[00:00] <alex-mayorga> OK guys that seemed to install, let me reboot and see how it goes BRB and thanks again
[00:02] <Ian_Corne> gl
[00:09] <alex-mayorga> Ian_Corne, jtaylor: thanks
[00:09] <alex-mayorga> your workaround saved the day
[00:09] <Ian_Corne> :)
[00:15] <alex-mayorga> can someone explain multiarch to me in layman terms please?
[00:17] <alex-mayorga> also, are the missing scroll arrows in Terminals "by design" or is my metacity borked?
[00:17] <jtaylor> it installs arch dependent files into subfolders of e.g /usr/lib so that packages from multiple architectures can be installed at the same time
[00:18] <jtaylor> and dpkg/apt gains the ability to handle dependencies that cross architectures
[00:19] <jtaylor> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MultiarchSpec
[00:19] <jbicha> my scroll arrows come and go in gnome-terminal, wonder if there's a bug about it...
[00:19] <Ian_Corne> isn't that just the new scroll arrows?
[00:26] <alex-mayorga> jtaylor: thanks
[00:32] <alex-mayorga> another broken thing I have is dash is bright orange and really ugly here :(
[00:34] <penguin42> alex-mayorga: Oh youch - it is here as well; it was a nice Cyan yesterday
[00:35] <penguin42> I'm fairly sure that shade of Orange is illegal in most countries
[04:45] <billybigrigger_> any major breakages in the last couple of days? i haven't updated since thurs....
[04:50] <IdleOne> just had a kernel upgrade to 3.0.0.9
[04:51] <IdleOne> not sure I want to reboot yet.
[04:51] <billybigrigger_> i didn't get one yet, 64bit?
[04:51] <IdleOne> yup
[04:51] <billybigrigger_> i couldnt see much for showstoppers on the forums, i'm glad you piped up
[04:52] <billybigrigger_> i'm sync'd up to the canadian mirror, probably not ready for me yet, thank god :P
[04:52] <IdleOne> I'm also using the canadian mirror
[04:52] <billybigrigger_> oh
[04:52] <IdleOne> 64bit server here
[04:52] <billybigrigger_> :O
[04:52] <billybigrigger_> hmmmm
[04:53] <billybigrigger_> oh, i guess i put my laptop back to the main repo
[04:53] <billybigrigger_> still odd that mine is being held back, but no complaints here, i have a working laptop for the moment :P
[07:09] <fasta> How do I add foo=bar to the command line in grub2?
[07:10] <fasta> It used to be a matter of editing menu.lst, but now there is a file which is read by a compiler which is then read by yet another compiler, etc.
[07:25] <geser> fasta: try adding it to GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX or GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT in /etc/default/grub
[08:32] <dabukalam> If I install oneiric minimal now, and apt-get ubuntu-desktop, will I get the same build as a regular oneiric install?
[08:32] <dr-willis> yes
[08:32] <dabukalam> will it work?
[08:33] <dabukalam> because last time I tried, I got a bunch of errors, and was told it was broken or something
[08:33] <dr-willis> work as in install  yes..
[08:33] <dr-willis> this is alpha stuff... :)
[08:33] <dabukalam> true, but that's my question, is this alpha stuff now working or not?
[08:33] <dr-willis> so its hard ti tell
[08:34] <dabukalam> will anything have changed from thursday?
[08:34] <dr-willis> depends..
[08:34] <dr-willis> alpha could break at any time
[08:34] <dabukalam> pfft, i'll try it and come back here with yay or nay
[08:34] <dr-willis> or get fixed at any time
[08:35] <dr-willis> ive had very few issues with this alpha
[08:35] <dabukalam> well in the words of arnold
[08:35] <dabukalam> i'll be back
[09:55] <Vadi> 'Delete' key isn't deleting selected items in 11.10 on latest updated - bug or feature?
[09:56] <jbicha> feature, Nautilus the file manager has shifted to Ctrl+Delete to delete stuff
[09:57] <jbicha> or bug, I don't like it but it's intentional
[09:57] <Chipaca> a feature that's a bug, is that called a beature?
[09:59] <Vadi> thanks jbicha
[09:59] <Vadi> Is Delete being used for anything else?
[10:00] <jbicha> no, apparently people accidently pressed the delete key
[10:01] <Vadi> Peculiar but alright. I hope the reviews will take this kindly.
[10:01] <Vadi> Thanks for answering :)
[11:03] <zniavre> anyway to use indicator-applet-complete in gnome-panel for fallback session ?
[12:35] <jtaylor> gna I finally figured out my opera flash plugin problem ...
[12:35] <jtaylor> I forgot to update my apparmor profile ._.
