[01:14] <hatch> Hey I just installed 10.04 and lamp-server and I can't seam to get apache2 to read htaccess files
[01:15] <hatch> are there any tricks to it with ubuntu?
[01:15] <hatch> https://gist.github.com/8137c4e180a9a78fc201  here is my httpd.conf I had to load the mod_rewrite module but it said it was already loaded
[01:23] <lenios> hatch, can you paste your /etc/apache2/sites-available/default ?
[01:24] <hatch> lenios: actually in the time since my last post I came across a blog comment which mentioned that file and found that it was setting AllowOverwrite to None :)
[01:24] <hatch> thanks for getting back to me though
[01:25] <eross> i installed ubuntu server 64 bit on virtual box, the dhcp works but when I set up as static, I can't ping my router or the internet in /etc/network/interfaces
[01:28] <lenios> eross, paste your interfaces file and result of ifconfig -a
[01:28] <eross> ok
[01:34] <eross> lenios - http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1307719
[01:37] <eross> my router shows a Primary and Secondary DNS: but don't know if I need those, also shows internet WAN ip's and subnet masks as well as the gateway IP and subnet mask.. plus a dnx proxy ip address
[01:39] <lenios> paste the result of netstat -nr, and if possible, result of ifconfig -a when dhcp is set
[01:40] <lenios> you don't need dns servers or wan ip to ping your router
[01:45] <eross> lenios - http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1307742
[01:47] <lenios> that's a 10.0.2.x network, why did you have 192.168.x.x the last time?
[01:48] <eross> err gateway is 192.168.1.1
[01:50] <jmarsden> eross: Is the networking for the VirtualBox VM set to Bridged -- if so all should uyse same IP subnet as your real physical machine...
[01:51] <jmarsden> If it is set to NAT, it will use a separate "virtual network"...
[01:51] <jmarsden> I think the 10.0.2.x stuff is the "virtual network" approach.
[01:52] <jmarsden> Either way can be made to work, but mixing the two up will fail.
[01:52] <eross> address should be 10.0.2.x but gw should be 192.168.. ?
[01:52] <jmarsden> Negative
[01:53] <jmarsden> Gateway must always be on the local subnet, by definition of how IPv4 works
[01:53] <jmarsden> Answer the question: did you set the networking for the VM to Bridged, NAT, or something else?
[01:54] <eross> didnt set networking for vm as anything, is default setting.. will see if i can find it
[01:54] <lenios> default is nat
[01:54] <jmarsden> If you are running a server and want access to it from other machines, setting to bridged makes a lot more sense, IMO.
[01:54] <eross> correct, nat
[01:55] <jmarsden> eross: OK, and is NAT what you want for this VM?
[01:56] <eross> eh just want a place i can upload pics if i'm away, maybe remote login, serve music or do some coding..
[01:57] <jmarsden> (1) learn virtualbox before using it.  (2) If you need remote access to a VM, set it to bridged.
[01:58] <eross> then what's my router gateway if i'm 10.0.. ? i can ping to 192.168
[01:58] <eross> or you saying bridged will solve that
[01:59] <jmarsden> If you set it to bridged to eth0 (assuming the real network is on eth0 of the physical host), your Vm will be in the same subnet as the real LAN.
[01:59] <eross> ok
[01:59] <jmarsden> Bridged makes ONE subnet that both real and virtual machines are on.
[02:00] <eross> does that defeat a security feature of the vm
[02:00] <jmarsden> If you "secure" that VM that way, you will not be able to remote login into it, which is one of your stated goals... you decide :)
[02:01] <jmarsden> Configured your network for what you want it to do.
[02:01] <eross> is a subnet is an intranet IP?
[02:01] <jmarsden> No.  sounds like you need to spend a little time learning networking terms and what they mean?
[02:02] <eross> true
[02:04] <jmarsden> Did you set the VM to bridged and restart the VM ?
[02:04] <eross> no but i'll try that now
[02:06] <jmarsden> It's ten years old, but you might want to read http://www.netfilter.org/documentation/HOWTO/networking-concepts-HOWTO.html for some basics on networking.
[02:07] <jmarsden> Chapter 12 of http://en.tldp.org/HOWTO/Unix-and-Internet-Fundamentals-HOWTO/ might also help.
[02:14] <eross> it's working jmarsden, thank you
[02:14] <jmarsden> You're welcome.
[02:15] <eross> bookmarking both sites
[03:11] <twb> Yay for sudo's insults mode
[03:16] <ubunteo> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/672101/
[03:20] <qman__> ls /dev/disk/by-id
[03:21] <qman__> or ls /dev/disk/by-path
[03:21] <qman__> or dmesg shortly after inserting
[03:24] <ubunteo> qman__: how by id?
[03:25] <qman__> it shows all present disks with meaningful names
[03:25] <qman__> sorry, ls -l
[03:25] <qman__> that will show where each file points
[03:26] <ubunteo> qman__: ls -l shows long output . not shown what I want
[03:26] <qman__> yes, it does
[03:27] <qman__> ls -l /dev/disk/by-id
[03:27] <qman__> shows results like:
[03:27] <qman__> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root  9 2011-07-25 18:39 scsi-SATA_ST3250823AS_5ND0FZ5D -> ../../sdb
[03:27] <qman__> in my case, the drive with that name and serial number is sdb
[03:27] <qman__> this should give meaningful output about your drive
[03:28] <ubunteo> thanks
[03:28] <ubunteo> I got http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/672112/
[03:29] <ubunteo> why two ? what is the difference ?
[03:30] <qman__> the first, sdb, is the block device for the whole drive
[03:30] <qman__> the second, sdb1, is the only partition on it
[03:31] <ubunteo> qman__: thanks alot man, I owe you dinner or lunch or breakfast . That is what I am long waiting to know.
[03:35] <ubunteo> which command sets do we use to unzip or extract folder.zip file ?
[03:40] <qman__> unzip
[03:40] <qman__> not included by default, must be installed
[03:56] <ubunteo> how to delete all lines in nano?
[03:56] <twb> Hold down ^K
[03:56] <twb> Or quit it and do sed -i 1,\$d foo.txt
[03:57] <twb> Or since you're deleting ALL lines, just :> foo.txt
[03:57] <twb> Or install vi or Emacs
[04:06] <ubunteo> hi all , I am trying to run http://www.phpwares.com/content/php-inventory on ubuntu LAMP server. I still can't get log in page
[04:06] <ubunteo> I am trying to run PHP Inventory application on my ubuntu LAMP server. but still fail
[04:18] <ubunteo> I am trying to run PHP Inventory application on my ubuntu LAMP server. but still fail
[04:19] <KM0201> or... save the file as another name(sudo mv /etc/samba/smb.conf /etc/samba/smb.conf.template
[04:19] <KM0201> then sudo touch smb.conf
[04:20] <KM0201> (this is of course, assuming we're talking about smb.conf)
[04:20] <KM0201> that way, you have a copy of the original, if you really brick something
[04:21] <twb> KM0201: if you want to get fancy re backup, I recommend VERSION_CONTROL=t cp -bf foo foo
[04:21] <KM0201> twb: lol, i wasn't trying to be that fancy... :)
[04:21] <twb> For that matter, export VERSION_CONTROL=t in your login script is a good thing
[04:21] <twb> It means that every GNU coreutils command like mv and cp will create numbered backups instead of a single backup
[04:22] <KM0201> just stating (however you do it).. saving the original is a good idea.
