[14:47] Good morning [14:54] morning :) [15:00] good morning [15:35] I thought we uploaded the new xubuntu-lightdm but I am not seeing it on any tests here [15:35] the new lightdm theme? [15:36] yes [15:36] Nope, we uploaded the new plymouth [15:36] I only uploaded what I got (= plymouth theme :p) [15:36] am I mistaken and we aren't using it yet? [15:36] That explains a lot [15:36] Glad I didn't file a bug for it, too. [15:37] I had problems with getting the greeter running on Oneiric, but it seems to work now, but its not yet 100% done [15:37] Then it is just me, huh? [15:38] I will stop looking to see why I broke it, too ;) [15:40] bug 831370 [15:40] Launchpad bug 831370 in oneconf (Ubuntu) "oneconf crashes constantly on xubuntu oneiric " [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/831370 [15:40] yes [15:41] That hits every install, and sometimes when I run updates too [15:41] There is an older bug for it, if I can find it [15:42] Btw, todays images drops from install to Desktop, but I think there was an install option on the desktop? :P [15:43] There should be [15:43] does somebody know if something has been done to the boot menu logo? [15:44] I mean, it was possible to install it from there [15:44] atleast it started [15:44] knome: Nothing has been done yet. [15:44] low priority [15:44] How's the website looking? [15:45] charlie-tca, imo the logo is highish priority, and it's really easy to do, so it would be a shame if we *still* didn't get the new logo in :( [15:45] charlie-tca, the website looks fine. i think i need some time with pleia2 and we're done [15:45] The logo is not high priority, it is a nice to get it done thing [15:46] if i dont have a bluethoot device will the bluethoot config fail? [15:46] GridCube: probably [15:46] charlie-tca, from my point of view, it's one of the highest priority stuff. we already slacked off a few releases not changing it. [15:46] scrot isnt installed by default [15:47] Okay, mark it high priority for you only [15:47] It is not a high priority item for Xubuntu. [15:47] charlie-tca, i have, and that's why i'm asking about it again and again [15:47] We have very high importance items to get done. The logo is almost in wishlist as far it goes [15:48] charlie-tca, i understand. but don't blame me for asking. [15:48] asking is fine, but pushing it as high is not so okay. It really is not high importance [15:49] I need images that work, and a refreshed website. Those are important to get done [15:50] in terms of getting the branding up-to-date, the logo is nearly as important as the website. just saying. no need to start arguing about it. [15:50] http://imagebin.org/ [15:50] http://imagebin.org/169132 [15:50] XD [15:51] GridCube, wow, the shot looks freaky with twho different terminal fonts/font sizes [15:51] -h [15:51] one is xterm and other is xfce4-terminal [15:51] GridCube: why do you have gnome-control-center installed? [15:51] its a fresh install [15:52] its oneiric [15:52] really? [15:52] i havent done anything [15:52] i just cliked the bluethoot thing [15:52] mr_pouit: do we need that? [15:52] Bluetooth should fail if you don't have the capability, I think. [15:53] yes i figured that much [15:53] gnome-control-center should not be installed for Xubuntu, though [15:53] run apt-cache policy gnome-control-center [15:53] the warning message was the thing that bothered me [15:53] see if it is installed [15:54] http://imagebin.org/1691 [15:54] http://imagebin.org/169133 [15:55] Thus the reason for the error. report the warning/crash as a bug then. Make sure to add that about gnome-control-center, usually copy and paste the apt-cache policy stuff [15:56] We should not get a crash from that [15:57] >ubuntu-bug gnome-control-center [15:57] ? [15:57] yes, try that [15:57] as to the oneconf bug, can you attach the /var/log/installer logs to it? [15:58] sure [15:58] D: there is no mousepad [15:59] leafpad [15:59] :) [16:00] Not sure, but I think that is bug 828758 [16:01] Launchpad bug 828758 in oneconf (Ubuntu) "oneconf-query crashed with DBusException in __new__(): org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.NoServer: Failed to connect to socket /tmp/dbus-rAulHuvLyM: Connection refused" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/828758 [16:08] I am