=== yofel_ is now known as yofel [00:00] JontheEchidna: a tad late here, but happy birthday :) [00:01] thx [00:02] oh yeah!! happy b-day JontheEchidna [00:10] Quintasan, ping [00:12] rbelem: pong [00:12] I was about to go to bed [00:12] It's 2 in the morning here :P [00:12] nonono [00:12] Quintasan, you dont need to sleep [00:12] :-D [00:12] lol [00:12] Quintasan, it did not work [00:12] What didn't? [00:13] patching? [00:13] 2 early 4 bed, the hardcore go to bad past 3 and get up at 5 to go to werk [00:13] Quintasan, i will upload the changes to a branch [00:13] Quintasan, the runtime stuff [00:13] But what exactly fails? [00:14] Quintasan, it is not building the active [00:15] Okay, push the changes to a branch, I'll get up earlier and we will think about it [00:15] Quintasan, oki :-) [00:16] I'm quarter drunk and half-asleep [00:16] Quintasan, thx [00:16] Quintasan, sleep tight [00:16] * Quintasan sets an alarm clock [00:16] Good night! [00:16] Quintasan, gn [03:45] Quintasan, https://code.launchpad.net/~rbelem/kubuntu-packaging/kde-runtime-active-4.7 [03:46] * rbelem goes to bed [04:22] omg still cant share connection through wifi. :| === ejat- is now known as ejat === ejat- is now known as ejat [05:48] sorry to be late, but happy bday, JontheEchidna [05:48] and thanks for the present [05:48] :-) [06:37] rbelem: Let me know when you are up [06:37] Good morning [06:55] JontheEchidna: Also, beat that. I went to sleep and had a dream when I was sleepy so I pulled a Rodrigo [06:56] I herd you like sleeping so we put pulling a Rodrigo in your dream so you can sleep while you sleep [07:17] lol [07:17] iterative sleep! [07:59] claydoh: are you sure that we have ever shipped a touchpad config plasma widget? [09:10] KRF: BTW, I have the other parts of your intel power adaptor... in case you need them ;) [09:11] apachelogger: take them with you in case we meet again in the future ;) [09:11] If I don't forget :P [09:11] sure [09:12] running 11.10, you did a good job. no major breakage. [09:12] (except kdepim, of course) === bcooksley-away is now known as bcooksley [09:29] morning [09:30] also there's some really annoying bug in pidgin v2.9.0, who can i ping about bumping that package? [10:31] debfx: maverick had it, but it was in universe - kde-config-synaptiks [10:32] debfx: in the renamed kde-config-toucpad, the widget files are not there inthe package [10:33] /usr/lib/kde4/plasma_applet_synaptiks.so [10:33] ah right [10:33] * claydoh heads off to werk [10:33] upstream has rewritten the whole thing in python [10:33] and probably dropped the applet in the process [10:45] JontheEchidna: IMHO there is more things that could be done in applicationdetailsview using qml :P [11:01] Quintasan: http://i.imgur.com/7Tvd1.jpg [11:02] apachelogger: any suggestions on what? (The screenshot label was more of to get my feet wet w/ QML, and free up a QGraphicsEffect for blur) [11:02] Ic [11:02] well [11:03] I do not understand your code :P [11:03] it just seems like there is more stuff that should be in qml [11:03] like the blur & transition :P [11:04] o, that'd probably mean rewriting the entire widget in QML [11:05] not that that is a bad idea [11:05] *shrug* [11:05] just a bit of work :P [11:05] your ctor is way too big for me to say anything useful :P [11:05] yeah, the class is a bit of a mess. :P [11:06] if anything it should be split into several sub-widgets [11:07] It is exactly 700 lines of imperative code :D [11:07] funfun [11:08] biggest class in the app, I think [11:11] I've been working on a replacement for the updater GUI following these guidelines I brainstormed: http://paste.ubuntu.com/672358/ [11:11] http://i.imgur.com/OalxR.png [11:12] I'm thinking of having that System Updates category un-expanded by default [11:12] since really, why does the average user want to know that there's anything other than miscellaneous system updates available :P [11:13] people that really do can hit the expander, or use MPM to update since they are power users :P [11:16] comments on the