[04:22] <twb> KM0201: also etckeeper ftw
[04:22] <KM0201> never heard of etckeeper
[04:22] <qman__> I haven't had to restore with it yet
[04:23] <qman__> but I used it to save configuration on a couple systems I set up for a guy who likes to break things
[04:32] <twb> KM0201: now you know
[04:32] <KM0201> twb: yeah, was just looking at it
[04:32] <KM0201> interesting tool
[04:32] <twb> qman__: it's there for "git blame" more than disaster recovery
[04:32] <twb> qman__: like, after something breaks, it makes it much easier to ask "what changed"
[04:34] <qman__> yeah
[04:35] <qman__> I used it because I figured he isn't smart enough to know of its existence, much less break it
[04:35] <qman__> one of those people that got their position because they know someone, completely incompetent
[04:43] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: ping, re: powernap ppa builds
[04:44] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: looks like all of the builds older than natty have been failing for a bit: https://launchpad.net/~powernap/+archive/ppa/+packages
[04:44] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: looks like the problem is Build-Depends: debhelper (>= 7.0.50~), gettext-base, python (>= 2.6.6-3~)
[04:44] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: i see you made that commit
[04:44] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: could you have a look at it?
[09:55] <Daviey> How is everyone this glourious day?
[10:08] <twb> Daviey: go to hell
[10:09] <Daviey> twb: Happy Monday?
[10:09] <twb> Your mom is a monday
[10:09]  * Myrtti takes away twb's grumblecookies
[10:09] <Myrtti> no more cookies for you!
[10:10] <Daviey> twb: heh, i imagine the weekend had some outage, meaning your Monday has been firefighting?
[10:10] <Myrtti> you can have cake instead
[10:10] <Myrtti> :->
[10:10] <twb> Oh, sorry, I thought this was #emacs, where I'm allowed to be a bastard
[10:10] <twb> (Because I'm tenured)
[10:12] <Daviey> Is it wrong of me to think differently of people based on their text editor choices?
[10:13] <Myrtti> yes
[10:13] <twb> Nah, vi users are always bigots ;P
[10:13] <Myrtti> Daviey: because you know you love me, and I use pink_bliss.el :->
[10:13] <Daviey> I actually get confused when i'm using real vi.
[10:13] <Daviey> twb: Long Live Nano!
[10:13] <twb> I have lots of users whine at me because I give them vim-tiny only
[10:13] <twb> One actually whinged because he had to type "vi" instead of "vim"
[10:14] <Myrtti> jed ♥
[10:14] <Daviey> Myrtti: I just had to look up pink_bliss.. MY EYES
[10:14] <nigelb> Daviey: Good Morning!
[10:14] <Myrtti> Daviey: it fits me :->
[10:14] <twb> Incidentally, http://darcs.debian.org/collab-maint/mg <-- mine
[10:14] <Daviey> twb: So you are a BOFH?
[10:14] <twb> Myrtti: is every single object in your bedroom frilled or laced?
[10:14] <twb> Daviey: damn skippy
[10:15] <nigelb> Myrtti: Dear god. Is that LISP?
[10:15] <twb> nigelb: Emacs is no longer written in TECO
[10:15] <Daviey> hola nigelb
[10:15] <twb> And if you think perl is line noise, you haven't seen teco programs
[10:15] <Myrtti> twb: no... I hate lace and frills
[10:16] <nigelb> oh, lol. pink bliss uses django pony!?!?! <3
[10:16] <Myrtti> twb: I go overboard with two things, my DE and shoes
[10:16] <Myrtti> nigelb: found my screenshots?
[10:16] <nigelb> Daviey: How's your Monday? :)
[10:16] <Myrtti> :-D
[10:16] <nigelb> Myrtti: Yeah. Also E_TOO_MUCH_PINK
[10:17]  * twb eyes Myrtti suspiciously
[10:17] <twb> You sound like one of those mythical wo-mans
[10:19] <Myrtti> IPU
[10:19] <Myrtti> Invisible Pink Unicorn
[10:19] <twb> Ha
[10:20] <nigelb> hehe
[10:39] <someuser> anyone familiar with DNS interrested to help me to setup my first DNS? already installed with defaults and all I want to do is create an allias named "ntinstall"
[10:40] <someuser> ubuntu server 11.04
[11:14] <twb> someuser: caching recursive resolver, or serving your own zonefile?
[11:16] <someuser> don't know that much. this is server used in local network, nothing fancy. how can I determine this?
[11:18] <someuser> is it possible to add an entry into db.local for this? all I want is that particular software finds this server under name "ntinstall", and it says i should accomplish this by extending my DNS setup with an alias
[11:19] <someuser> i can pastebin content of particular files, like named.conf.local or something
[11:23] <twb> someuser: OK, do you own a domain name?
[11:27] <someuser> no, but school does (this is server located in school). its "os-kastanjer-pu.skole.hr/"
[11:30] <twb> It sounds like you want a recursive resolver.
[11:31] <twb> Unless you own a domain and want to tell the world about it, you don't need a zone server.
[11:31] <twb> Ubuntu documentation explains how to use named, which is a stupid old tool that mixes up both jobs into one daemon.
[11:31] <_ruben> a software looking for a (non-configurable?) single-label dns name seems kinda broken to me
[11:31] <twb> Personally I prefer dnsmasq for the former, and nsd3 for the latter.
[11:32] <twb> Ah, I missed "all I want"
[11:32] <twb> Do you need ntinstall to resolve on lots of hosts, or just one or two?
[11:33] <Daviey> ScottK: Would you be able to give the clamav incoming bugs a sniff please?
[11:33] <someuser> one server, 30+ winxp clients
[11:33] <twb> Ah.
[11:33] <twb> In that case I would recommend dnsmasq
[11:34] <someuser> i want to automate client installation with unattended, but it requires DNS name "ntinstall"
[11:34] <twb> It also provides DHCP (and TFTP), so you don't need to set them up separately.
[11:34] <Daviey> ScottK: bug 829945 & bug 829944 give a vibe of concern.
[11:34] <uvirtbot`> Launchpad bug 829945 in clamav "purging all clamav packages doesn't remove /var/run/clamav directory" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/829945
[11:34] <uvirtbot`> Launchpad bug 829944 in clamav "stopping freshclam doesn't remove pidfile" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/829944
[11:34] <twb> And indeed, it is ideal for netinstalls and netboots.
[11:35] <Daviey> twb: dnsmasq tries to do toooo much IMO.
[11:35] <twb> Daviey: in that case, unbound
[11:35] <_ruben> someuser: tho first step would be to find out how your current dns is being handled
[11:36] <Daviey> twb: Although hpa-tftpd has never really been my best friend.
[11:37] <twb> dnsmasq's TFTP is well-suited to just serving pxelinux.0 and friends, IMO.
[11:37] <someuser> _ruben: i don't think it does anything now, just a default installation
[11:37] <twb> I remember discovering one of our sites running hpa tftp (or possibly the other one), and allowing write access from *
[11:37] <Daviey> twb: Although, the fact there isn't a well supported dynamic (cgi style) tftpd kinda sucks.
[11:38] <twb> dynamic can blow me
[11:38] <twb> I'm not happy about it in HTTP either
[11:38] <Daviey> I was quite blown away aswell, when i discovered cobbler has one.
[11:39] <_ruben> someuser: i meant in your network, which server/device/appliance/whatever is currently used as dns server?
[11:39] <twb> I'll stick to simple, intelligble, static systems, kthx
[11:44] <someuser> this is school network which is part of national school network, but it is isolated (we have our own IP range). recently, we got one server machine so we can automate lots of stuff
[11:46] <someuser> i installed ubuntu server 11.04 on this machine, everything installed by default, incl. DNS. i only made some modifications on SAMBA until now, since all our clients are still on windows xp
[11:48] <SysTom> anyone recommend a syslog server for ubuntu-server, pref with a web gui?
[11:48] <someuser> installing all these clients manually is a nightmare, so i want to automate this step using "unattended", but it requires modifications on DNS while the machine must be recognized as "ntinstall" and the manual says i can accomplish this by creating alias.
