[00:33] *sigh* it's deja-vu all over again [00:33] W: Failed to fetch file:/srv/cdimage.ubuntu.com/ftp-universe/dists/oneiric/main/binary-amd64/Packages.bz2 Hash Sum mismatch [00:33] no ISO's this weekend :( [00:34] ScottL: what's that error all about? [00:34] astraljava, i'm going to make a few changes myself to the seeds, hopefully tonight, rather than suffer you with it [00:34] falktx_, apparently its the syncing of packages [00:35] my (bad) understanding that packages are being updated but not synced fast enough and we end up with hash sum mismatches [00:35] cjwatson said that when they get new hardware this shouldn't be a probelm [00:36] damn [00:36] i am positing that the changes are happening faster than the current hardware can sync given the comments i've heard (including one of yours) [00:37] I have no idea whatsoever about how these things work :( [00:37] perhaps during a less busy cycle this would not be as bad as they appear [00:37] ScottL: I think the feature freeze is in now, right? [00:51] !calender [00:51] !calendar [00:51] calendar is at http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event [00:51] lol [00:52] forget that one [00:52] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OneiricReleaseSchedule [00:52] ubottu is a dork [00:52] holstein: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :) [00:53] oh... dont you worry ;) [00:53] LOL [00:53] i wish i remembered how to set it to recognize calendar correctly [02:19] haha [02:21] ScottL: i think the ubuntu feature freeze is now in place, so there should not be too many package updates now [02:21] it's the right time for US fixing I guess [02:21] ScottL: btw, what to do with all the artwork in the wiki? [02:24] which artwork do you mean? [02:24] falktx_, ^^^ [02:25] ScottL: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/Artwork/ [02:25] there is some pretty cool stuff in there [02:25] to be honest and direct, probably nothing right now [02:26] cory isn't active and no one else really knows about packaging artwork at this point [02:26] unless you want to help [02:26] I wish I could put some use to that artwork... [02:26] you can [02:26] also considering that we can't get an image to test i'm not sure where we will stand [02:26] ScottL: can we just add new wallpapers? [02:26] falktx_, i would say that we could [02:27] i would prefer something not so busy as we have had since hardy [02:28] falktx_, my favorite (but it's not *quite* exactly what i want) is the first on one the oneiric link [02:28] has US changed his logo to the new font? [02:28] yes [02:28] look at the bottom of the oneiric link [02:28] ScottL: this one - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/Artwork/OfficialOneiric?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=ubuntustudio_v3_logo.svg [02:29] ? [02:32] I guess yes [02:33] ScottL: have you considered changing the theme? [02:33] afaik, gtk3 apps will be a problem [02:33] * falktx_ hopes qtcurve gets gtk3 support soon [02:38] falktx_, yes, i believe that is the one we are going to use [02:38] * ScottL is sorry to be in and out of the conversation, but is at home by himself with the kids [02:39] * ScottL also likes to talk about himself in the third person ;) [02:39] falktx_, i would like to change the theme...very badly, but again, i don't know how at this time and don't have time to learn how [02:41] sorry my network stopped [02:41] stopped after 'ScottL: have you considered changing the theme?' [02:42] falktx_, yes, i believe that is the one we are going to use [02:42] * ScottL is sorry to be in and out of the conversation, but is at home by himself with the kids [02:42] * ScottL also likes to talk about himself in the third person ;) [02:42] falktx_, i would like to change the theme...very badly, but again, i don't know how at this time and don't have time to learn how [02:42] * falktx_ has quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) [02:42] that's what i said :) [02:45] ScottL: I guess the focus now is to get a working image, all the rest comes afterwards [02:46] my work for the PPAs will really help US this time, I have some cool plans... [02:49] I'm just sad I don't know how the US processing really works [03:14] falktx, i have been told that it wasn't quite the lethargic in the past [03:14] apparently it was very robust during the beginning [11:52] *sigh* no image built today :( [13:39] we dont need one ;) [13:40] "we've already got one... its