=== ubott2 is now known as ubottu === nhandler_ is now known as nhandler === sdx24 is now known as sdx23 === Pici` is now known as Pici [01:13] I've upgraded to oneiric on my laptop. It's a good thing it's not going to be released yet. :) === KM0201_ is now known as KM0201 [01:52] !schedule [01:52] A schedule of Oneiric Ocelot (11.10) release milestones can be found here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OneiricReleaseSchedule [03:05] is desktopcouch broken for everyone at the moment? I can't even connect to the local instance now. [06:24] I seem to have missed the TouxhPad boat. [06:24] Arfg, stupid iPod keyboard. [06:26] hi, I got really strange error after dist-upgrade [06:26] skype: error while loading shared libraries: libXss.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory [06:27] what can I do? Please help me cause I need skype immediatly [06:39] farciarz84: I don't use Skype but are you using a 64-bit Ubuntu install? [09:15] hm hes gone already, but if that problem reappears: one needs to enable multiarch and install a couple of libraries: libxss1:i386 libqtcore4:i386 libqt4-dbus:i386 libqtgui4:i386 [09:21] or install skype:i386 which should have the same effect === EyeWare is now known as EyesIsMine [10:52] What is the UID of the Guest account that GNOME 3 offers by default? I could not find it in /etc/passwd. [12:19] Hey all === MosquitoOo is now known as MaWaLe === thade_w|2 is now known as Alexia_Death_ === shadeslayer_ is now known as shadeslayer [13:57] what do I do to get valid signatures for the repositories? For some reason, apt-get thinks they're all invalid. [13:58] do apt-update again [13:58] that helps sometimes [13:58] tried [13:58] apt-get update [13:58] that's how I found out [13:59] try dist-upgrade [13:59] sec [13:59] it kept back the mono upgrade... [13:59] didn't solve it [14:00] there's a problem with the gpg singnatures. [14:00] Can you pastebin the exact error message you are getting? [14:00] sec [14:00] did you apt-upgrade [14:01] http://pastebin.com/FKTe18Z9 [14:01] that's from apt-get update [14:02] also, I'm trying to re-install grub and it can't find dependencies [14:02] grub-efi-amd64 [14:04] what do? [14:12] hello? Did I loose everyone? [14:13] * yofel is constantly getting BADSIG from a private PPA, but not for the archive... [14:52] ? [15:00] how do I create a launcher in oneiric? There's no longer any menu option to do that in Nautilus. [15:01] how dead is this channel? [15:01] So far all I've done is launch something, then right click on it and "Keep in launcher" [15:02] that's the procedure I've always followed. granted, I'm more prone to remove icons. [15:02] that would be a feature request and best be put in launchpad. [15:03] Yeah probably. [15:03] they say that they've hit a feature freeze, but that's small, easy, quick, and will be in demand so they may or may no make a very small exception--can't say for sure [15:04] granted, if you add the feature request, it should make it in 12.04 [15:04] so....alpha 1 in october or november at latest should see it IF AND ONLY IF you tell them. [15:05] help? [15:07] userinterface freeze is on aug 25. [15:07] it would ahve to be implemented fast [15:09] I read the schedule wrong--yup, 2 day before it has to wait months. [15:10] jtaylor: hey, how familiar are you with the update system? I still have the same problem as earlier and at the moment, I'm without a boot-loader. [15:23] UI freeze is coming up...whooo [15:28] Well, with about 500 updates a week, it'll be a welcome change right? ;) [15:29] I just hope desktopcouch will be fixed soon. [15:29] hope the kmigrate issues with kaddressbook and akonadi are worked , even tho I don't use either I'm getting tired of the constant notifications [15:29] ah crap...guys, I updated grub.cfg and it doesn't think the system I'm using to update it exists. [15:29] worked out [15:30] anadon, just sudo update-grub [15:30] I know, that's what I did [15:30] and its telling me 11.10 isn't there [15:31] it finds the other install ok and a grub game, but not 11.10 [15:32] lsb_release -a ? [15:32] No LSB modules are available.Distributor ID: UbuntuDescription: Ubuntu oneiric (development branch)Release: 11.10Codename: oneiric [15:33] 11.10Codename: oneiric [15:33] That sounds like Ubuntu+1 [15:33] grub just lists the kernels [15:34] grub doesn't find it [15:34] this is ubuntu+1.... [15:34] it can't find the kernel--it only found 2 bootable anything--a game and a different linux install [15:36] anadon: Do you know