[11:51] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #634980 in cloud-init (main) "openjdk install problem on Lucid t1.micro instance (dup-of: 634487)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/634980
[11:55] <someuser> _ruben: as I understood, all I need is an alias on localhost? i want to reach this machine from home, but at some point later, not important ATM
[11:56] <someuser> now I need that one software can recognize server under name "ntinstall" using DNS
[12:01] <someuser> twb: should i uninstall dns bind9 before using dnsmasq? reading about dnsmasq looks like this is what i'm looking for
[12:12] <_ruben> someuser: is this a new network or existing ?
[12:12] <someuser> existing
[12:12] <Daviey> someuser: yes
[12:12] <_ruben> then something is quite likely already providing dns in your network
[12:14] <Daviey> zul: Are you seeing, Bus 'pci.0' not found with the pandaboard?
[12:15] <someuser> _ruben: i think dnsmasq is what I need. what I want is local DNS, at some point later reachable from outside world
[12:15] <zul> Daviey: yeah under libvirt
[12:15] <Daviey> zul: Yeah, so i think it's just a non-standard namespace thing.
[12:15] <Daviey> zul: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=667345
[12:15] <uvirtbot`> bugzilla.redhat.com bug 667345 in libvirt "Cannot add/start a PPC virtual machine (Bus 'pci.0' not found)" [High,New]
[12:16] <Daviey> zul: pci.0 vs pci
[12:16] <someuser> _ruben: it should just serve machine names inside local network
[12:17] <zul> i just disablled pciaccesss for libvirt when starting it on an pandaboard
[12:20] <Daviey> zul: We might want to investigate that bug, if we can 'fix' it, we are GOLD.
[12:20] <zul> Daviey: agreed...i guess that would be a job for robbie jr
[12:21] <lynxman> Daviey: howdy o/ hope you had a good weekend
[12:24] <lynxman> zul: robbie jr?
[12:25] <zul> lynxman: new guy we hired also called robbie
[12:25] <lynxman> zul: aah, cool
[12:25] <lynxman> zul: if he's half as tall as robbiew he'll be tall :)
[12:25] <zul> lynxman: heh
[12:30] <lynxman> utlemming: ping
[12:38] <Daviey> zul: junior! :)
[12:38] <Daviey> lynxman: pretty dandy!
[12:38] <lynxman> Daviey: good to hear! :)
[12:54] <ScottK> Daviey: Those bugs are things we need to fix, but they aren't new problems, so it's good they were identified.
[12:54] <ScottK> I wouldn't get too excited though.
[13:02] <Daviey> ScottK: Ah, ok - i was sorta worried they were new issues.  mention of /var/run made me wonder if it was fallout of the /run transition.
[13:02] <ScottK> Nope.  Should be fine.
[13:03] <Daviey> groovy.
[13:18] <_ruben> hrm, wonder which versions of heartbeat still support the v1 config style .. guess that'd be heartbeat 2.x.y and thus hardy would be the choice of ubuntu version
[13:19] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #829221 in samba (main) "lightdm crashed with SIGSEGV in initialize_password_db()" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/829221
[13:34] <soren> _ruben: The style of a configuration file dictates your choice Ubuntu version? Really?
[13:35] <_ruben> soren: it's a temporary drop-in replacement i'm looking for ;)
[13:36] <soren> _ruben: mkay :)
[13:47] <hallyn> (someone here pinged me last night, but i can't seem to find the ping in my scrollback;  pls yell again if you pinged me)
[13:48] <_ruben> probably: 00:37 < Daviey> hallyn: around?
[13:48] <_ruben> ~15 hrs ago
[13:51] <hallyn> _ruben: thanks :)
[13:51] <hallyn> Daviey: I was internet-free.  internet-liberated.
[13:51] <lynxman> hallyn: did it feel good?
[13:52] <hallyn> lynxman: terrific
[13:52] <hallyn> it gave me time to reflect on the mid-90s internet :)
[13:53] <_ruben> heh
[13:53] <lynxman> hallyn: living dangerously... at 300bps
[13:53] <hallyn> yup, acoustically coupled, on my vt101.
[13:53] <hallyn> stop it, i'm getting ferklempt
[13:54] <Daviey> hallyn: Was it me?
[13:54] <_ruben> oh nice, /lastlog -clear .. for when you forget to use -count <somenumber> ;)
[13:54] <hallyn> Daviey: yup
[13:54] <hallyn> Daviey: what's up?
[13:54] <Daviey> aww, crap - i have NFI what it was.
[13:54] <_ruben> hah
[13:55] <Daviey> hallyn: I think there was an issue with one of the qemu packages that doesn't work anymore as it's missing the firmware.
[13:55] <hallyn> Daviey: phew, that gives me time to keep looking at smoser's lxc problem
[13:55] <hallyn> hm, in 0.15.0?
[13:56] <hallyn> i'm using it (and the new libvirt) on my laptop, ahven't run into that
[13:56] <smoser> hallyn, i have to patch-pilot today, would it work better for you to look at my lxc issue now or in 4 hours?
[13:57] <hallyn> smoser: today is my only day in this week, and i'm not feeling optimistic about it,
[13:57] <hallyn> so i'm just following your recipe trying to reproduce.  may as well do that while you're piloting
[13:57] <hallyn> (i did it friday too, but then the stack instance just stopped responding.  poc)
[13:58] <smoser> stack instance?
[13:58] <hallyn> that i was using as host
[13:58] <hallyn> as in openstack
[13:59] <Andy80> hi :)
[13:59] <Daviey> hallyn: Hmm.. I installed a fresh oneiric machine.. installed one of the qemu packages.. i think qemu-system, and it turns out it needs to depend on ipxe for the firmware
[13:59] <Daviey> I think i need to reproduce it.
[13:59] <smoser> hallyn, ok. i'll let you look at it.
[14:00] <smoser> please ping me if you have any questions
[14:00] <hallyn> smoser: will do, thx
[14:00] <smoser> i can set up an instenace for you if you'd like
[14:00] <smoser> s/instance/host+instance/
[14:00] <hallyn> Daviey: ?  seabios should work if yo'ure not doing pxe
[14:00] <hallyn> Daviey: oh, if you were doing pxe, then remember you need my updated ipxe to rename the roms :)
[14:01] <hallyn> Daviey: should be in ppa:serge-hallyn/virt
[14:01] <Daviey> hallyn: I think it might have been missing nic firmware.  I really need to reproduce to be more accurate.
[14:01] <Daviey> hallyn: Isn't your updated ipxe in the archive?
[14:02] <Daviey> utlemming: Can you give me a shout when you are alive, please?
[14:02] <hallyn> Daviey: oh, you were using qemu 0.14.1 from the archive, not the 0.15.0 candidate?
[14:03] <Daviey> hallyn: I was using archive only contents.
[14:03] <Daviey> I need to smoke the 0.15 magic.
[14:04] <hallyn> Daviey: drat
[14:07] <hallyn> smoser: (reproduced, but i'll refrain from bugging you until you're done piloting)
[14:07] <smoser> hallyn, and you also reproduce that rsync -axHAS /orig/path /new/path results in a working lxc root at /new/path ?
[14:07] <smoser> because that is what made me think i was insane
[14:08] <utlemming> daviey: alive
[14:08] <Daviey> hallyn: you might notice that i did sponsor your ipxe change, but i folded ubuntu1+ubuntu2 into just ubuntu1, hope that was ok?
[14:08] <hallyn> smoser: the problem I see stems from 'bad' xml
[14:08] <Daviey> utlemming: Good morning sir!
[14:08] <hallyn> smoser: libvirt on mine is complaining about
[14:08] <Daviey> utlemming: Are you able to look at the armel cloud image build failure?
[14:08] <hallyn>     <type arch='x86_64'>exe</type>
[14:09] <Daviey> utlemming: Also, whilst poking the code, can you make the fs of type ext3?
