications Inc. AR5008 Wireless Network Adapter (rev 01)22:13
xunubiah yes I remember now :) back when I had 8.04 on my laptop I had to use ndiswrapper for that22:14
Sysido you have system updated? it should get fixed with kernel update22:15
Sysior try: https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=11517322:16
xunubiapt-get update just updates repositories etc right? you're referring to update manager?22:16
xunubiSysi: Thanks for the link, I can't believe I forgot to update :) hopefully that will fix it, if not I'll try making the file as suggested in the link you posted.22:19
xunubiSysi: It appears to be wireless driver related.  Update Manager taking just as long.22:34
xunubiis there a command to update the kernal without all the other bulky stuff in update-manager? (then i can download the rest with a proper connection speed) :p22:39

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