design would be appreciated. :) I'm off to work now. [11:30] * rbelem pokes Quintasan [12:57] yofel: You added libsmokekate3 so smokekde. Debian doesn't provide the package due to unstable ABI of the Kate -dev stuff. If we drop that we can sync smokekde from Debian. Do you mind? [12:58] Quintasan: How's it going with -runtime? [13:10] ScottK: not really, although you'll have to drop the kate bindings from perlkde too then. Is the ABI really an issue here since new packages for smoke and the bindings are released together with kate in the SC? [13:11] The issue isn't there, but with anything using the bindings. [13:12] I'd take it up with pintotree in Debian as I don't think it's worth divergence over. [13:14] drop it then [13:14] K [13:14] Sync requested. [13:30] ScottK, i made some changes and now it is building twice [13:31] ScottK, but when installing it copies the same files for normal and active pkgs [13:35] Progress then [13:36] rbelem: you did adjust the install paths in the install files like Quintasan did? [13:47] yofel, i just duplicated them and renamed accordingly [13:47] :-D [13:48] rbelem: can you pastebin one? [13:50] yofel, the latest changes are here https://code.launchpad.net/~rbelem/kubuntu-packaging/kde-runtime-active-4.7 [13:52] yofel, i just saw that Quintasan appended debian/tmp-kwin-gles/ [13:52] *prepended [13:53] right, or else it will use the non-active files from debian/tmp [13:53] also, you need to add the real install path after the files [13:53] yofel, i thought that -B would do the trick [13:53] or it will literally install '/debian/tmp-kwin-gles/...' [13:54] rbelem: no, -B installs in debian/tmp-kwin-gles. But the actual install files need to be fixed by hand [13:54] :-/ [13:55] yofel, i will update the .install files and i iwll push the changes again === jjesse_ is now known as jjesse [15:00] Anyone around that can test a k3b patch? http://paste.ubuntu.com/671830/ [15:01] [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/kde-workspace] Philip Muškovac * 554 * debian/ (changelog control) Manually specify the library dependencies of kde-workspace-dev instead of [15:33] bulldog98_: https://code.launchpad.net/~jr/+junk/dolphin-plugins-bazaar testers needed [15:45] rbelem: late pong [15:45] rbelem: Did you get it working or there is still something wrong? [16:55] omg... htop is a dream for programmers :D [16:56] hahah :P [17:04] it is? I don't find it more useful than top [17:09] -workspace accepted. [17:09] yofel: Can you test k3b on oneiric? [17:11] ScottK: what feature would I need to test for that patch? [17:13] I'm guessing ripping something with video on it. [17:14] yofel: Actually wma audio is what uses it. [17:14] (at least according to the Changelog) [17:14] will have to wait a bit then, I'll test it later on my desktop [17:18] Thanks. [17:31] yofel: it is really [17:31] you can bind threads/processes [17:32] to a specific core [17:32] you can displays useful informations about threads [17:32] memory usage [17:32] monitor core usage [17:33] you can also change priorities.... mouarf :D [17:33] <3 [17:35] mem usage, core usage and priority change can be done in top too, and how do you bind processes to a core? [17:36] and IMO, the per-core cpu usage into is more detailed in top [17:36] s/into/info [17:39] and the memory usage info in htop is junk, it shows me several processes for firefox - each using the same amount of memory, which isn't true [17:40] press H [17:40] why the hell threads has differents PID? o_O [17:40] s/has/have/ [17:40] bambee meant: "why the hell threads have differents PID? o_O" [17:41] aaaah, much better [17:42] :) [17:43] yofel: just test cpu affinity :D [17:43] (press "a") [17:44] * Daskreech hugs valorie [17:44] aaah, so that's what that does. thanks :) [17:45] ok, *now* I agree that htop might be useful ;) [17:45] hehe [17:48] bambee: because each thread is assigned a different PID i think [17:50] huh? does not make sense, it's not multithreading but multiprocessing in this case, threads share