[12:37] <rohdef> after I started using multiarch for Skype dependencies aptitude started marking non-existing conflicts, what can I do about that
[12:37] <dsdale> anyone know how to get flash support? When I try to install flashplugin-nonfree, aptitude tells me that nspluginwrapper is required, but is a virtual package
[12:42] <jtaylor> dsdale do you have multiarch enabled'?
[12:42] <dsdale> jtaylor: don't know. how do I enable it?
[12:43] <dsdale> also: why do I need to enable it? There is a 64-bit flash player available
[12:43] <jtaylor> not in the official repos
[12:43] <jtaylor> echo foreign-architecture i386 | sudo tee /etc/dpkg/dpkg.cfg.d/multiarch; sudo apt-get update
[12:44] <dsdale> thanks
[12:47] <jtaylor> hm weird I gave opera ptrace capability but it still won't work ._.
[12:47] <jtaylor> stupid opera, what does it need ptrace for anyway ...
[12:52] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[16:10] <fasta> What kernels are supported with jockey?
[16:11] <fasta> Since... I get again a pathetic excuse that it doesn't work.
[16:24] <charlie-tca> fasta: All of them here are supported with jockey
[16:24] <charlie-tca> Even the 3.0.0-9-generic
[16:25] <charlie-tca> If I could only do good with the GUI for Users and Groups :(
[16:25] <fasta> charlie-tca: but it doesn't work.
[16:25] <charlie-tca> Why? It does work for me
[16:27] <fasta> charlie-tca: I can paste the log, but I don't know why. If I knew, I wouldn't be asking.
[16:29] <fasta> charlie-tca: http://paste.debian.net/127016/
[16:30] <kjeldahl> Latest dist-upgrade broke audio (again) on sandy bridge laptop, Aspire 3830TG, Conexant ID 506c.
[16:31] <charlie-tca> fasta: that's not a virtual machine install, is it?
[16:31] <fasta> charlie-tca: no
[16:32] <fasta> charlie-tca: if I run the binary from ATI, it crashes when I want to make a disto specific package.
[16:32] <charlie-tca> I don't know then. Hopefully someone else does. It looks like it can't find the drivers in the repositories.
[16:32] <fasta> charlie-tca: it is just one miserable pile of failure.
[16:33] <fasta> charlie-tca: do you know how to solve my other mtrr problem?
[16:33] <charlie-tca> no, sorry
[16:33] <charlie-tca> All I can do is verify jockey should be working, I guess.
[16:34] <fasta> What does that mean?
[16:34] <charlie-tca> You asked above what kernels are supported by jockey. I can tell you "all of them so far"
[16:58] <Vanillalite> Hello all!
[17:00] <Vanillalite> Have a weird issue where Unity 2d works fine but regular Unity gives me a black screen sometimes unless I move my mouse around and I get these big black bars over my top panel, unity panel, and the top panel of say opened programs... any ideas what's wrong?
[17:15] <jtaylor> Vanillalite: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/819144
[17:15] <jtaylor> I also have the problem and know no solution
[17:16] <Vanillalite> Thanks for the bug link tho!
[17:17] <Vanillalite> At least I know it isn't just me and can follow the bug track to see what I can do to help and the status of being fixed!
[17:25] <rohdef> after I activated multiarch for i386 aptitude started marking a non-existing conflict. Between qt4-gui and qt4-qui:i386
[17:25] <rohdef> for instance synaptic have no problem with this
[17:40] <high-rez> flashplugin-installer doesn't seem to want to install for me in +1...  It seems a dependency on nspluginviewer which no longer exists ?
[17:40] <Pici> Log a bug then.
[17:40] <Ian_Corne> sudo add-apt-repository ppa:sevenmachines/flash
[17:41] <Ian_Corne> to get 64 bit flash
[17:42] <BluesKaj> high-rez, 64 bit OS ?
[17:42] <high-rez> BluesKaj: Yep.  About to try Ian_Corne's suggestion :)
[17:42] <BluesKaj> high-rez, yup, go for it ..it should work
[17:56] <blueyed> any showstoppers with oneiric? /me is thinking about updating his production machine already.
[17:57] <BluesKaj> blueyed, a production machine ...too risky for that
[17:57] <jo-erlend_> are there any serious, well known and unresolved issues with oneiric now ? I thought I'd have another attempt at upgrading my laptop.
[17:58] <blueyed> jo-erlend_: just what I am thinking about.
[17:58] <blueyed> BluesKaj: thanks for holding me back.
[17:58] <jo-erlend_> the last time I tried, I couldn't get X up at all.
[17:59] <kjeldahl`> Well, wifi and audio on modern sandybridge laptops has been challenging, but was mostly solved last month, but yesterday I lost audio again. Not critical, but annoying.
