[01:13] <jo-erlend> I've upgraded to oneiric on my laptop. It's a good thing it's not going to be released yet. :)
[01:52] <IdleOne> !schedule
[03:05] <jo-erlend> is desktopcouch broken for everyone at the moment? I can't even connect to the local instance now.
[06:24] <DanaG> I seem to have missed the TouxhPad boat.
[06:24] <DanaG> Arfg, stupid iPod keyboard.
[06:26] <farciarz84> hi, I got really strange error after dist-upgrade
[06:26] <farciarz84> skype: error while loading shared libraries: libXss.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[06:27] <farciarz84> what can I do? Please help me cause I need skype immediatly
[06:39] <jbicha> farciarz84: I don't use Skype but are you using a 64-bit Ubuntu install?
[09:15] <jtaylor> hm hes gone already, but if that problem reappears: one needs to enable multiarch and install a couple of libraries: libxss1:i386 libqtcore4:i386 libqt4-dbus:i386 libqtgui4:i386
[09:21] <jtaylor> or install skype:i386 which should have the same effect
[10:52] <bullgard4_> What is the UID of the Guest account that GNOME 3 offers by default? I could not find it in /etc/passwd.
[12:19] <BluesKaj> Hey  all
[13:57] <anadon> what do I do to get valid signatures for the repositories?  For some reason, apt-get thinks they're all invalid.
[13:58] <jtaylor> do apt-update again
[13:58] <jtaylor> that helps sometimes
[13:58] <anadon> tried
[13:58] <jtaylor> apt-get update
[13:58] <anadon> that's how I found out
[13:59] <BluesKaj> try dist-upgrade
[13:59] <anadon> sec
[13:59] <anadon> it kept back the mono upgrade...
[13:59] <anadon> didn't solve it
[14:00] <anadon> there's a problem with the gpg singnatures.
[14:00] <Pici> Can you pastebin the exact error message you are getting?
[14:00] <anadon> sec
[14:00] <BluesKaj> did you apt-upgrade
[14:01] <anadon> http://pastebin.com/FKTe18Z9
[14:01] <anadon> that's from apt-get update
[14:02] <anadon> also, I'm trying to re-install grub and it can't find dependencies
[14:02] <anadon> grub-efi-amd64
[14:04] <anadon> what do?
[14:12] <anadon> hello?  Did I loose everyone?
[14:13]  * yofel is constantly getting BADSIG from a private PPA, but not for the archive...
[14:52] <anadon> ?
[15:00] <jo-erlend> how do I create a launcher in oneiric? There's no longer any menu option to do that in Nautilus.
[15:01] <anadon> how dead is this channel?
[15:01] <Onlyodin> So far all I've done is launch something, then right click on it and "Keep in launcher"
[15:02] <anadon> that's the procedure I've always followed.  granted, I'm more prone to remove icons.
[15:02] <anadon> that would be a feature request and best be put in launchpad.
[15:03] <Onlyodin> Yeah probably.
[15:03] <anadon> they say that they've hit a feature freeze, but that's small, easy, quick, and will be in demand so they may or may no make a very small exception--can't say for sure
[15:04] <anadon> granted, if you add the feature request, it should make it in 12.04
[15:04] <anadon> so....alpha 1 in october or november at latest should see it IF AND ONLY IF you tell them.
[15:05] <anadon> help?
[15:07] <jtaylor> userinterface freeze is on aug 25.
[15:07] <jtaylor> it would ahve to be implemented fast
[15:09] <anadon> I read the schedule wrong--yup, 2 day before it has to wait months.
[15:10] <anadon> jtaylor: hey, how familiar are you with the update system?  I still have the same problem as earlier and at the moment, I'm without a boot-loader.
[15:23] <h00k> UI freeze is coming up...whooo
[15:28] <Onlyodin> Well, with about 500 updates a week, it'll be a welcome change right? ;)
[15:29] <jo-erlend> I just hope desktopcouch will be fixed soon.
