[01:45] anyone attempted to get a discounted HP TouchPad? ^_^ [01:50] me [02:35] Azelphur: tempted to buy one at the higher rate and hope for the price cut to come in? [02:36] huh? [02:36] we drove around here in the US today (i'm on holiday) but only one place had one and he refused to sell it, as it was the display model [02:36] well i'm looking at UK shops and they're all showing the high price still [02:36] like: [02:36] http://www.expansys.com/hp-touchpad-eu-black-32gb-209143/?utm_source=google&utm_medium=shopping&utm_campaign=base&ito=1701 [02:36] still at £430 [02:37] daftykins: amazon has it cheap [02:37] but they don't seem to have any in stock, they will let you order though [02:41] oh? but will they really get anymore stock ;x [02:42] also from here, amazon.co.uk has the higher prices [02:42] well it's only showing me third party sellers [02:46] daftykins: yea, that's what I wonder :) [02:46] Azelphur: eh? [02:46] whether they really get any more stock. [02:46] ah [02:47] some amazon.com sellers seem to think they still have it [03:33] http://www.facebook.com/nokia?sk=app_222130677837526 [03:34] wtf nokia you delay the anna update by 6 months and then you obsolete it a week after release? [05:09] o/ czajkowski [05:49] AlanBell: delays [07:04] * AlanBell taps fingers and waits for czajkowski [07:06] * directhex taps fingers & waits for touchpad price drops [07:06] daftykins, you were done a favour. do NOT buy display model touchpads [07:07] display models have blacklisted serial numbers, to prevent them being stolen & reflashed with retail firmware [07:19] Morning [07:20] * daubers needs a cheap android tablet that can be flashed with 2.3 that has an ethernet port on it [07:23] wifi won't do? [07:23] No, it's being used at a trade show, so wifi can't be guarenteed [07:23] it can :D [07:23] * popey hands daubers a WNDR3700 and a wifi dongle [07:23] tether to a phone [07:23] s/wifi/3g [07:23] popey: It's not for interwebs access :) It's for configuring appliances, and we're not allowed to setup an ap apparently [07:24] all the android tabs I've seen that have ethernet are cheap/crap [07:25] Doesn't need to be good! Just have a web browser that works and look ok on a trade stand [07:25] http://www.dealextreme.com/p/7-touch-screen-tft-lcd-google-android-1-6-tablet-pc-w-wifi-camera-via-wm8505-arm926-42070 [07:25] eg [07:25] http://theandroidshop.tv/products/1/6/102_inch_android_tablet_with_wifi_camera_and_22os/ <- best we found and it's an ipad lookalike [07:25] and probably wont run 2.3 [07:25] why not use an ipad? [07:26] we've some custom app we wrote for android. Can't get full socket access to an ipad so can't rewrite it [07:26] also, ipads are out of budget [07:28] I'd flout the rules and setup an access point anyway :D [07:29] 'tis tempting [07:29] so chaps. I have been offered some free stuff if I blog about it (i.e. write a review). [07:29] pondering what wording to put on my blog to make it clear it's been given to me [07:29] Do the standard "Disclaimer: This was given to me for free by x" [07:37] if i had a blog, i would blog about the stuff i got for free [07:37] but only when it doesn't work [07:37] if you're honest in your review i don't see why what you paid for it matters [07:55] ali1234, nokia didn't obsolete anna 1 week after release, they obsoleted it 2 years before they started developing it [07:55] well of course [07:56] it's a sick world when symbian devices are not discontinued but webos ones are [07:56] that's not really true [07:56] 2 years ago was a long time [07:58] oh, btw, webos sucks [07:58] writing apps in html and javascript? lol [07:59] what i don't understand is why anyone thought it would be a good idea [08:00] android spent the first year of its life using a java *interpreter* [08:00] i mean why would i write an app for webos, when i could just write the same app, put it on a server, and have it run on all smartphones ever made? [08:00] well you know i hate java and .net too [08:00] do it in C, or don't bother [08:00] c's for girls. do it in assembler [08:01] I use the disk platter and a very fine magentised needle [08:01] i don't really care as long as the end result is native machine code with no dependencies beyond libc and platform apis :) [08:01] morning all [08:01] BigRedS, no butterflies? [08:02] o/ [08:03] directhex: only for calls to rand() :) [08:28] Good morning all! [08:28] morning [08:30] * TheOpenSourcerer is watching HP's website carefully. Apparently the Pre3 will be dumped at £49 [08:30] http://edition.cnn.com/2011/TECH/gaming.gadgets/08/22/hp.fire.sale/index.html [08:36] And the touchpad will be in Dixons online this afternoon(?) for £89... http://www.techradar.com/news/mobile-computing/tablets/hp-touchpad-uk-price-drop-confirmed--995403 [08:38] TheOpenSourcerer: isnt that story a day old? [08:38] hence, been and gone [08:39] Yeah - PC World have the 32G for £115.99 [08:39] in stock? [08:39] Apparently [08:39] ooh [08:40] morning all [08:40] morning diplo [08:41] would love a touchpad...i just don't need one and money is a bit tight :( [08:41] it's a good exercise in self control at these prices :( [08:42] I'm very tempted, anyone here bought one yet ? [08:42] They have just gone I think. [08:42] I'm more interested in the Pre3 phone [08:44] no doubt android will be on them by the end of the week [08:44] good morning. [08:46] morning brobostigon [08:46] ls [08:46] ls -lsa [08:46] damn [08:46] lol [08:46] morning brobostigon [08:46] *sigh* [08:46] morning MooDoo and TheOpenSourcerer [08:48] TheOpenSourcerer, http://imgur.com/95ulb ? [08:48] http://h41112.www4.hp.com/promo/webos/uk/en/smartphone/pre3.html [08:49] Twitter now saying they'll be £46 when dumped. [08:49] Morning all! [08:49] morning popey [08:49] Morning folks ;] [08:49] morning popey [08:49] hello matti [08:49] TheOpenSourcerer, paid £300 last week ¬_¬ [08:50] Ouch. [08:50] directhex: devaluation ftl [08:51] I did read that PC World/DSG would offer refunds to peeps who bought touchpads at full price. But that was unconfirmed. [08:51] Hey MooDoo [08:51] company credit card, don't much care [08:52] http://yfrog.com/kk3vkp [08:53] anyone tried the twitter client called turpial? [08:54] nein [08:56] seems quite good and light, just struggling a bit with getting a few things working [08:57] touchpads @ Staples [08:57] ""Server is too busy [08:57] heh [08:57] Anyone know if they've ported android to it yet [08:59] there are a group of 12 year olds working on it apparantly [08:59] daubers, why kill a good product'? [08:59] directhex: Ask HP? [09:00] Psychobudgie: I guess you've just read the same as me [09:00] http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/08/22/android_on_touchpad_project/ [09:00] pc world have the £115 one in stock [09:04] * daubers ponders ordering a big wadge of electrical components off t'interwebs [09:04] i ordered one from amazon and fully expect it to not be fulfilled [09:05] * TheOpenSourcerer has a farnell order winging its way to him. New soldering iron tip, sucker, FTDI cable and thin (avec lead) solder. [09:05] woo my japanese candy arrived [09:06] yay TheOpenSourcerer [09:06] Hello/ [09:06] hi [09:06] TheOpenSourcerer: I'm trying to coat my flat in sensors over the next couple of months, seems that buying sensors from the US is _much_ cheaper than from this side of the pond [09:07] Hello popey [09:07] i.e. I can get the bits to build a geiger counter for about £25 from 'merkia, where it would cost me ~£70 over here [09:07] http://ubuntuone.com/p/1CFx/ -_- [09:09] * TheOpenSourcerer slowly navigates through Staples checkout. With a Touchpad (hopefully) [09:10] Nice gord, let me know if it's any good [09:11] Is that from the site popey mentioned ? [09:11] tis [09:11] :) [09:11] Debated it myself, so will await your thoughts :) [09:12] not opening it for a while, waiting for a friends packet to arrive [09:13] popey: trying to download episodes from http://podcast.ubuntu-uk.org/ fails spectalularly - known issue? [09:13] TheOpenSourcerer: link? i saw sold out when i checked 10 mins ago [09:13] diplo, http://blip.tv/youcanplaythis/i-love-candy-anpanman-grape-gummy-5414392 <-- where i got the idea from, if you want to see what its like [09:14] oimon: I'm halfway through checkout. And it is very slow. [09:15] yeah the staples site is not responding at all [09:17] oimon: "spectacularly" ? [09:17] popey: RCN got one :) http://rorycellan.posterous.com/hah-rushed-out-this-morning-and-spent-89-on-a [09:18] popey: http://paste.ubuntu.com/673014/ [09:19] neat [09:19] aha! [09:20] try now oimon ? [09:21] \o/ [09:21] ta [09:23] Blast - Staples checkout dies halfway through. [09:23] Server is too busy [09:24] TheOpenSourcerer, staples dropped the in-store price overnight, so they sold out in store at 8 :( [09:25] hmmm staples near me, might go look later [09:26] they only ever had a couple in stock in store. [10:04] Morning all [10:05] er morning davmor2 me old pal me old mucker, bestest person i know *blush* [10:07] Morning MooDoo me owld mukka, you worry too much! :) [10:07] davmor2: i know....just felt a :) [10:08] MooDoo: You only got us up 30 minutes early don't worry about it :D [10:08] pmsl oops [10:12] dabs have >200 HP Touchpads (16GB) for £105.00 inc. [10:12] dabs is up? [10:12] just [10:12] TheOpenSourcerer, direct url? [10:12] http://www.dabs.com/products/hp-touchpad-tablet-webos-3-0-16gb-9-7--ips--1024-x-768--front-camera-wi-fi--bluetooth-hp-gloss-black-7K7D.html [10:13] "More than 200 on order, stock delayed" [10:14] that has just changed. [10:14] too slow :p [10:15] Yep - checkout barfed. [10:19] bah nationwide have the worst banking website i've ever used :( slow and unwiedly [10:30] only on linux [10:30] it's fast on windows for some reason [10:31] ActiveX? [10:32] IE optimized [10:32] This IRC channel is optimized for irssi. [10:32] kirrus: really? [10:32] irssi 0/ :) [10:32] the regular pages are super slow [10:33] oimon: yup. FF on my windows gaming box at home is fast, ff on the same box running 'nix is achingly slow [10:33] no it's not that [10:34] BLARG. hurry hurry, argos! [10:35] directhex: £349 [10:43] howdy all :D [10:44] People who went to Oggcamp, anyone know where to get the CLI Track python app [10:44] Fancy a play, links on cli track are obsolete [10:46] im not releasing it yet ;) [10:46] i am giong to eventually split it into seperate parts then release those [10:47] aha, was about to look for your name :) [10:47] :D [10:47] Was looking back at the vid to find it [10:47] Great, will you tweet when done ? Just added you [10:48] yeah when i find time to do work on it :) [10:48] davmor2: you're quiet....busy? [10:48] Cool, something I have been interested in ages but not got round to looking at [10:49] MooDoo: yeap, well it's that or picking on you ;) [10:49] davmor2: back to work you :) [10:49] haha [10:55] * andylockran needs to purchase some wireless headphonse [10:55] * directhex needs to purchase a £89 touchpad [10:56] whats so good about these touchpads? other than being cheap? [10:56] heh, if you find some where shout in here directhex :) [10:56] freakyclown, they're nice? [10:56] everyone just got bored of their jogglers ;) [10:56] * freakyclown strokes his xoom [10:56] freakyclown, this is proper xoom-grade competition, not those £100 android tablets you can buy with 1.6 on them [10:56] woo 1.6 [10:57] right on that happy note..ive done far far too much work today - time for the pub! [10:57] back after some lunch i think [11:01] staples website is still down way after they sold their stock.. [11:01] the "touchpad effect" [11:01] * TheOpenSourcerer is getting pissed off. Staples site died during checkout as did DABS and BT... Come ON ARGOS! Do the right thing. [11:02] TheOpenSourcerer, crescent electronics site: down [11:02] TheOpenSourcerer: argos have the high price, but no stock [11:02] TheOpenSourcerer, https://twitter.com/#!