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hylianxfce doesn't power down or reboot, it just logs out, please help...03:08
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OlbiI have question, some ppl on xfce mailing list said that xubuntu doesn't have newest packages, f.e. Thunar or patch gvfs problem10:23
OlbiIs there some1 who could do packages for it?10:23
knomethere is newer packages in oneiric.10:27
knomeof course, it's not possible to keep up day-to-day, as we're releasing a new version only every 6 months10:28
knomemost of the critical bugs should be fixed in stable release updates, too, for older versions10:28
Olbibut in oneiric will be same Xfce 4.8.x so why it is problem to get update of current line?10:46
knome4.10 is not stable10:47
Olbibut i mean 4.8.x, not next line :)10:48
Sysilittle packagers, only one? and he has life too10:50
knomei do think mrhas uploaded the most sensible and most recent xfce in xubuntu10:50
knomes/mrhas/mr_pouit has/10:51
Sysifile a bug if there's problem that is fixed in newer version10:52
Alan<3 the greybird theme....10:58
AlanEspecially the fact it THEMES CHROME NICELY!10:58
Alannot particularly nice to have to fix specifically for one application, but awesome that greybird does10:58
ochosiAlan, thanks :)11:04
Alanochosi: oh cool, you're responsible for that?11:11
* Alan just used some google-fu to check11:11
knomeAlan, he is11:26
ochosiAlan, yeah, sry, was away. and in fact i'll be off in a minute again11:28
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LABcrabWhy is Xubuntu so bloaty?  It is like eating a bad sandwich at Subway!12:59
JensitLABcrab just kick out the stuff you don't need and then it's much better than KDE as i think ;)13:00
LABcrabJensit: i don't get it.  i've heard Xu uses more ram than Ub.13:01
JensitLABcrab: really? it's not feeling like that for me.... is used Xubuntu and Ubuntu on my Desktop and on my DEsktop Xubuntu is using about the same RAm13:01
JensitBut on my notebook i prefer ubuntu because of unity13:02
LABcrabJensit: i almost don't see the point of Xubuntu.  It's like Kubuntu, but i see some niche for that.  But Xubuntu?13:02
JensitKubuntu doesn't really work very well on my mashine... dont really know why, so i have chosen xubuntu :)13:03
LABcrabIn Unity there's a glitch where the Mac OS X Dock like thing won't hide.13:03
Myrtti"I've heard X uses more RAM than Z" is a kind of arbitrary claim. Linux in general uses all the available RAM anyway, and comparing results on different machines is useless13:04
JensitMyrtti: right13:04
LABcrabMyrtti: Why can't you say "BAD Linux!  Only use 128 MB of RAM and no more!"13:05
Myrttiwell, not exactly all the available RAM... but it releases it differently to other OS's13:05
MyrttiLABcrab: ... errr...13:06
MyrttiLABcrab: then what exactly would be the point of having more than 128MB of RAM?13:06
LABcrabMyrtti: Like if you want a virtual pc.13:07
Jensitthen it will always freeze when you reach the 128MB13:07
LABcrabAww is that why sometimes it has a swap but it's very slow and the hard drive makes a lot of noise?13:08
ubottuIf you are wondering why some tools report your system has very little free memory, have a look at http://www.linuxatemyram.com/ | A short primer on Linux memory management can be found here: http://sourcefrog.net/weblog/software/linux-kernel/free-mem.html13:08
OlbiWindows 7 like Linux buffers as much as is need RAM to better perfomance of system. At start my Xubuntu use 237 MB, but after I start work with FF and LO it increse to 500 MB actually used and 1GB buffered. Same is on Windows 7 :)13:16
OlbiOne of the post from xfce mailing list:14:12
OlbiI really appreciate this suggestion. I hadn't even thought of lightdm, so now I have a little chore to do this afternoon.14:12
OlbiThank you for the information, and thank you and all others involved in the project for this terrific desktop environment.14:12
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Macnonotwhere read news about xubuntu?15:38
MacnonotIt nothing news15:39
charlie-tcaWe don't put out too much about it, really15:39
charlie-tcaleft column, latest news15:40
charlie-tcaThat is the news about Xubuntu15:40
MacnonotIt slow update15:41
knomeMacnonot, you can follow the developer mailing list (https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/xubuntu-devel) and the #xubuntu-devel IRC channel, if you want more recent "news"15:42
charlie-tcaand the community meeting, too15:42
knomethat too, but the minutes are posted to the mailing list too15:43
PiciAnd remember that a lot of the 'core' things that happen in Ubuntu are applicable to Xubuntu and the other derivatives.15:43
TheSheepa dog that barks a lot doesn't bite16:06