[15:29] <BluesKaj> hope the kmigrate issues with kaddressbook and akonadi are worked , even tho I don't use either I'm getting tired of the constant notifications
[15:29] <anadon> ah crap...guys, I updated grub.cfg and it doesn't think the system I'm using to update it exists.
[15:29] <BluesKaj> worked out
[15:30] <BluesKaj> anadon, just sudo update-grub
[15:30] <anadon> I know, that's what I did
[15:30] <anadon> and its telling me 11.10 isn't there
[15:31] <anadon> it finds the other install ok and a grub game, but not 11.10
[15:32] <BluesKaj> lsb_release -a ?
[15:32] <anadon> No LSB modules are available.Distributor ID:	UbuntuDescription:	Ubuntu oneiric (development branch)Release:	11.10Codename:	oneiric
[15:33] <BluesKaj> 11.10Codename: oneiric
[15:33] <Onlyodin> That sounds like Ubuntu+1
[15:33] <BluesKaj> grub just lists the kernels
[15:34] <anadon> grub doesn't find it
[15:34] <anadon> this is ubuntu+1....
[15:34] <anadon> it can't find the kernel--it only found 2 bootable anything--a game and a different linux install
[15:36] <penguin42> anadon: Do you know what you changed when you edited it? Have you got /boot mounted correctly?
[15:36] <anadon> sec
[15:37] <anadon> wrong boot part--thanks!
[15:37] <anadon> bte, how do you add a new boot part correctly?
[15:37] <anadon> link?
[15:40] <anadon> nvm
[15:42] <BluesKaj> penguin42, should one unpack the initrd.img-3.0.0-9-generic in /boot ? This is unfamiliar territory to me.
[15:44] <penguin42> unpack? Why unpack?
[15:47] <BluesKaj> if the actual kernel isn't listed but is still as initrd img in /boot
[15:48] <yofel> uh, the *kernel* is /boot/vmlinuz-...
[15:50] <BluesKaj> ok nm, yofel , guess I'm not making myself clear and obviously I don't know what's required , so ...
[15:50] <yofel> what was the issue in the first place?
[15:51] <yofel> o.O
[15:51] <BluesKaj> missing kernel in grub
[15:53] <BluesKaj> not in my grub ,, the guy with the prob left already
[15:56] <BluesKaj> anyway , it's lunchtime
[16:19] <Ian_Corne> anyone else here with unity?
[16:20] <Ian_Corne> err
[16:20] <Ian_Corne> fglrx
[16:24]  * penguin42 uses the open driver (with KDE)
[16:27] <Ian_Corne> hmm maybe I should give that a shot
[16:27] <Ian_Corne> my unity just doesn't work
[16:27] <Ian_Corne> gnome-shell does however
[16:27] <Ian_Corne> and unity2d too
[16:36] <Ian_Corne> jockey is broken
[16:36] <Ian_Corne> or maybe it's debus..
[16:36] <Ian_Corne> dbus*
[16:43] <Ian_Corne> ok all that did was make everything worse :D
[16:44] <Ian_Corne> I'm using a 6950 thi
[16:44] <Ian_Corne> so that might have something to do with it
[16:44] <Ian_Corne> and the unity check says everything is a-ok when run it on fglrx
[16:51] <SpamapS> Does anybody else's unity-panel-service crash every 30 seconds?
[16:51] <SpamapS> in unity-2d and unity .. just crashes all day. :-/
[17:03] <DanaG> I booted Oneiric, and got an immediate headache thanks to Xorg lying about my screen size (and thus giving me tiny text).
[17:03] <DanaG> I had worked around it in Natty by adding an xinit file calling "xrandr --dpi 147", but that broke with Oneiric.
[17:03] <DanaG> And yes, it is actively lying: http://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=23705
[17:04] <DanaG> It reads correct dimensions, then throws them out and pulls numbers out of its butt to get 96 DPI.
[17:12] <BluesKaj> DanaG, does 120dpi help you
[17:14] <DanaG> Well, my screen is 147 DPI.
[17:15] <DanaG> Before they introduced that lying, xdpyinfo reported 147 correctly, and things just worked.