offered partial upgrade, but I can not do even that: could not download the upgrades e.g. failed to fetch some python package from http://fi.archive.ubuntu.com/ [16:17] Well, maybe I try later. [16:38] sorry /chores [16:39] what part of /var/log/installer/ you want? [16:39] all of it? [16:51] at least syslog [16:51] dmesg if it is there, too [16:51] Hoping it will show why that oneconf is crashing [17:19] appended all [17:19] bug 831488 [17:19] Launchpad bug 831488 in gnome-control-center (Ubuntu) "gnome-control-center not found on xubuntu oneiric when launching bluethoot device" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/831488 [17:21] looking [17:26] Good [17:26] Hm, apport is not attaching any logs to these bugs [17:26] That is a problem [17:26] mmm [17:26] what do you need then? [17:27] quadrapassel fails to launch [17:27] buging it [17:27] the game? [17:27] again? [17:27] yes [17:27] yes [17:27] or maybe still? [17:28] probably [17:28] so i dont bug it? [17:28] ever did work last release [17:28] im lauching everything to see if it works [17:28] :P [17:28] attach syslog and dmesg to the bugs [17:28] find them in /var/log [17:28] to all? [17:29] yes, if it doesn't do it, you should. We have to have a log that shows why things fail [17:31] quadrapassel might be regression according to bug 561734 [17:31] Launchpad bug 561734 in mesa (Ubuntu) "quadrapassel doesn't start: Failed to initialise clutter: Unable to select the newly created GLX context" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/561734 [17:31] Try in terminal and see what happens. If it gives the same errors, it is a regression [17:33] Quadrapassel = Gnome (Something) and hasn't worked since 6.10 for me really (since it had it's old name) [17:34] One of those games I try each release... [17:35] oh, hell [17:35] one of those gnome games broken by the gtk2 to gtk3 upgrades or gnome3 upgrades [17:36] its the same [17:36] glx stuff [17:36] yup [17:36] i report it again? [17:36] falls under the same bug as solitare won't work [17:36] Err... Not quadrapassel, Same Gnome [17:36] or just click this happens to me again? [17:36] click again [17:37] No point in reporting another bug [17:38] Lot of things are still broken by the upgrade; remains to be seen what will get fixed [17:39] shimmer looks wrong [17:39] i mean greybird [17:41] see http://imagebin.org/169149 [17:42] the arrows are n ot the same, i think you are giving an old version of greybird [17:45] Did ochosi give us the updated greybird? [17:45] * GridCube shrugs [17:46] As far as I know, he never pushed it into updates [17:46] oh, well [17:46] its not the same im using now, im using his latets :/ [17:53] there dmesg and syslog attached to both bugs 831488 and 831370 [17:53] Launchpad bug 831488 in gnome-control-center (Ubuntu) "gnome-control-center not found on xubuntu oneiric when launching bluethoot device" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/831488 [17:53] Launchpad bug 831370 in oneconf (Ubuntu) "oneconf crashes constantly on xubuntu oneiric " [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/831370 [17:53] :D [17:55] Thank you [17:55] the amount of udev errors at boot time is increasing [17:57] users-admin doesnt work, but you knew that one already [17:59] yup [17:59] no report then? [17:59] The aisleriot solitair should have failed too [17:59] no report needed for users-admin [17:59] there is no such thing [18:00] good, then we removed it until it gets fixed [18:07] !nicde [18:07] !nice [18:07] 'Nice' is a property of a process that determines how willing it is to give CPU time to other processes. A higher value makes it more likely to give away time. A negative value makes it less likely. Values are from -19 to 19, with 0 being the default. For more information, type 'man nice' at a terminal. [18:09] imagebin.org/169153 [18:09] :| i don't like ff6 [18:09] What factoid were you looking for? [18:09] I've never used FF6 actually... [18:09] yup [18:09] same errors [18:10] its mozilla chrome [18:10] Apparently, some packages are out of date again [18:10] I know what they are doing to it as I'm using FF8 now (Skipped from 5 > 7 back when most people were still using 5 :P ) [18:12] As close as I can guess, they are going to make firefox a nightmare soon. No more