very nice" [14:04] holstein: who said that» [14:04] ? [14:07] falktx: i was trying something from monty python [14:07] "we seek the grail" [14:07] "we've already got one... its very nice!" [14:07] ok [14:07] falktx: we do need an image :/ [14:08] well, at some point we doo [15:00] hahah, just saw this :) [15:22] Hey folks, sorry I've been AFK (well not really, but from hobbies.) Gimme another hour, and I'll start hacking. [17:10] Almost two hours, but what the heck. Sat down now. [17:12] No disks for two days, damn. [17:13] Xubuntu, on the other hand, does have an alternate for today. [17:16] But I didn't see a healthy check for neither yesterday nor today. Damn. [18:10] i'm feeling frustrated [18:23] scott-work, You need to de-frust [18:26] So, it's not a direct dependency that's pulling gnome-session in, that apparently pulls unity in. [18:29] ailo: lol [18:29] like, i should be 'grunted' rather that disgrunted? ;) [18:29] Damn, network-manager-gnome pulls in libgtk-3-0 [18:37] astraljava: I think gtk3 is ok [18:37] * falktx updates to check out this issue [18:37] btw, I'm running oneiric now, so I can dig this too [18:38] charlie-tca: what does xubuntu use for network manager? [18:38] falktx: that would be very helpful :) [18:38] astraljava: if netowrk-manager causes problems maybe we use whatever charlie-tca is using for xubuntu [18:39] network-manager [18:39] It mostly works. What about wicd? [18:40] charlie-tca: xfce uses gnome network-manager? [18:41] yup [18:41] I show 'network-manager' and 'network-manager-gnome' [18:41] I guess wicd would be an option here [18:42] I think Xfce recommends them too [18:44] * astraljava grumbles [18:45] IT's all alacarte's fault. [18:45] scott-work: unity is probably pushed by a recommends, not a real dependency [18:45] It brings in gnome-panel, which brings in gnome-session, which brings in unity. [18:45] ah, astraljava, right [18:45] * astraljava grumbles again [18:46] i'm not even sure what alacarte is used for [18:46] ah, menu editing [18:46] maybe we pull alacarte for now and see if we can work a solution [18:46] Yeah I'm definitely taking it off. [18:47] hm, nm-gnome does not push gnome-panel [18:47] But I'm gonna read up on germinate output for other unneeded stuff, the .iso is HUUUUUUUGE [18:47] scott-work: alacarte doesn't seem to be the problem either [18:47] * falktx installs US metas [18:47] Yeah, I suppose network manager is alright, xubuntu seems to have it too. [18:48] falktx: I just checked from germinate output. [18:48] You have to pull alacarte with a --no-recommends to not get most of gnome with it [18:48] charlie-tca: Is that what you're doing? [18:48] We don't install alacarte by default [18:48] Okay, then I seem to have left it by accident. [18:49] germinate seems to take recommends to the images nowadays. [18:49] astraljava: it is the default since karmic [18:49] We just tell the users: [18:49] For Xfce 4.8, 'sudo apt-get install alacarte --no-install-recommends' in a terminal will let you use an editor to change the menus. [18:50] charlie-tca: so the problem is "gnome-menus" pushed by alacarte [18:50] * falktx is still installing the metas [18:50] right [18:50] and debian won't change that, either [18:50] Judging from: gnome-panel | gnome-panel | alacarte (Recommends) [18:50] It is considered a "gnome-menu" editor [18:50] which since we are ubuntu xfce we don't really need ;) [18:51] but how xfce does this then? [18:51] Ex-friggin'-actly. [18:51] it has alacarte in there [18:51] They are just a desktop environment, so they don't have to worry about throwing things together to fit the users needs so much. [18:51] oh, I see lighdm being pushed, is that what US will use? [18:52] falktx: Yep. [18:52] We just don't have a theme for that, yet. *grin* [18:52] charlie-tca: yes, but using alacarte should push unity, or am I missing something? [18:52] hm, I can hack a theme [18:52] no, it will push gnome3 instead, I think [18:52] falktx: That's what I just tried to explain. [18:52] astraljava: but are you sure it's alacarte? [18:52] alacarte -> gnome-panel -> gnome-session -> unity [18:52] other packages could be pushing gnome3 too [18:53] I see a lot of stuff that we don't need in the metas... :( [18:53] Yeah, that's why I'm combing the germinate logs to make sure it doesn't happen from any other direction. [18:54] astraljava: gnome-bluetooth should be removed [18:54] scott-work: Agree? [18:57] hm, he's probably busy [18:57] falktx: astraljava : agreed [18:58] i had that on a far range culling of the seeds [19:00] Okay, taken. [19:01] But that was already taken. So something else pulls it in. [19:01] hm, ubuntustudio-recording depends on audacious, why? [19:01] Xubuntu-dev meeting, bbl. [19:07] Ha. Looks like we're going by the default lightdm greeter theme. [19:07] UI freeze this Thursday. [19:07] * astraljava is so sorry [19:08] thursday? [19:08] The day that comes after Wednesday. [19:08] *grin* [19:08] beh, still enough time! [19:08] astraljava: which is the default US wallpaper right now? [19:09] If you're an excellent artist, knowing how that works, then by all means, have at it, please. :) [19:09] falktx_: I'm not knowledgeable about the artwork at all. [19:09] hm, there's a qt greeter in there... [19:10] scott-work: ? [19:11] hm, I need some starting theme [19:11] falktx_: i'm not sure i understand your question [19:12] are you asking if a qt greeter can be removed? [19:12] lightdm-gtk-greeter is working now, and looks not too bad [19:13] scott-work: I'm asking what is the current default wallpaper [19:14] falktx_: it's the same as we had for natty right now [19:14] astraljava: falktx_ : do either one of you know if we have lightdm in the image right now? [19:15] scott-work: it's pushed by *-desktop [19:15] astraljava: creating a lightdm theme seems easy [19:15] not sure how to change themes though [19:16] falktx_: you could see what xubuntu is doing, i'm okay with leaving default for now though [19:16] falktx_: We'd need to nail the configuration in (probably) less than three days, too, so.. [19:16] falktx_: but thank you for knowing that and telling me :) [19:16] scott-work: Thanks! :) [19:17] I'm using the mythbuntu lightdm theme as base, seems easy [19:17] scott-work: astraljava: default US font? [19:18] falktx_: madnick over on #xubuntu-dev has worked on it for quite some while, to get it look cool. I'm not sure we can do that in a few days, but if we can, then yeah, let's get it on. It's not like it'll cost us anything. [19:18] astraljava: I'm sure I can do this in a matter of minutes now [19:18] I just need to know the details [19:18] scott-work: astraljava: should guest logins be enabled? [19:18] falktx_: i think default us font is fine....wait, you mean the old font or the new font? [19:19] scott-work: new font, the default on desktop [19:19] falktx_: No, none at all. That's a huge pain in the 4$$. [19:19] falktx_: astraljava: i don't think guest shoudl be enabled myself [19:19] scott-work: Whole-heartedly concur. [19:19] i should say that i think all this hacking is cool :) sadly i'm not directly participating :( [19:20] i still want to update the language packs tonight [19:20] damn, I can't remember the default wallpaper [19:20] scott-work: Oh but you are, by voicing opinions (which we interpret as orders) :D [19:20] is it the mixing table photo? [19:21] falktx_: is the weird six sided extruded polygons...i'll see if i can find a pictures on google [19:21] http://screenshots.debian.net/thumbnail-with-version//ubuntustudio-wallpapers/0.40 [19:21] it's small but that's it [19:21] scott-work: thanks [19:21] http://www.linoob.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/Ubuntu-Studio-Gnome-Desktop-1024x576.png [19:21] bigger one [19:21] it's ok [19:22] scott-work: but the default font? [19:22] i would actually prefer a very simple, uncluttered desktop [19:23] the ones we have used are pretty but not very functional IMO [19:23] !artwork [19:23] Find your themes at: http://www.gnome-look.org - http://art.gnome.org - http://www.kde-look.org - http://kubuntu-art.org - http://themes.freshmeat.net/browse/58/ - http://www.guistyles.com - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/ - Also see !changethemes and https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuEyeCandy [19:23] bah [19:23] i like the first image on this page: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/Artwork/OfficialOneiric [19:24] move the logo to the bottom right out of the way and maybe fade it a bit and that would be better IMO [19:24] that is NOT an order, just an opinion [19:27] Heh, one other thing. Do we have a plymouth theme? I guess we do, as plymouth was already used in natty, right? [19:29] astraljava: yes [19:29] *phew* [19:29] * astraljava has totally dropped the ball [19:29] *frown* [19:30] ach, webchat froze right after i said to please disagree :/ [19:30] astraljava: US is not