[03:08] <hylian> xfce doesn't power down or reboot, it just logs out, please help...
[10:20] <Olbi> hello
[10:23] <Olbi> I have question, some ppl on xfce mailing list said that xubuntu doesn't have newest packages, f.e. Thunar or patch gvfs problem
[10:23] <Olbi> Is there some1 who could do packages for it?
[10:27] <knome> there is newer packages in oneiric.
[10:28] <knome> of course, it's not possible to keep up day-to-day, as we're releasing a new version only every 6 months
[10:28] <knome> most of the critical bugs should be fixed in stable release updates, too, for older versions
[10:46] <Olbi> but in oneiric will be same Xfce 4.8.x so why it is problem to get update of current line?
[10:47] <knome> 4.10 is not stable
[10:48] <Olbi> but i mean 4.8.x, not next line :)
[10:50] <Sysi> little packagers, only one? and he has life too
[10:50] <knome> i do think mrhas uploaded the most sensible and most recent xfce in xubuntu
[10:51] <knome> s/mrhas/mr_pouit has/
[10:52] <Sysi> file a bug if there's problem that is fixed in newer version
[10:58] <Alan> <3 the greybird theme....
[10:58] <Alan> Especially the fact it THEMES CHROME NICELY!
[10:58] <Alan> not particularly nice to have to fix specifically for one application, but awesome that greybird does
[11:04] <ochosi> Alan, thanks :)
[11:11] <Alan> ochosi: oh cool, you're responsible for that?
[11:11]  * Alan just used some google-fu to check
[11:26] <knome> Alan, he is
[11:28] <ochosi> Alan, yeah, sry, was away. and in fact i'll be off in a minute again
[12:59] <LABcrab> Why is Xubuntu so bloaty?  It is like eating a bad sandwich at Subway!
[13:00] <Jensit> LABcrab just kick out the stuff you don't need and then it's much better than KDE as i think ;)
[13:01] <LABcrab> Jensit: i don't get it.  i've heard Xu uses more ram than Ub.
[13:01] <Jensit> LABcrab: really? it's not feeling like that for me.... is used Xubuntu and Ubuntu on my Desktop and on my DEsktop Xubuntu is using about the same RAm
[13:02] <Jensit> But on my notebook i prefer ubuntu because of unity
[13:02] <LABcrab> Jensit: i almost don't see the point of Xubuntu.  It's like Kubuntu, but i see some niche for that.  But Xubuntu?
[13:03] <Jensit> Kubuntu doesn't really work very well on my mashine... dont really know why, so i have chosen xubuntu :)
[13:03] <LABcrab> In Unity there's a glitch where the Mac OS X Dock like thing won't hide.
[13:04] <Myrtti> "I've heard X uses more RAM than Z" is a kind of arbitrary claim. Linux in general uses all the available RAM anyway, and comparing results on different machines is useless
[13:04] <Jensit> Myrtti: right
[13:05] <LABcrab> Myrtti: Why can't you say "BAD Linux!  Only use 128 MB of RAM and no more!"
[13:05] <Myrtti> well, not exactly all the available RAM... but it releases it differently to other OS's
[13:06] <Myrtti> LABcrab: ... errr...
[13:06] <Myrtti> LABcrab: then what exactly would be the point of having more than 128MB of RAM?
[13:07] <LABcrab> Myrtti: Like if you want a virtual pc.
[13:07] <Jensit> then it will always freeze when you reach the 128MB
[13:08] <LABcrab> Aww is that why sometimes it has a swap but it's very slow and the hard drive makes a lot of noise?
[13:08] <Pici> !ram
[13:16] <Olbi> Windows 7 like Linux buffers as much as is need RAM to better perfomance of system. At start my Xubuntu use 237 MB, but after I start work with FF and LO it increse to 500 MB actually used and 1GB buffered. Same is on Windows 7 :)
[14:12] <Olbi> One of the post from xfce mailing list:
[14:12] <Olbi> I really appreciate this suggestion. I hadn't even thought of lightdm, so now I have a little chore to do this afternoon.
[14:12] <Olbi> ;-)
[14:12] <Olbi> Thank you for the information, and thank you and all others involved in the project for this terrific desktop environment.
[14:12] <Olbi> :)
[14:12] <Olbi> xD
[14:12] <GridCube> :D
[15:38] <Macnonot> where read news about xubuntu?
[15:38] <charlie-tca> http://xubuntu.org
[15:39] <Macnonot> It nothing news
[15:39] <charlie-tca> We don't put out too much about it, really
[15:40] <charlie-tca> left column, latest news
[15:40] <charlie-tca> That is the news about Xubuntu
[15:41] <Macnonot> It slow update
[15:42] <knome> Macnonot, you can follow the developer mailing list (https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/xubuntu-devel) and the #xubuntu-devel IRC channel, if you want more recent "news"
[15:42] <charlie-tca> and the community meeting, too
[15:43] <knome> that too, but the minutes are posted to the mailing list too
[15:43] <Pici> And remember that a lot of the 'core' things that happen in Ubuntu are applicable to Xubuntu and the other derivatives.