/ArgosHelpers/status/105711228139220992 [11:03] oimon, everyone did reserve-in-store [11:03] :( [11:03] think it's taking a risk to reserve at high prices [11:03] argos tip: if the price has not dropped by 5:15 today, loiter on the site at 5:30 (standard argos closing time), or the closing time for your local argos, and as soon as the store is officially closed, any expired reservations reopen [11:04] so you can steal a reservation at 5:30 [11:04] oimon, reservations have no commitment involved. [11:04] orly? [11:04] ya rly [11:05] The argos expiry for reserves is normally that they last for 48 hours though, so the order would have to have been made yesterday [11:05] also, pc world have half price touchpad accessories - i have a reservation for a charging dock and BT keyboard [11:05] DJones, right. some people did them the day before! [11:05] check stock in locations though shows no stock [11:05] every touchpad argos have has been reserved, but not purchased :p [11:06] oimon, that search excludes reserved items [11:06] do i sound confused? i am :P [11:06] so as soon as monday's reservations expire, they suddenly gain stock [11:06] my missis would like one to use as a posh kindle [11:07] mobile pornstation! [11:10] Argos is still showing them priced at around £400, are they discounting them at the checkout? [11:10] AT least the ones I just looked at [11:13] DJones, not discounting yet - everyone's holding reservations at full price & awaiting the drop [11:13] related note: if you tweet @argoshelpers, they can extend your resevation :p [11:14] Heh http://www.microscope.co.uk/news/reseller-news/touchpad-firesale-causes-server-crashes-and-sell-outs/ [11:16] http://ipad2news.co.uk/hp-touchpad-stock-checker Play.com website says they have stocks [11:17] they do. full price [11:18] Yes, but I wondered whether you could do a reserve & collect from store as with argos and just hold onto the reservation until the price drops [11:19] argos arent' allowing reserve for me since there's no stock [11:20] gah, i'm clearly failing to communicate here. [11:20] directhex: i saw...i need to loiter at 5.30ish [11:21] argos store has 10 touchpads. 10 people reserve them. argos store states it has 0 stock, as 10 stock - 10 reservations = 0 available. reservations last until the close of business the day after a reservation is made - so if those 10 people reserved on monday, their reservations are deleted at closing time on tuesday. so at closing time on tuesday, they now have 10 in stock again, even though they didn't sell any or get any deliveries [11:23] maybe i should take a irl trip to staples round the corner [11:23] Just emailed my mate in HP to see if he can blag me a couple. [11:23] they sold out at 8am. staples only carry 2 stock per store of computery items [11:24] so they can avoid needing storage space in stores, they calculate an estimate of how much of a given item might be needed at once, and never have more than that in stock. mcdonalds made that into an art form [11:25] how many people would be dashing to buy @ £199 i wonder [11:25] breaking even/small loss on the tablets could have built up a big customer base [11:26] oimon, i would. [11:28] loldongs, argos are extending reservations until sept 1st [11:30] O_O [11:32] i guess i'll go buy my accessories from pcw then. argos seems a dead cert at this point [11:33] Amazon still not listing a delivery date on the one I ordered last night [11:36] lol, it's MSM/QSD based [11:37] good luck getting a real OS to run on that [11:39] what's a "real os" in today's context? [11:39] ubuntu chroots are common enough [11:39] linux 3.0.0+ [11:40] it's qualcomm so you'll never get graphics drivers that work with anything other than the one kernel they adapted to it [11:41] as opposed to every single other ARM embedding company [11:41] ಠ_ಠ [11:41] as opposed to nvidia and TI, yes [11:42] there is a chance that the drivers are in Cyanogen? [11:42] lolomap [11:42] directhex: running inside a chroot is not that appealing to me