in such bad state! [19:30] i thought hte channel had gone strangely quiet ;) [19:30] scott-work: :D [19:30] scott-work: Sounds good to me. [19:30] But I'm not really graphical person. [19:30] ok, ready to test! [19:31] even if it is in a bad state, i think we have a much clearer path to make it better since we identified an audience we want to address [19:31] time to test the lightdm theme! [19:32] cool :) [19:33] charlie-tca> UI freeze is at August 25, 2011 at 21:00 UTC [19:33] So, yeah. Three full days. [19:35] Ahh... sorry, two full days. "Last minute updates should be done 1 full day earlier" [19:35] astraljava: i caution everyone again, given our currest status and that we serve a niche audience, we probably have some latitude [19:36] that is not meant to imply we should do nothing until after the UI freeze, mind you ;) [19:37] Sure, sure. :) [19:40] damn it, [19:40] it's not picking up the us theme [19:40] nor any other theme at all [19:40] I have no idea how lightdm works :( [19:44] sorry, bad network [19:44] falktx: does the default theme work? [19:44] I was saying [19:45] the theme installs, but I can't get lightdm to change themes [19:45] I have no idea how lightdm works, but there's no proper docs out there too :( [19:45] falktx_: I'll try to have the xubuntu guys here soon, hopefully even after the meeting. Stay put, if you can. [19:45] how do I change the lightdm theme? [19:45] ok [19:48] * falktx_ asks in #ubuntu-devel [19:52] damn, how is that such simple thing is not documented? [19:55] finally! [19:55] did it work or did someone tell you how to do it? [19:56] scott-work: I got it working [19:56] sweet :) [19:58] it's all changed so much so fast, the docs are way behind [19:58] haha [19:58] http://kxstudio.sourceforge.net/tmp/scr023.png [19:58] scott-work: astraljava: charlie-tca ^ [19:59] falktx_: you continually amaze me :) [19:59] AAAAWWWWEEEESSSSOOOOMMMMMEEEE!! [19:59] scott-work: it seems to be using gtk3, so the theme doesn't catch up? [19:59] Now to package it, then file a FFe. [20:00] we'll still need a way to set the default greeter method to gtk [20:00] ubuntu sets it to unity [20:00] Yeah, true. [20:01] i have code to set GDM to gnome 'classic', i wonder if that will still work [20:01] might also look at the xubuntu code as well (that's where i stole it from) [20:03] w00t! looking good [20:04] packaging here - kxstudio.sourceforge.net/tmp/ubuntustudio-lightdm-theme_0.1.tar.gz [20:04] oops [20:04] http://kxstudio.sourceforge.net/tmp/ubuntustudio-lightdm-theme_0.1.tar.gz [20:04] astraljava: it's almost ready (YES!), just tweak where needed [20:05] scott-work: please take a note of this: [20:05] falktx_: Excellent! Well done! [20:05] we need to change a value in this file - /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf [20:05] greeter-session=lightdm-gtk-greeter [20:05] and it will work [20:06] astraljava: thanks, I'm just trying to help ;) [20:06] falktx_: do we need to add the /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf to the ubuntustudio-default-settings package? [20:06] falktx_: Not necessarily, there's a way for derivatives to do this without touching the original. [20:06] don't ask me how it's done [20:07] But hopefully we have the xubuntu guys explain it how it's done. [20:07] astraljava: the package comes from mythbuntu-light-theme, so I assume it works fine [20:07] Oh okay, cool. [20:11] falktx_: Can you push that to LP as a code tree? You're currently in studio~dev, right? [20:12] astraljava: I prefer to leave that to you [20:12] I have plenty of stuff to do now [20:12] falktx_: Sure, that's fine. [20:12] I'm happy I contributed something [20:12] * astraljava is happy too :) [20:12] astraljava: you probably know it better than me [20:13] I bet you've done a lot more packages then me. :) [20:13] astraljava: my work is more about backports and re-using/fixing stuff, not much as creating packages from scratch [20:14] Sure, sure. [20:14] heck, I don't agree with the debian rules at all... [20:14] falktx_: The meeting is about to end. Do we need the guys here now? [20:14] too many stuff, gets complicated [20:14] Yeah, but it does have advantages, ultimately. [20:14] astraljava: maybe to know how to set gtk greeter as default [20:15] Okay, I'll ask if they have time. [20:20] falktx_: Are you in a hurry? madnick needs to take care of something, before he wishes to join here. But can come briefly, if it's really urgent. [20:21] astraljava: no prob [20:22] Cool, thanks! [20:22] I can watch another episode of leverage [20:22] hehe [20:22] Hehe, coolness. :D [20:31] ah falktx left, i was going to tell him i am happy he is contributing to this too [20:44] He should be around soon enough. [20:58] falktx: madnick: Hey there, so how about that lightdm, then? [20:59] Do we need to change a value in file /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf? [20:59] afaik, we need to change the greeter engine from [default] unity to gtk [20:59] IIRC, xubuntu had some tweak for that, so that derivates don't need to patch/update that file directly. [21:00] Yes [21:00] You change the seat-defaults [21:02] * astraljava hasn't yet had time to read the backscroll when this was discussed over on #xubuntu-devel [21:04] falktx: Does that mean anything to you? [21:06] Well, I am not sure what you guys are wondering :) But http://people.ubuntu.com/~robert-ancell/lightdm/reference/ and the gtk-example-greeter provides alot of insight into greeter development :) [21:06] http://www.madnick.se/~madnick/xubuntu/xubuntu-greeter-draft8.png [21:06] What I've done, is integerated a html renderer, in it, to render the UI [21:07] Oh cool. [21:07] sorry, my network is having issues [21:08] madnick: i think the goal is to make sure that the lightdm session is set to xubuntu directly after the initial installation for the default user [21:08] we did soemthing similar with GDM last cycle to use the 'gnome classic' session rather than unity [21:09] I have not looked into anything like that, Im just the code monkey :) you may want to ask mr_pouit, he has made that utility :) [21:12] Right, okay. :) [21:13] madnick: have you hear the jonathan coulton song "code monkey"? http://www.jonathancoulton.com/2006/04/14/thing-a-week-29-code-monkey/ [21:13] yes :) [21:13] Infact I never heard the expression before I heard that song :P [21:15] Well, hopefully we can now work on that issue with these instructions. Thanks, madnick, for sharing! [21:16] I don't wanna stress you more, seeing as you're swamped already. :) [21:16] But feel free to hang around. [21:16] There's good people in here. :) [22:45] astraljava, i'm am making changes to the 'ship' seed to adjust the language packs [22:46] i'm tired of the 400+ lines of "unknown ship package" from the build logs [22:46] see for reference: http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/cd-build-logs/ubuntustudio/oneiric/daily-20110527.log [22:47] lol, was looking for some notes and ran across this: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/Sandbox [22:47] i forgot how decent i made this part of the wiki look ;) [22:55] falktx_, okay, my notes to add ladish, gladish, and laditools [22:56] any objections, corrections, suggestions? [22:56] scott-upstairs: hm, gladish is enough [22:56] really? will it pull in the others? [22:56] gladish depends on ladish, and recommends laditools [22:56] yes [22:56] rightyo [22:56] scott-upstairs: "keep it simple" [22:57] hmm, how do you write that? righty-o [22:57] right-y-o [22:57] ? [22:57] don't know [22:57] don't ask me [22:57] I usually just say 'yep' [22:57] yep [22:57] i think it's righty-o [22:57] yep [22:57] sounds like hank hill from that cartoon show [22:58] oi, and that jack pulse bridge thiingie [22:58] pulseaudio-module-jack [22:58] pulseaudio....yeah, that one [22:59] the only problem i had with this is this.... [22:59] i got decent latency with onboard sound card [22:59] i got very good latency with delta44 [23:00] when i added the pa-jack module onboard was practically unusable via jack but delta44 remained pretty good [23:00] are we sure we want to add this? [23:01] falktx_, any plugins you recommend to be added? [23:01] scott-upstairs: adding that won't do anything [23:02] scott-upstairs: only when the user activates it via special commands, it will work [23:02] ah, okay...what's the command? i made it work before [23:02] for any other things, it won't affect jack at all [23:02] pactl ... whatever [23:02] I just use my pulse-jack script for this [23:07] i think i used instructions from david h. in an email [23:07] okay, done [23:08] pushing to bzr [23:08] * falktx_ is making launchpad slow with all his uploads [23:09] /names [23:09] sorry [23:09] lol [23:10] changes pushed, yay! time to celebrate with dinner [23:10] yep [23:10] time to eat something [23:10] adding stuff to the seeds is much more fun when others are around hacking together ;)