[18:36] <slangasek> tumbleweed: did you have further comments on whether bug #829709 should get a freeze exception?  You haven't acked or nacked it, just commented on the sync-from-Debian question, and I'm not sure if that means you're evaluating it
[18:38] <tumbleweed> slangasek: haven't evaluated it
[18:38] <slangasek> ok
[18:38] <tumbleweed> sync is probably ok from what I read, though
[18:38] <tumbleweed> err not sync :)
[18:39] <slangasek> right - and the sync route + "successfully transitioned to testing" isn't much use when it's not been uploaded to unstable yet
[18:39] <slangasek> since that takes us into beta freeze at least
[18:42] <tumbleweed> I how hoping delaying would make him upload to debian, but complaining about poor debian maintainership isn't really ubuntu-releases job.
[18:42] <tumbleweed> (delaying a day or two)
[18:45] <slangasek> for MOTU purposes, we obviously want to encourage people to make changes in Debian first, but this is a package actively maintained in Ubuntu whose upstream is the maintainer; I wouldn't like us to put up roadblocks to his Ubuntu maintenance
[18:45] <tumbleweed> yeah
[18:46] <slangasek> (syncing with Debian is still desirable - it just isn't kirkland's responsibility per se)
[18:47] <kirkland> tumbleweed: slangasek: I'll blog up a request for a more active Debian Maintainer, as an aside, so that Debian/Ubuntu might have in sync byobus
[18:48] <kirkland> (after talking to the current maintainer, of course)
[18:51] <tumbleweed> ubuntu upstream of debian doesn't tend to be very standardised (and I haven't seen any packages doing this well, yet)
[18:54] <tumbleweed> kirkland: I do see you've picked up a co-maintainer since the last upload, though
[18:54] <kirkland> tumbleweed: who's that?
[18:54] <tumbleweed> anarcat
[18:56] <kirkland> tumbleweed: as for standardizing ubuntu as an upstream of debian, I'd love to lead the charge on that -- I have over a dozen packages (byobu, powernap, dotdee, ssh-import-id, testdrive, bikeshed, errno, run-one, musica, pictor, bogosec) that I simultaneously upload to Ubuntu and PPAs for each supported Ubuntu release;  I'd love to just upload to Debian at the same time, as users often ask why this stuff isn't in Debian too
[18:59] <tumbleweed> in the past, there was utnubu, it seems to have died, but could be resurrected. One can just use Debain as upstream (as we do for ubuntu-dev-tools) and a couple of other packages have ubuntu-dev-team as their maintainer http://qa.debian.org/developer.php?login=ubuntu-dev this could be grown into something more useful
[19:07] <tumbleweed> kirkland: FFe ACKed
[19:12] <ScottK> kirkland: It should be easy enough with some sponsored uploads to get DM upload rights in Debian for your packages so you can just upload there and sync.
[19:12] <kirkland> tumbleweed: in those cases, is the same code uploaded to both archives simultaneously?  or to Ubuntu, then sync'd to Debian, or to Debian then sync'd to Ubuntu?
[19:14] <ScottK> Generally I upload to Debian and then ask for a sync, but if timing is tight for some reason I do dual uploads using syncpackage (that's why it was originally written).
[19:20] <kirkland> tumbleweed: thanks
[19:34] <cjwatson> for germinate I upload to Debian first and then sync
[19:35] <cjwatson> the tools for working in that direction are better than for doing it in the other