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| kdub | what up channel? | 16:27 |
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| * pleia2 sips coffee, still waking up :) | 16:39 | |
| nhaines | I just ate one of the richest cupcakes I've ever had. | 16:40 |
| pleia2 | cupcakes_for_breakfast++ | 16:41 |
| nhaines | Cream cheese frosting, too. | 16:42 |
| pleia2 | yumm-o | 16:43 |
| akk | mmm | 16:44 |
| jledbetter | well, cream cheese goes on bagels so cream cheese breakfast cupcake totally makes sense ;) | 16:48 |
| kdub | lulz | 17:03 |
| philipballew | in your guys/gals opinion is it worth it to have rsa keys for ssh instead of a password | 20:52 |
| kdub_ | philipballew: back in SD? | 20:57 |
| philipballew | kdub_, i will be on friday | 20:57 |
| kdub_ | philipballew: its more convienent to have keys, but both are secure | 20:57 |
| nhaines | Is it worth it? | 20:58 |
| nhaines | Well, it can definitely be far more secure. | 20:58 |
| philipballew | well my current password is like 19 letters and numbers. | 20:58 |
| nhaines | Do you mean "is it worth the trouble"? But Ubuntu will set up the local *and* the remote host for you. | 20:58 |
| philipballew | i mean is it a better idea in the long run | 20:59 |
| nhaines | philipballew: you can enable RSA authentication and disable password authentication for remote connections. | 20:59 |
| nhaines | Undefined. What are you trying to accomplish? | 21:00 |
| philipballew | yeah. its certainly do-able/ well i have a server away from me just in case i need do do anything on a different network | 21:00 |
| nhaines | Let me put it this way. The only way I'm getting into my VPS console is with an RSA key. I can't use a password and the host won't enable that for me even if I asked. And I didn't ask. | 21:00 |
| philipballew | hum. ill just enable it. ill make them in my laptop and flash drive it over to the server | 21:03 |
| nhaines | philipballew: if you use the Ubuntu tool, it'll offer to set up the remote server for you. | 21:03 |
| philipballew | ubuntu has a special tool? | 21:05 |
| philipballew | nhaines, ^ | 21:05 |
| nhaines | GNOME does. It's called Seahorse. | 21:05 |
| nhaines | In Ubuntu, search for "Passwords & Encryption Keys" | 21:05 |
| nhaines | It handles passwords, GPG keys, and SSH keys. | 21:06 |
| nhaines | File > New, and then choosing "Secure Shell Key" will literally do everything for you, start to finish. | 21:07 |
| philipballew | yeah. seahorse. thats a gui tool. im running a cli only server. i'd just make the keys on my laptop and then ssh into my server and move them over I think nhaines ? | 21:07 |
| nhaines | You could also do that thing that wasn't what I said. | 21:08 |
| nhaines | If you use the GUI tool Seahorse, it will set up your server for you after it creates the key. | 21:09 |
| philipballew | hum. okay? | 21:09 |
| nhaines | Do you know how to set up RSA public key authentication for SSH on a server? | 21:11 |
| philipballew | yeah. its all in the setup file | 21:11 |
| nhaines | No it's not? (If by "setup file" you mean ssh_conf) | 21:12 |
| philipballew | that is what i mean | 21:12 |
| nhaines | You can enable the feature, but it's on by default in Debian and Ubuntu. | 21:13 |
| nhaines | I meant, do you know how to set up your user account on a server to enable you to log in using an RSA key? | 21:13 |
| philipballew | yeah its all here https://help.ubuntu.com/10.04/serverguide/C/openssh-server.html | 21:14 |
| nhaines | Well, you didn't really explain why you wanted to set up RSA, what you hope it will achieve, and you don't want to follow my suggestion, so I suppose I recommend just following the server guide. | 21:17 |
| philipballew | hey :) i never said i would or wouldnt, i was just trying to get a clearer understanding of what you were sayin | 21:18 |
| nhaines | There's no wrong way to create an SSH key and add it to a server (it goes in ~/.ssh/authorized_keys, btw, nowhere near ssh_conf)! | 21:20 |
| nhaines | But asking for advice and not providing context is useless at best (you'll get bad info) and rude at worst (you'll waste advice-givers' time). | 21:21 |
| nhaines | I'm not upset, btw. :) | 21:21 |
| philipballew | i know :) your better at the tech support then me :) so your way sends the rsa key straight to the server without any flashdrive or anything? | 21:22 |
| nhaines | Yeah. Basically, Seahorse SSHes in and appends the public key directly to ~/.ssh/authorized_keys | 21:23 |