version numbers visible to the user, maybe follow in IE's footsteps? [18:12] lol [18:12] if i wanted to use chrome i would use chrome [18:12] ^^ [18:13] heh [18:13] I guess I will wait and see what develops from it [18:13] If I wanted to use a crappy browser, I would already be using it [18:13] i will move to another browser soon if they keep pushing chrome down my trhoat [18:13] I did not know mozilla wants you to use chrome [18:13] please they are doing everything to be like them [18:14] up tabs, hidding http and "highlighting domains" [18:14] one single menu for everything, no options [18:14] changing version numbers so no addon can work [18:15] /rant [18:15] Hiding http isn't nice, but highlighting the domain part doesn't bother me [18:15] yeah i could live whit that [18:16] but if i have a blog, my blog name will be greyed out and the server will stand out [18:16] Tabs are not on top with me, there are multi menus, but the version numbers are getting a little out there... [18:16] well i give firefox a pro point on that, they let you revert most of the things they do [18:17] but its kind of annoying, that in every update i have to go arround looking for ways to "undo" stuff they did [18:17] Tip: status-4-ever [18:17] i know about that, but its ridiculous [18:17] that now, you need an addon for something that should be there to beging whit [18:18] also thats other thing they took from chrome [18:18] Yes it should stay as default, they are changing some things that I wouldn't, and don't, want changed [18:18] thank god for Firefox 1.5 [18:18] 1.5? [18:19] best version :) it had all that stuff [18:19] 3.6 still gets updates though [18:19] i still use that [18:19] 3.6 [18:19] I must give them that FF8 seems a bit faster [18:19] on this box, its the main reason why i don change 10.04 [18:19] (Faster than FF&) [18:20] Firefox renders my raycasting faster than Chrome ^^ [18:20] also since ff6 update on my work's machine it hangs every 40 minuts, clock [18:20] Xubuntu community meeting in #xubuntu-devel in 40 minutes. Everyone is invited to attend. Agenda is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Meetings [18:21] Wow, didn't even remember that was today... [18:29] finally! a reminder that gets noticed ;) [18:30] I'm always glad to get them! I just used to not be able to make it (The reason I can now is sad, but works) [19:00] maybe we shouldn't use the gnome bluetooth thing [19:00] blueman was working pretty well last time I checked [19:00] (and I don't think it needs gnome-control-center) [19:00] That could well be, but we are getting that same outdated packages error on a lot of things [19:01] mr_pouit: you ready for the meetingt? [19:01] I am all for getting rid of gnome-??? as much as we can, since they seem to want to pull in so much most of the time. [19:02] #startmeeting [19:02] Meeting started Mon Aug 22 19:02:01 2011 UTC. The chair is charlie-tca. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlanBell/mootbot. [19:02] Useful Commands: #topic #action #link #idea #voters #vote #chair #action #agreed #help #info #endmeeting. [19:02] :) [19:02] meeting time? [19:02] [TOPIC] Agenda for today's meeting: [19:02] TOPIC: Agenda for today's meeting: [19:02] * Old business [19:02] * Team updates [19:03] * Packaging & Development [19:03] * Bug Triage & Testing [19:03] * Website & Marketing [19:03] * Artwork [19:03] * Documentation [19:03] * Announcements [19:03] * Governance structure [19:03] * Any Other Business [19:03] Reminder: please use ".." on separate line when you've finished typing. If someone wants to comment during the updates, please "o/", so we know to wait. [19:03] The agenda is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Meetings [19:03] [TOPIC] === Old Business === [19:03] TOPIC: === Old Business === [19:03] geany has a delay when trying to use the right click menu [19:04] GridCube to put together the "TOP 10" for Xubuntu - In-work [19:04] If anyone has something in particular they think should be in the list, please tell GridCube [19:04] hard week [19:04] so, slow progress? [19:04] no progress, hope to get it done this week [19:04] .. [19:05] Thank you, GridCube [19:05] Your efforts are apreciated! [19:05] madnick to look into building a lightdm greeter - In-work [19:05] oh yes telling