[17:15] <DanaG> Now, since it lies to the OS, it screws up everything, such as Inkscape and Gimp.
[17:16] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg-server/+bug/589485
[17:16] <DanaG> I booted Oneiric, and rather instantly got a headache from the tiny text.
[17:16] <DanaG> And once you scale it correctly, gnome-shell has absurdly huge text.
[17:17] <BluesKaj> DanaG, I've been looking for a solution to the small fonts on chromium's toolbar and bookmarks bar on my large monitor ..setting to 120 dpi doesn't do anything
[17:19] <BluesKaj> chromium doesn't integrate with kde or gtk font settings at all .
[17:21] <DanaG> BluesKaj: Even on Windows, Chrome just plain doesn't try to do any scaling at all.
[17:21] <DanaG> It's Chrome's fault there.
[17:23] <DanaG> On 150% DPI in Windows, IE renders stuff at 96DPI but defaults to zooming 150%.
[17:23] <BluesKaj> yeah, disappointing cuz , chrome/chromium are my fav browsers ..complained on #chromium about it but nobody responded
[17:28] <DanaG> I hate when people's answer to apps breaking under DPI scaling is to disable scaling.
[17:28] <DanaG> That's like saying the solution to your car choking when in 4th gear is to not use 4th gear... which you happen to need on the highway.
[17:28] <DanaG> (I don't know cars well enough to know if '4th' is the right analogy.)
[17:29] <DanaG> I'm not sure what Firefox does by default... I currently use "default fullzoom" and "zoom page", to get buttons and 150% default.
[17:31] <BluesKaj> yeah, I'm using 140%  as default on chromium
[17:33] <DanaG> Windows actually defaults to correct (though rounded) DPI if it has video drivers during install.
[17:33] <DanaG> In fact, that's the only easy way to get the login screen itself scaled.
[17:35] <DanaG> Oh, and somewhat off-topic: I figured out how to get mstsc.exe to get software-scaled: hex-edit it to change IsDPIAware from "true" to "nope" (same number of letters).
[17:36] <DanaG> hmm, oh yeah, so are there any big server-related things coming in Oneiric?
[17:37] <DanaG> Now my only always-booted-to-Linux system is my Microserver.
[17:37] <Ian_Corne> what is this online account thingy?
[17:37] <Ian_Corne> I added my gmail there :p
[17:49] <Ian_Corne> hm during boot it complains it found serious errors on ntfs partitions
[17:49] <Ian_Corne> but when i fsck them: $ fsck /dev/sdc1
[17:49] <Ian_Corne> fsck from util-linux 2.19.1
[17:49] <Ian_Corne> fsck: fsck.ntfs: not found
[17:49] <Ian_Corne> fsck: Error 2 while executing fsck.ntfs for /dev/sdc1
[17:49] <penguin42> sounds like you're just missing the fsck
[17:50] <Ian_Corne> yes, which package has that?
[17:50] <Ian_Corne> command-not-found doesn't know
[17:50] <penguin42> hmm except fsck.ntfs doesn't seem to exist (from apt-file) you could just turn the fsck off
[17:50] <penguin42> Ian_Corne: Is that partition listed in your /etc/fstab then?
[17:50] <Ian_Corne> yes
[17:50] <Ian_Corne> they are mounted automatically
[17:51] <penguin42> make the last two columns 0 0
[17:51] <Ian_Corne> ah k
[17:51] <Ian_Corne> they're all 0 2
[17:51] <Ian_Corne> thought that was the standard for non system drives :p
[17:52] <Ian_Corne> lets test it
[17:52] <penguin42> yeh but it seems there isn't an ntfs fsck so it can't be fsck'd
[17:54] <Ian_Corne> k that did the trick
[17:55] <Ian_Corne> other stuff is still broken but at least that annoyance is out of the way
[17:56] <Ian_Corne> I can't boot the 3.0.0-9 kernel
[17:58] <Ian_Corne> think they can all be brought back to broken dbus
[17:58] <penguin42> what happens when you try to boot the 3.0.0-9 ?