the same address space of the same process. [17:51] or it's not the PID but the Thread ID... :\ === skreech_ is now known as Daskreech [17:59] bambee: because linux sucks? [18:00] :D [18:00] linux does not suck, linux ftw! [18:01] kubuntu ftw! [18:11] Of course Linux sucks. All things computer suck. It just sucks differently and in a slightly less painful way than the alternatives. [18:12] heh true that [18:12] My Dad's HDD failed today on windows [18:13] mounted it up on Kubuntu and scp'd the data back onto the home server ... [18:14] the laptop is so old that the HDD didn't even have SMART [18:14] +capibility [18:15] Quintasan: fyi they have new HP Touchpads coming in soo [18:15] s/soo/soon/ [18:15] shadeslayer meant: "Quintasan: fyi they have new HP Touchpads coming in soon" [18:15] shadeslayer: ping me when they have some [18:15] you might want to join #webos and order one when they're available [18:15] yofel: ^ [18:15] shadeslayer: Those for 99$? [18:15] i'll be staying up for another 2 hours [18:16] Quintasan: yep [18:16] Quintasan: yofel https://twitter.com/#!/BrynaAtHP/status/105646676689170432 [18:17] k [18:18] >Server is too busy [18:18] yeah [18:19] they're working on that as well [18:25] bambee: I mean that the kernel doesn't really do "threads", but tasks (which are basically processes) [18:31] shadeslayer: I see no Notfiy me button anymore :DDDDD [18:31] :O [18:31] i still see it [18:31] refresh [18:31] stop using firefox lol [18:31] yeah already did that [18:31] not using ff [18:31] using Chrome [18:32] Quintasan: you're on the US site? [18:32] Y [18:32] aha [18:33] Quintasan: http://www.hp.com/united-states/webos/us/en/shopping-touchpad.html [18:33] I click that and [18:33] http://www.hp.com/united-states/webos/us/en/tablet/touchpad-availability.html [18:33] :P [18:33] yep [18:34] Quintasan: recursive loop xD [18:35] oh oh oh [18:35] Quintasan: http://www.pcconnectionexpress.com/IPA/Shop/Product/Detail.htm?sku=12900188&cac=Result [18:35] temporary unavlable [18:36] Quintasan: keep refreshing [18:37] i've never heard about the seller [18:37] now I can't connect xD [18:37] but the page opens for me [18:37] times out here [18:37] lol at everyone going apeshit [18:37] DO NOT TEMPORARY UNAVILABLE ME [18:38] shadeslayer: Can we boot Kubuntuz on it? [18:38] Quintasan: you can most certainly run a chroot on it [18:38] pfff [18:39] * Quintasan wonders if one can X with KDE on it [18:39] and the booloader does allow you to set vars to boot native kernels [18:39] shadeslayer: order two if you get the page [18:39] I has monies [18:39] lol [18:39] i already have a order of 2 [18:39] lol [18:39] oh, loaded [18:39] Quintasan: I could order if it's possible [18:39] yofel: Please do [18:40] apachelogger is probably giggling at us [18:40] Since he got his ExoPC and whatnot [18:40] yofel: Good luck, it times out here [18:40] :S [18:40] shadeslayer: that's the page for the 32GB one, is the 16GB one available somewhere? [18:40] * apachelogger also has a pretty huge phonon [18:40] yofel: http://www.fnac.com/HP-TouchPad-9-7-Tactile-16-Go-WiFi/a3613653/w-4?SID=d8dc5c01-5cc8-1c9f-16c1-2b35e20e03f0&UID=017CCD505-1E79-73CE-DB67-1C30FCD68734&Origin=FnacAff&OrderInSession=0&TTL=180220122039 [18:40] F5 MADNESS [18:41] ah great, french.. [18:41] nope no idea [18:41] europe [18:41] order it! [18:41] ALMOST NO SHIPPING FEES [18:41] yeah thats ^^ what i was going to say [18:42] AH SHIT TIMEOUT [18:42] ffffffffffffff [18:42] heh [18:42] MEEEEEEEEEDIC [18:43] 99 € [18:43] :O [18:43] IT'S MOAR EXPENSIVE IN EUROS [18:44] yofel: Can you access that french site? [18:44] yes [18:44] :/ [18:44] Y U TIME OUT ON ME [18:44] use the thardiiis [18:44] * yofel wonders how much space one would need - 16GB isn't that much [18:45] lol [18:45] enough for install [18:45] :P [18:45] + 10 HD prn videos [18:45] hm, true - one could use compressed btrfs I guess as emergency for part of the rootfs [18:46] yofel: Can has one? [18:46] Quintasan: sure, but first I need to try to remember the french lessions