[17:59] <blueyed> I was always using alpha/beta during the last years, but am just enjoying a fresh install (since 2004)
[18:00] <blueyed> I could dd-copy/backup the partition to the ubiquity-based instance on the same machine, and would have an image to go back to.
[18:13] <BluesKaj> blueyed, dd-copy/backup sounds like an idea , but is it worth the trouble
[18:28] <blueyed> BluesKaj: not really. I will just wait and get to know the current kinks and hope for them to be fixed in the next release.. :)
[18:31] <BluesKaj> blueyed, right , I meant in it's present state
[18:43] <high-rez> Sweet, that did it.  Thanks guys.
[18:43] <high-rez> Will 64bit flash be integrated into 11.10 at some point or will it still be a PPA ?
[18:44] <Pici> It should be in there now.
[18:45] <Pici> Like I said earlier, if you can't install due to a broken dependency, then you should log a bug.
[18:46] <h00k> yeah, it's...
[18:46] <h00k> ndiskwrapper, I think?
[18:46] <Pici> nspluginwrapper?
[18:46] <Pici> or viewer?
[18:46] <h00k> I don't remember :) Lemme check.
[18:46] <IdleOne> it's viewer causing the error
[18:46] <high-rez> nspluginwrapper won't install because of nspluginviewer
[18:47] <h00k> nope, yep, it's viewer.
[18:47] <IdleOne> use the PPA for now and file a bug
[18:48] <h00k> No PPA for me!
[18:48] <h00k> I'm trying to keep this as stock as I can
[18:48] <IdleOne> no flash for you!
[18:48]  * IdleOne sees h00k with redeye
[18:48] <urlin2u> NEXT
[18:49] <Ian_Corne> no sound in lxde?
[18:49] <Ian_Corne> unity isn't working for me atm
[18:50] <h00k> IdleOne: yeah, I can make it!
[18:56] <jbicha> high-rez: the 64-bit Flash won't be in Ubuntu until it hits a final release
[18:56] <high-rez> Ahh ok
[18:56] <jbicha> Adobe has a bad tendency to not support beta software, their last 64-bit plugin didn't get security updates for instance
[18:57] <Ian_Corne> that was alpha i think :)
[19:18] <bjsnider> the last 2 flash releases have been 64-bit side-by-side with the 32-bit
[19:19] <bjsnider> but it doesn't matter as ubuntu is now multiarch and you can use the 32-bit flash without nspluginwrapper gumming up the works
[19:24] <ali1234> but i need nspluginwrapper
[19:24] <ali1234> how am i supposed to patch the bugs without it?
[19:26] <jbicha_> ali1234: did you enable the 32-bit repositories?
[19:26] <penguin42> hmm is multiarch actually upto installing a 32bit chromium or firefox and all libraries on a 64bit system yet?
[19:27] <ali1234> jbicha_: you don't understand, i need nspluginwrapper to load patched libraries just for flash, to make it work properly
[19:29] <jtaylor> penguin42: it appears no, apt-get install firefox:i386 will ahve unmet dependencies
[19:30] <Ian_Corne> sound seems to be broken?
[19:32] <Ian_Corne> pulseaudo restart fixed it
[19:34] <h00k> flash is broken.
[19:34] <genii-around> Isn't flash *always* broken??
[19:34] <h00k> Yep.
[19:34] <h00k> well, by definition ;)
[19:35] <penguin42> Ian_Corne: Yeh I've had a few pa restarts needed in the last couple of days
[19:35] <penguin42> jtaylor: It'll be nice when it is, but until then I guess we just still need nspluginwrapper
[19:36] <BluesKaj> h00k,  if you have 64 bit then add this ppa ,  sudo add-apt-repository ppa:sevenmachines/flash
[19:36] <h00k> BluesKaj: yeah, I know ;)
[19:36] <BluesKaj> ok
[19:36] <h00k> BluesKaj: I'm not going to, I'm just going to wait for it to be fixed
[19:36] <h00k> BluesKaj: staying away from PPAs while I am testing things
[19:37] <BluesKaj> h00k, one could ask , will it ever be fixed ? :)
[19:37] <h00k> BluesKaj: mebbe
[19:37] <h00k> and yeah,  I'm on 64bit.
[19:39] <BluesKaj> one can alaways delete ppas once the app is "official"
[19:46] <jbicha_> well with Flash being closed source, it's unclear whether the bugs will get fixed
[19:46] <penguin42> IMHO the current problem isn't a flash bug, it looks more like nsplugin*
[20:00] <farciarz84> hi, I got error when dist-upgrade according flash plugin
[20:01] <farciarz84> nspluginwrapper: no appropriate viewer found for /usr/lib/flashplugin-installer/libflashplayer.so
[20:01] <farciarz84> dependencies problem, and some my langague translated infos
[20:01] <farciarz84> would you like helping me with this?