[17:58] <Ian_Corne> blank screen
[17:59] <Ian_Corne> after a clean plymouth thingy
[17:59] <Ian_Corne> but i had my /var/log and /tmp and stuff on tmpfs
[17:59] <Ian_Corne> removed those mount thingies now, so i'll have some clear logs :)
[18:01] <topyli> x/topic
[18:01] <topyli> yay
[18:03] <Ian_Corne> penguin42: and now my screen even stopped receiving input
[18:03] <Ian_Corne> I think fglrx is still broken for 3.x
[18:05] <penguin42> the open driver on 11.10 is more stable than ever
[18:07] <Ian_Corne> ues
[18:07] <Ian_Corne> but i don't it's usable for my card yet
[18:07] <Ian_Corne> is it?
[18:08] <penguin42> not sure - I'm on an HD4xxx so it's a couple of years old
[18:08] <penguin42> anyway - time for food!
[18:08] <Ian_Corne> Yeah i had 4870 before this
[18:09] <Ian_Corne> $ sudo lshw -C video
[18:09] <Ian_Corne> shouldn't this show me the driver? :s
[18:09] <Ian_Corne> maybe dkms doesn't install to the older kernels... hmmm
[18:14] <DanaG> Literally my only gripe with "radeon" is that it sucks a boatload more power than fglrx.
[18:17] <Ian_Corne> $ glxinfo
[18:17] <Ian_Corne> name of display: :0.0
[18:17] <Ian_Corne> X Error of failed request:  BadRequest (invalid request code or no such operation)
[18:17] <Ian_Corne> well i've got nothing running atm it seems :p
[18:24] <h00k> I have the alt-tab-switcher stuck open, I can't get it to go away.
[18:25] <h00k> Any protips?
[18:27] <Ian_Corne> ok totatlly broken now, don't even get an X
[18:44] <Ian_Corne>        configuration: driver=radeon latency=0
[18:44] <penguin42> Ian_Corne: Make sure you've not get any bits of the closed driver left
[18:45] <Ian_Corne> I'm on radeon now, full res supported
[18:45] <Ian_Corne> so it looks ok
[18:45] <Ian_Corne> but i don't actuallty have unity loaded
[18:47] <Ian_Corne> where could i have "bits of the closed driver" left?
[18:48] <Ian_Corne> unity-2d-panel: error while loading shared libraries: libGL.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[18:48] <penguin42> Ian_Corne: Did you remove it with jockey or dpkg ?
[18:48] <Ian_Corne> that doesn' tlook good
[18:48] <Ian_Corne> apt
[18:48] <Ian_Corne> so dpkg
[18:48] <Ian_Corne> well they all use dpkg
[18:48] <penguin42> ok, the libGL one is interesting because I think frglx installs its own
[18:49] <Ian_Corne> libgl1-mesa-glx is already the newest version.
[18:49] <penguin42> does glxgears run?
[18:49] <penguin42> and what does ldd `which glxgears`|grep libGL say ?
[19:15] <Ian_Corne> 	libGL.so.1 => not found
[19:15] <penguin42> ok, now to find out where it should be :-)
[19:15] <Ian_Corne> no glxgears doesn't run, as it doesn't find libGL.so.1
[19:16] <penguin42> Ian_Corne: OK, so that should come from libGL.so.1
[19:16] <penguin42> sorry,
[19:16] <BluesKaj> install mesa-utils
[19:16] <penguin42> Ian_Corne: Should come from libgl1-mesa-glx
[19:16] <Ian_Corne> libgl1-mesa-glx: Installed: 7.11-0ubuntu3
[19:17] <Ian_Corne> but maybe removing fglrx removes the module as it overwrites?
[19:17] <penguin42> yeh, uninstall and reinstall - I bet fglrx has done something unspeakable to it
[19:17] <Ian_Corne> jockey probably fixes it up
[19:17] <Ian_Corne> $ ldd `which glxgears`|grep libGL libGL.so.1 => /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/mesa/libGL.so.1 (0x00007f555804a000)
[19:17] <Ian_Corne> it runs!