I had... [18:47] or ... you could just google translate [18:47] true [18:47] * shadeslayer isntalls a refresh plugin [18:48] yofel: i think the france website has sold out [18:48] shadeslayer: says "En Stock " for me [18:49] hmm [18:49] yofel: it shows the price as 451 EUR for me [18:49] uh... [18:49] ah ... there's a link below that [18:49] yeah, now after refresh it does here too. WTF [18:50] lul [18:50] yofel: http://www.fnac.com/HP-TouchPad-9-7-Tactile-16-Go-WiFi-neuf-occasion/w-4?PRID=3613653&REF=FnacDirect [18:50] lol, now I'm getting temporarily unavailable from the US site too [18:54] ok, now it loaded again [19:04] shadeslayer: great, now the US page shows "Sorry, we found no matches for the term you searched for." [19:04] yofel: i found some of them [19:04] on cdwg.com [19:06] yeah, but the only ones that are in stock are $512 and $441 [19:15] yeah [19:15] :( [19:17] https://twitter.com/#!/BrynaAtHP/status/105720044398452737 [19:18] yofel: if you come across any devices that are available, email me ASAP, i'm going to sleep right now [19:19] sure, I'll be awake for a while longer [19:40] * bambee blames firefox [19:40] * bambee blames firefox one more time [19:41] since firefox 7_beta it's just unusable :\ [19:42] it crashes with almost all sites... o_O [19:44] bambee: works for me... [19:44] did you try on google+ ? [19:45] I suspect /usr/lib/firefox-7.0/plugin-container [19:45] * yofel has no g+ account [19:48] maybe it's flash then? [19:49] there is a lot of flash talk going on in +1 - packaging related though [19:50] bambee: reported the crash to mozilla? [19:50] you can look up what happened there [19:50] yofel: yeah it's probably flash [19:50] don't know [19:50] well , I'm wrong, it's not a crash but a freeze [19:50] typically, when I try to go on G+ for example everything is blocked [19:51] gah, freezes are tricky... [19:51] firefox does not respond to kwin events... if I wait a moment... it's unblocked and it's reworks again o_O [19:51] and sometimes it does not respond at all and it's blocked forever [19:52] and there are a lot of " /usr/lib/firefox-7.0/plugin-container" in background... [19:52] apachelogger: why does Oneiric try to reinstall the gstreamer-ugly package over and over again every time I start Dragonplayer or Amarok? I don't even use the gstreamer backed, I activated the vlc one [19:52] :O [19:53] I believe phonon vlc might be broken then [19:53] the gstreamer plugin install is handled *only* within pgst [19:53] bambee: well, I usually have the plugin-container eating up 20% of my core on idle if I have a page with flash open, but that's all [19:53] so if you selected pvlc it probably fails to load [19:53] Mamarok: try to get a debug log [19:53] remove flash solves the problem... as expected xD [19:53] Mamarok: about the continous installation issue you might want to throw a log at tdfischer to look at [19:54] * bambee blames adobe [19:54] * yofel uses flash64 11 b2 [19:55] apachelogger: what log? I don't even know what triggers that [19:55] Mamarok: techbase.kde.org/Phonon ... has link to debugging instructions [19:55] * bambee blames adobe one more time and touches apachelogger indecently [19:55] export a couple of vars and get the console output into a file [19:55] o.O [19:55] whoop whoop [19:55] :O [19:56] now I need to debug dragon3 for a bit [19:58] apachelogger: are you sure it is in techbase.kde.org/Phonon? that page doesn't seem to exist [19:59] found it: http://techbase.kde.org/Development/Tutorials/Debugging/Phonon [20:05] Mamarok: well, that page [20:05] no idea where the phonon page is [20:05] phonon.kde.org surely ponits there ^^ [20:20] Riddell: jsut checking if you have a cron job or something updatin the DS photo? [20:31] JontheEchidna: woo ! it's your birthday. Happy birthday ! [20:37] apachelogger: whatever I do, it doesn't seem to indicate a problem, just the notifier poping up [20:37] let me try with Dragonplayer [20:38] ditto, nothing, just that notifier poping up [20:45] hi [20:46] i installed 11.04 on a