TBH. [11:43] Daviey: If you can run in the chroot I'm sure someone will figure out how to run as the main build but with the existing kernel; it's not that hard if you can do it in a chroot [11:43] getting a new kernel on is of course more challenging [11:44] yeah you can easily build a new rootfs to run directly on their kernel [11:44] what you can't do is change any of: toolchain, kernel, glibc, xorg - and expect it to still work [11:46] penguin42: well yes [11:47] ali1234: No, I'd expect anything other than the kernel to work - possibly not x depending where they put the graphics driver [11:50] especially if you hit it with a big enough hammer :-) [11:50] given the mad rush to buy them, the hammer might just be big enough [11:51] but don't expect any help from qualcomm === acperkin1 is now known as acperkins [12:00] kazade, not sure if you follow hotukdeals, but they jus ttweeted Expansys, Prepaymania and Misco all going to have movement in the next hour [12:01] * Daviey might have a movement in the next hour. [12:01] O_o [12:02] tmi [12:05] misco seems hosed [12:05] * BigRedS assumed Daviey is waiting on a touchpad delivery [12:06] BigRedS: exactly. [12:09] A bit off topic, but can anybody recommend a free windows 7 pdf printer, I used to use CutePDF, but that seems to have changed a bit & doesn't work as well as I want [12:10] DJones: http://sourceforge.net/projects/pdfcreator/ [12:11] I need to be able to print multiple tabs from spreadsheets, but cutepdf doesn't do that anymore, every tab is an individual page [12:11] Looking [12:11] DJones: used that in the past [12:11] not sure how much to recommend it though [12:12] I'll give it a try [12:12] Was also looking at Bullzip pdf creator [12:13] not come across that one [12:13] palm eurostore is DOWN [12:13] DJones: Perhaps not quite what you want, but i wonder about creating a network pdf printer via cups on Ubuntu and sharing it? :) [12:13] * Daviey has never tried this, but it should work [12:14] Daviey: The machines at work only have windows on them :) [12:16] directhex: I am enjoying your updates :D [12:16] The only non-windows hardware owned by the business is the sales directors ipad [12:16] DJones: Gah! [12:16] popey, BLARG [12:17] popey, i have all the accessories now - half price at pcworld [12:17] directhex: For your action man? [12:17] directhex: buy me a touchpad, there's a good lad [12:18] Daviey, i've given up on getting multiple touchpads now. i'd settle for one. [12:18] directhex: get me two, I'll let you keep one [12:18] :D [12:19] popey: Email HP and ask for a review copy :) [12:19] hah [12:19] rumour: pc world getting more stock delivered later this week [12:20] directhex: i've been pondering getting 1 or 5. [12:20] Daviey, i could easily shift five - debian BBQ is this weekend [12:22] directhex: Ah dammit! I was thinking about going this time. [12:23] o/ [12:23] hello AlanBell# [12:23] AlanBell even [12:23] hi AlanBell [12:23] home at last [12:24] Have been trying to blag a couple of cheap HP touchpads... [12:24] waved to czajkowski as we passed at the airport [12:25] AlanBell: did you karate chop her to the floor? [12:25] £89 here are they not? [12:25] If you can find one yes. AlanBell [12:25] and as rare as rocking horse poop [12:26] I managed to get 1/2way through checkout on 3 stores but their sites crashed. [12:26] Busy day. [12:26] phone up? [12:26] AlanBell: i'm sorry rocking horse poop isn't rare ;) http://www.totallystupidgifts.com/ [12:26] none left in bricks and mortar shops [12:27] I also quite fancy one of these for £46.00 http://h41112.www4.hp.com/promo/webos/uk/en/smartphone/pre3.html [12:27] rumour: pc world getting more stock delivered later this week [12:27] TheOpenSourcerer, £46? [12:28] That's the rumour mill price. [12:28] $75 [12:28] TheOpenSourcerer: Now you're trying to make directhex a sad bunny [12:28] or €75 [12:28] woohoo they are giving them away on ebuyer if you spend £100 or more! [12:28] * popey spends [12:29] * freakyclown