[19:17] <Ian_Corne> ok to try unity now :)
[19:18] <Ian_Corne> I hope that's all it had overwritten
[19:18] <Ian_Corne> got the panel but no launcher
[19:19]  * penguin42 wouldn't be surprised if it's done something else unspeakable as well
[19:20] <Ian_Corne> is jockey working for you btw?
[19:21] <penguin42> I don'rt use it
[19:22] <Ian_Corne> oh my launcher is there
[19:22] <Ian_Corne> just takes a while
[19:22] <Ian_Corne> forgot i did unity --reset
[19:23] <Ian_Corne> loading ccsm seems to have crashed unity :p
[19:24] <Ian_Corne> it disables the plugin for some reason
[19:27] <jtaylor> DanaG: maybe your dpi problem is related to bug 812171
[19:29] <DanaG> jtaylor: nope, it's a system-level decision.
[19:29] <DanaG> xdpyinfo lies about screen size.
[19:29] <DanaG> It claims my laptop is 20 inches.
[19:30] <penguin42> DanaG: Can you pastebin your /var/log/Xorg.0.log ?
[19:31] <DanaG> I'm not in Ubuntu at the moment, but it definitely finds the correct size and DPI... but then decides not to report that to X clients.
[19:34] <penguin42> got an xorg.conf?
[19:40] <Ian_Corne> penguin42: do you know if radeon supports sound via hdmi?
[19:40] <Ian_Corne> I don't think it does
[19:41] <Ian_Corne> or maybe that has nothing to do with radeon, i don't know
[19:41] <penguin42> Ian_Corne: It shows up for me as an audio output device (and KDE for the last week has started to switching to it without asking...) - but I've not got the HDMI connected
[19:44] <Ian_Corne> yes it does for me too
[19:44] <Ian_Corne> but there's no sound comming through :)
[19:44] <penguin42> Ian_Corne: I hear there are lots of different variants of HDMI audio standards - maybe you need to try the next one along
[19:46] <Ian_Corne> well i've got a soundcard too, so i'm not really fussed atm :p
[19:54] <DanaG> penguin42: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg-server/+bug/589485
[19:56] <penguin42> DanaG: Ah that fella - there seems to be a good old fight going on with it :-)
[19:56] <genii-around> That one could be pretty annoying if you had a small screen but high density
[19:57] <DanaG> Yup.  My screen is 147 DPI.
[19:57] <DanaG> Instant headache when not scaled, but oh so awesome when scaled.
[19:58] <penguin42> yeh I guess my work laptop would also suck like that; 15.4" and 1920x1200
[19:58] <DanaG> It's the only computer I've had that gives approximately zero eyestrain all day.
[20:00] <DanaG> ...assuming you're using scaling.
[20:02] <Ian_Corne> DanaG: I don't have that porblem and it's 16.4 with 1920x1080
[20:02] <Ian_Corne> or I didn't notice it yet at least
[20:15] <h00k> What was the gnome-theme awd...whatever fix? gnome-tweak-tool and...something else
[20:21] <h00k> My compiz/unity is angry today, I'm using gnome-shell as an alternative, except it looks ugly. I installed gnome-tweak-tool, and I think what I'm looking for is the Adwaita theme, is this correct?
[20:21] <Ian_Corne> $ sudo apt-get install gnome-themes{,-extras,-standard,-more,-ubuntu,-selected}
[20:21] <Ian_Corne> might help with the ugly
[20:22] <h00k> Yeah, maybe one of those will do that, I'll check
[20:25] <BUGabundo> boas, caramelos
[20:25] <Ian_Corne> anyone know where i can find the keybindings for unity?
[20:26] <BUGabundo> guud luck
[20:26] <Ian_Corne> :p
[20:26] <Ian_Corne> well ctrl
[20:26] <Ian_Corne> ctrl+alt+t doesn't open a terminal anymore
[20:26] <Ian_Corne> but my self defined for IRC still works
[20:26] <Ian_Corne> and the browser one too
[20:28] <urlin2u> Ian_Corne, is keyboard accessible?