what you changed when you edited it? Have you got /boot mounted correctly? [15:36] sec [15:37] wrong boot part--thanks! [15:37] bte, how do you add a new boot part correctly? [15:37] link? [15:40] nvm [15:42] penguin42, should one unpack the initrd.img-3.0.0-9-generic in /boot ? This is unfamiliar territory to me. [15:44] unpack? Why unpack? [15:47] if the actual kernel isn't listed but is still as initrd img in /boot [15:48] uh, the *kernel* is /boot/vmlinuz-... [15:50] ok nm, yofel , guess I'm not making myself clear and obviously I don't know what's required , so ... [15:50] what was the issue in the first place? [15:51] o.O [15:51] missing kernel in grub [15:53] not in my grub ,, the guy with the prob left already [15:56] anyway , it's lunchtime [16:19] anyone else here with unity? [16:20] err [16:20] fglrx [16:24] * penguin42 uses the open driver (with KDE) [16:27] hmm maybe I should give that a shot [16:27] my unity just doesn't work [16:27] gnome-shell does however [16:27] and unity2d too [16:36] jockey is broken [16:36] or maybe it's debus.. [16:36] dbus* [16:43] ok all that did was make everything worse :D [16:44] I'm using a 6950 thi [16:44] so that might have something to do with it [16:44] and the unity check says everything is a-ok when run it on fglrx [16:51] Does anybody else's unity-panel-service crash every 30 seconds? [16:51] in unity-2d and unity .. just crashes all day. :-/ [17:03] I booted Oneiric, and got an immediate headache thanks to Xorg lying about my screen size (and thus giving me tiny text). [17:03] I had worked around it in Natty by adding an xinit file calling "xrandr --dpi 147", but that broke with Oneiric. [17:03] And yes, it is actively lying: http://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=23705 [17:04] Freedesktop bug 23705 in Server/general "xserver forces 96 DPI on randr-1.2-capable drivers, overriding correct autodetection" [Normal,Reopened] [17:04] It reads correct dimensions, then throws them out and pulls numbers out of its butt to get 96 DPI. [17:12] DanaG, does 120dpi help you [17:14] Well, my screen is 147 DPI. [17:15] Before they introduced that lying, xdpyinfo reported 147 correctly, and things just worked. [17:15] Now, since it lies to the OS, it screws up everything, such as Inkscape and Gimp. [17:16] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg-server/+bug/589485 [17:16] Ubuntu bug 589485 in X.Org X server "Ignores physical display size and calculates based on 96DPI" [Medium,Confirmed] [17:16] I booted Oneiric, and rather instantly got a headache from the tiny text. [17:16] And once you scale it correctly, gnome-shell has absurdly huge text. [17:17] DanaG, I've been looking for a solution to the small fonts on chromium's toolbar and bookmarks bar on my large monitor ..setting to 120 dpi doesn't do anything [17:19] chromium doesn't integrate with kde or gtk font settings at all . [17:21] BluesKaj: Even on Windows, Chrome just plain doesn't try to do any scaling at all. [17:21] It's Chrome's fault there. [17:23] On 150% DPI in Windows, IE renders stuff at 96DPI but defaults to zooming 150%. [17:23] yeah, disappointing cuz , chrome/chromium are my fav browsers ..complained on #chromium about it but nobody responded [17:28] I hate when people's answer to apps breaking under DPI scaling is to disable scaling. [17:28] That's like saying the solution to your car choking when in 4th gear is to not use 4th gear... which you happen to need on the highway. [17:28] (I don't know cars well enough to know if '4th' is the right analogy.) [17:29] I'm not sure what Firefox does by default... I currently use "default fullzoom" and "zoom page", to get buttons and 150% default. [17:31] yeah, I'm using 140% as default on chromium [17:33] Windows actually defaults to correct (though rounded) DPI if it has video drivers during install. [17:33] In fact, that's the only easy way to get the login screen itself scaled. [17:35] Oh, and somewhat off-topic: I figured out how to get mstsc.exe to get software-scaled: hex-edit it to change IsDPIAware from "true" to "nope" (same number of letters). [17:36] hmm, oh yeah, so are there any big server-related things coming in Oneiric? [17:37] Now my only always-booted-to-Linux system is my Microserver. [17:37] what is this online account thingy? [17:37] I added my gmail there :p [17:49] hm during boot it complains it found serious errors on ntfs partitions [17:49] but when i fsck them: $ fsck /dev/sdc1 [17:49] fsck from util-linux 2.19.1 [17:49] fsck: fsck.ntfs: not found [17:49] fsck: Error 2 while executing fsck.ntfs for /dev/sdc1 [17:49] sounds like you're just missing the fsck [17:50] yes, which package has that? [17:50] command-not-found doesn't know [17:50] hmm except fsck.ntfs doesn't seem to exist (from apt-file) you could just turn the fsck off [17:50] Ian_Corne: Is that partition listed in your /etc/fstab then? [17:50] yes [17:50] they are mounted automatically [17:51] make the last two columns 0 0 [17:51] ah k [17:51] they're all 0 2 [17:51] thought that was the standard for non system drives :p [17:52] lets test it [17:52] yeh but it seems there isn't an ntfs fsck so it can't be fsck'd [17:54] k that did the trick [17:55] other stuff is still broken but at least that annoyance is out of the way [17:56] I can't boot the 3.0.0-9 kernel [17:58] think they can all be brought back to broken dbus [17:58] what happens when you try to boot the 3.0.0-9 ? [17:58] blank screen [17:59] after a clean plymouth thingy [17:59] but i had my /var/log and /tmp and stuff on tmpfs [17:59] removed those mount thingies now, so i'll have some clear logs :) [18:01] x/topic [18:01] yay [18:03] penguin42: and now my screen even stopped receiving input [18:03] I think fglrx is still broken for 3.x [18:05] the open driver on 11.10 is more stable than ever [18:07] ues [18:07] but i don't it's usable for my card yet [18:07] is it? [18:08] not sure - I'm on an HD4xxx so it's a couple of years old [18:08] anyway - time for food! [18:08] Yeah i had 4870 before this [18:09] $ sudo lshw -C video [18:09] shouldn't this show me the driver? :s [18:09] maybe dkms doesn't install to the older kernels... hmmm [18:14] Literally my only gripe with "radeon" is that it sucks a boatload more power than fglrx. [18:17] $ glxinfo [18:17] name of display: :0.0 [18:17] X Error of failed request: BadRequest (invalid request code or no such operation) [18:17] well i've got nothing running atm it seems :p === Tetsuo55_2 is now known as tetsuo55 [18:24] I have the alt-tab-switcher stuck open, I can't get it to go away. [18:25] Any protips? [18:27] ok totatlly broken now, don't even get an X [18:44] configuration: driver=radeon latency=0 [18:44] Ian_Corne: Make sure you've not get any bits of the closed driver left [18:45] I'm on radeon now, full res supported [18:45] so it looks ok [18:45] but i don't actuallty have unity loaded [18:47] where could i have "bits of the closed driver" left? [18:48] unity-2d-panel: error while loading shared libraries: libGL.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory [18:48] Ian_Corne: Did you remove it with jockey or dpkg ? [18:48] that doesn' tlook good [18:48] apt [18:48] so dpkg [18:48] well they all use dpkg [18:48] ok, the libGL one is interesting because I think frglx installs its own [18:49] libgl1-mesa-glx is already the newest version. [18:49] does glxgears run? [18:49] and what does ldd `which glxgears`|grep libGL say ? [19:15] libGL.so.1 => not found [19:15] ok, now to find out where it should be :-) [19:15] no glxgears doesn't run, as it doesn't find libGL.so.1 [19:16] Ian_Corne: OK, so that should come from libGL.so.1 [19:16] sorry, [19:16] install mesa-utils [19:16] Ian_Corne: Should come from libgl1-mesa-glx [19:16] libgl1-mesa-glx: Installed: 7.11-0ubuntu3 [19:17] but maybe removing fglrx removes the module as it overwrites? [19:17] yeh, uninstall and reinstall - I bet fglrx has done something unspeakable to it [19:17] jockey probably fixes it up [19:17] $ ldd `which glxgears`|grep libGL libGL.so.1 => /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/mesa/libGL.so.1 (0x00007f555804a000) [19:17] it runs! [19:17] ok to try unity now :) [19:18] I hope that's all it had overwritten [19:18] got the panel but no launcher [19:19] * penguin42 wouldn't be surprised if it's done something else unspeakable as well [19:20] is jockey working for you btw? [19:21] I don'rt use it [19:22] oh my launcher is there [19:22] just takes a while [19:22] forgot i did unity --reset [19:23] loading ccsm seems to have crashed unity :p [19:24] it disables the plugin for some reason [19:27] DanaG: maybe your dpi problem is related to bug 812171 [19:27] Launchpad bug 812171 in lightdm (Ubuntu Oneiric) "lightdm doesn't use gnome-settings-daemon system xrandr configurations" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/812171 [19:29] jtaylor: nope, it's a system-level decision. [19:29] xdpyinfo lies about screen size. [19:29] It claims my laptop is 20 inches. [19:30] DanaG: Can you pastebin your /var/log/Xorg.0.log ? [19:31] I'm not in Ubuntu at the moment, but it definitely finds the correct size and DPI... but then decides not to report that to X clients. [19:34] got an xorg.conf? [19:40] penguin42: do you know if radeon supports sound via hdmi? [19:40] I don't think it does [19:41] or maybe that has nothing to do with radeon, i don't know [19:41] Ian_Corne: It shows up for me as an audio output device (and KDE for the last week has started to switching to it without asking...) - but I've not got the HDMI connected [19:44] yes it does for me too [19:44] but there's no sound comming through :) [19:44] Ian_Corne: I hear there are lots of different variants of HDMI audio standards - maybe you need to try the next one along [19:46] well i've got a soundcard too, so i'm not really fussed atm :p [19:54] penguin42: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg-server/+bug/589485 [19:54] Ubuntu bug 589485 in X.Org X server "Ignores physical display size and calculates based on 96DPI" [Medium,Confirmed] [19:56] DanaG: Ah that fella - there seems to be a good old fight going on with it :-) [19:56] That one could be pretty annoying if you had a small screen but high density [19:57] Yup. My screen is 147 DPI. [19:57] Instant headache when not scaled, but oh so awesome when scaled. [19:58] yeh I guess my work laptop would also suck like that; 15.4" and 1920x1200 [19:58] It's the only computer I've had that gives approximately zero eyestrain all day. [20:00] ...assuming you're using scaling. [20:02] DanaG: I don't have that porblem and it's 16.4 with 1920x1080 [20:02] or I didn't notice it yet at least [20:15] What was the gnome-theme awd...whatever fix? gnome-tweak-tool and...something else [20:21] My compiz/unity is angry today, I'm using gnome-shell as an alternative, except it looks ugly. I installed gnome-tweak-tool, and I think what I'm looking for is the Adwaita theme, is this correct? [20:21] $ sudo apt-get install gnome-themes{,-extras,-standard,-more,-ubuntu,-selected} [20:21] might help with the ugly [20:22] Yeah, maybe one of those will do that, I'll check [20:25] boas, caramelos [20:25] anyone know where i can find the keybindings for unity? [20:26] guud luck [20:26] :p [20:26] well ctrl [20:26] ctrl+alt+t doesn't open a terminal anymore [20:26] but my self defined for IRC still works [20:26] and the browser one too [20:28] Ian_Corne, is keyboard accessible? [20:28] the app [20:28] yesè [20:28] aha [20:28] shortcuts [20:28] in which file are stored all the services that start at the kde boot? [20:29] thanks urlin2u ! [20:29] BUGabundo: ^^ [20:29] Ian_Corne, no problem. [20:29] works like a charm [20:29] I have to add it to custom shortcuts [20:35] the switcher is quite ugly tbh [20:35] big icons but no preview [20:36] can someone test subdownloader please? [20:36] how do i use it BUGabundo ? [20:36] try opening it [20:36] not even that works for me [20:37] its an app to download subtitles [20:37] could have warned me that it could crash my session :p [20:37] didn't on mine [20:37] it crashed [20:37] just stuck with a gtk window [20:37] ok, filing a bug [20:38] so, I went to a blank window and hit control + t, and it opened a new file explorer [20:38] but now all my desktops are white [20:39] printer-applet crash, is it normal? [20:39] and right clicking does nothing on these blank desktop [20:40] Ian_Corne: can you add your .xsession to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/subdownloader/+bug/832340 ? [20:40] Ubuntu bug 832340 in subdownloader (Ubuntu) "gets stuck on a GTK window " [Undecided,New] [20:45] mauri: I'm getting a printer applet crash at startup [20:46] I can [20:46] penguin42: ok so i ahve to wait a fis? [20:46] fix [20:46] done BUGabundo [20:46] Launchpad Janitor does not use Launchpad. [20:46] :o [20:47] ahahaahah [20:48] mauri: Yeh I guess so [20:48] penguin42: ok thanks [20:48] you could file a bug mauri like BUGabundo did [20:48] but crashing apps from the start are often known :) [20:49] * penguin42 thought I'd found one, but can't find it again [20:49] Ian_Corne: im not an expert [20:49] still no touchpads for 99EUR on amazon [20:49] mauri: ubuntu-bug "appname" [20:50] yeah, I think I missed the TouchPad boat. [20:51] Ian_Corne: ok thanks i will try [20:53] * penguin42 ordered one at £89 but it's listed as 'out of stock - we'll email you when available' [20:53] never gonna happen :) [20:53] from direct.IT? [20:54] no, it was from amazon themselves [20:54] Yeah, still no nice theme yet. I wonder what I'm missing. [20:56] oh, in