[14:09] <hallyn> the arch definition in there.
[14:09] <hallyn> Daviey: wait, that migiht be your problem then
[14:09] <hallyn> Daviey: ubuntu2 was for 0.15.0
[14:09] <hallyn> i think
[14:09]  * hallyn check
[14:09] <utlemming> hallyn: I'll look at the x86_64 bit there
[14:09] <Daviey> hallyn: Hmm, after installing ipxe life was good.
[14:10] <utlemming> Daviey: EXT3, no problem
[14:10] <utlemming> Daviey: did you see the grub-ipxe patch yet?
[14:10] <hallyn> Daviey: ok, then i'll be quiet
[14:10] <soren> Daviey: The kvm package hasn't included PXE firmware for years.
[14:10] <soren> Daviey: You've needed to install an extra package to get those. It used to be etherboot-kvm, I think.
[14:11] <Daviey> hallyn: It complained about missing pxe-rtl8139.rom, which isn't etirely unknown to users.
[14:12] <Daviey> ie, http://www.moe.co.uk/2011/01/07/pci_add_option_rom-failed-to-find-romfile-pxe-rtl8139-bin/
[14:12] <Daviey> (installing ipxe resolved it)
[14:12] <soren> Ah, right "kvm-pxe" was it.
[14:12] <Daviey> utlemming: I did see it, and it looked nice and clean.. I need to try it, and wanted Colin's second opinion tbh.
[14:13] <hallyn> Daviey: ok, yes we definately want kvm to depend on ipxe.
[14:13] <soren> erm.
[14:13] <Daviey> soren: Yeah!  But it needs to be a depends if it's failing to work :)
[14:13] <hallyn> (and there's an open bug for it)
[14:13] <Daviey> FWIW, it wasn't kvm, i'm certain of.
[14:13] <soren> Daviey: Not really.
[14:13] <soren> Daviey: PXE booting fails, yes.
[14:13] <utlemming> Daviey: I need to beat up the arm guys about a sane naming convention for the arm kernels
[14:13] <soren> This was entirely intentional.
[14:13] <utlemming> that's whats killing the build
[14:14] <soren> etherboot (and I presume ipxe is the same) contains a bunch of drivers for a bunch of network cards. Drivers that are different from what's in the kernel. That's a support nightmare, so we didn't want to drag that stuff into main.
[14:14] <soren> Hence, the kvm-pxe package.
[14:14] <soren> ...which is in universe.
[14:14] <Daviey> soren: ipxe is now in main
[14:14] <soren> Oh.
[14:14] <soren> Shite.
[14:14] <soren> Pardon my French.
[14:15] <soren> Have fun with that :)
[14:15] <Daviey> soren: I have more confidence in ipxe than i did with etherboot.
[14:15] <soren> ABsolutely.
[14:15] <soren> That's not saying a lot, though.
[14:16] <soren> meh
[14:19] <soren> Daviey: "Maintenance: Simple package that the Ubuntu Server Team will take care of." <- *chuckle* (from ipxe MIR)
[14:22] <Daviey> soren: :D
[14:22] <hallyn> maybe we should've created a mini-sub-package that only ships the virtio one
[14:22] <Daviey> soren: the package IS simple... the contents are not :)
[14:25] <soren> Why is PXE booting kvm's suddenly so critical, by the way?
[14:26] <baffle> To be honest, I kindof prefer that to installing from ISO. Integrated with all my other systems. The alternative is ofcourse to make magick images in a cloud setup, but PXE booting works for both physical and virtual machines.
[14:28] <Daviey> soren: it's not.
[14:28] <soren> baffle: Sure. I just can't remember the last time I used the installer (preseeded or not) to install a virtual machine.
[14:28] <soren> Daviey: So ipxe is in main because...
[14:28] <Daviey> it's a build dep of xen for 1.
[14:28] <Daviey> that could probably have been patched out TBH.
[14:29] <soren> I'll bet all it does is exactly what my kvm-pxe package did.
[14:29] <Daviey> soren: Supporting PXE on hardware which doesn't support it in the bios is nice to have.
[14:29] <soren> ...which is take a ROM from ipxe (or etherboot in kvm-pxe's case) and reformat it for kvm.
[14:30] <Daviey> but TBH, not really server grade kit if that is the case.
[14:30] <soren> I dunno. It just didn't feel like taking on the support burden back in the day.
[14:31] <Daviey> When i were a lad.. these 'ere were all fields ya know.
[14:31] <baffle> soren: You're so old and wise.
[14:31] <baffle> :-)
[14:31] <Daviey> soren: We can always review it next cycle, but i don't expect ipxe is going to hurt that much.
[14:32] <soren> Famous last words. :)
[14:33] <Daviey> soren: Thankfully it's not an LTS :)
[14:38] <hallyn> soren: Daviey: i didn't realize tha'ts where kvm-pxe came from.  For next cycle, instead of dropping kvm-pxe, pulling just a few roms from ipxe (and leaving ipxe untouched from debian) soudns good
[14:50] <rcaskey> howdy all. How does grub decide what disk to boot? I'm having an issue where it will occasionally decide to boot off a lvm image...
[15:15] <andygraybeal> i'm trying to use virt-install to make a new virtual machine in ubuntu 11.04 desktop.. the problem i'm having is it keeps changing the ownership of the .iso i'm using and then it says 'permission denied'  ... i did a search in google and nothing really came up, i wonder if anyone has had similiar experience and what should i do?
[15:15] <pmatulis> andygraybeal: iso resides where?
[15:16] <andygraybeal> this is all on my local machine; the iso lives there also
[15:16] <pmatulis> andygraybeal: on your local filesystem?  not an external disk or somesuch?
[15:16] <andygraybeal> it changes the ownership to libvirt-qemu and group to kvm
[15:16] <andygraybeal> yes, local filesystem it's actually in my home folder
[15:17] <andygraybeal> should i just put myself into the kvm group? or something.. i'm already in the libvirt group
[15:17] <andygraybeal> libvirtd group
[15:18] <pmatulis> andygraybeal: check ownership/mode of the parent directories of your home directory i guess
[15:18] <andygraybeal> eveyrhting is andy:andy
[15:19] <andygraybeal> mode is regular drwxr-xr-xr on the home folder 'andy'
[15:19] <andygraybeal> errrr
[15:19] <andygraybeal> drwxr-xr-x
[15:19] <andygraybeal> got a little carreid away there
[15:20] <pmatulis> andygraybeal: there is a bug on this when iso resides on external media.  i feel your problem is related
[15:20] <andygraybeal> i saw something on google where people were trying to do stuff on an nfs file
[15:20] <andygraybeal> nfs file system
[15:20] <andygraybeal> yea
[15:20] <andygraybeal> i think the same thing
[15:21] <andygraybeal> and it's 11.04 .. so i figure the bugs are figured out yet
[15:21] <andygraybeal> thank yuo for going over it with me :)
[15:22] <andygraybeal> okay, i give up.  i'm gonna work on something else now
[15:22] <andygraybeal> thanks again
[15:36] <hallyn> utlemming: not sure i was clear enough before - i hope you're not spending time pursuing what i said aobut the arch= flag in the type part of the lxc container definition - it's no longer complaining about htat for me (no idea what changed, but th eflag is back in there)
[15:37] <utlemming> hallyn: nope...I'm not. :)
[15:44] <smoser> Daviey, can you quickly accept nomination at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/php5/+bug/651049
[15:45] <uvirtbot`> Launchpad bug 651049 in php5 "php5: FILTER_VALIDATE_URL will invalidate a hostname that includes '-'" [Medium,Fix released]
[15:50] <Daviey> smoser: Done.. you should be able to do this yourself. :)
[15:51]  * Daviey wonders who has a free cycle at the moment.
[15:52] <Daviey> hggdh: How high is your confidence in qemu 0.15?