Synlucan someone hel me with a library?17:07
kupferwhat sort of help are you looking for?17:08
Synluhu this is my first times with xubuntu... I need "libgtk-1.2.so.0" but I can't find it...17:11
Olbiare you compiling something?17:11
charlie-tca!details | Synlu17:12
ubottuSynlu: Please give us full details. For example: "I have a problem with ..., I'm running Ubuntu version .... When I try to do ..., I get the following output: ..., but I expected it to do ..."17:12
SynluI need that for an emulator called epsxe...17:13
Synlu"error while loading shared libraries: libgtk-1.2.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory "17:13
Olbiwhat version of system? Xubuntu 11.04 64bit or another?17:15
kupferthere's some discussion of epsxe and libgtk-1.2 at http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=149943517:16
SynluI think I'm running xubuntu 11.04 32bit17:20
Synluand the link in that discussion give me an error17:20
kupferyeah, I'm looking at that now.17:21
kupferlibgtk1.2 is apparently an old package and not available in recent Ubuntu or Debian releases.17:22
kupferso the forum discussion recommended getting it from an older Ubuntu release (Jaunty), but that release has been end-of-lifed.17:22
kupferthere's another forum discussion that recommends getting it from Hardy, which is still available.17:23
SynluI downloaded it... but.... "error while loading shared libraries: libgtk-1.2.so.0: wrong ELF class: ELFCLASS64"17:29
kupferwhich one did you download?  the amd64 one or the i386 one?17:31
Synluamd64... i386 one gives me an error... but I think I could use gdebi17:33
kupfersorry, I have to sign off--the plumbing has suddenly started making worrying noises17:34
steinemhi can anyone help me out?17:58
ubottuA high percentage of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..." Why not ask your next question (the real one) and find out? See also !details, !gq, and !poll.17:59
steinemHi, So I've installed ubuntu and xubuntu previously, and have had the wireless settings working right out of the box. Now, it doesn't even recognize my network card. I have a thinkpad t410 2516-CTO machine. Can anyone help?Hi, So I've installed ubuntu and xubuntu previously, and have had the wireless settings working right out of the box. Now, it doesn't even recognize my network card. I have a thinkpad t410 2516-CTO machine.18:00
steinem Can anyone help?18:00
ubottuA high percentage of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..." Why not ask your next question (the real one) and find out? See also !details, !gq, and !poll.18:02
charlie-tcaThere is also this one?18:02
ubottuDon't feel ignored and repeat your question quickly; if nobody knows your answer, nobody will answer you. While you wait, try searching https://help.ubuntu.com or http://ubuntuforums.org or http://askubuntu.com/18:02
steinemHi, So I've installed ubuntu and xubuntu previously, and have had the wireless settings working right out of the box. Now, it doesn't even recognize my network card. I have a thinkpad t410 2516-CTO machine. Can anyone help?18:05
Sysirepeating doesn't help18:05
charlie-tcaApparently, no one here has an answeer18:05
Sysirebooted? (more than once)18:06
steinemi've rebooted and have installed all of the updates18:06
psaldenhello, it seems after I've re-enabled pidgin's tray icon, the indicator-messages icon has disappeared for good. Is this a common problem?18:10
kupfersteinem: what have you been using for network control?  wicd?  Network Manager?18:11
kupferand what does lshw report?18:13
charlie-tcapsalden: I haven't heard of it before. What happens when you disable pidgin's tray icon and restart?18:14
psaldencharlie-tca: it remains 'gone' :)18:15
psaldenfunny thing is, there does seem to be some left-over of the icon. A blank space in the tray I can move using right click18:16
psaldenoh and re-installing indicator-messages didn't help either18:16
charlie-tcaCan you file a bug for that using ubuntu-bug xfce4-indicator-plugin please?18:18
charlie-tcaXubuntu community meeting in #xubuntu-devel in 40 minutes. Everyone is invited to attend. Agenda is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Meetings18:20
psaldencharlie-tca: I will do, thanks18:24
cgtdkWhenever I leave Xubuntu 11.04 x64 idle for some time it slows to a crawl. Everything is slow and I have to try to do lots of things to make it speed up again. This has happened on several different PCs.19:22
Sysiinstalled system, not live-cd/usb?19:23
TheSheepcgtdk: when it does slow down, open a terminal, type 'top' into it and see what takes most of the cpu time19:24
TheSheepcgtdk: then press 'OO' (two times capital O) and see what takes most of the memory19:25
TheSheepcgtdk: thats 'OO enter'19:25
