[14:47] <charlie-tca> Good morning
[14:54] <madnick> morning :)
[15:00] <GridCube> good morning
[15:35] <charlie-tca> I thought we uploaded the new xubuntu-lightdm but I am not seeing it on any tests here
[15:35] <madnick> the new lightdm theme?
[15:36] <charlie-tca> yes
[15:36] <madnick> Nope, we uploaded the new plymouth
[15:36] <mr_pouit> I only uploaded what I got (= plymouth theme :p)
[15:36] <charlie-tca> am I mistaken and we aren't using it yet?
[15:36] <charlie-tca> That explains a lot
[15:36] <charlie-tca> Glad I didn't file a bug for it, too.
[15:37] <madnick> I had problems with getting the greeter running on Oneiric, but it seems to work now, but its not yet 100% done
[15:37] <charlie-tca> Then it is just me, huh?
[15:38] <charlie-tca> I will stop looking to see why I broke it, too ;)
[15:40] <GridCube> bug 831370
[15:40] <charlie-tca> yes
[15:41] <charlie-tca> That hits every install, and sometimes when I run updates too
[15:41] <charlie-tca> There is an older bug for it, if I can find it
[15:42] <madnick> Btw, todays images drops from install to Desktop, but I think there was an install option on the desktop? :P
[15:43] <charlie-tca> There should be
[15:43] <knome> does somebody know if something has been done to the boot menu logo?
[15:44] <madnick> I mean, it was possible to install it from there
[15:44] <madnick> atleast it started
[15:44] <charlie-tca> knome: Nothing has been done yet.
[15:44] <charlie-tca> low priority
[15:44] <charlie-tca> How's the website looking?
[15:45] <knome> charlie-tca, imo the logo is highish priority, and it's really easy to do, so it would be a shame if we *still* didn't get the new logo in :(
[15:45] <knome> charlie-tca, the website looks fine. i think i need some time with pleia2 and we're done
[15:45] <charlie-tca> The logo is not high priority, it is a nice to get it done thing
[15:46] <GridCube> if i dont have a bluethoot device will the bluethoot config fail?
[15:46] <charlie-tca> GridCube: probably
[15:46] <knome> charlie-tca, from my point of view, it's one of the highest priority stuff. we already slacked off a few releases not changing it.
[15:46] <GridCube> scrot isnt installed by default
[15:47] <charlie-tca> Okay, mark it high priority for you only
[15:47] <charlie-tca> It is not a high priority item for Xubuntu.
[15:47] <knome> charlie-tca, i have, and that's why i'm asking about it again and again
[15:47] <charlie-tca> We have very high importance items to get done. The logo is almost in wishlist as far it goes
[15:48] <knome> charlie-tca, i understand. but don't blame me for asking.
[15:48] <charlie-tca> asking is fine, but pushing it as high is not so okay. It really is not high importance
[15:49] <charlie-tca> I need images that work, and a refreshed website. Those are important to get done
[15:50] <knome> in terms of getting the branding up-to-date, the logo is nearly as important as the website. just saying. no need to start arguing about it.
[15:50] <GridCube> http://imagebin.org/
[15:50] <GridCube> http://imagebin.org/169132
[15:50] <GridCube> XD
[15:51] <knome> GridCube, wow, the shot looks freaky with twho different terminal fonts/font sizes
[15:51] <knome> -h
[15:51] <GridCube> one is xterm and other is xfce4-terminal
[15:51] <charlie-tca> GridCube: why do you have gnome-control-center installed?
[15:51] <GridCube> its a fresh install
[15:52] <GridCube> its oneiric
[15:52] <charlie-tca> really?
[15:52] <GridCube> i havent done anything
[15:52] <GridCube> i just cliked the bluethoot thing
[15:52] <charlie-tca> mr_pouit: do we need that? 
[15:52] <charlie-tca> Bluetooth should fail if you don't have the capability, I think.
[15:53] <GridCube> yes i figured that much
[15:53] <charlie-tca> gnome-control-center should not be installed for Xubuntu, though
[15:53] <charlie-tca> run apt-cache policy gnome-control-center
[15:53] <GridCube> the warning message was the thing that bothered me
[15:53] <charlie-tca> see if it is installed
[15:54] <GridCube> http://imagebin.org/1691
[15:54] <GridCube> http://imagebin.org/169133
[15:55] <charlie-tca> Thus the reason for the error. report the warning/crash as a bug then. Make sure to add that about gnome-control-center, usually copy and paste the apt-cache policy stuff
[15:56] <charlie-tca> We should not get a crash from that
[15:57] <GridCube> >ubuntu-bug gnome-control-center
[15:57] <GridCube> ?
[15:57] <charlie-tca> yes, try that
[15:57] <charlie-tca> as to the oneconf bug, can you attach the /var/log/installer logs to it?
[15:58] <GridCube> sure
[15:58] <GridCube> D: there is no mousepad
[15:59] <madnick> leafpad
[15:59] <madnick> :)
[16:00] <charlie-tca> Not sure, but I think that is bug 828758
[16:08] <jarnos> I am offered partial upgrade, but I can not do even that: could not download the upgrades e.g. failed to fetch some python package from http://fi.archive.ubuntu.com/
[16:17] <jarnos> Well, maybe I try later.
[16:38] <GridCube> sorry /chores
[16:39] <GridCube> what part of /var/log/installer/ you want?
[16:39] <GridCube> all of it?
[16:51] <charlie-tca> at least syslog
[16:51] <charlie-tca> dmesg if it is there, too
[16:51] <charlie-tca> Hoping it will show why that oneconf is crashing
[17:19] <GridCube> appended all
[17:19] <GridCube> bug 831488
[17:21] <charlie-tca> looking
[17:26] <charlie-tca> Good
[17:26] <charlie-tca> Hm, apport is not attaching any logs to these bugs
[17:26] <charlie-tca> That is a problem
[17:26] <GridCube> mmm
[17:26] <GridCube> what do you need then?
[17:27] <GridCube> quadrapassel fails to launch
[17:27] <GridCube> buging it
[17:27] <charlie-tca> the game?
[17:27] <charlie-tca> again?
[17:27] <GridCube> yes
[17:27] <GridCube> yes
[17:27] <charlie-tca> or maybe still?
[17:28] <GridCube> probably
[17:28] <GridCube> so i dont bug it?
[17:28] <charlie-tca> ever did work last release
[17:28] <GridCube> im lauching everything to see if it works
[17:28] <GridCube> :P
[17:28] <charlie-tca> attach syslog and dmesg to the bugs
[17:28] <charlie-tca> find them in /var/log
[17:28] <GridCube> to all?
[17:29] <charlie-tca> yes, if it doesn't do it, you should. We have to have a log that shows why things fail
[17:31] <charlie-tca> quadrapassel might be regression according to bug 561734
[17:31] <charlie-tca> Try in terminal and see what happens. If it gives the same errors, it is a regression
[17:33] <Unit193> Quadrapassel = Gnome (Something) and hasn't worked since 6.10 for me really (since it had it's old name)
[17:34] <charlie-tca> One of those games I try each release... 