[20:28] <urlin2u> the app
[20:28] <Ian_Corne> yesè
[20:28] <Ian_Corne> aha
[20:28] <Ian_Corne> shortcuts
[20:28] <mauri> in which file are stored all the services that start at the kde boot?
[20:29] <Ian_Corne> thanks urlin2u !
[20:29] <Ian_Corne> BUGabundo: ^^
[20:29] <urlin2u> Ian_Corne, no problem.
[20:29] <Ian_Corne> works like a charm
[20:29] <Ian_Corne> I have to add it to custom shortcuts
[20:35] <Ian_Corne> the switcher is quite ugly tbh
[20:35] <Ian_Corne> big icons but no preview
[20:36] <BUGabundo> can someone test subdownloader please?
[20:36] <Ian_Corne> how do i use it BUGabundo ?
[20:36] <BUGabundo> try opening it
[20:36] <BUGabundo> not even that works for me
[20:37] <BUGabundo> its an app to download subtitles
[20:37] <Ian_Corne> could have warned me that it could crash my session :p
[20:37] <BUGabundo> didn't on mine
[20:37] <Ian_Corne> it crashed
[20:37] <BUGabundo> just stuck with a gtk window
[20:37] <BUGabundo> ok, filing a bug
[20:38] <jakemp> so, I went to a blank window and hit control + t, and it opened a new file explorer
[20:38] <jakemp> but now all my desktops are white
[20:39] <mauri> printer-applet crash, is it normal?
[20:39] <jakemp> and right clicking does nothing on these blank desktop
[20:40] <BUGabundo> Ian_Corne: can you add your .xsession to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/subdownloader/+bug/832340 ?
[20:45] <penguin42> mauri: I'm getting a printer applet crash at startup
[20:46] <Ian_Corne> I can
[20:46] <mauri> penguin42: ok so i ahve to wait a fis?
[20:46] <mauri> fix
[20:46] <Ian_Corne> done BUGabundo
[20:46] <Ian_Corne> Launchpad Janitor does not use Launchpad.
[20:46] <Ian_Corne> :o
[20:47] <BUGabundo> ahahaahah
[20:48] <penguin42> mauri: Yeh I guess so
[20:48] <mauri> penguin42: ok thanks
[20:48] <Ian_Corne> you could file a bug mauri like BUGabundo did
[20:48] <Ian_Corne> but crashing apps from the start are often known :)
[20:49]  * penguin42 thought I'd found one, but can't find it again
[20:49] <mauri> Ian_Corne: im not an expert
[20:49] <Ian_Corne> still no touchpads for 99EUR on amazon
[20:49] <Ian_Corne> mauri: ubuntu-bug "appname"
[20:50] <DanaG> yeah, I think I missed the TouchPad boat.
[20:51] <mauri> Ian_Corne: ok thanks i will try
[20:53]  * penguin42 ordered one at £89 but it's listed as 'out of stock - we'll email you when available'
[20:53] <Ian_Corne> never gonna happen :)
[20:53] <Ian_Corne> from direct.IT?
[20:54] <penguin42> no, it was from amazon themselves
[20:54] <h00k> Yeah, still no nice theme yet. I wonder what I'm missing.
[20:56] <h00k> oh, in Shell -> Shell Theme, there's a bang (!) because it's blamk.
[20:56] <h00k> *blank, rather.
[20:56] <Ian_Corne> hmm h00k when i replace it looks okish
[20:56] <Ian_Corne> only the titlebars of windows don't look good
[20:56] <h00k> Ian_Corne: Yeah, there was a fix for that somewhere, I just forget what
[20:56] <h00k> so it's like the actual....nice looking theme
[20:57] <Ian_Corne> h00k: if you type in appearance in the search thingy
[20:58] <Ian_Corne> you get "change look and feel"
[20:58] <Ian_Corne> which allows you to select a theme
[20:58] <Ian_Corne> it doesn't change the titlebar tho
[20:59] <h00k> Ian_Corne: Yeah, I don't see 'appearance' there ;) but I had fixed it before with gnome-tweak-tool
[20:59] <Ian_Corne> the switcher looks beter in gnome-shell but it's grouped by apps instead of windows...