[15:43] <Macnonot> Um
[15:45] <Macnonot> thank
[16:06] <TheSheep> a dog that barks a lot doesn't bite
[17:06] <Synlu> hello...
[17:07] <Synlu> can someone hel me with a library?
[17:08] <kupfer> what sort of help are you looking for?
[17:11] <Synlu> hu this is my first times with xubuntu... I need "libgtk-1.2.so.0" but I can't find it...
[17:11] <Olbi> are you compiling something?
[17:12] <charlie-tca> !details | Synlu
[17:13] <Synlu> I need that for an emulator called epsxe...
[17:13] <Synlu> "error while loading shared libraries: libgtk-1.2.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory "
[17:15] <Olbi> what version of system? Xubuntu 11.04 64bit or another?
[17:16] <kupfer> there's some discussion of epsxe and libgtk-1.2 at http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1499435
[17:20] <Synlu> I think I'm running xubuntu 11.04 32bit
[17:20] <Synlu> and the link in that discussion give me an error
[17:21] <kupfer> yeah, I'm looking at that now.
[17:22] <kupfer> libgtk1.2 is apparently an old package and not available in recent Ubuntu or Debian releases.
[17:22] <kupfer> so the forum discussion recommended getting it from an older Ubuntu release (Jaunty), but that release has been end-of-lifed.
[17:23] <kupfer> there's another forum discussion that recommends getting it from Hardy, which is still available.
[17:23] <kupfer> http://packages.ubuntu.com/hardy/libgtk1.2
[17:23] <kupfer> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1468422
[17:29] <Synlu> I downloaded it... but.... "error while loading shared libraries: libgtk-1.2.so.0: wrong ELF class: ELFCLASS64"
[17:31] <kupfer> which one did you download?  the amd64 one or the i386 one?
[17:33] <Synlu> amd64... i386 one gives me an error... but I think I could use gdebi
[17:34] <kupfer> sorry, I have to sign off--the plumbing has suddenly started making worrying noises
[17:58] <steinem> hi can anyone help me out?
[17:59] <GridCube> !anyone
[18:00] <steinem> Hi, So I've installed ubuntu and xubuntu previously, and have had the wireless settings working right out of the box. Now, it doesn't even recognize my network card. I have a thinkpad t410 2516-CTO machine. Can anyone help?Hi, So I've installed ubuntu and xubuntu previously, and have had the wireless settings working right out of the box. Now, it doesn't even recognize my network card. I have a thinkpad t410 2516-CTO machine.
[18:00] <steinem>  Can anyone help?
[18:02] <steinem> !anyone
[18:02] <charlie-tca> There is also this one?
[18:02] <charlie-tca> !patience
[18:05] <steinem> Hi, So I've installed ubuntu and xubuntu previously, and have had the wireless settings working right out of the box. Now, it doesn't even recognize my network card. I have a thinkpad t410 2516-CTO machine. Can anyone help?
[18:05] <Sysi> repeating doesn't help
[18:05] <charlie-tca> Apparently, no one here has an answeer
[18:06] <Sysi> rebooted? (more than once)
[18:06] <steinem> i've rebooted and have installed all of the updates
[18:10] <psalden> hello, it seems after I've re-enabled pidgin's tray icon, the indicator-messages icon has disappeared for good. Is this a common problem?
[18:11] <kupfer> steinem: what have you been using for network control?  wicd?  Network Manager?
[18:13] <kupfer> and what does lshw report?
[18:14] <charlie-tca> psalden: I haven't heard of it before. What happens when you disable pidgin's tray icon and restart?
[18:15] <psalden> charlie-tca: it remains 'gone' :)
[18:16] <psalden> funny thing is, there does seem to be some left-over of the icon. A blank space in the tray I can move using right click
[18:16] <psalden> oh and re-installing indicator-messages didn't help either
[18:18] <charlie-tca> Can you file a bug for that using ubuntu-bug xfce4-indicator-plugin please?
[18:20] <charlie-tca> Xubuntu community meeting in #xubuntu-devel in 40 minutes. Everyone is invited to attend. Agenda is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Meetings
[18:24] <psalden> charlie-tca: I will do, thanks
[19:22] <cgtdk> Whenever I leave Xubuntu 11.04 x64 idle for some time it slows to a crawl. Everything is slow and I have to try to do lots of things to make it speed up again. This has happened on several different PCs.
[19:23] <Sysi> installed system, not live-cd/usb?
[19:23] <cgtdk> Yup
[19:24] <TheSheep> cgtdk: when it does slow down, open a terminal, type 'top' into it and see what takes most of the cpu time
[19:25] <TheSheep> cgtdk: then press 'OO' (two times capital O) and see what takes most of the memory
[19:25] <TheSheep> cgtdk: thats 'OO enter'
[19:25] <cgtdk> TheSheep: Alright. Will leave the system idle for some minutes and do it.
[19:26] <TheSheep> cgtdk: you can open the terminal now to speed things up later :)
[20:37] <grifo74> hello hwo is the minimum memory need to run xubuntu?