[17:35] <charlie-tca> oh, hell
[17:35] <charlie-tca> one of those gnome games broken by the gtk2 to gtk3 upgrades or gnome3 upgrades
[17:36] <GridCube> its the same
[17:36] <GridCube> glx stuff
[17:36] <charlie-tca> yup
[17:36] <GridCube> i report it again?
[17:36] <charlie-tca> falls under the same bug as solitare won't work
[17:36] <Unit193> Err... Not quadrapassel, Same Gnome
[17:36] <GridCube> or just click this happens to me again?
[17:36] <charlie-tca> click again
[17:37] <charlie-tca> No point in reporting another bug
[17:38] <charlie-tca> Lot of things are still broken by the upgrade; remains to be seen what will get fixed
[17:39] <GridCube> shimmer looks wrong
[17:39] <GridCube> i mean greybird
[17:41] <GridCube> see http://imagebin.org/169149
[17:42] <GridCube> the arrows are n ot the same, i think you are giving an old version of greybird
[17:45] <charlie-tca> Did ochosi give us the updated greybird?
[17:45]  * GridCube shrugs
[17:46] <charlie-tca> As far as I know, he never pushed it into updates
[17:46] <GridCube> oh, well 
[17:46] <GridCube> its not the same im using now, im using his latets :/
[17:53] <GridCube> there dmesg and syslog attached to both bugs 831488 and 831370
[17:53] <GridCube> :D
[17:55] <charlie-tca> Thank you
[17:55] <GridCube> the amount of udev errors at boot time is increasing
[17:57] <GridCube> users-admin doesnt work, but you knew that one already
[17:59] <charlie-tca> yup
[17:59] <GridCube> no report then?
[17:59] <charlie-tca> The aisleriot solitair should have failed too
[17:59] <charlie-tca> no report needed for users-admin
[17:59] <GridCube> there is no such thing
[18:00] <charlie-tca> good, then we removed it until it gets fixed
[18:07] <charlie-tca> !nicde
[18:07] <charlie-tca> !nice
[18:09] <GridCube> imagebin.org/169153
[18:09] <GridCube> :| i don't like ff6
[18:09] <Unit193> What factoid were you looking for?
[18:09] <Unit193> I've never used FF6 actually...
[18:09] <charlie-tca> yup
[18:09] <charlie-tca> same errors
[18:10] <GridCube> its mozilla chrome
[18:10] <charlie-tca> Apparently, some packages are out of date again
[18:10] <Unit193> I know what they are doing to it as I'm using FF8 now (Skipped from 5 > 7 back when most people were still using 5 :P )
[18:12] <charlie-tca> As close as I can guess, they are going to make firefox a nightmare soon. No more version numbers visible to the user, maybe follow in IE's footsteps?
[18:12] <GridCube> lol
[18:12] <GridCube> if i wanted to use chrome i would use chrome
[18:12] <Unit193> ^^
[18:13] <charlie-tca> heh
[18:13] <charlie-tca> I guess I will wait and see what develops from it
[18:13] <Unit193> If I wanted to use a crappy browser, I would already be using it
[18:13] <GridCube> i will move to another browser soon if they keep pushing chrome down my trhoat
[18:13] <charlie-tca> I did not know mozilla wants you to use chrome
[18:13] <GridCube> please they are doing everything to be like them
[18:14] <GridCube> up tabs, hidding http and "highlighting domains"
[18:14] <GridCube> one single menu for everything, no options
[18:14] <GridCube> changing version numbers so no addon can work
[18:15] <GridCube> /rant
[18:15] <Unit193> Hiding http isn't nice, but highlighting the domain part doesn't bother me
[18:15] <GridCube> yeah i could live whit that
[18:16] <GridCube> but if i have a blog, my blog name will be greyed out and the server will stand out
[18:16] <Unit193> Tabs are not on top with me, there are multi menus, but the version numbers are getting a little out there...
[18:16] <GridCube> well i give firefox a pro point on that, they let you revert most of the things they do
[18:17] <GridCube> but its kind of annoying, that in every update i have to go arround looking for ways to "undo" stuff they did
[18:17] <Unit193> Tip: status-4-ever
[18:17] <GridCube> i know about that, but its ridiculous 
[18:17] <GridCube> that now, you need an addon for something that should be there to beging whit
[18:18] <GridCube> also thats other thing they took from chrome
[18:18] <Unit193> Yes it should stay as default, they are changing some things that I wouldn't, and don't, want changed
[18:18] <madnick> thank god for Firefox 1.5
[18:18] <Unit193> 1.5?
[18:19] <madnick> best version :) it had all that stuff
[18:19] <Unit193> 3.6 still gets updates though
[18:19] <GridCube> i still use that 
[18:19] <GridCube> 3.6
[18:19] <Unit193> I must give them that FF8 seems a bit faster
[18:19] <GridCube> on this box, its the main reason why i don change 10.04
[18:19] <Unit193> (Faster than FF&)
[18:20] <madnick> Firefox renders my raycasting faster than Chrome ^^
[18:20] <GridCube> also since ff6 update on my work's machine it hangs every 40 minuts, clock
[18:20] <charlie-tca> Xubuntu community meeting in #xubuntu-devel in 40 minutes. Everyone is invited to attend. Agenda is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Meetings
[18:21] <Unit193> Wow, didn't even remember that was today...
[18:29] <charlie-tca> finally! a reminder that gets noticed ;)
[18:30] <Unit193> I'm always glad to get them! I just used to not be able to make it (The reason I can now is sad, but works)
[19:00] <mr_pouit> maybe we shouldn't use the gnome bluetooth thing
[19:00] <mr_pouit> blueman was working pretty well last time I checked
[19:00] <mr_pouit> (and I don't think it needs gnome-control-center)
[19:00] <charlie-tca> That could well be, but we are getting that same outdated packages error on a lot of things
[19:01] <charlie-tca> mr_pouit: you ready for the meetingt?
[19:01] <charlie-tca> I am all for getting rid of gnome-??? as much as we can, since they seem to want to pull in so much most of the time.
[19:02] <charlie-tca> #startmeeting
[19:02] <meetingology> Meeting started Mon Aug 22 19:02:01 2011 UTC.  The chair is charlie-tca. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlanBell/mootbot.
[19:02] <meetingology> Useful Commands: #topic #action #link #idea #voters #vote #chair #action #agreed #help #info #endmeeting.
[19:02] <GridCube> :)
[19:02] <GridCube> meeting time?