me its cool, its hard to see what its important to add [19:05] madnick: how we doing? [19:05] .. [19:05] Doing OK, the greeter itself works [19:06] Its not finished, but the problem i have is with --test-mode ) [19:06] But I hope to be done by this week [19:06] Maybe they broke that mode now? [19:06] mr_pouit: what's the latest date we have to be done by? [19:06] Maybe, It just twitches and dies and no logs on it [19:06] UI freeze is on next thursday iirc [19:07] .. [19:07] so, we need to get lightdm in by the 25th [19:07] charlie-tca to start a release checklist page for Xubuntu [19:07] I forgot [19:07] will get this going this week [19:08] Hello all :) [19:08] Hello, Olbi [19:08] hello Olbi [19:08] Welcome to the Xubuntu Community Meeting [19:08] Any questions on old business? [19:08] any old business we missed? [19:08] not that i recall [19:09] WWII [19:09] thats pretty much done [19:09] [TOPIC] === Team updates === [19:09] TOPIC: === Team updates === [19:09] [TOPIC] ==== Packaging & Development ==== [19:09] TOPIC: ==== Packaging & Development ==== [19:09] mr_pouit: ?? [19:09] o/ [19:10] GridCube: question? [19:10] what happened to mousepad and scrot [19:10] ? [19:10] mousepad has been replaced by leafpad [19:10] \o/ [19:10] \o/ [19:10] oh.. i see. ok. [19:10] They broke mousepad bad for us [19:10] mousepad doesn't even function properly for me in natty :/ [19:10] .. [19:11] (mousepad is supposed to be a better fork of leafpad, but mousepad isn't well maintained currently, and leafpad has some activity upstream, and uses teh gtk+ printing api) [19:11] okay [19:11] and scrot? [19:11] was it in the default package set? [19:11] I don't think so [19:12] dunno, in today test install it wasnt there [19:12] !info scrot [19:12] scrot (source: scrot): command line screen capture utility. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.8-13 (natty), package size 15 kB, installed size 72 kB [19:13] snapshot? [19:13] screenshot [19:13] was missing from Accessiories? [19:13] the problem is that using print screen key doesnt work if you have the panels locked, so [19:14] when you want to screenshot something that hangs the panels., like an error you have to launch it from a terminal [19:14] and scrot is faster to write than xfce4-screenshoter [19:15] .. [19:15] oh [19:15] we have never installed scrot by default [19:16] GridCube: really? printscreen should call the xfce4-screenshooter binary, not the panel plugin, so it should work afaik [19:16] no [19:16] if it doesn't, please file a bug [19:16] no keybinging work if a panel is open [19:16] like configuration or something like that [19:16] it never did [19:16] ah, yeah, because it gets the focus [19:17] if you launch the start menu, forget about keybindings [19:17] (and grabs the keyboard, etc. like when a menu is opened) [19:17] yes that [19:17] yeah [19:17] maybe shutter? http://shutter-project.org/ [19:17] what is the benefit of locking the panel? [19:17] is better than scrot :] [19:17] I think it's a problem (or call that a design choice) of gtk [19:17] nah, it just takes installing scrot [19:17] and launching scrot is faster, i could xfce4-sc[tab][tab] but is faster to scrot [19:18] mr_pouit: what about seeding scrot? Is it possible? [19:18] nevermind i though it was on previous versions [19:18] GridCube, xfce4-screenshotter is part of default xfce [19:18] scrot is a command line application [19:18] i don't think we want to replace something graphical with something command line [19:18] i must have installed it back in the day on 10.04 [19:18] scrt will be very usfell, specially when u are tested livecd [19:19] especially since new users aren't going to want to open a terminal just to take a screenshot :\ [19:19] charlie-tca: daily alternate/i386 is already oversized by ~300k, I'd like to avoid that [19:19] good enough [19:19] so for graphical take shutter, and for cmd scrot [19:19] if a user really wants it, they should install it then [19:19] ^ [19:19] no, as i said, i though it was there back on 10.04 but i must have installed it myself [19:19] It really is a matter of the number of letters needed to run the app [19:19] yes [19:19] GridCube, create an alias [19:20] xubuntu is for devel or fo users?:P [19:20] Xubuntu is for users. We do what is best for the