cgtdkTheSheep: Alright. Will leave the system idle for some minutes and do it.19:25
TheSheepcgtdk: you can open the terminal now to speed things up later :)19:26
grifo74hello hwo is the minimum memory need to run xubuntu?20:37
Sysiit runs with 256mb but better to have 51220:37
grifo74ok thanks20:43
xunubiHmm, I can't seem to find a "make executable" option when I right click files22:47
madnickchmod +x?22:48
xunubiUsually I just right click > properties, and it's an option in a drop down box22:48
knomexunubi, properties -> tab permissions -> check "allow this file to run as a program"22:48
xunubithe permissions tab just has access rights (all set to read+write) ...there is nothing for "allow file to run as program"22:50
knomexunubi, which xubuntu version?22:53
xunubiI'm running XFCE 4.8.0 and Thunar 1.2.122:53
knomexunubi, well, i do have that checkbox...22:54
xunubiknome: I've tried on various other items, inside .wine and outside, no difference, option simply isn't there.22:55
Unit193knome: Oddly, I do not in X11.0422:55
Unit193But I opened with my alt file manager and I did... Alright I'm a little confused (Same file)22:56
xunubiIs it possible to run Nautilus with xubuntu 11.04 ?22:57
TheSheepI think it only displays it for some file types22:57
knomexunubi, yes, but that's not just as easy as that.22:57
knomepossible, i check with an .sh file22:57
xunubiknome: probably the lazy way anyway, this is puzzling.22:57
TheSheepfor example, it displays it for .py files, but not for .pyc22:57
TheSheep(even though you can normally run .pyc files too)22:58
xunubiknome: so grabbing nautilus from synaptic would likely result in a big headache on my part? :p22:59
knomexunubi, well, nautilus will always steal the desktop unless you run it with --no-desktop22:59
knomexunubi, that's the biggest downside. and it's heavy.22:59
knomexunubi, you probably don't need to make files executable SO OFTEN that you really want to drag all that stuff in just for that.23:00
Unit193If you REALLY want to, you could try pcmanfm :/23:00
knome'chmod +x filename' in terminal works anyway.23:00
xunubiknome: true, could just script it.23:01
xunubiCould not having "xfce4-goodies" have anything to do with it?23:04
knomei don't think so23:06
knomebut then again i'm not sure23:06
xunubiJust installed, will try now, then reboot and try again, at least then you know for the next nubbie who strolls by ;)23:07
xunubiMakes no difference, running thunar from terminal as root also does not make a difference, weird.23:11
xunubichmod +x doesn't work23:25
xunubimy computer hates me today23:25
charlie-tcasudo in front of it? sudo chmod +x filename  ?23:27
xunubiwas root anyways (sudo su)23:28
xunubibut thanks for the suggestion, that does trip me up, more often than I'd like to admit :p23:29
charlie-tcame too23:29
xunubiThis is the only issue I've found with XFCE since I switched over from Gnome, and I really don't want to have to go back to it, so slow by comparison.23:30
xunubiHere is what I get on the permissions tab.  http://i55.tinypic.com/34otqnn.png23:36
charlie-tcaIf you can not change permissions in terminal using chmod, thunar will not do it either, and probably not nautilus, either.23:40
madnickxunubi: so, you are trying to run something23:43
madnickthat should be running with wine23:43
madnickbetter of making a launcher that invokes wine23:43
madnickwith that path23:43
madnickoh lol, thunar does not offer to make launchers either :D:D23:45
charlie-tcaYou can do that with a custom actions, though23:45
charlie-tcaalthough why you want a launcher in thunar is beyond me :)23:46
madnicki used to always make launchers23:46
madnickfor scrips23:46
charlie-tcajust create a desktop launcher23:46
madnickim making one for this guy atm23:46
charlie-tcaeasier than creating a launcher in thunar23:46
charlie-tcaxunubi: See above URL, just create a launcher on the desktop23:48
xunubicharlie-tca: Thanks for the link but it does not translate to the GUI I have when selecting "Create Launcher"23:51
xunubicharlie-tca: here is what I get http://i51.tinypic.com/qnn49h.png23:53
madnickxunubi: paste your "command"23:54
charlie-tcaEverything is right. Just put what is on line 5 in "command:23:54
madnickyour entire command :)23:54
charlie-tcasince it is a launcher, it doesn't need to be set executable23:54
xunubiwhen I click that launcher, it opens my web browser, with 5 tabs, trying to go to chmod +x lol23:57
madnickxunubi: please paste your entire command23:57
xunubimadnick: can't right click the launcher to c+p the line, it launches, can't select properties, it is ghosted out on main toolbar, something seriously broken here.23:59

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