[19:02] <charlie-tca> [TOPIC] Agenda for today's meeting:
[19:02] <meetingology> TOPIC: Agenda for today's meeting:
[19:02] <charlie-tca> * Old business
[19:02] <charlie-tca> * Team updates
[19:03] <charlie-tca>   * Packaging & Development
[19:03] <charlie-tca>   * Bug Triage & Testing
[19:03] <charlie-tca>   * Website & Marketing
[19:03] <charlie-tca>   * Artwork
[19:03] <charlie-tca>   * Documentation
[19:03] <charlie-tca> * Announcements
[19:03] <charlie-tca> * Governance structure
[19:03] <charlie-tca> * Any Other Business
[19:03] <charlie-tca> Reminder:   please use ".." on separate line when you've finished typing.   If someone wants to comment during the updates, please "o/", so we know to wait.
[19:03] <charlie-tca> The agenda is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Meetings
[19:03] <charlie-tca> [TOPIC] [19:03] <meetingology> TOPIC: [19:03] <charlie-tca> geany has a delay when trying to use the right click menu
[19:04] <charlie-tca> GridCube to put together the "TOP 10" for Xubuntu - In-work
[19:04] <charlie-tca> If anyone has something in particular they think should be in the list, please tell GridCube 
[19:04] <GridCube> hard week
[19:04] <charlie-tca> so, slow progress?
[19:04] <GridCube> no progress, hope to get it done this week
[19:04] <GridCube> ..
[19:05] <charlie-tca> Thank you, GridCube 
[19:05] <charlie-tca> Your efforts are apreciated!
[19:05] <charlie-tca> madnick to look into building a lightdm greeter - In-work
[19:05] <GridCube> oh yes telling me its cool, its hard to see what its important to add
[19:05] <charlie-tca> madnick: how we doing?
[19:05] <GridCube> ..
[19:05] <madnick> Doing OK, the greeter itself works
[19:06] <madnick> Its not finished, but the problem i have is with --test-mode )
[19:06] <madnick> But I hope to be done by this week
[19:06] <charlie-tca> Maybe they broke that mode now?
[19:06] <charlie-tca> mr_pouit: what's the latest date we have to be done by?
[19:06] <madnick> Maybe, It just twitches and dies and no logs on it
[19:06] <mr_pouit> UI freeze is on next thursday iirc
[19:07] <madnick> ..
[19:07] <charlie-tca> so, we need to get lightdm in by the 25th
[19:07] <charlie-tca> charlie-tca to start a release checklist page for Xubuntu
[19:07] <charlie-tca> I forgot
[19:07] <charlie-tca> will get this going this week
[19:08] <Olbi> Hello all :)
[19:08] <charlie-tca> Hello, Olbi 
[19:08] <GridCube> hello Olbi 
[19:08] <charlie-tca> Welcome to the Xubuntu Community Meeting
[19:08] <charlie-tca> Any questions on old business?
[19:08] <charlie-tca> any old business we missed?
[19:08] <GridCube> not that i recall
[19:09] <knome> WWII
[19:09] <GridCube> thats pretty much done
[19:09] <charlie-tca> [TOPIC] [19:09] <meetingology> TOPIC: [19:09] <charlie-tca> [TOPIC] [19:09] <meetingology> TOPIC: [19:09] <charlie-tca> mr_pouit: ??
[19:09] <GridCube> o/
[19:10] <mr_pouit> GridCube: question?
[19:10] <GridCube> what happened to mousepad and scrot
[19:10] <GridCube> ?
[19:10] <mr_pouit> mousepad has been replaced by leafpad
[19:10] <knome> \o/
[19:10] <xrdodrx> \o/
[19:10] <GridCube> oh.. i see. ok.
[19:10] <charlie-tca> They broke mousepad bad for us
[19:10] <xrdodrx> mousepad doesn't even function properly for me in natty :/
[19:10] <charlie-tca> ..
[19:11] <mr_pouit> (mousepad is supposed to be a better fork of leafpad, but mousepad isn't well maintained currently, and leafpad has some activity upstream, and uses teh gtk+ printing api)
[19:11] <GridCube> okay 
[19:11] <GridCube> and scrot?
[19:11] <mr_pouit> was it in the default package set?
[19:11] <mr_pouit> I don't think so
[19:12] <GridCube> dunno, in today test install it wasnt there
[19:12] <charlie-tca> !info scrot
[19:13] <charlie-tca> snapshot?
[19:13] <charlie-tca> screenshot
[19:13] <charlie-tca> was missing from Accessiories?
[19:13] <GridCube> the problem is that using print screen key doesnt work if you have the panels locked, so
[19:14] <GridCube> when you want to screenshot something that hangs the panels., like an error you have to launch it from a terminal
[19:14] <GridCube> and scrot is faster to write than xfce4-screenshoter
[19:15] <GridCube> ..
[19:15] <charlie-tca> oh
[19:15] <charlie-tca> we have never installed scrot by default
[19:16] <mr_pouit> GridCube: really? printscreen should call the xfce4-screenshooter binary, not the panel plugin, so it should work afaik
[19:16] <GridCube> no
[19:16] <mr_pouit> if it doesn't, please file a bug
[19:16] <GridCube> no keybinging work if a panel is open 
[19:16] <GridCube> like configuration or something like that
[19:16] <GridCube> it never did
[19:16] <mr_pouit> ah, yeah, because it gets the focus
[19:17] <GridCube> if you launch the start menu, forget about keybindings
[19:17] <mr_pouit> (and grabs the keyboard, etc. like when a menu is opened)
[19:17] <GridCube> yes that
[19:17] <mr_pouit> yeah
[19:17] <Olbi> maybe shutter? http://shutter-project.org/
[19:17] <xrdodrx> what is the benefit of locking the panel?
[19:17] <Olbi> is better than scrot :]
[19:17] <mr_pouit> I think it's a problem (or call that a design choice) of gtk
[19:17] <charlie-tca> nah, it just takes installing scrot
[19:17] <GridCube> and launching scrot is faster, i could xfce4-sc[tab][tab] but is faster to scrot
[19:18] <charlie-tca> mr_pouit: what about seeding scrot? Is it possible?
[19:18] <GridCube> nevermind i though it was on previous versions
[19:18] <xrdodrx> GridCube, xfce4-screenshotter is part of default xfce
[19:18] <xrdodrx> scrot is a command line application
[19:18] <xrdodrx> i don't think we want to replace something graphical with something command line
[19:18] <GridCube> i must have installed it back in the day on 10.04 
[19:18] <Olbi> scrt will be very usfell, specially when u are tested livecd
[19:19] <xrdodrx> especially since new users aren't going to want to open a terminal just to take a screenshot :\
[19:19] <mr_pouit> charlie-tca: daily alternate/i386 is already oversized by ~300k, I'd like to avoid that
[19:19] <charlie-tca> good enough
[19:19] <Olbi> so for graphical take shutter, and for cmd scrot
[19:19] <charlie-tca> if a user really wants it, they should install it then
[19:19] <xrdodrx> ^
[19:19] <GridCube> no, as i said, i though it was there back on 10.04 but i must have installed it myself
[19:19] <charlie-tca> It really is a matter of the number of letters needed to run the app
[19:19] <GridCube> yes
[19:19] <xrdodrx> GridCube, create an alias
[19:20] <Olbi> xubuntu is for devel or fo users?:P
[19:20] <charlie-tca> Xubuntu is for users. We do what is best for the user, almost all the time.