user, almost all the time. [19:20] echo 'alias sshot="xfce4-screenshotter"' >> ~/.bashrc [19:20] :) [19:20] :P it would be faster to launch xfce4-screenshoter that create an alias and then launch it, so never mind [19:21] .. [19:21] maybe script for xfce4-screenshoter ? [19:21] The point was, whether in live session or installed session, scrot is faster to type the xfce4-screenshooter [19:21] which will be called screenshot? [19:21] but just hitting the prntscrn key brings up xfce4-screenshotter [19:21] It doesn't matter which one he uses, they both will do the same job for it. [19:21] this wouldn't work with scrot since scrot is command line [19:22] i came in late so sorry if i'm back tracking here, but are keyboard shortcuts broken in oneric? [19:22] okay, let's continue with the meeting. [19:22] yes please [19:22] no, you can't use them when a panel app is hung [19:22] mr_pouit: do you have a developer update today? [19:22] yep [19:22] floor is your's [19:22] Okay, so, last week, xubuntu-default-settings was updated to set the default session & greeter for lightdm \o/; some xubuntu-artwork uploads for the plymouth themes (more to come when madnick and knome are around at the same time); I fixed the build failure of abiword, and micahg fixed some package conflicts (the gtk themes have been moved from xubuntu-artwork to murrine-themes). [19:23] Yesterday I dropped "de" language packs from i386 daily live to make it fit again in 700M (it wasn't in amd64, only in i386 because "we're supposed to have much free space there" :/). [19:23] mr_pouit, what do you need from us? :) [19:23] .. [19:23] I think abiword isnt good ass default aplication for text writing [19:23] knome: the 16b theme support :p [19:24] mr_pouit, okay, i've provided the files for madnick [19:24] except the logo! :P [19:24] hmm? [19:24] wrong.. [19:24] http://temp.knome.fi/xubuntu/oneiric_plymouth/xubuntu_logo_lowdepth.png [19:24] maybe install by default writer and calc only? they arent so hardly for systems :P [19:24] there you go [19:24] oh okay :) [19:24] Olbi: can it wait until we get to Other? [19:24] ok [19:25] charlie-tca: ok [19:25] Thanks, mr_pouit. You guys stay pretty busy, I am glad you are on top of things [19:26] no, thank you ;-) [19:26] knome, madnick : that is the last thing for lightdm, right? [19:26] no more questions? [19:26] o/ [19:26] charlie-tca: for plymouth [19:26] https://launchpad.net/bugs/831488 [19:26] Ubuntu bug 831488 in gnome-control-center (Ubuntu) "gnome-control-center not found on xubuntu oneiric when launching bluetooth device" [Undecided,New] [19:26] mr_pouit: maybe-ubiquity is just the app that takes the cd menu away [19:26] we still need to update the logo for the menu [19:27] charlie-tca, this was for plymouth. if we have some time, i'd actually want to talk about a few minor issues in lightdm [19:27] well, doesn't take it away, but hides it from the users [19:27] charlie-tca, the UI freeze is on WED, so we need time until tomorrow noon to make absolutely last minute changes? [19:27] charlie-tca: yeah, all other variants/derivatives/ use it, don't they? [19:27] It gives Ubuntu the "install now" and "try now" menu late in the boot process instead of the cd menu [19:28] I don't remember if they all use it. [19:28] You want the menu hidden? [19:28] I will have it activated if we do want it. [19:28] Shouldn't take effort here, installer does it all [19:29] but I still need to get the logo on the menu updated, since pressing a key gives the user the same menu we have [19:29] I recall it was a bit nicer, but I didn't use an ubuntu/kubuntu iso for a long time ;> [19:29] Okay [19:29] I will tell them do it to us [19:29] o/ i'm just having a talk with NCommander on the livecd menu logo [19:29] okay, if it's too risky, we can delay that for O+1 [19:29] knome: lightdm? [19:29] no, before that [19:30] yay [19:30] UI freeze is at August 25, 2011 at 21:00 UTC [19:31] oh, so aug 24 is the last day to submit things? [19:31] So, Thursday about 1 and a half hours from now [19:31] well, the wiki said last minute updates should be made 1 day earlier [19:31] Preferred to get things in wednesday, yes [19:32] yeah. [19:32] madnick, do you have some time today? [19:32] I guess sleep will have to wait until friday :| [19:32] knome: yes [19:32]