[15:52] <lynxman> smoser: didn't know you were good in PHP ;)
[15:53] <hggdh> Daviey: have not used it, had to go back to Natty (Oneiric was so broken as to be impossible to keep on)
[15:53] <hggdh> Daviey: but it is time for me to take the plunge again...
[15:56] <hallyn> hggdh: you can grab it from ppa:serge-hallyn/virt
[15:56] <hggdh> hallyn: will install and run, then. Does it work on Natty, or should I upgrade?
[15:57] <smoser> Daviey, i'm 1 ACK away from being able to do so
[15:57] <hallyn> hggdh: not sure, i haven't tried on natty.  i woudl expect it to...
[15:58] <hallyn> smoser: all right i don't yet know why what's happening is happending, but i know the end result and haave a patch workign aroudn.  would prefer to find the original cause though
[15:58] <hggdh> hallyn: hum. Perhaps it is better to go Oneiric, and then try. This will take about 4 hours (upgrade, and then play, and then report)
[15:58] <hallyn> (/.oldroot/<container>/dev/pts is being funky)
[16:00] <Daviey> smoser: i saw :/
[16:00] <Andy80> kim0: hi :) I was reading your email and I wanted to start reviewing the serverdocs, but I don't understand if it's still needed ot not... I mean... in one email someone says that now only help.ubuntu.com is used... am I missing something?
[16:00] <kim0> Andy80: yes it's still needed
[16:01] <kim0> Andy80: it's just that the 2 weeks deadline is not that hard anymore :) we can have more time
[16:01] <kim0> Andy80: but there's tons of stuff to be done .. so please go ahead :)
[16:01] <Daviey> hggdh: Ah sorry, that question was for hallyn.. tab fail.. but I'd certainly appreciate you sniffing qemu 0.15 to spot regressions.
[16:01] <Daviey> It's quite late in the cycle for a new upstream version.. but if confidence is high, we can still consider it.
[16:02] <hggdh> Daviey: heh. I will try, no matter what. You can get a FFE for it, I guess ;-)
[16:02] <Andy80> kim0: ok... another question, when I review the docs, do I have to review the text only or do I have to try all commands/configurations ecc... on oneiric server?
[16:03] <Daviey> hggdh: Yeah, but FFe is based on confidence.. currently, i don't have enough as there are too many unknowns.
[16:04] <kim0> Andy80: well .. I would say use your best judgement .. if a command is too trivial .. no need to try that. I try to make sure the package names and command names are the same, and if it's fun, I try the actual commands too :)
[16:04] <Andy80> kim0: ok... I'll install a oneiric server on a VM in the mean time
[16:04] <kim0> Andy80: Awesome! Thanks a lot :)
[16:12] <Daviey> RoAkSoAx: around?
[16:16] <RoAkSoAx> Daviey: nope :) this is an automated response
[16:16] <RoAkSoAx> hehe
[16:16] <Daviey> dammit.
[16:17] <RoAkSoAx> Daviey: what's up man? :)
[16:17] <Daviey> I was really hoping to talk to RoAkSoAx, oh well.
[16:18] <lynxman> Daviey: talking to RoAkSoAx's toaster is a good second option :)
[16:20]  * smoser is jealous that RoAkSoAx got one of those new ToasterMatic 2011 models with irc bot built in
[16:51] <craigbass1976> Do I need to be in postfix to ask a postfix question, or will running it on an ubuntu server allow me to ask something in here?  I'm trying to forward mail from blahblah@domain.com to several people at the same domain.  I don't remember how I set up the server last year, but there's no /etc/postfix/virtual, which is how I'm reading that it's supposed to be done.
[16:56] <Daviey> RoAkSoAx: [andreserl] Validate desktop deployment through cobbler: TODO <-- that is done, isn't it?
[17:01] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #831493 in postfix (main) "package postfix 2.8.2-1ubuntu2.1 failed to install/upgrade: subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 75" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/831493
[17:04] <RoAkSoAx> Daviey: afaik we cannot import a Desktop ISO and deploy, but rather, we need to add ubuntu-desktop as a package to install from a netboot image
[17:04] <RoAkSoAx> and yes in that case is verified
[17:10] <Daviey> RoAkSoAx: I assumed that meant validating the desktop alternatve image?
[17:10] <Daviey> ie, DI
[17:11] <Daviey> although, ubuntu-desktop is probably enough TBH
[17:12] <RoAkSoAx> Daviey: oh plop :) no haven't yet tried the alternate, will add it to my todo though
[17:12] <kirkland> jcastro: built that zotac box this weekend -- it's pretty sweet :-)
[17:13] <smoser> lynxman, pretty sure you requested merge at https://code.launchpad.net/~lynxman/ubuntu/oneiric/swift/swift-upstart/+merge/72032 to the wrong branch
[17:14] <smoser> i think you wanted merge into lp:~openstack-ubuntu-packagers/ubuntu/oneiric/swift/ubuntu
[17:14] <NCommander> Daviey: you about?
[17:14] <lynxman> smoser: hm I did two and the second got accepted :) you're right, as always
[17:15] <smoser> lynxman, so you will either move the branch target or mark that thing invalid ?
[17:15] <smoser> just trying to get it off of http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/sponsoring/
[17:16] <lynxman> smoser: I'll mark it as invalid
[17:16] <lynxman> smoser: was actually waiting for you to point it out, just to see if you paid attention ;)
[17:17] <smoser> lynxman, no way would i miss anything that important!
[17:17] <lynxman> smoser: :D
[17:17] <Daviey> Is everyone HAPPY?
[17:18] <Daviey> NCommander: o/
[17:18] <Daviey> RoAkSoAx: alt' is LOW priority. :)
[17:19] <RoAkSoAx> Daviey: hehe ok ;)
[17:19] <lynxman> Daviey: yeah!
[17:19] <RoAkSoAx> Daviey: if there's stuff you want me to take care of just send it over
[17:20] <Daviey> RoAkSoAx: Get the lab working :)
[17:20] <Daviey> RoAkSoAx: Feel free to add db_get support to the cobbler-enroll package? :)
[17:24] <lynxman> Daviey: still have two bugs on my table, mind if I bash them later today or tomorrow?
[17:25] <RoAkSoAx> Daviey: hehe ok, will get the lab first
[17:29] <chuck_> Daviey: no
[17:30] <Daviey> lynxman: I want them done YESTERDAY, dammit.
[17:30] <Daviey> zul: wassup?
[17:30] <lynxman> Daviey: I'll get my Tardis later then :D
[17:30] <Daviey> groovy
[17:31] <Daviey> Anyone looking for stuff to do?
[17:31] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #831505 in cloud-init (main) "add-apt-repository blocks cloud-init on oneiric" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/831505
[17:32] <ersi> Daviey: Yeah, I am!
[17:33] <ersi> Was thinking of triaging a bug or two, but I've seen that the -server team doesn't have many untriaged right now ;p
[17:33] <Daviey> ersi: Well we do :)
[17:33] <Daviey> ersi: Our triage process works a little different
[17:33] <ersi> Oh? Fill me in or link me up! :)
[17:33] <Daviey> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/KnowledgeBase#Bug_Triager
[17:34] <ersi> ah, think I got that open in a tab. Will read/re-read it
[17:34] <Daviey> http://status.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/ubuntu-server/triage-report.html <-- helpful resource.
[17:34] <Daviey> ersi: so stage one, is just setting importance (if you have foo to be able to do that)
[17:34] <bkerensa> hi all
[17:34] <ersi> I work as a 'Test Engineer', so hopefully this is a win-win situation :)
[17:35] <Daviey> ersi: Although - if you do not, commenting that you think it should be a 'Medium' bug, for example - certainly adds credit to be able to join the rank of the few.
[17:35] <Daviey> ersi: I'm going afk now, but please do ask others if you get stuck.