[19:20] <xrdodrx> echo 'alias sshot="xfce4-screenshotter"' >> ~/.bashrc
[19:20] <xrdodrx> :)
[19:20] <GridCube> :P it would be faster to launch xfce4-screenshoter that create an alias and then launch it, so never mind
[19:21] <GridCube> ..
[19:21] <Olbi> maybe script for xfce4-screenshoter ?
[19:21] <charlie-tca> The point was, whether in live session or installed session, scrot is faster to type the xfce4-screenshooter
[19:21] <Olbi> which will be called screenshot?
[19:21] <xrdodrx> but just hitting the prntscrn key brings up xfce4-screenshotter
[19:21] <charlie-tca> It doesn't matter which one he uses, they both will do the same job for it.
[19:21] <xrdodrx> this wouldn't work with scrot since scrot is command line
[19:22] <beardygnome> i came in late so sorry if i'm back tracking here, but are keyboard shortcuts broken in oneric?
[19:22] <charlie-tca> okay, let's continue with the meeting.
[19:22] <GridCube> yes please
[19:22] <charlie-tca> no, you can't use them when a panel app is hung
[19:22] <charlie-tca> mr_pouit: do you have a developer update today?
[19:22] <mr_pouit> yep
[19:22] <charlie-tca> floor is your's
[19:22] <mr_pouit> Okay, so, last week, xubuntu-default-settings was updated to set the default session & greeter for lightdm \o/; some xubuntu-artwork uploads for the plymouth themes (more to come when madnick and knome are around at the same time); I fixed the build failure of abiword, and micahg fixed some package conflicts (the gtk themes have been moved from xubuntu-artwork to murrine-themes).
[19:23] <mr_pouit> Yesterday I dropped "de" language packs from i386 daily live to make it fit again in 700M (it wasn't in amd64, only in i386 because "we're supposed to have much free space there" :/).
[19:23] <knome> mr_pouit, what do you need from us? :)
[19:23] <mr_pouit> ..
[19:23] <Olbi> I think abiword isnt good ass default aplication for text writing
[19:23] <mr_pouit> knome: the 16b theme support :p
[19:24] <knome> mr_pouit, okay, i've provided the files for madnick
[19:24] <madnick> except the logo! :P
[19:24] <knome> hmm?
[19:24] <knome> wrong..
[19:24] <knome> http://temp.knome.fi/xubuntu/oneiric_plymouth/xubuntu_logo_lowdepth.png
[19:24] <Olbi> maybe install by default writer and calc only? they arent so hardly for systems :P
[19:24] <knome> there you go
[19:24] <madnick> oh okay :)
[19:24] <charlie-tca> Olbi: can it wait until we get to Other?
[19:24] <Olbi> ok
[19:25] <Olbi> charlie-tca: ok
[19:25] <charlie-tca> Thanks, mr_pouit. You guys stay pretty busy, I am glad you are on top of things
[19:26] <mr_pouit> no, thank you ;-)
[19:26] <charlie-tca> knome, madnick : that is the last thing for lightdm, right?
[19:26] <mr_pouit> no more questions?
[19:26] <GridCube> o/
[19:26] <madnick> charlie-tca: for plymouth
[19:26] <GridCube> https://launchpad.net/bugs/831488
[19:26] <charlie-tca> mr_pouit: maybe-ubiquity is just the app that takes the cd menu away
[19:26] <charlie-tca> we still need to update the logo for the menu
[19:27] <knome> charlie-tca, this was for plymouth. if we have some time, i'd actually want to talk about a few minor issues in lightdm
[19:27] <charlie-tca> well, doesn't take it away, but hides it from the users
[19:27] <knome> charlie-tca, the UI freeze is on WED, so we need time until tomorrow noon to make absolutely last minute changes?
[19:27] <mr_pouit> charlie-tca: yeah, all other variants/derivatives/<whatever you call them> use it, don't they?
[19:27] <charlie-tca> It gives Ubuntu the "install now"  and "try now"  menu late in the boot process instead of the cd menu
[19:28] <charlie-tca> I don't remember if they all use it.
[19:28] <charlie-tca> You want the menu hidden?
[19:28] <charlie-tca> I will have it activated if we do want it.
[19:28] <charlie-tca> Shouldn't take effort here, installer does it all
[19:29] <charlie-tca> but I still need to get the logo on the menu updated, since pressing a key gives the user the same menu we have
[19:29] <mr_pouit> I recall it was a bit nicer, but I didn't use an ubuntu/kubuntu iso for a long time ;>
[19:29] <charlie-tca> Okay
[19:29] <charlie-tca> I will tell them do it to us
[19:29] <knome> o/ i'm just having a talk with NCommander on the livecd menu logo
[19:29] <mr_pouit> okay, if it's too risky, we can delay that for O+1
[19:29] <charlie-tca> knome: lightdm?
[19:29] <knome> no, before that
[19:30] <charlie-tca> yay
[19:30] <charlie-tca> UI freeze is at August 25, 2011 at 21:00 UTC
[19:31] <knome> oh, so aug 24 is the last day to submit things?
[19:31] <charlie-tca> So, Thursday about 1 and a half hours from now
[19:31] <knome> well, the wiki said last minute updates should be made 1 day earlier
[19:31] <charlie-tca> Preferred to get things in wednesday, yes
[19:32] <knome> yeah.
[19:32] <knome> madnick, do you have some time today?
[19:32] <madnick> I guess sleep will have to wait until friday :|
[19:32] <madnick> knome: yes
[19:32] <knome> madnick, takes maybe 15mins, or at most 30
[19:32] <charlie-tca> Any questions on development and packaging?
[19:32] <charlie-tca> knome: you got the logo update handled?
[19:33] <knome> charlie-tca, i'll try to do that, if at all possible, but i think yes'ish
[19:33] <charlie-tca> okay
[19:33] <GridCube> charlie-tca, today's bug?
[19:33] <charlie-tca> You had some lightdm things to discuss?
[19:33] <GridCube> isnt for packaging?
[19:33] <charlie-tca> GridCube: mr_pouit got a handle on that already
[19:33] <GridCube> oh
[19:33] <GridCube> okay
[19:33] <GridCube> :)
[19:33] <mr_pouit> charlie-tca: knome: thank you for the boot menu and logo "investigations" ;-)
[19:33] <knome> charlie-tca, with madnick, we'll handle those after the meeting, just some final tweaks for the artwork
[19:34] <knome> mr_pouit, no problem sir ;)
[19:34] <charlie-tca> Thank you, knome 
[19:34] <knome> mr_pouit, i'll let you do the technical part though
[19:34] <mr_pouit> eww :p
[19:34] <charlie-tca> mr_pouit: you are most welcome. Glad we finally got one
[19:35] <charlie-tca> madnick, knome : ubuntustudio might want to discuss lightdm themes too
[19:35] <charlie-tca> They are trying to figure out how to do what you did!