giggles [12:29] freakyclown: ddos-ing ebuyer? [12:29] freakyclown, link? [12:29] lol [12:29] not really i just made that up for lols... [12:29] * diplo wonders if they have the microserber on there [12:29] gah [12:29] popey, kickban time [12:29] server* [12:29] hah [12:29] i just got back from teh pub - cant be btohered working so trolling it is ;) [12:29] still makes me laugh the USA get the HP touchpad for $99 we get it for $184 not much difference there then [12:29] Bah, why doesn't anyone make a powerline adapter that does PoE [12:30] daubers, power over ethernet over power? [12:30] daubers, i want powerline ethernet that works over wireless power! [12:31] directhex: power over ethernet over ethernet over power :) [12:31] davmor2, ours includes 20% VAT [12:31] over [12:31] directhex: 85 dollars isn't 20% [12:31] davmor2, it is if you squint hard enough [12:32] * popey squits hard [12:32] nope [12:32] HARDER [12:32] still nearly 100% more [12:32] davmor2: You have to take in account export/import tax as well [12:34] daubers: This is why big companies have their Euro HQ here or Northern Ireland so they can dump the bulk of the tax off :) There are ways and means my friend ways and means :D [12:34] davmor2: Yes, but it looks like HP have enough problems already before you start the tax/duty evasion tactics :) [12:35] daubers: true enough [12:35] daubers: There was one PoE adapter i came acorss 2 years ago IIRC [12:36] (I was equally frustrated that it wasn't default) [12:36] Daviey: an EoP PoE adapter? I've found one that will do it, and it's more expensive than a EoP adapter plus a PoE injector [12:36] Which is rubbish [12:37] that was why i didn't go for it :) [12:37] heh [12:41] expansys just sold out at full price [12:41] people have a LOT of faith in distance selling regs [12:41] tesco stock has reappeared, full price [12:43] * daubers just wants to run arduinos powered by PoE talking via EoP [12:43] hah, I've considered that sort of mess a few times [12:43] I keep meaning to raid some LVs just for the pointlessness, too [12:50] !oneiric [12:50] Ubuntu 11.10 (Oneiric Ocelot) will be the fifteenth release of Ubuntu. Codename announcement here: http://www.markshuttleworth.com/?p=646 Discussion and support in #ubuntu+1 [12:51] before I reinvent the wheel, someone *must* already have some script/binary/something that I can run on a new server, wait, and have it tell me if it's good or not? [12:51] ideally where I get to define 'good' :) === oimon1 is now known as oimon [12:53] geekbench? [12:53] well if you're going to define goodness you're also going to have to write the script [12:53] phoronix test suite? [12:55] Ah yeah, I knew someone had made one but couldn't remember the 'phoronix' bit [12:55] how well it copes with a fork bomb? [12:55] penguin42: yeah, I was hoping for a big script where I could just set the params at the top [12:56] geekbench produces metrics and is simple to install. didn't have much luck with phoronix [12:56] Hugo Random Benchmark! [12:56] Everyone must run that! [12:56] "by install", geekbench is a simple script not rquiring installation [12:56] http://www.hantslug.org.uk/wiki/HugoRandomBenchmark [12:56] time perl -e 'for($i=0;$i<1e8;$i++) { }' [12:56] run that :D [12:57] see if you can beat Seeker` [12:57] Somebody ask for a long wait? [12:57] hah, yeah, I've had a few ideas like that [12:57] or indeed see if you can get a slowe machine than Simon [12:58] still chuffed my desktop pc is still in the top ten after a few years [12:58] freakyclown@guerrilla:~$ cat vpenis.sh [12:58] #!/bin/sh [12:58] LC_ALL=C [12:58] echo `uptime|grep days|sed 's/.*up $[0-9]*$ day.*/\1\/10+/'; \ [12:58] cat /proc/cpuinfo|grep MHz|awk '{print $4"/30 +";}'; free|grep '^Mem' \ [12:58] |awk '{print $3"/1024/3+"}'; df -P -k -x nfs | grep -v 1k \ [12:58] | awk '{if ($1 ~ "/dev/(scsi|sd)"){ s+= $2} s+= $2;} END \ [12:58] {print s/1024/50"/15+70";}'`|bc|sed 's/$.$$/.\1cm/' [12:58] !paste freakyclown [12:58]