[10:10] morning [10:18] alolha [10:26] good morning [10:26] how long until your home cztab? [10:27] tomorrow morning [10:27] :) [10:27] you're* [10:27] good good [10:28] so by tomorrow evening your desire for supermacs will have waned [10:30] indeed [10:30] followed by taytos [10:30] red lemonade [10:35] apparently tk red lemonade has some additative that makes it illegal to ship across EU borders. [10:35] aye [10:35] seemingly some shop in north london sells it [10:35] but you've to buy 15 bottles at a time [10:35] hahahaha [10:40] red lemonade sounds quite vile [10:44] it's alien to english folks [10:45] they ask for lemonade [10:45] and you get white stuff [10:46] you can get expensive taytos in Waxy O'Connors [10:46] indeed [10:46] but I'd end up on the beer if I go in there :) [10:47] cheaper than the water [10:47] I got a round of drinks, one person asked for still water, it was £4.50 [10:48] presumably it had been gargled by Irish mermaids [10:50] "tap water" being the magic phrase [10:52] * slashtom hasn't quite gone native yet: no to red lemonade and i need to be drunk before going into supermacs [10:53] my last full day here today, not had red lemonade yet, might get some to educate the offspring [10:54] czajkowski is bringing me a plane over tomorrow so I can get back to the UK [10:55] AlanBell: you heading back and kids staying ? [10:55] no, we are all going back together [10:56] ahh I was gonna say give em red lemonade and cream soda [10:56] or at least that is the plan as I understand it :) [10:56] and have em bouncing off walls [11:09] Any one using tmux here ? [11:10] *tmux & irssi + nicklist.pl [11:13] never heard of it [11:13] tmux is like gnu screen. [11:13] No its more powerful [11:14] * ebel sometimes uses screen. tmux i have no idea about it [11:14] dax_roc: can tmux 'screen' an already running process? [11:14] you can use screen inside a tmux window? [11:15] with tmux you can split a terminal vertical and horizontal, have multiple windows with multiple panes . Script it's startup to log you into all servers etc run cmds etc [11:16] really nice for monitoring servers etc [11:16] sounds like screen. [11:17] you can split windows with screen (maybe only one way) [11:17] ebel: yes if you can attach to it from the cli you can reattach in a tmux window [11:17] you can reattach a screen session from a different machine.... [11:18] screen has a lot of legacy code, there is a patch to do the spliting [11:18] ebel: oh yeah , thats no problem you can have it open on more than one [11:18] if i ssh into a server and forget to use screen, and i start a long running process, there's no easy way to put that process into a screen session. [11:18] is that possible with tmux? [11:19] I have sometimes started long processes on a server and then i want to go home (so close the ssh connection), but if i do that the long running process stops [11:19] twould be cool if you could 'screen' an existing process [11:19] ebel: not sure of that, but you could set a tmux session to auto launch on login. and ask you do you want to continue running the session on logout ? [11:20] nah, i know you can detach a screen session and log out, that's the point of screen. [11:21] I sometimes start screen with "ssh somehost -t screen -RD". i dislike having it start on log in. [11:21] I think you can fork a running process to the background anyway. Never used it tbh [11:21] but "screen an existing process" would be a killer feature. [11:21] you can background a process and then 'disown' it, but then it's hard to view the stdout (unless you start it piping) or it's hard to interact with the process. [11:22] if you can fork it, all you need to do is attach to the process in a screen / tmux session [11:23] ebel: i've used screen for years. I now moving to tmux tho :D ( 1 week testing ) [11:23] oh? cool. [11:24] (and technically i think all processes fork from the original shell, that's how they get a different process id/pid :P ) [11:26] ebel: simple test would be run top && and try attach it to a screen/tmux session I guess [11:32] ebel: take a look at retty [11:56] ebel: also neercs ? not sure on either, let me know if they work :D [20:10] evening [20:44] oh dear.... gruppy.com has a kids channel now. more reasons to spend!