[19:35] <knome> charlie-tca, probably better to ask madnick about the code
[19:35] <charlie-tca> I will tell them, if madnick is okay with that?
[19:36] <madnick> sure
[19:36] <charlie-tca> Great!
[19:36]  * astraljava hails charlie-tca re: studio - lightdm
[19:36] <charlie-tca> yup
[19:36] <charlie-tca> madnick will be happy to explain what he did
[19:37] <charlie-tca> [TOPIC] [19:37] <meetingology> TOPIC: [19:37] <charlie-tca> Testing is slow. We need to get on top of it again. We do have a tracker for daily testing at:
[19:37] <charlie-tca> http://www.google.com/url?q=http://2tu.us/3dmh&usd=2&usg=ALhdy2__BW8olO1HKH4HdYEcAVhIv6zxCw
[19:38] <astraljava> Yep, thankfully, work slows down a bit, so I'll have more time for that.
[19:38] <astraljava> ..
[19:39] <charlie-tca> http://2tu.us/3gn1
[19:39] <charlie-tca> That's better
[19:40] <charlie-tca> mr_pouit: Do we need a separate bug report for each application giving us fails with the stuff at https://launchpadlibrarian.net/77809901/Captura%20de%20pantalla%20-%20220811%20-%2012%3A22%3A14.png
[19:40] <Unit193> I have both images now for today
[19:40] <charlie-tca> We have several apps failing for the same things not updated?
[19:41] <Olbi> I will try to help with testing from tomorrow :]
[19:41] <mr_pouit> charlie-tca: it should be a transient issue
[19:41] <mr_pouit> I think they were updated tomorrow, so maybe they have not propagated to all mirrors?
[19:41] <charlie-tca> Okay, more reasons to keep up with the daily testing
[19:41] <mr_pouit> s/tomorrow/today/
[19:41] <charlie-tca> mr_pouit: I get them from main
[19:41] <charlie-tca> oh, nm
[19:42] <charlie-tca> We just have to keep checking to see if they fixed this week
[19:42] <mr_pouit> e.g. https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/oneiric-changes/2011-August/007395.html
[19:42] <Olbi> where I can get daily images?
[19:42] <madnick> !topic
[19:42] <GridCube> i've done tests today
[19:42] <charlie-tca> Olbi: http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/
[19:43] <GridCube> this week i can do a few more, everyday hopefully
[19:43] <charlie-tca> GridCube: updated the spreadsheet?
[19:43] <GridCube> yes
[19:43] <Olbi> charlie-tca: thx very much
[19:43] <charlie-tca> Thanks
[19:43] <charlie-tca> Olbi: you are welcome
[19:43] <charlie-tca> Any other questions for testing?
[19:43] <charlie-tca> [TOPIC] [19:43] <meetingology> TOPIC: [19:44] <charlie-tca> pleia2 and knome : your turn please
[19:44] <pleia2> website is looking good :)
[19:44] <pleia2> knome has updates
[19:44] <knome> charlie-tca, we're forwarding the code to IS today
[19:44] <charlie-tca> I hear good things!
[19:44] <knome> charlie-tca, once i get there
[19:44] <charlie-tca> w00t!
[19:44] <pleia2> IS will need to do code review for the theme and plugin, hopefully it won't take long
[19:44] <charlie-tca> hopefully...
[19:44] <pleia2> once that's done we'll be able to work on the staging server, moving all content over
[19:45] <charlie-tca> People are expecting more news and information about Xubuntu. Any ideas?
[19:45] <Olbi> charlie-tca: agree
[19:45] <knome> try to make the blog more open to new contributors than it is now
[19:46] <charlie-tca> what blog?
[19:46] <charlie-tca> the news area?
[19:46] <knome> well, the xubuntu website "blog"/news
[19:46] <Olbi> site is good, but it need some local transaltions :]
[19:46] <knome> yes, as discussed earlier
[19:46] <knome> pleia2, crap, translations
[19:46] <knome> pleia2, let's add them later
[19:46] <charlie-tca> We need to be telling people they can submit articles anytime they want. 
[19:46] <knome> :)
[19:46] <charlie-tca> but we won't ever have everyone entitled to upload, I don't think
[19:47] <Olbi> maybe news about new programs from xfce mailing lists?
[19:47] <pleia2> we'll need to talk to someone who knows more about translations, I don't know best practices for this
[19:47] <charlie-tca> Olbi: any idea how to do the translations?
[19:47] <Olbi> charlie-tca: thinking :)
[19:47] <Olbi> charlie-tca: what framework is used for site?
[19:47] <pleia2> wordpress
[19:48] <knome> pleia2, there is a good plugin for WP for translations
[19:48] <Olbi> knome: good :]
[19:48] <pleia2> knome: ah, nice
[19:48] <charlie-tca> Obvious, I guess... ML should have reminders about articles and where to submit them ?
[19:48] <Olbi> so we are at home
[19:48] <knome> pleia2, http://wpml.org/
[19:49] <Olbi> we need testing page for transaltions
[19:49] <pleia2> the translations bug report is here, so if people have thoughts: https://bugs.launchpad.net/xubuntu-website/+bug/797600
[19:49] <knome> oh wait, that says "purchase" ? hmm, need to investigate :|
[19:49] <knome> pleia2, http://wpml.org/purchase/non-profits/ too
[19:49] <Olbi> xD
[19:50] <charlie-tca> ..
[19:50] <charlie-tca> Continuing on then, 
[19:50] <charlie-tca> [TOPIC] [19:50] <meetingology> TOPIC: [19:50] <charlie-tca> I don't see ochosi back yet. 
[19:50] <charlie-tca> knome: any update?
[19:50] <knome> about what exactly?
[19:50] <charlie-tca> do you know what happened to the greybird updates for Oneiric?
[19:51] <knome> no
[19:51] <pleia2> knome: can you add the nonprofit link to the bug report so we remember it?
[19:51] <charlie-tca> There were some being done, but we seem to have lost them
[19:51] <knome> pleia2, sure
[19:51] <pleia2> ty
[19:51] <charlie-tca> When will ochosi be back?
[19:51] <Olbi> artwork is great, but I think theme from official Ubuntu is so good :]
[19:51] <knome> charlie-tca, probably tomorrow for a while. he doesn't have a shell right now, but email works
[19:52] <charlie-tca> okay
[19:52] <charlie-tca> worries me that we lost those upgrades to greybird
[19:52] <knome> they are most probably in github anyway
[19:52] <charlie-tca> Okay, any other questions / comments for website, marketing, artwork?
[19:53] <Olbi> I saw in some themes that characters are seen after changing
[19:53] <Olbi> arent
[19:53] <charlie-tca> right, knome. I think that is where those of us that got them went
[19:53] <knome> i'll get the livecd menu image changed
[19:53] <charlie-tca> anything specific, Olbi ?