pc and it hangs during boot up at the "checking battery state" situation [20:46] what's wrong here? === yofel_ is now known as yofel [21:07] yofel: finally, I have installed flash 64 :) [21:07] fixed [21:08] it works fine [21:09] Can anyone tell me when I will be able to set a damn static IP with NM? === Quintasan_ is now known as Quintasan [21:24] bambee: yesterday actually, but thanks :) === JontheEchidna changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Kubuntu: Friendly Computing | Feature Freeze in effect - Bug fixing welcome | TODO: http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-oneiric/group/topic-oneiric-kubuntu.html [23:00] Daskreech: no I don't [23:01] Riddell: manually? Just wondering since a number of channels were advertising how to update the data for the page. [23:01] a number of channels? [23:01] it says on the page, edit the document on etherpad then tell me [23:11] apachelogger: it's possible that the gstreamer stuff is still set to show up in kubuntu-notification-helper [23:11] * JontheEchidna checks [23:13] Hmm, I just got an email from a guy wanting to sell computers with Kubuntu preinstalled. From the looks of http://www.ubuntu.com/aboutus/trademarkpolicy and http://www.canonical.com/engineering-services/oem-services/oem-services , he'll have to at the very least get permission from Canonical and maybe even buy some form of OEM contract with Canonical, unless he decides to rebrand Kubuntu as "Joe's Linux" or something of the sort? [23:14] (I'm basing myself off of the "Restricted use that require a trademark licence: Any commercial use, OEM services" on the trademark policy page) [23:21] Quintasan: installed kde-window-manager-gles. When I went to kwin --replace, it failed to start. It was trying to load symbols from /usr/lib/kde4/libkdeinit/libkdeinit4_kwin.so [23:21] JontheEchidna: so shlibs didn't take care of it ... [23:21] Stupid thing [23:22] JontheEchidna: Do you have libkwineffects1abi2-gles installed? [23:22] that got automatically installed, yes [23:23] and it still doesnt work? @_@ [23:23] I'll have a look at it tomoro..later today [23:24] wait, maybe not. [23:25] it's depending on the non-gles version [23:25] that's weird, I could have sworn the gles version was installed [23:32] JontheEchidna: So, what's going on? [23:32] Quintasan: libkwineffects1abi2-gles is not getting installed since kde-window-manager-gles depends on libkwineffects1abi2 [23:32] Huh? [23:32] wtf [23:33] bug 831673 [23:33] Launchpad bug 831673 in kde-workspace (Ubuntu) "kde-window-manager-gles should depend on libkwineffects1abi2-gles" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/831673 [23:33] * Quintasan fixes [23:35] I think that yofel's commit broke something [23:35] nvm [23:35] Disregard that [23:35] I doubt that... [23:36] That means shlibs did not take care of this magic [23:36] bah [23:36] Adding as Depends and we should be all right [23:37] http://paste.kde.org/113365 [23:37] Should do the trick IMO [23:37] except won't the shlibs pick up libkwineffects1abi2 as well, creating an unresolvable dependency? [23:38] shlibs is picking up the non-gles version somehow [23:38] Hmm [23:38] True [23:39] Now, how can I fix this? [23:39] * Quintasan has no idea [23:42] Quintasan: dh_shlibdeps -Xlibkwineffects1abi2 maybe? [23:42] hm [23:42] That would probaly have some "not nice" sideffects [23:43] Unless I'm severly misunderstanding that [23:43] ah [23:43] not -X but -x (from dpkg-shlibdeps) [23:44] like [23:45] $(overridden_command) -pkde-window-manager-gles -- -xlibkwineffects1abi2 ? [23:45] where $overriden_command would be dpkg-shlibdeps [23:45] yeah, try it [23:45] er no, overridden_command would be dh_shlibdeps [23:46] Details :P [23:46] ^^ [23:58] [kubuntu-notification-helper] Jonathan Thomas * echidnaman@kubuntu.org-20110822235751-nofkxaxjnfk92p3e * src/daemon/installevent/ (installevent.cpp installevent.h) Get rid of the multimediaDecodingPackages. DragonPlayer/Amarok use Phonon, which handles plugin installation as necessary.