[20:37] <Sysi> it runs with 256mb but better to have 512
[20:43] <grifo74> ok thanks
[22:47] <xunubi> Hmm, I can't seem to find a "make executable" option when I right click files
[22:48] <madnick> chmod +x?
[22:48] <xunubi> Usually I just right click > properties, and it's an option in a drop down box
[22:48] <knome> xunubi, properties -> tab permissions -> check "allow this file to run as a program"
[22:50] <xunubi> the permissions tab just has access rights (all set to read+write) ...there is nothing for "allow file to run as program"
[22:53] <knome> xunubi, which xubuntu version?
[22:53] <xunubi> I'm running XFCE 4.8.0 and Thunar 1.2.1
[22:53] <xunubi> 11.04
[22:54] <knome> xunubi, well, i do have that checkbox...
[22:55] <xunubi> knome: I've tried on various other items, inside .wine and outside, no difference, option simply isn't there.
[22:55] <Unit193> knome: Oddly, I do not in X11.04
[22:56] <Unit193> But I opened with my alt file manager and I did... Alright I'm a little confused (Same file)
[22:57] <xunubi> Is it possible to run Nautilus with xubuntu 11.04 ?
[22:57] <TheSheep> I think it only displays it for some file types
[22:57] <knome> xunubi, yes, but that's not just as easy as that.
[22:57] <knome> possible, i check with an .sh file
[22:57] <xunubi> knome: probably the lazy way anyway, this is puzzling.
[22:57] <TheSheep> for example, it displays it for .py files, but not for .pyc
[22:58] <TheSheep> (even though you can normally run .pyc files too)
[22:59] <xunubi> knome: so grabbing nautilus from synaptic would likely result in a big headache on my part? :p
[22:59] <knome> xunubi, well, nautilus will always steal the desktop unless you run it with --no-desktop
[22:59] <knome> xunubi, that's the biggest downside. and it's heavy.
[23:00] <knome> xunubi, you probably don't need to make files executable SO OFTEN that you really want to drag all that stuff in just for that.
[23:00] <Unit193> If you REALLY want to, you could try pcmanfm :/
[23:00] <knome> 'chmod +x filename' in terminal works anyway.
[23:01] <xunubi> knome: true, could just script it.
[23:04] <xunubi> Could not having "xfce4-goodies" have anything to do with it?
[23:06] <knome> i don't think so
[23:06] <knome> but then again i'm not sure
[23:07] <xunubi> Just installed, will try now, then reboot and try again, at least then you know for the next nubbie who strolls by ;)
[23:11] <xunubi> Makes no difference, running thunar from terminal as root also does not make a difference, weird.
[23:25] <xunubi> chmod +x doesn't work
[23:25] <xunubi> my computer hates me today
[23:27] <charlie-tca> sudo in front of it? sudo chmod +x filename  ?
[23:28] <xunubi> was root anyways (sudo su)
[23:29] <xunubi> but thanks for the suggestion, that does trip me up, more often than I'd like to admit :p
[23:29] <charlie-tca> me too
[23:30] <xunubi> This is the only issue I've found with XFCE since I switched over from Gnome, and I really don't want to have to go back to it, so slow by comparison.
[23:36] <xunubi> Here is what I get on the permissions tab.  http://i55.tinypic.com/34otqnn.png
[23:40] <charlie-tca> If you can not change permissions in terminal using chmod, thunar will not do it either, and probably not nautilus, either.
[23:43] <madnick> xunubi: so, you are trying to run something
[23:43] <madnick> that should be running with wine
[23:43] <madnick> better of making a launcher that invokes wine
[23:43] <madnick> with that path
[23:43] <madnick> :)
[23:45] <madnick> oh lol, thunar does not offer to make launchers either :D:D
[23:45] <charlie-tca> You can do that with a custom actions, though
[23:46] <charlie-tca> although why you want a launcher in thunar is beyond me :)
[23:46] <madnick> :D
[23:46] <madnick> i used to always make launchers
[23:46] <madnick> for scrips
[23:46] <charlie-tca> just create a desktop launcher
[23:46] <madnick> yep
[23:46] <madnick> im making one for this guy atm
[23:46] <charlie-tca> easier than creating a launcher in thunar
[23:47] <madnick> http://pastebin.madnick.se/paste.php?id=4e52ea86bfd89
[23:48] <charlie-tca> xunubi: See above URL, just create a launcher on the desktop
[23:51] <xunubi> charlie-tca: Thanks for the link but it does not translate to the GUI I have when selecting "Create Launcher"
[23:53] <xunubi> charlie-tca: here is what I get http://i51.tinypic.com/qnn49h.png
[23:54] <madnick> xunubi: paste your "command"
[23:54] <charlie-tca> Everything is right. Just put what is on line 5 in "command:
[23:54] <madnick> your entire command :)
[23:54] <charlie-tca> since it is a launcher, it doesn't need to be set executable
[23:57] <xunubi> when I click that launcher, it opens my web browser, with 5 tabs, trying to go to chmod +x lol
[23:57] <madnick> xunubi: please paste your entire command
[23:59] <xunubi> madnick: can't right click the launcher to c+p the line, it launches, can't select properties, it is ghosted out on main toolbar, something seriously broken here.