[19:53] <charlie-tca> :)
[19:54] <Olbi> charlie-tca: I  have to check it one more time to say which
[19:54] <Olbi> charlie-tca: and what
[19:54] <charlie-tca> file bugs on the themes that it happens in?
[19:54] <charlie-tca> [TOPIC] [19:54] <meetingology> TOPIC: [19:55] <charlie-tca>  * The next meeting will be on Sunday, 2011-08-28 at 22:00 UTC
[19:55] <charlie-tca>  * Important dates coming up:
[19:55] <charlie-tca>   * 11.10 BetaFreeze: Aug 25, 2011 at 21:00 UTC
[19:55] <charlie-tca>   * User Interface Freeze : August 25, 2011 at 21:00 UTC
[19:55] <charlie-tca>   * 11.10 Beta1: September 1
[19:55] <charlie-tca>   * 11.10 Release Date: October 13, 2011
[19:55] <charlie-tca>   * UDS-P will be in Orlando, Florida the week of October 31 - Nov 4. Please apply for sponsorship by August 24.
[19:55] <charlie-tca>   * UDS-P information at http://ubuntu-news.org/2011/07/15/ubuntu-developer-summit-sponsorship-now-open-2/
[19:55] <charlie-tca> two days left to apply for UDS sponsorship
[19:55] <charlie-tca> Note the UI freeze and beta1 freeze!
[19:55] <charlie-tca> [TOPIC] [19:55] <meetingology> TOPIC: [19:56] <charlie-tca>  * Blueprints
[19:56] <charlie-tca>   * We should blueprint at least for default applications
[19:56] <charlie-tca> mr_pouit: I think we should at least blueprint and have one uds session for default apps
[19:57] <charlie-tca> it would eliminate the time gap we have now deciding what is going to stay and what is going to change
[19:58] <GridCube> interesting
[19:58] <Olbi> so when will be official blueprint for 11.10?
[19:58] <charlie-tca> already
[19:58] <Olbi> my bad, sorry :P
[19:58] <charlie-tca> 11.10 will be released in October.
[19:58] <mr_pouit> if you think so (I'm not sure we've _that_ many apps we want to change, so maybe blueprints are overkill ;-)
[19:58] <astraljava> I'm guessing charlie-tca referred to next devel cycle.
[19:59] <charlie-tca> Let's think on it, anyway. It would help get us some recognition from the Ubuntu side of things, too.
[19:59] <GridCube> oh o/
[19:59] <GridCube> greybird isnt updated
[19:59] <GridCube> in oeneric
[19:59] <charlie-tca> right
[19:59] <charlie-tca> ochosi will be back tomorrow, hopefully, and can push the updates in to mr_pouit 
[20:00] <charlie-tca> Olbi: you wanted to discuss abiword?
[20:00] <GridCube> he might have to check whats happening whit gtk3
[20:00] <charlie-tca> This is the time for it
[20:00] <GridCube> i get warnings from it all the time in oneiric
[20:01] <knome> afaik, the freybird gtk3 theme is still WIP :|
[20:01] <mr_pouit> (for thursday, we've got to sort out the plymouth 16bit theme fallback, the lightdm greeter, and the greybird update ;p)
[20:01] <GridCube> I, for one, support abiword
[20:01] <knome> plymouth and lightdm are ready today
[20:01] <charlie-tca> madnick: gonna get a new tar file to mr_pouit today?
[20:03]  * GridCube thinks we shouldnt even pack ristretto
[20:03] <madnick> charlie-tca: yes
[20:03] <knome> i don't agree with GridCube. there was a discussion about this earlier, and we decided to keep ristretto.
[20:03] <madnick> however, since mr_pouit already packaged it, perhaps its better to use send the affected files?
[20:03] <charlie-tca> ristretto's memory consumption has been fixed now
[20:04] <GridCube> but it doesnt add up nothing gThumb doesnt do better
[20:04] <charlie-tca> mr_pouit: new complete tar or just the changes?
[20:04] <GridCube> anyway, thats my opinion
[20:04] <mr_pouit> madnick: what you prefer
[20:04] <charlie-tca> Olbi: Why do you think abiword is not good?
[20:05] <madnick> mr_pouit: okay
[20:05] <knome> GridCube, there is going to be lots of updates to ristretto soonish, and as it's an "xfce" app, i'd like to prefer it ti gthumb. the improvements won't make it into oneiric, but it's more consistent to keep ristretto for this release too, if we're going to drop gthumb in the next.
[20:05] <GridCube> okay
[20:06] <GridCube> i understand that
[20:06] <GridCube> :)
[20:06] <knome> good. that was pretty much the only reason to keep ristretto
[20:06] <charlie-tca> remains to be seen if we want ristretto or gthumb in the lts, I guess
[20:06] <knome> yes, exactly
[20:06] <mr_pouit> I've a patch ready to plug some memleaks
[20:06] <knome> but ristretto should be good :)
[20:06] <GridCube> if ristretto could add text yes i would choose it over anyother
[20:06] <charlie-tca> yes, that ristretto developer worked hard to patch the leaks.
[20:07] <mr_pouit> (I committed it to the debian packaging, but I haven't uploaded yet)
[20:07] <charlie-tca> GridCube: put in a wishlist for it?
[20:07] <GridCube> (if it would actually figure out that im opening a folder whit lots of fimages too, it doesnt do that now on oneric)
[20:07] <charlie-tca> okay, anything else we need / want to discuss?
[20:07] <GridCube> not from me
[20:07] <charlie-tca> mr_pouit: will those patches make oneiric?
[20:08] <Olbi> sorry for afk
[20:08] <charlie-tca> Beta1 is next week! Let's get a good writeup with all the changes for it, please!
[20:08] <mr_pouit> charlie-tca: yeah, I'll try to upload soon
[20:08] <Olbi> charlie-tca: Abiword isnt so popular
[20:08] <charlie-tca> why?
[20:09] <charlie-tca> Abiword has most of the functionality of openoffice / libreoffice writer
[20:09] <knome> do we want the glowy logo, or the logo with white and blue on the bootmenu (remember the BG is just pure black)
[20:09] <charlie-tca> It just takes a lot less memory and drive space
[20:09] <Olbi> in my work when we print in one year we have only 2 documents good that I know format of this word processor
[20:10] <Olbi> my mates doesnt know that :P
[20:10] <knome> white+blue is better for 16bit, because there we don't have the possibility to probe for bitdepth
[20:10] <Olbi> they know only odf formats
[20:10] <charlie-tca> knome: probable white+blue then?
[20:10] <GridCube> Olbi, you can choose to save documents in other formats beside abw
[20:10] <knome> charlie-tca, okay, good
[20:10] <Olbi> but it isnt 100% compatybility with ODF :
[20:11] <charlie-tca> You should be able to save as .odf, can't you?
[20:11] <charlie-tca> oh, and libreoffice is?
