[03:51] <hallowed> hey,
[03:52] <hallowed> what is the easiest way to do the equivalent of 'remote desktop' with ubuntu?
[03:52] <hallowed> via ssh...then how would one go about forwarding the gui?
[03:52] <fabricator4> For a terminal session ssh
[03:53] <hallowed> the whole gui
[03:53] <hallowed> i remember it was X..something
[03:53] <fabricator4> there's a remote desktop available... Never used it.
[03:53] <hallowed> hmmm
[03:54] <hallowed> remmina?
[03:54] <fabricator4> Under system -> preferences there's settings for "remote desktop"
[03:54] <hallowed> ok
[03:55] <hallowed> do you know what protocol it uses
[03:55] <head_victim> VNC from memory
[03:55] <hallowed> ok, i was going to ssh then forward gui
[03:55] <fabricator4> Looks like an old tute: http://www.howtoforge.com/configure-remote-access-to-your-ubuntu-desktop
[03:56] <hallowed> be more secure wouldn't it...
[03:56] <hallowed> righto, sounds simple enough
[03:56] <hallowed> work from windows/mac?
[03:57] <fabricator4> Don't know, but there's tutes on that too...
[03:58] <hallowed> k
[03:59] <head_victim> !vnc
[03:59] <lubotu2> VNC is a protocol for remote desktop. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VNCOverSSH describes how to use it securely.  It works best over fast connections, otherwise look at !FreeNX
[03:59] <head_victim> That should do it ;)
[03:59] <fabricator4> :-)
[04:00] <hallowed> sounds nice
[04:00] <fabricator4> System -> Preferences -> Startup Applications -> Remote Desktop
[04:01] <head_victim> Yeah there's always HEAPS of documentation floating around. It's just a matter of finding the right set to follow.
[04:01] <hallowed> so !VNC come with ubuntu or is a package i need to download?
[04:01] <head_victim> It's all in the link. Most of it should already be there or easily installed with apt-get (or the software centre)
[04:02] <hallowed> ok
[04:02] <hallowed> how many og you guys installed gnome on natty?
[04:03] <hallowed> much better!
[04:03] <head_victim> I don't have natty installed anywhere. I have 10.04 on this pc and 11.10 on virtualbox installs
[04:03] <hallowed> oh.....
[04:03] <fabricator4> No, tried Debian for a while though.  Same problems as Unity, but looks pretty.
[04:04] <head_victim> Yeah as many people that complain about Unity I've heard the same number complain about gnome-shell. The beauty of linux, you can choose what you like.
[04:04] <hallowed> Unity is too clumsy
[04:04] <hallowed> Yeah
[04:04] <fabricator4> Let's just forget about 25 years OO GUI development and go with a dock...
[04:04] <head_victim> I want a little more config in Unity, but I'm thinking 12.04 will be the one I really test out.
[04:05] <hallowed> whens 12.04 due?
[04:05] <head_victim> Worst case scenario, I move to LXDE
[04:05] <fabricator4> 12.04 :-)
[04:05] <head_victim> hallowed: April 2012 :)
[04:05] <hallowed> isn't it still6 month releases
[04:06] <fabricator4> 11.10 in October, then 12.04 in April
[04:06] <hallowed> k
[04:06] <fabricator4> Lxde is a bit minimal.  I like though...
[04:07] <hallowed> what is lxde?
[04:07] <hallowed> debian based?
[04:07] <head_victim> !lxde
[04:07] <head_victim> Awww it doesn't have that
[04:07] <fabricator4> :-)  hahah
[04:07] <head_victim> !lubuntu
[04:07] <lubotu2> lubuntu is a project to create a derivative of Ubuntu using the LXDE desktop environment. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu . /join #lubuntu for lubuntu support.
[04:07] <head_victim> It's another desktop environment, like gnome or kde.
[04:08] <fabricator4> Tried Kde, null pointer crashes here...
[04:08] <hallowed> ya
[04:09] <fabricator4> <head_victim> you work shifts?
[04:10] <hallowed>  so are guys part of the ubuntu australia mob or just into ubuntu?
[04:10] <head_victim> Indeed I do.
[04:10] <head_victim> hallowed: both :)
[04:10] <fabricator4> both
[04:10] <hallowed> ahha
[04:12] <hallowed> i checked out some screenshots of lxde
[04:12] <hallowed> looks nice
[04:13] <hallowed> very clean
[04:13] <head_victim> I found it for when I needed some P4s to work snapp
[04:13] <head_victim> snappy*
[04:13] <fabricator4> It is.  Xubuntu (Xde) isn't bad either
[04:14] <hallowed> for lubuntu where its version is 11.04
[04:14] <head_victim> I found very little performance difference between gnome and xfce
[04:14] <hallowed> does that mean its built on ubuntu 11.04? just new GUI
[04:14] <fabricator4> hallowed: correct
[04:14] <head_victim> hallowed: it's all Ubuntu, just different GUIs
[04:14] <head_victim> With varying feature sets.