[17:35] <Daviey> ersi: We really appreciate your hlep :)
[17:35] <ersi> Sure thing
[17:35] <Daviey> help
[17:35] <ersi> See ya :-)
[17:37] <Daviey> ersi: See you later or tomorrow
[17:47] <ersi> Hm. How does one get 'foo' to be able to set importance on a bug? Do I have to be a member of the ubuntu-server team, or a bug squad or something like that?
[17:53] <Daviey> ersi: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugControl
[17:53] <RoAkSoAx> smoser: howdy!! any ideas? http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/672616/
[17:53] <Daviey> ersi: feel free to move onto the other tasks.. you need to prove a bit of experience before being allowed to join bugcontrol
[17:53] <RoAkSoAx> smoser: late command: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/672617
[17:54] <ersi> Daviey: Yeah, I assumed so. It's no problem, I was just curious.
[17:54] <smoser> is there really no sshd_config ?
[17:55] <RoAkSoAx> smoser: it exists
[17:55] <smoser> it cant possibly
[17:56] <smoser> or at least i can't imagine how it could throw that error if it did
[17:57] <RoAkSoAx> smoser: how can I make it rerun?
[17:59] <smoser> sudo cloud-init-cfg ssh always
[17:59] <smoser> try that.
[18:04] <RoAkSoAx> smoser: will do after reinstall ;)
[18:42] <RoAkSoAx> smoser:
[18:42] <RoAkSoAx> smoser: ping
[18:43] <RoAkSoAx> smoser: so add-apt-repository now asks to confirm whether to add or not a PPA and I think cloud init is getting stuck there (i already figured out what was the the issue with the file stuff, need openssh-server installed)
[18:44] <smoser> RoAkSoAx, adam_g has a fix.
[18:44] <RoAkSoAx> adam_g: ping
[18:44] <smoser> discussing now in ubuntu-cloud
[18:45] <adam_g> RoAkSoAx: here
[18:46] <adam_g> (and there:)
[18:57] <ersi> Any triagers around? I'm currently looking at #829625, but I'm unable to reproduce it in a VM - any tips on how to proceed?
[19:17] <josePhoenix> Hello all.. what can I use for log rotation? Logrotate seems like it expects to be run as root
[19:18] <josePhoenix> In my case, the logs are owned by an unprivileged user, and I'd like to put the rotation stuff in said user's crontab
[19:19] <Pici> josePhoenix: logrotate seems to allow you to specify the config file as an argument.
[19:21] <josePhoenix> Pici: yes, but I was reading through the directives and, for example, create lets you specify mode, owner, and group
[19:21] <josePhoenix> wouldn't that cause problems if it tries to chmod? or does it only care if owner != current uid
[19:26] <zul> muahahhaha....http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/672668/
[19:27] <ersi> josePhoenix: You can indeed use logrotate as an unpriviliged user
[19:31] <josePhoenix> thanks ersi and Pici :]
[19:36] <Daviey> How are things looking? Everyone good?
[19:37] <ersi> Yeah, I guess :)
[19:38] <ersi> I'm was looking at #829625, but I'm unable to reproduce it in a VM - any tips on how to proceed?
[19:38] <guntbert> Daviey: uhh ... are you looking for chatting partners? they may be found in #ubuntu-offtopic
[19:39] <Pici> guntbert: Daivey is working with his server team comrades :)
[19:40]  * guntbert blushes, sorry Daviey ...
[19:44] <Daviey> bug #829625
[19:44] <uvirtbot`> Launchpad bug 829625 in ntp "package ntpdate 1:4.2.6.p2 dfsg-1ubuntu5.1 failed to install/upgrade: error writing to '<standard output>': No such file or directory" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/829625
[19:44] <Daviey> guntbert: I'm *always* looking for chatting partners, who are looking to contribute to ubuntu-server :)
[19:46] <Daviey> ersi: So, looking at that bug.. the first thing i would do is look at the DpkgTerminalLog and jump to the bottom - it normally gives an indication of the issue
[19:46] <Daviey> Often, it's a local issue (malformed config files on upgrade or a strange enviroment that we haven't tested)
[19:46] <ersi> Daviey: Yeah, but it is completely empty on anything else than unpacking and installing packages
[19:46] <ersi> ah, hm.
[19:46] <ersi> I was doing a fresh install, so no wonder then
[19:47] <Daviey> ersi: You are quite correct, that log is useless
[19:47] <Daviey> ersi: Looking at the description "error writing to '<standard output>': No such file or directory"
[19:48] <ersi> Yeah, it's an odd one - Just took one at random ;)
[19:48] <Daviey> I suspect there is a config file involved, where <standard input> is entered rather than a log locaton
[19:48] <ersi> Only thing I've managed to conclude is that there's pretty much no technical information included from apport
[19:48] <ersi> so was thinking about things to ask (nicely) in a comment
[19:48] <Daviey> ersi: I would suggest the bug reporter greps /etc/ for "standard input" and returns the output
[19:49] <Daviey> to the bug report, throw the bug into incomplete and await a response.
[19:50] <ersi> Well, I can't change the status/importance ;p But I'll add a comment
[19:50] <Daviey> ersi: Comment on the bug report of your suggestion for what state / importance it should be... it can be something you can reference back to when you want to apply for bugcontrol.
[19:51] <ersi> Great idea
[19:51] <Daviey> ersi: give me a ping when you have done that, i set the status.
[19:51] <Daviey> i'll*
[19:51] <ersi> Daviey: Sure thing
[19:53] <neuronotic> hi. I've setup postfix/dovecot on natty - seems ok to send mail out, but when doing a telnet localhost 25 check to send a mail locally, i'm getting this error msg: "Fatal: open(/etc/dovecot/conf.d/01-mail-stack-delivery.conf) failed: No such file or directory )" .  My dovecot.conf has !include_try /etc/dovecot/conf.d/*.conf in it so I'm a bit confused as to how to diagnose.
[19:58] <guntbert> neuronotic: without any idea I'd start by looking into the server logs, does that 01-mail-.... file exist? is it readable by postfix?
[19:58] <ersi> Daviey: Oh, I was able to set the Status. :-)
[20:00] <neuronotic> @guntbert: doesn't exist. the folder does, but file doesn't. I tried installing dovecot-common on a different machine to double check i hadn't done something awry on that count, and the folders are empty too (using aptitude to install). this is about the closest i've come to finding something related https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/dovecot/+bug/671065   but don't really see how it fits with me.
[20:00] <uvirtbot`> Launchpad bug 671065 in dovecot "deliver broken because dovecot.conf uses !include_try" [Medium,Incomplete]
[20:00] <neuronotic> * by 'see' i mean understand
[20:01] <Daviey> ersi: What importance should it be set to?
[20:01] <neuronotic> (sorry i'm fairly fresh ...was trying to setup a mailman server :))
[20:02] <ersi> Daviey: Hm, I'm unsure if it's of Low or Medium importance
[20:02] <ersi> Daviey: But since it's kind of a 'special case', I'm betting Low
[20:03] <Daviey> ersi: exactly!
[20:03] <Daviey> If it turns out that the user hasn't done anything odd, then it could probably be a Medium
[20:03] <Daviey> (i'm fairly certain it's a local issue, meaning it's pretty LOW)
[20:03] <guntbert> neuronotic: I haven't worked with postfix for some time now - hey you are talking about dovecot now?? right you said it before too. guess I am confused....
[20:04] <Daviey> If our guess is correct, then the issue is really invalid.
[20:04] <neuronotic> er ok, on 2nd reading of that launchpad link, i checked my postfix main.comf  and i have this line "mailbox_command = /usr/lib/dovecot/deliver -c /etc/dovecot/conf.d/01-mail-stack-delivery.conf -n -m "${EXTENSION}"" which i assume is related?