[20:02] <farciarz84> the flash is being download from this link http://archive.canonical.com/pool/partner/a/adobe-flashplugin/adobe-flashplugin_10.3.183.4.orig.tar.gz
[20:03] <farciarz84> 64bit sandy bridge platform
[20:03] <ianm_> did something change with the SDL package in Oneiric? http://bugs.launchpad.net/luz/+bug/830733
[20:03] <BluesKaj> farciarz84,  you could try , sudo add-apt-repository ppa:sevenmachines/flash
[20:05] <farciarz84> BluesKaj: which package should I install now?
[20:06] <BluesKaj> farciarz84, or you could choose one here https://launchpad.net/~sevenmachines/+archive/flash/+packages
[20:10] <BluesKaj> farciarz84, heh , yeah , that's the same site as you poated :)
[20:10] <BluesKaj> err posted
[20:13] <farciarz84> BluesKaj: thx for help, I've installed 11.X version and everything seems to work
[20:14] <BluesKaj> farciarz84, well, you were already halfway there :)
[20:15] <Ian_Corne> dbus is broken too it seems
[20:15] <Ian_Corne> anyone confirm?
[20:16] <Dr_Willis> not booted/upgrded my system in like 2 weeks... :) scary..
[20:17] <bjsnider> ianm_, when you get "undefined reference to" errors in a build it's usually because of mismatched code, so old code vs. new code and whatnot
[20:18] <farciarz84> when the rc will be lanunched?
[20:18] <Pici> !schedule
[20:18] <ianm_> bjsnider: seems like the build is missing SDL entirely, though I don't have an Oneiric box to test
[20:19] <bjsnider> there's going to be an sdl-dev package that takes care of that
[20:19] <ianm_> could someone on Oneiric try:  pkg-config sdl --cflags --libs
[20:20] <ianm_> oh it's likely that the package name changed
[20:20] <ianm_> it was libsdl1.2-dev previously
[20:20] <bjsnider> games should switch to pulse
[20:21] <ianm_> using pulseaudio?
[20:21] <ianm_> Luz uses SDL for graphics
[20:22] <bjsnider> i must have gotten it confused with audio
[20:22] <ianm_> it does audio as well
[20:22] <farciarz84> ok I'll keep my finger crossed for you. Thx for your hard work, 12.04 will be better then OSX and 11.10 then ms win ever.
[20:23] <bjsnider> well, they should switch to pulse
[20:23] <farciarz84> I'm restarting my machine, hope everything will be fine after dist-upgrade
[20:26] <Ian_Corne> also my keybindings don't work in unity 2D
[20:30] <Ian_Corne> and the PA thing is plenty annoying
[20:37] <BluesKaj> there are all kinds of pulseaudio problems ...wish it was optional instead of default
[20:39] <farciarz84> how to check wich intel driver gpu has been installed?
[20:39] <farciarz84> which*
[20:41] <penguin42> farciarz84: /var/log/Xorg.0.log shows the X startup
[20:41] <penguin42> farciarz84: To my knowledge there is practially only one driver
[20:42] <Ian_Corne> well, there's vesa too
[20:42] <genii-around> farciarz84:  sudo lshw -C video        also shows a line starting with: configuration:      which has what driver is loaded for that video card
[20:42] <BUGabundo> good evening darlings!
[20:42] <Ian_Corne> hello
[20:42] <BluesKaj> farciarz84, dpkg -l | grep intel
[20:43] <BluesKaj> farciarz84, or at or nvidia
[20:43] <BluesKaj> ati
[20:43] <BluesKaj> hey BUGabundo
[20:45] <farciarz84> ok 2.2.15 they changed a lot and looks some major bugs were fixed
[20:46] <farciarz84> I have some issue with recent distro system-settings. Messageing and VoiP Accounts are unable to add/remove from account list. The =/- buttons are not working.
[20:46] <farciarz84> +/- *
[20:47] <farciarz84> also the import button doesn't work correct
[20:48] <farciarz84> Is is some common bug or not working only for me?
[20:49] <farciarz84> I've sent the bug to your tracking system.
[23:01] <h00k> okay, I gave in and grabed the ppa.
[23:02] <h00k> let'
[23:02] <h00k> s see how flash64 works.
[23:02] <penguin42> Angry Birds in G+ works - what else is there to say?
[23:05] <h00k> hey, look at that.
[23:09] <IdleOne> penguin42: needs more levels
[23:12] <penguin42> http://liliputing.com/2011/08/how-to-install-ubuntu-linux-on-an-hp-touchpad.html
[23:17] <penguin42> oops, sorry - wrong window