Shell -> Shell Theme, there's a bang (!) because it's blamk. [20:56] *blank, rather. [20:56] hmm h00k when i replace it looks okish [20:56] only the titlebars of windows don't look good [20:56] Ian_Corne: Yeah, there was a fix for that somewhere, I just forget what [20:56] so it's like the actual....nice looking theme [20:57] h00k: if you type in appearance in the search thingy [20:58] you get "change look and feel" [20:58] which allows you to select a theme [20:58] it doesn't change the titlebar tho [20:59] Ian_Corne: Yeah, I don't see 'appearance' there ;) but I had fixed it before with gnome-tweak-tool [20:59] the switcher looks beter in gnome-shell but it's grouped by apps instead of windows... [20:59] and I'm pretty sure the Adwaita theme is what it should be [20:59] well in the appearence thingy [20:59] i can select the theme [20:59] the adwaita theme [21:00] but the titlebars remain ugly [21:00] Yeah. [21:00] ah they're blue now [21:01] Mine are blue, yep. [21:02] Ian_Corne: http://i.imgur.com/QQWgI.png [21:03] yop [21:03] looks the same [21:13] wohoo my headache is subsiding, my box works again, open driver works, thesis time! [21:13] now to only get a text from that one girl and my day is complete! [21:15] Ian_Corne: Ah I see, you've been screwing with graphics drivers to avoid writing Thesis; having done a couple I know that the real creativity in postgrads is avoiding thesis writing [21:15] :D [21:16] well, i had a deadline yesterday at 16:00 [21:16] ahah [21:16] so i rewarded myself for making it by installing +1 on the last device that was deprived of it :D [21:17] * penguin42 disappears for a short while === bazhang_ is now known as bazhang === opt1mus is now known as mrderp === mrderp is now known as opt1mus [22:46] Hi all, has anyone seen something with gnome-settings-daemon today? [22:46] *something weird [23:05] nniittee [23:23] So, unity-panel-services is ...er, not there [23:23] I did a round of upgrades and restarted, now Unity didn't launch [23:24] also, I tried to launch it manually from a tty and got: "unity-panel-service: no process found" [23:25] hmm [23:25] i've still got it [23:25] I could temporarily go gnome-shell, I guess. This is what happend on my other box, too. [23:26] and unity2D? [23:26] or unity-2d, I could do [23:26] I s'pose [23:26] but I'm wondering where unity-panel-service went. unity-services package is installed. [23:30] Is unity enabled in compiz? [23:30] Onlyodin: sure. Well, it was, and I haven't disabled it. Are you asking me? [23:31] yes [23:31] Yes, It might be something worth checking. [23:31] you shoudl check ccsm [23:31] i had the same [23:31] i just realised [23:31] didn't see that error msg tho [23:35] Unity-2D has this cartoon-ish feel [23:35] I'd use it over Unity if it wasn't for the title bar. [23:36] I ended up having to REISUB, not sure what happened. [23:36] Now in gnome-shell, let me check ccsm [23:37] Speaking of ccsm, it seems I can't start either compiz or ccsm [23:37] Unity was unchecked. [23:37] ccsm had an update today, I believe. [23:37] Segmentation fault :( [23:37] That's probably going to catch everyone... [23:38] unity --reset should work, shouldn't it? [23:38] anyone else hit problems with sound-juicer? [23:38] won't read the disk for me on OO [23:38] Meh [23:39] "Initializing core options...done" [23:39] and then nothing happens [23:39] Daekdroom: i'd use if if the compiz grid controls were available [23:39] grid controls? [23:39] and if i could config the launcher bar to have smaller icons and never hid [23:40] ctrl+alt+number snaps it to the sides [23:40] try ctrl+alt+6 [23:40] yeah...unity is angry. unity --reset didn't do anything, as well as unity --replace. [23:40] Oh right. [23:40] It yells about unity-panel-service not being found. [23:40] h00k: i just got another update for compiz and unity and stuff [23:40] there's a libcompizconfig0 update thats broken [23:40] Ian_Corne: lemme check! [23:40] oho [23:41] i hope the update I got was a fixing update [23:41] I see it. libgconf.so is missing. [23:41] and not a breaking one :p [23:41] Ian_Corne, did it try to remove compiz and unity packages? [23:41] no [23:41] clean update [23:41] well "clean" [23:41] /usr/lib/compizconfig/backends/libgconf.so , apparently. [23:41] is there an update h00k ? [23:42] Ian_Corne: checking now [23:42] Ian_Corne: yes, but not that one yet. [23:42] Ooooh [23:42] 14 new updates since I last upgrade a few seconds ago [23:42] Ian_Corne: I'll just hang in my tty for a bit until that shows up [23:43]