[20:59] <h00k> and I'm pretty sure the Adwaita theme is what it should be
[20:59] <Ian_Corne> well in the appearence thingy
[20:59] <Ian_Corne> i can select the theme
[20:59] <Ian_Corne> the adwaita theme
[21:00] <Ian_Corne> but the titlebars remain ugly
[21:00] <h00k> Yeah.
[21:00] <Ian_Corne> ah they're blue now
[21:01] <h00k> Mine are blue, yep.
[21:02] <h00k> Ian_Corne: http://i.imgur.com/QQWgI.png
[21:03] <Ian_Corne> yop
[21:03] <Ian_Corne> looks the same
[21:13] <Ian_Corne> wohoo my headache is subsiding, my box works again, open driver works, thesis time!
[21:13] <Ian_Corne> now to only get a text from that one girl and my day is complete!
[21:15] <penguin42> Ian_Corne: Ah I see, you've been screwing with graphics drivers to avoid writing Thesis; having done a couple I know that the real creativity in postgrads is avoiding thesis writing
[21:15] <Ian_Corne> :D
[21:16] <Ian_Corne> well, i had a deadline yesterday at 16:00
[21:16] <BUGabundo> ahah
[21:16] <Ian_Corne> so i rewarded myself for making it by installing +1 on the last device that was deprived of it :D
[21:17]  * penguin42 disappears for a short while
[22:46] <davidcalle> Hi all, has anyone seen something with gnome-settings-daemon today?
[22:46] <davidcalle> *something weird
[23:05] <BUGabundo> nniittee
[23:23] <h00k> So, unity-panel-services is ...er, not there
[23:23] <h00k> I did a round of upgrades and restarted, now Unity didn't launch
[23:24] <h00k> also, I tried to launch it manually from a tty and got: "unity-panel-service: no process found"
[23:25] <Ian_Corne> hmm
[23:25] <Ian_Corne> i've still got it
[23:25] <h00k> I could temporarily go gnome-shell, I guess. This is what happend on my other box, too.
[23:26] <Ian_Corne> and unity2D?
[23:26] <h00k> or unity-2d, I could do
[23:26] <h00k> I s'pose
[23:26] <h00k> but I'm wondering where unity-panel-service went. unity-services package is installed.
[23:30] <Onlyodin> Is unity enabled in compiz?
[23:30] <h00k> Onlyodin: sure. Well, it was, and I haven't disabled it. Are you asking me?
[23:31] <Ian_Corne> yes
[23:31] <Onlyodin> Yes, It might be something worth checking.
[23:31] <Ian_Corne> you shoudl check ccsm
[23:31] <Ian_Corne> i had the same
[23:31] <Ian_Corne> i just realised
[23:31] <Ian_Corne> didn't see that error msg tho
[23:35] <Daekdroom> Unity-2D has this cartoon-ish feel
[23:35] <Daekdroom> I'd use it over Unity if it wasn't for the title bar.
[23:36] <h00k> I ended up having to REISUB, not sure what happened.
[23:36] <h00k> Now in gnome-shell, let me check ccsm
[23:37] <Daekdroom> Speaking of ccsm, it seems I can't start either compiz or ccsm
[23:37] <h00k> Unity was unchecked.
[23:37] <h00k> ccsm had an update today, I believe.
[23:37] <Daekdroom> Segmentation fault :(
[23:37] <h00k> That's probably going to catch everyone...
[23:38] <Daekdroom> unity --reset should work, shouldn't it?
[23:38] <penguin42> anyone else hit problems with sound-juicer?
[23:38] <penguin42> won't read the disk for me on OO
[23:38] <Daekdroom> Meh
[23:39] <Daekdroom> "Initializing core options...done"
[23:39] <Daekdroom> and then nothing happens
[23:39] <Ian_Corne> Daekdroom: i'd use if if the compiz grid controls were available
[23:39] <Daekdroom> grid controls?