[04:15] <hallowed> but i can get gnome individually but it looks like lubunut only comes as lubuntu! lol
[04:15] <head_victim> I actually spent 30 mins last night at work discussing translation with a guy at work. He couldn't understand how you could just go and fix something when you find it broken and everyone would have it fixed.
[04:15] <hallowed> can i get the lxde package and just install?
[04:15] <fabricator4> Hallowed: Yes
[04:16] <hallowed> nice
[04:16] <hallowed> looks like kde to me - hopefully it does run snappy!
[04:16] <head_victim> hallowed: just type "sudo apt-get install lubuntu-desktop" into a terminal and you can then log into it when you next go to log into your computer
[04:17] <hallowed> I might come to this channel more often!
[04:17] <hallowed> good for learning
[04:17] <head_victim> We're here to help
[04:17] <fabricator4> http://sourceforge.net/projects/lxde/files/
[04:17] <head_victim> And if we're not here, just try the mailing list
[04:18] <hallowed> natty comes with IRC client ya?
[04:18] <fabricator4> Yes, but I prefer Xchat
[04:18] <head_victim> Yep, I personally use Xchat
[04:19] <hallowed> i read ages ago that xchat on windoes i think was unsecure... ::
[04:19] <fabricator4> Windows in unsecure :-)
[04:19] <hallowed> :)
[04:19] <hallowed> righto then
[04:19] <fabricator4> People use adminstrative logins all the time.
[04:20] <fabricator4> I believe Windows 7 addresses that.
[04:20] <hallowed> oh no :0
[04:20] <hallowed> all that *right clicking 'run as admin'*
[04:20] <fabricator4> That's it :-)
[04:21] <fabricator4> Took 'em 30 years to learn that.
[04:21] <hallowed> winows was around b4 unix tho ya?
[04:21] <hallowed> *windows
[04:22] <fabricator4> No, But DOS was
[04:22] <fabricator4> Those were the days...
[04:22] <hallowed> u saying unix was around b4 dos?
[04:23] <fabricator4> Actually, AT&T had things happening with a portable system in the 70's
[04:23] <fabricator4> Heard of Kernigan and Ritchie?
[04:24] <hallowed> no
[04:24] <fabricator4> The Linus Torvolds of the 60/70s
[04:24] <hallowed> ahha
[04:25] <fabricator4> You can trace the origins of *nix all the way back to K & R
[04:25] <hallowed> :o
[04:25] <hallowed> where did dos originate then?
[04:26] <fabricator4> Digital Research, sometime around 1970
[04:26] <fabricator4> William Gates used to work for DResearch
[04:27] <fabricator4> When IBM wanted a CP/M type OS for their PC, up he popped.  The rest, as they say, is history.
[04:27] <fabricator4> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brian_Kernighan
[04:28] <hallowed> how long u used linux/unix?
[04:28] <fabricator4> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dennis_Ritchie
[04:28] <fabricator4> First used it in the early 90's
[04:28] <hallowed> long time...
[04:29] <fabricator4> Didn't use it at home until Ubuntu 8 something or other.
[04:29] <hallowed> yeah thats what i first installed i think
[04:29] <hallowed> but when i installed it it was old already!
[04:30] <hallowed> one of the free discs canonical used to post out
[04:30] <fabricator4> In the early 90's *nix only supported SCSI drive systems, so not suitable for home PCs
[04:30] <hallowed> do you pronounce scsi as SCUZZI?
[04:31] <fabricator4> Yep
[04:31] <hallowed> ah ha
[04:31] <fabricator4> Stands for.... ?
[04:31] <hallowed> nope -.-
[04:31] <fabricator4> Small Computer Systems Interface
[04:31] <fabricator4> !scsi
[04:31] <hallowed> nevder had a box with scuzzi
[04:32] <hallowed> what is that exclamation mar mean?
[04:32] <hallowed> everyone on here uses them?
[04:32] <fabricator4> Trying to get the info bot to give a definition
[04:32] <fabricator4> !SCSI
[04:32] <hallowed> oh cool
[04:33] <hallowed> does it work for anything?
[04:33] <fabricator4> !ubuntu
[04:33] <lubotu2> Ubuntu is a complete Linux-based operating system, freely available with both community and professional support. It is developed by a large community and we invite you to participate too! - Also see http://www.ubuntu.com
[04:33] <hallowed> OMG
[04:33] <hallowed> !PC
[04:33] <hallowed> not work
[04:33] <fabricator4> !SSH
[04:33] <lubotu2> SSH is the Secure SHell protocol, see: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSH for client usage. PuTTY is an SSH client for Windows; see: http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/ for it's homepage. See also !scp (Secure CoPy) and !sshd (Secure SHell Daemon)
[04:33] <hallowed> does it pull definitions out of database?