[20:11] <Olbi> i was checking formating 10 times and allways have problems with it
[20:11] <knome> if you definitely need to have better support for ODF, it's not too hard to install libreoffice from the repositories
[20:11] <Olbi> especially when trying edit documents from Writer :)
[20:11] <charlie-tca> The abiword developers will try to fix those things, if they know about them
[20:12] <Olbi> but marketing is crap :]
[20:13] <charlie-tca> marketing is difficult, but that has nothing to do with quality of use
[20:13] <Olbi> I know that they want better and better, but users prefer app which is more popular and they were teached in school
[20:14] <charlie-tca> Well, I think we should end the meeting, anyway. We can discuss the pros and cons of abiword outside the meeting
[20:14] <Olbi> ok, we close taht
[20:14] <charlie-tca> Um, do they teach anything except microsoft applications in school?
[20:14] <Unit193> ^^
[20:14] <Olbi> they teach both MS and LO :D
[20:15] <charlie-tca> So, a simple "sudo apt-get install libreoffice-writer" should take care of it
[20:15] <Olbi> no :)
[20:15] <charlie-tca> why?
[20:15] <Olbi> you only take english version of it :]
[20:15] <charlie-tca> Whether we install it or you install it, it is installed
[20:15] <Olbi> and others plugins and translates u have to search :]
[20:16] <Olbi> it isnt like Windows version :]
[20:16] <charlie-tca> so, if it is installed instead of abiword, it is the same, right?
[20:16] <charlie-tca> This isn't windows, but if you file bugs, things get fixed. Nothing happens if a bug didn't get filed.
[20:17] <charlie-tca> Thanks, everybody, for participating in the meeting.
[20:17] <Olbi> do as you want, staying with abiword doesnt help LO be more popular in schools and houses
[20:17] <charlie-tca> madnick: astraljava wants to talk about lightdm coding
[20:17] <charlie-tca> Sorry, we are here to market libreoffice.
[20:18] <knome> are we?
[20:18] <knome> /part
[20:18] <knome> :)
[20:18] <astraljava> Yep, madnick, if you have time, could you skip over to #ubuntustudio-devel, please?
[20:18] <charlie-tca> That is not for us to do. We would prefer users just use Xubuntu, and if they desire libreoffice, they should install it.
[20:18] <charlie-tca> yes, knome 
[20:18] <charlie-tca> thanks
[20:18] <madnick> astraljava: could i please do it after i fix the plymouth theme? it only take a lil bit
[20:18] <Olbi> we want all less popular of MS programs :D
[20:19] <astraljava> madnick: I'm in no hurry. Don't know how falktx has time, but by all means. Thanks!
[20:19] <charlie-tca> and abiword is not MS. But we are not going to switch applications just to market something else. That is for libreoffice to do, not Xubuntu.
[20:19] <charlie-tca> #endmeeting
[20:19] <meetingology> Meeting ended Mon Aug 22 20:19:51 2011 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlanBell/mootbot . (v 0.1.4)
[20:19] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/xubuntu-devel/2011/xubuntu-devel.2011-08-22-19.02.moin.txt
[20:19] <madnick> astraljava: ask him, if its super important i could come, but i rather get everything done first :\
[20:20] <madnick> on plymouth
[20:21] <charlie-tca> Olbi: I don't think Xubuntu is really interested in trying to market libreoffice. That is a bit outside the goals of the distribution
[20:21] <GridCube> yes libreoffice is too much for xubuntu
[20:22] <astraljava> madnick: He says no worries.
[20:22] <madnick> okay super :)
[20:22] <astraljava> Thanks a bunch!
[20:22] <astraljava> charlie-tca: Thanks for the meeting! I'll concentrate on studio stuff for tonight, but will continue testing tomorrow.
[20:23] <Olbi> thank ypu very much
[20:23] <charlie-tca> Thanks. Yes, you need to concentrate on studio a bit
[20:23] <charlie-tca> UI freeze applies to that too, on thursday
[20:23] <astraljava> Yep.
[20:23] <charlie-tca> Olbi: you are welcome. feel free to come back if you have more questions.
[20:24] <charlie-tca> We will meet again on Sunday at 22:00 UTC
[20:24] <Olbi> I will :D
[20:24] <charlie-tca> great!
[20:25] <Olbi> so I try to create some manual abut how to install LO Writer and Calc with all needed extensions :]
[20:27] <charlie-tca> That would be terrific, too!
[20:29] <madnick> oh wow that logo is huge
[20:29] <knome> madnick, just tell me what size you need?
[20:30] <madnick> knome: same as the plymouths current which is 241x88
[20:30] <knome> minus the glow?
[20:30] <madnick> i think so
[20:31] <knome> okay
[20:33] <knome> madnick, http://temp.knome.fi/xubuntu/oneiric_plymouth/logo_16bit.png, better?
[20:34] <madnick> that works :) but this will take a while it aligns wrong
[20:34] <madnick> acctually it will take quite a while
[20:34] <knome> huh?
[20:34] <knome> :)
[20:35] <madnick> nothing :)
[20:35] <knome> oki
[20:35] <madnick> knome: thing is
[20:35] <madnick> the original logo is 241x88, anything else will align wrong
[20:35]  * knome gets back to working on other artwork stuff
[20:35] <knome> heh
[20:35] <knome> i can add padding for the new logo too
[20:36] <knome> but that's so easy you can do it yourself too :)
[20:36] <madnick> yup
[20:36] <madnick> ill see if i can do it :)
[20:36] <knome> hehe;)
[20:36] <knome> tell me if you need help
[20:38] <madnick> thats perfect :)
[20:45] <knome> pushed and proposed merge to get the xubuntu logo updated in the livecd menu
[20:45] <charlie-tca> Guess I will go shopping
[20:45] <charlie-tca> Thanks, knome 
[20:45] <knome> np
[20:46] <charlie-tca> Assuming everything starts working right, this will be a really good release. All updated artwork, great theme, great website, etc.
[20:47] <Unit193> charlie-tca: When you have time to waste, ping me? (few questions I would like to have answers to, but not sure what channel or if I should PM to ask :/ )
[20:48] <knome> Unit193, is it about testing or something else?
[20:50] <madnick> oh noes
[20:50] <madnick> thunar died on transfer :(
[20:50] <knome> madnick, mmh?
[20:50] <knome> :)
[20:50] <knome> madnick, just ping me when you've sorted everything else out. i have some improvement suggestions for lightdm :))
[20:50] <Unit193> knome: It's more about Xubuntu, but.... I don't want to sound like a huge idiot in logged channel (Or even more of one ;P)
[20:51] <knome> just shoot. there is no stupid questions
[20:51] <knome> https://code.launchpad.net/~knome/debian-cd/xubuntu-logo/+merge/72497
[20:53] <Unit193> Yes there are.  What is the point of Xubuntu? What is the reason it exists? It used to be the lightweight one, but it's not exactly lightweight and Lubuntu is much more lightweight (Don't misunderstand, I love Xubuntu and use it, I just don't know what it's goal IS)
[20:54] <knome> xubuntu is actually getting more light opposed to gnome again
[20:54] <madnick> meetingology: http://www.madnick.se/~madnick/xubuntu/16bit.tar.gz
[20:54] <meetingology> madnick: Error: "http://www.madnick.se/~madnick/xubuntu/16bit.tar.gz" is not a valid command.