[23:39] <Ian_Corne> and if i could config the launcher bar to have smaller icons and never hid
[23:40] <Ian_Corne> ctrl+alt+number snaps it to the sides
[23:40] <Ian_Corne> try ctrl+alt+6
[23:40] <h00k> yeah...unity is angry. unity --reset didn't do anything, as well as unity --replace.
[23:40] <Daekdroom> Oh right.
[23:40] <h00k> It yells about unity-panel-service not being found.
[23:40] <Ian_Corne> h00k: i just got another update for compiz and unity and stuff
[23:40] <Daekdroom> there's a libcompizconfig0 update thats broken
[23:40] <h00k> Ian_Corne: lemme check!
[23:40] <Ian_Corne> oho
[23:41] <Ian_Corne> i hope the update I got was a fixing update
[23:41] <h00k> I see it. libgconf.so is missing.
[23:41] <Ian_Corne> and not a breaking one :p
[23:41] <Daekdroom> Ian_Corne, did it try to remove compiz and unity packages?
[23:41] <Ian_Corne> no
[23:41] <Ian_Corne> clean update
[23:41] <Ian_Corne> well "clean"
[23:41] <h00k> /usr/lib/compizconfig/backends/libgconf.so , apparently.
[23:41] <Ian_Corne> is there an update h00k ?
[23:42] <h00k> Ian_Corne: checking now
[23:42] <h00k> Ian_Corne: yes, but not that one yet.
[23:42] <Daekdroom> Ooooh
[23:42] <Daekdroom> 14 new updates since I last upgrade a few seconds ago
[23:42] <h00k> Ian_Corne: I'll just hang in my tty for a bit until that shows up
[23:43] <h00k> I had 12 show up, nothing for compiz or unity yet.
[23:43] <Ian_Corne> h00k: i'm still on a.u.c
[23:43] <Ian_Corne> The following packages have been kept back: libcompizconfig0
[23:43] <h00k> Ian_Corne: hmm?
[23:43] <Ian_Corne> main archive
[23:43] <Ian_Corne> not a local one
[23:43] <Ian_Corne> to get all updates instantly
[23:43] <Ian_Corne> i know I shouldn't
[23:43] <Daekdroom> I'm using the main mirror too
[23:43] <Ian_Corne> but i'm craving for updates!
[23:44] <h00k> us.archive.ubuntu is where I'm grabbing from
[23:44] <h00k> apparently
[23:44] <Daekdroom> compizconfig-backend-gconf and libcompizconfig0 are getting updated now.
[23:44] <Ian_Corne> Daekdroom: guess there's still the libcompizconfig0 broken updae
[23:44]  * h00k grabs guitar
[23:44] <Daekdroom> I'm updating it. It didn't break any dependency at all after I ran aptitude upgrade again.
[23:44] <Daekdroom> *aptitude update
[23:44] <Ian_Corne> The following packages will be REMOVED: compiz-gnome compizconfig-backend-gconf
[23:44] <Ian_Corne> The following NEW packages will be installed: compiz-kde compizconfig-backend-kconfig
[23:44] <Ian_Corne> damn you kde!
[23:44] <h00k> o.o
[23:44] <Ian_Corne> :p
[23:45] <Ian_Corne> that'll teach me, install kubuntu-desktop
[23:45] <Ian_Corne> and banshee has a hard time staying alive
[23:46] <Daekdroom> Unity is alive.
[23:46] <Ian_Corne> :)
[23:46] <h00k> Nothing yet here ;)
[23:46] <Daekdroom> But I forgot to kill unity-2d first. Now I have both running
[23:47] <Daekdroom> There we go. A killall fixes everything.
[23:47] <Daekdroom> Meh. I really liked unity-2d launcher and Dash more than Unity's.
[23:49] <Ian_Corne> unity lives for me too
[23:50] <Ian_Corne> going to bed, i'll know in the morning if suspend works :p
[23:50] <h00k> Ian_Corne: good luck. Peace