[04:34] <fabricator4> Must do
[04:34] <hallowed> !TCP
[04:34] <hallowed> still not work
[04:34] <fabricator4> !TCPIP
[04:34] <fabricator4> Too basic.
[04:34] <hallowed> ah
[04:35] <fabricator4> !TCP/IP
[04:35] <fabricator4> Nope
[04:35] <hallowed> you heard of airstream
[04:35] <hallowed> pretty cool
[04:35] <fabricator4> No
[04:35] <hallowed> huge wifi network
[04:35] <hallowed> covers like a state
[04:36] <hallowed> they link towns with directionals and stuff
[04:36] <hallowed> pretty neat
[04:36] <fabricator4> Cool
[04:36] <hallowed> all users can go on the mini network
[04:36] <hallowed> free of course once your on there
[04:37] <fabricator4> Speed?
[04:37] <hallowed> i think its just fast wifi
[04:37] <hallowed> depends where you weer i guess
[04:37] <fabricator4> Expensive to set up, cheap to run
[04:37] <hallowed> yeah hey
[04:38] <hallowed> always thought of making something similar
[04:38] <hallowed> even just a really long point to point
[04:38] <hallowed> free phone calls!
[04:38] <fabricator4> this it? http://www.air-stream.org.au/
[04:40] <hallowed> looks like it - i think there is spin offs in WA etc cos i remember seeing a map of coverage way out of perth
[04:40] <hallowed> which state you in?
[04:40] <fabricator4> Qld
[04:40] <hallowed> wow
[04:40] <hallowed> tropical
[04:40] <hallowed> in wa here
[04:40] <fabricator4> Raining and blowing a gale
[04:40] <hallowed> ahh no
[04:41] <hallowed> that cyclone way back must have been crazy
[04:41] <fabricator4> That was up north
[04:41] <fabricator4> I'm near Brisbane
[04:41] <hallowed> ahah
[04:42] <hallowed> oh well
[04:42] <hallowed> i will come on here some time in the future
[04:42] <fabricator4> Now worries, someone is always here (usually)
[04:42] <hallowed> cya
[04:42] <fabricator4> bye
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[08:46] <hallowed> hey folks
[08:46] <hallowed> i am chasing a benchmark/stress test program for ubuntu
[08:46] <hallowed> just overclocking an old mobo
[08:47] <hallowed> and got the 1386 ubuntu disc ready...
[08:47] <hallowed> *i386
[08:48] <hallowed> i have never benchmarked using ubuntu - any ideas
[08:48] <fabricator4> http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/hardy/man1/stress.1.html
[08:48] <fabricator4> Might be an old reference.  I haven't done it either.
[08:49] <head_victim> phronix have a bench test suite for linux from memory
[08:49] <head_victim> Depends on what you want to test
[08:49] <fabricator4> Most of my old machines, I try NOT to stress them too much :-)
[08:51] <hallowed> cheers
[08:51] <hallowed> the program "stress" sounds nice - just got the package
[08:52] <fabricator4> Hey that's not a bad program for testing.  Might have a look myself.  CPU torture anyone?
[08:52] <hallowed> we will see how hot it gets... :)
[08:52] <head_victim> If it's just cpu I use burnP6 
[08:52] <fabricator4> You can target different areas, CPU, Memory mallocs, io sync
[08:53] <hallowed> yeah looks good
[08:54] <hallowed> but how keep a check on temp & CPU usage?
[08:54] <hallowed> or does it show that aswell?
[08:54] <hallowed> in windows everst dows the trick
[08:54] <hallowed> *everest
[08:54] <fabricator4> No idea.  You might need to display temp separately.
[08:55] <hallowed> any apps built into ubuntu? system properties perhaps...
[08:56] <fabricator4> Not that I know of.  I use Gkrellm for system monitoring
[08:57] <head_victim> lm-sensors
[08:57] <head_victim> !sensors
[08:57] <lubotu2> To access CPU temperature sensors and detect fan speeds, install the lm-sensors package. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SensorInstallHowto for installation and usage instructions.
[08:59] <hallowed> thanks 
[09:00] <head_victim> No worries, I'm just sitting here trying to work out how I can make google send me reminders about birthdays. Apparently it's not as easy as I thought.
[09:00] <hallowed> :)
[09:01] <hallowed> someone needs to call it a day...!
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[20:25] <Tonjevic> Yo
[20:25] <Tonjevic> I was just wondering what this team does
[20:33] <Tonjevic> hrm, well, having read some of your website, I guess I've answered my own question!
[20:33] <Tonjevic> apologies for popping into the channel at such an early hour :)