[20:54] <madnick> sorry
[20:54] <madnick> mr_pouit: 
[20:55] <knome> but that's not the only point, we also strive for userfriendliness and accessibility.
[20:55] <knome> Unit193, ^
[20:55] <madnick> knome: lightdm: shot!
[20:55] <madnick> :D
[20:55] <madnick> shoot*
[20:55] <Unit193> knome: True, but I don't know what the updated goal is :/
[20:55] <knome> madnick, well, ochosi wanted some improvement for the icons on top right, so i'll provide you new versions of those soonish
[20:56] <madnick> oki :)
[20:56] <knome> madnick, also, something needs to be done for the log in button
[20:56] <knome> it's weird being inverted versus everything else
[20:57] <madnick> :)
[20:57] <madnick> sure
[20:57] <madnick> Just give me graphics/ideas :P
[20:57] <madnick> ok astraljava where was this meeting?
[20:57] <knome> yeah, i'll have to think about those. just wondered if YOU had something ;)
[20:57] <madnick> im not sure i can answer something the documentation doesnt
[20:57] <astraljava> madnick: #ubuntustudio-devel, but stay put, I'm afraid falktx dropped off for some reason
[20:58] <astraljava> Ahh, there he is again.
[20:58] <madnick> astraljava: okay, cool, ill join in a sec :)
[20:58] <madnick> wow im stressed now :)
[20:58] <knome> welcome to the club
[20:58] <madnick> :D
[20:59] <madnick> To make things even worse; i have to give a little talk about raycasting tomorrow, and im prepared 0%, thus: i will not sleep :D
[20:59] <knome> lol
[21:01] <madnick> astraljava: i dont understand, they want to change to the default greeter? thats it?
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[21:02] <astraljava> madnick: Umm... you guys are not using unity, right?
[21:02] <madnick> nope
[21:02] <madnick> We are using a custom :)
[21:02] <madnick> GTK greeter
[21:02] <astraljava> Yeah, we don't either.
[21:03] <astraljava> We need to create a fast one, not too fancy, but something that resembles our existing theme.
[21:03] <astraljava> We're way behind, I know.
[21:03] <astraljava> Lots of reasons for that.
[21:04] <madnick> :)
[21:04] <madnick> I could link what I've used as reference, but it feels wierd just randomly linking stuff into the channel :)
[21:05] <astraljava> Oh, no, not at all. Examples are just fine.
[21:05] <astraljava> We're not expecting you to do that for us. :)
[21:10] <knome> madnick, guess what? you get more icons where you need the 16bit versions ;)
[21:10] <knome> http://temp.knome.fi/temp/xubuntu/oneiric_lightdm/accessibility_icon_glow.png
[21:10] <knome> http://temp.knome.fi/temp/xubuntu/oneiric_lightdm/shutdown_icon_glow.png
[21:11] <knome> http://temp.knome.fi/temp/xubuntu/oneiric_lightdm/accessibility_icon_16bit.png
[21:11] <knome> http://temp.knome.fi/temp/xubuntu/oneiric_lightdm/shutdown_icon_16bit.png
[21:11] <madnick> dear god :P
[21:11] <knome> oh wait
[21:12] <knome> don't pull those 16bit versions yet
[21:12] <madnick> knome: before you do any more work, im not 100% sure i will *make* this deadline
[21:12] <knome> lol
[21:12] <madnick> 2 days
[21:12] <madnick> And thats has to be tested and done
[21:12] <knome> that isn't a lot, the icons are all 32×32! 
[21:12] <knome> and they are just replacements
[21:12] <knome> you can just change the image files
[21:12] <knome> i wouldn't want to make you do any more work :)
[21:13] <knome> http://temp.knome.fi/temp/xubuntu/oneiric_lightdm/accessibility_icon_16bit.png
[21:13] <knome> http://temp.knome.fi/temp/xubuntu/oneiric_lightdm/shutdown_icon_16bit.png
[21:13] <knome> there you go!
[21:14] <madnick> knome: leave them online please :) ill save them soon, but i need to reboot for a kernel update
[21:14] <knome> sure
[21:15] <knome> anything i've uploaded will be there at least all the way up to oneiric release
[21:15] <knome> unless they are completely useless ;)
[21:18] <knome> madnick, got an idea for the login button. make the textbox bg's more transparent (and the text maybe a bit lighter than in http://www.madnick.se/~madnick/xubuntu/xubuntu-greeter-draft8.png (if that's the final rev)), then copy the same style to login button, but make the bg less transparent, thus a bit darker
[21:21] <knome> madnick, as in http://temp.knome.fi/xubuntu/oneiric_lightdm/shot_20110823.png
[21:21] <knome> madnick, (forget the arrows)
[21:22] <madnick> okay
[21:22] <knome> madnick, and add some more vertical padding to the button. maybe make it twice compared to draft8
[21:22] <knome> after that, i think we are pretty much done
[21:22] <knome> oh wait
[21:23] <knome> did you already make the logo be 16bit in lightdm?
[21:23] <knome> (when needed)
[21:23] <knome> because if not, then ignore the 16bit icons too.
[21:23] <knome> if you are going to do that, then use the icons too.
[21:25] <knome> short break, brb
[22:45] <knome> hey vinnl!
[22:45] <vinnl> Hey knome :)
[22:45] <charlie-tca> Hello, vinnl 
[22:45] <vinnl> Hi charlie-tca :)
[22:46] <charlie-tca> Keeping busy?
[22:46] <knome> charlie-tca, https://launchpad.net/xubuntu-website-wordpress and it's bzr branch are ready for the review
[22:46] <vinnl> Here and there, yes :)
[22:48] <charlie-tca> Terrific, knome 
[22:48] <charlie-tca> Now if we just get IS to do it quickly, right?
[22:48] <knome> yep.
[22:48] <knome> pleia2 is to mail them today
[22:49] <pleia2> oh yes, I'll do that now :)
[22:53] <pleia2> voila
[22:53] <knome> good
[23:01] <madnick> knome: 
[23:01] <knome> madnick, 
[23:02] <madnick> http://www.madnick.se/~madnick/xubuntu/xubuntu-greeter-draft9.png
[23:02] <madnick> how is that for login button?
[23:02] <knome> good. now just bump the lightness of the text in the button and the textboxes a bit up!
[23:02] <madnick> okidokie
[23:54] <micahg> mr_pouit: so, technically, the definition of oversized changed to 703MB, but the live page wasn't updated, so if we're 300k over 700MB, I think we're ok