[20:04] <Daviey> ersi: (although some should argue that we should handle the error better)
[20:06] <ersi> Daviey: In apt?
[20:06] <Daviey> ersi: It's a distro wide issue, so possibly in apt and the packages.. but not something we can address in short term.
[20:07] <ersi> Ah, of course
[20:07] <Daviey> ersi: Try not to spend too much time on triaging a bug, we want to try and progress as many as possible in limited time.
[20:08] <ersi> Daviey: I added an "Importance recommendation" to the bug
[20:08] <ersi> yeah, of course
[20:08] <ersi> I'm just taking my sweet time, so that I learn and handle commenting well :)
[20:08] <Daviey> ersi: hah, 30 seconds before you i set the importance with a comment ;)
[20:09] <ersi> Daviey: Haha :)
[20:09] <Daviey> ersi: One of the reasons we split the process into different stages is try and help get the major issues resolved faster.
[20:09] <Daviey> Ie, just learn enough about the bug to set the importance, and move on.
[20:09] <Daviey> Then, later revist based on the importiant ones first.
[20:09] <ersi> Yeah, that's wise :)
[20:10] <ersi> It's quite interesting, since it's so different in my work environment
[20:10] <ersi> A lot smaller eco system, and I can prod all of the developers which have poked and constructed each software
[20:10] <neuronotic> guntbert: postfix & dovecot. any recommendations?
[20:10] <Daviey> ersi: hah
[20:11] <ersi> Daviey: Dreamy, eh? ;)
[20:11] <ersi> Also, I don't need to set/focus on Importance. The PM's come and make that clear :D
[20:11] <Psi-Jack> Curious, anyone here have any experience with EMC SAN over FC, and PowerVault's? I'm trying to do research into performance differences between the the options for a 3-server database cluster, which will be running Ubuntu 10.04 LTS server.
[20:12] <guntbert> neuronotic: try to find out where that line comes from (I have no such system at my hands...)
[20:13] <neuronotic> guntbert: comes from as in how it got there? I installed (via apt) dovecot-postfix
[20:14] <Daviey> ersi: Being one of Ubuntu-Server is the biggest dream anyone could ever hope for.
[20:14] <Daviey> (note, it's an open team.)
[20:18] <soren> Daviey: Is it?
[20:18] <soren> Daviey: There are still 65 "proposed members" :)
[20:18] <guntbert> neuronotic: that surprises me, I just checked (I have both installed but nut conffigured/running), there is no such line in main.cf here
[20:19] <Daviey> soren: it flipped back to open, and those are members from when the team was restricted
[20:19] <Daviey> or rather, wedged in the proposed state
[20:20] <neuronotic> guntbert: hrmm just commented it out and restarted, might work now...doh.
[20:20] <neuronotic> *does work now...
[20:20] <Daviey> soren: I'm not sure open team is the correct approach TBH, i think too many people joined to get a badge.
[20:20] <neuronotic> guntbert: *thanks* for the handholding ;)
[20:21] <Daviey> soren: Rather than following, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/Membership :)
[20:21] <guntbert> neuronotic: glad it worked :), but still something seems weird with that line
[20:21] <josePhoenix> Hmmm... now why doesn't my logrotate script work
[20:21] <soren> Daviey: what the... I'm not a member anymore.
[20:21] <soren> Daviey: I must have expired.
[20:21] <josePhoenix> I'm trying with logrotate -df to force it to run, and it says it's moving the files.. but it doesn't
[20:22] <soren> Either that or I'm too cool to be in ~ubuntu-server.
[20:22] <josePhoenix> Ah whoops xD
[20:22] <neuronotic> guntbert: how so?
[20:22] <josePhoenix> -d is pretend...
[20:22] <Daviey> soren: Yeah, i thought you hated us or something :)
[20:23] <guntbert> neuronotic: because the software management system is supposed to prevent such errors....
[20:23] <Daviey> soren: You should consider joining ~ubuntu-server-dev :) .. you'll get upload access for the ubuntu-server seed :)
[20:23] <Daviey> or packageset,rather
[20:24] <RoAkSoAx> Daviey: this reminds me, Have you taken care of not removing powernap from main?
[20:24] <Daviey> RoAkSoAx: i have not.
[20:25] <soren> RoAkSoAx: Why does it need to be in main?
[20:25] <RoAkSoAx> Daviey: isw that something you'll take care of (by making sure it stays in the cd?)
[20:25] <Daviey> stand clear, jhunt is here.
[20:25] <Daviey> RoAkSoAx: Can it be a depends of something?
[20:25] <soren> Daviey: Shiny!
[20:25] <RoAkSoAx> soren: i don't see the point of demoting powernap when it might as well get promoted next cycle for orchestra
[20:25] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: ^^
[20:25] <Daviey> soren: It's something that has been gaining popularity, and i suspect will be wanted in openstack next cycle.
[20:26] <soren> RoAkSoAx: I'm not saying it should be demoted.
[20:26] <Daviey> Seems pointless to demote it for one cycle.
[20:26] <neuronotic> guntbert: just tried intsalling the package on another machine, during install has this line "Configuring postfix for mail-stack-delivery integration: ........."  and the main.cf has that line (the one i removed)
[20:26] <RoAkSoAx> soren: I understand I'm just pointing out what Daviey just said :)
[20:26] <soren> RoAkSoAx: I'm just trying to uncover whether it really ought to be a dependency of something.
[20:26] <RoAkSoAx> soren: yes for next cycle should be a dependency for orchestra
[20:27] <Daviey> RoAkSoAx / soren:I suspect it'll be a depends of nova-compute aswell?
[20:27] <RoAkSoAx> Daviey: if the messaging parts gets implemented using rabbitmq I guess
[20:28] <guntbert> neuronotic: strange, but as I said I haven't worked with it for some time now and things may have changed
[20:28] <RoAkSoAx> I don't know what's the side from openstack yet
[20:28] <soren> Yay! Launchpad kept my original "member since" date for ~ubuntu-server.
[20:29] <ersi> Daviey: Would you set bug #829944 to Importance: Low? It does have an easy work around (either removing the pidfile yourself, or stopping it in another way)
[20:29] <uvirtbot`> Launchpad bug 829944 in clamav "stopping freshclam doesn't remove pidfile" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/829944
[20:29] <Daviey> soren: would you be upset if i ejected you? :)
[20:30] <soren> Hardly. :)
[20:30] <neuronotic> now I can send emails out and locally, but cannot send emails from external -> locally.   This is in the log: NOQUEUE: reject: RCPT from mail-gw0-f42.google.com[74.125.83.42]: 554 5.7.1 <fmaster@MYDOMAIN>: Relay access denied; from=<an_address@gmail.com>
[20:30] <soren> Does that spoil the fun?
[20:30] <Daviey> ersi: done, you might want to add a quick comment with suggested next step
[20:30]  * RoAkSoAx goes get lunch
[20:30] <Daviey> ersi: Often, it's good to add a rational why the importance / status.
[20:30] <ersi> Daviey: Oh, I meant more "Do you agree?" - but I guess you do :)
[20:31] <Daviey> ersi: O, sorry - i jumped the gun - yes, i agree.
[20:31] <ersi> Daviey: "Suggested next step"? As in from the reporters side?
[20:31] <Daviey> ersi: On the lifecycle of the bug / or the reporter.
[20:32] <Daviey> ersi: I agree about confirming it, as i have good confidence that the bug report is of a suitable quality that it is correct.
[20:33] <Daviey> Ideally, we'd reproduce everything before confirming.. but it doesn't always make sense to do so.
[20:33] <ersi> Daviey: I was able to reproduce this perticular one :-)
[20:33] <Daviey> ersi: Ah, nice one :)
[20:35] <ersi> Daviey: Is there anything else I should do with this one? (Beside post my comment which I'm almost done with?)
[20:35] <ersi> comment = was able to reproduce, recommending Low
[20:36] <Daviey> ersi: It's probable that this bug is also in Debian, so you could forward the bug there aswell.. But i wouldn't at this stage.
[20:37] <ersi> Daviey: So besides commenting, no further actions?
[20:37] <Daviey> ersi: For simple bugs like this, i don't tend to forward the bug to Debian unless i am including a patch
[20:37] <ersi> I guess it is kind of a straight forward bug :)
[20:37] <Daviey> ersi: Yup!
[20:37] <ersi> Neat-o.
[20:37] <Daviey> ersi: Ofc' if you want to dig deeper, like find where the issue is and propose a patch.. then that would be the next step.
[20:38] <ersi> Daviey: Ah, yes. Of course :)
[20:38] <Daviey> ersi: But if you are comfortable doing triage, that is greatly wanted!
[20:38] <ersi> Daviey: And if I'd start digging, would I assign it to myself? Even though I'm maybe not confident in solving the issue?
[20:40] <Daviey> ersi: I think you'd be able to solve this :)
[20:41] <ersi> Oh, I mean just generally - if I'd start prodding solutions to a bug
[20:42] <Daviey> ersi: Yeah, that is the normal workflow.. if you are not comfortable you will be able to work on it, you can always start prodding without assigning yourself.
[20:43] <Daviey> (note, that this issue - i'd tend to suggest the patch is pushed back to Debian first and then sync'd back down)
[20:43] <Daviey> ScottK tends to merge that package, and i'm sure he doesn't want to increase the delta with Debian :)
[20:43]  * ScottK looks up.
[20:45] <ScottK> ersi: If you've got a proposed patch I'd like to get it reviewed by Debian.  Even if we apply it first, I want to make sure it's acceptable there so we aren't increasing the diff we maintain in the long run (also if they won't accept it, it's probably for a good reason).
[20:45] <ScottK> Let me know if you come up with something.
[20:46] <ersi> ScottK: Sounds very sane! Sure thing :-)
[20:46] <ScottK> Daviey: Thanks for the heads up.
[20:47] <ersi> So, if I'm able to make a patch (in this case) - I'd rather find the bug/issue in Debians Bugzilla (Or file one) - and suggest a patch there first
[20:47] <ersi> and link the issues together
[20:48] <Daviey> ersi: Yup!  Infact, submittodebian makes this quite easy if you prepare a ubuntu package first.. even if not actually uploading it
[20:49] <Daviey> (you'll need to fix the text content to remove "this has been applied in Ubuntu")
[20:50] <ersi> Daviey: If I have a patch? Or in any way, to submit to Deb Bugzilla?
[20:52] <ersi> Hm, I bet this is related to the initscripts
[20:53] <ScottK> I'm sure it is.
[20:54] <Daviey> ersi: Yeah, if you patch the ubuntu package as if you were going to ask for it to be uploaded, submittodebian well help you forward the patch.
[20:54] <ersi> Hm, I know 'killproc' is from some 'common shellscript file' in /etc.. wonder where
[20:54] <RoyK> - Well, boys, I reckon this is it - nuclear combat toe to toe with the Roosskies.
[20:55] <lenios_> ersi, locate killproc
[20:56] <RoyK> ersi: iirc killproc is a solaris thing, try killall
[20:56] <ersi> RoyK: Mmh, this is in a initscript. I'm sure it's an "internal"/"local" bash script function included from somewhere
[20:56] <lenios_> there is a /etc/init.d/killprocs
[20:56] <RoyK> ersi: oh ic
[20:56] <ersi> Yeah, but it doesn't seem like The One :o
[20:57] <ersi> afaik there should be some 'common init.d-functions' somewhere :)
[20:57] <ersi> I'm digging ;)
[20:57]  * RoyK once did a kill <somepid> -1 on a SysV box and can't recommend it
[20:58] <ersi> /etc/init.d/rc :)
[20:58] <RoyK> AFAIK GNU kill will treat that as kill -1 <somepid>, SysV kill didn't - it took -1 as a new argument for "all processes"
[20:59] <ersi> Hehe, I've ran 'killall' on a Solaris box once
[20:59] <RoyK> hehe
[20:59] <RoyK> same thing :)
[20:59] <lenios_> since i'm here, i've packaged v2.0 of an ubuntu package available only as 1.1 in all ubuntu distributions, i've found out debian has it packaged 2.0 on wheezy. Any idea how to get the v2 in official repositories?
[21:00] <ersi> Hehe, if I'm not mistaken.. freeze was recently :o
[21:00] <RoyK> lenios_: post a patch and wait for the next major release
[21:00] <RoyK> perhaps they'll add it, possibly not
[21:01] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #831628 in squid (main) "squid upstart script doesn't check for filesystems" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/831628
[21:03] <RoyK> lenios_: you should read up about creating a private repository - new stuff like that won't get into the official repos in a flash
[21:03] <lenios_> i've added it to my ppa
[21:05] <lenios_> you can't find my package when searching in ppas though, no idea why
[21:08] <Sebo> Hi, Could you tell me how can I set up Ubuntu to serv the shell through /dev/ttyS1
[21:09] <soren> Sebo: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SerialConsoleHowto
[21:11] <ersi> Currently checking out bug #831493. It seems that the configuration triggers can't parse the current users configuration file. Would anyone else like to set this to "Importance: Low"?
[21:11] <uvirtbot`> Launchpad bug 831493 in postfix "package postfix 2.8.2-1ubuntu2.1 failed to install/upgrade: subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 75" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/831493
[21:16] <Daviey> utlemming / smoser: not urgent right now, but can you two work out how to get the arm images into the main page on cloud-images.ubuntu.com... and look at rebasing the theme, taken from cdimage.ubuntu.com?
[21:17] <Daviey> Don't burn time on it this week, tho.
[21:17] <ersi> I left a comment at above bug by the way.
[21:17] <utlemming> Daviey: I have an idea of how to get that fixed, I just need to hash it out with Scott first
[21:18] <Daviey> ersi: top stuff!
[21:18] <Daviey> utlemming: cool :)
[21:19] <ersi> Well, I guess that's three triaged bugs on my first day. I'll think I'll call it a day :-)
[21:19] <Daviey> ersi: most appreciated :)
[21:20] <ersi> No sweat :)
[21:20] <ersi> Nighty, and see ya later for more \o
[21:20] <Daviey> ersi: You know you are a pro, when you can do 20 in an hour :)
[21:20] <Daviey> ersi: See you soon, o/
[21:21] <RoyK> in solaris, there's a /etc/drivers_aliases that holds pci card,vendor addresses - is such a thing possible in linux?
[21:21] <Sebo> soren: thx, I had some wrong noumber after getty :P now it works :)
[21:21] <RoyK> s/drivers_/driver_/
[21:23] <Daviey> ersi: If you want to continue doing triage, i would speak to hggdh_ about gaining more experience and getting into bugcontrol.
[21:26] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: powernap PPA for lucid and maverick are the only affected ones right?
[21:39] <hggdh_> and I will answer ;-)
[21:48] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: https://launchpad.net/~powernap/+archive/ppa/+packages
[21:48] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: hard also broken too, but I don't care too much about Hardy
[21:49] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: ok it's just control and rules that have changed, will upload in a bit
[21:49] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: whoop
[21:55] <zul> wheee libvirt works on pandaboard...nova on arm here i come
[22:30] <Sebo> How can I set up ubuntu to run some other program at tty4. For instance I'd like to run 'ssh somehost' there insted the default login?
[22:33] <Sebo> anyone here?
[22:54] <Psi-Jack> Sebo: Erm..
[22:54] <Psi-Jack> Why would you want to run ssh in a dedicated tty console?
[23:38] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: fixes uploaded to PPA should build in a couple hours