| nhaines | You can do it yourself... I used to do it by hand all the time. | 21:23 |
| nhaines | But frankly, once I found out Seahorse will do it for me, I didn't see the point. It's a pain. :) | 21:23 |
| nhaines | My standing recommendation is to do things manually once or twice to see how they work, and don't do it manually ever again. | 21:24 |
| nhaines | In this case, you could inspect the .ssh directory, and then just use Seahorse to set everything up, and inspect the ~/.ssh directory again to see what changed. It's very simple. | 21:25 |
| philipballew | so id by doing this all from my laptop which is the client side? | 21:26 |
| nhaines | Exactly. You never want the secret key on the server. | 21:26 |
| iheartubuntu | has anyone tried Quake Live yet? http://www.quakelive.com/ | 21:26 |
| nhaines | iheartubuntu: nope! | 21:26 |
| iheartubuntu | works great in 10.10 using firefox | 21:27 |
| philipballew | never have ^ | 21:27 |
| nhaines | Thought about it though. Hope it runs better than Minecraft. :) | 21:27 |
| iheartubuntu | i dont think it uses java | 21:27 |
| iheartubuntu | some special firefox addon | 21:27 |
| philipballew | minecraft runs good with sun java i herd. | 21:27 |
| nhaines | philipballew: more like exclusively with Oracle Java. :) | 21:28 |
| iheartubuntu | yeah, works good | 21:28 |
| iheartubuntu | i was trying minecraft when it was free last week | 21:29 |
| sn9 | sudo apt-get --purge remove good | 21:29 |
| philipballew | i have been tempted to set up a minecraft server sometimes | 21:30 |
| nhaines | Was it free last week? I bought it back when it was only €10 and I'm sort of glad I did at the current price. :) | 21:30 |
| nhaines | I was kind of sad I couldn't do the buy-game-get-free-gift-code-for-game deal. | 21:30 |
| nhaines | akk: \o_ | 21:30 |
| iheartubuntu | it was free for a week or two during the latest humble bundle deal | 21:30 |
| philipballew | its 22 bucjs | 21:31 |
| philipballew | *bucks | 21:31 |
| akk | hi nhaines | 21:31 |
| philipballew | whats up iheartubuntu | 21:31 |
| iheartubuntu | probably shouldnt play quake during work | 21:32 |
| iheartubuntu | :D | 21:32 |
| nhaines | Oh, it's still only €14,95 and now they have an actual US Dollar price. Classy! :) | 21:32 |
| iheartubuntu | regnum online changed their name for USA to realms online | 21:33 |
| iheartubuntu | now with US servers | 21:33 |
| iheartubuntu | no idea yet about fri/sat... i'll be free one of those days for sure | 21:34 |
| philipballew | alright. you have my number? | 21:35 |
| philipballew | iheartubuntu, ^ | 21:35 |
| iheartubuntu | not sure | 21:35 |
| iheartubuntu | lemme check my mail | 21:35 |
| iheartubuntu | i cant find it | 21:36 |
| iheartubuntu | :) | 21:36 |
| iheartubuntu | i do have your address | 21:37 |
| iheartubuntu | but, thats probably old now | 21:37 |
| philipballew | 530-305-6497 | 21:37 |
| iheartubuntu | k | 21:37 |
| nhaines | Google will remember that forever now. | 21:37 |
| iheartubuntu | thx | 21:37 |
| iheartubuntu | haha | 21:37 |
| philipballew | if everyone in the channel starts calling ill laugh | 21:37 |
| iheartubuntu | so if he forgets he can google his number now | 21:38 |
| philipballew | see iheartubuntu guts it | 21:38 |
| sn9 | publicly logged channel... | 21:38 |
| iheartubuntu | in the future we will all be anonymous for 15 minutes | 21:39 |
| sn9 | i put my cell in nickserv info ages ago. maybe i should replace that with the google voice number, idk | 21:39 |
| nhaines | I thought about doing that once. Adding the Google Voice number might be interesting. | 21:41 |
| philipballew | not all loco channels are logged | 21:42 |
| sn9 | this one is | 21:42 |
| philipballew | its true. it is | 21:43 |
| * sn9 is suddenly nostalgic for the days of being the only one who idled in #ubuntu-california full-time | 21:43 | |
| philipballew | petition to get us kicked off :) | 21:44 |
| nhaines | The LoCo Council wants to force all LoCo channels to be logged, but they know they don't have the cache to do it. So they abused a conflict in this channel to force it to be logged and tried to hide the fact. | 21:45 |
| philipballew | people these days... | 21:45 |
| philipballew | conflict can be a good thing | 21:45 |
| nhaines | Every so often they say they're going to force logging on all LoCo channels, then a ton of people have a fit, then they say when they said it's a "rule" they really meant "guideline" and purely optional, and try to pretend they didn't threaten consequences in the initial email. | 21:46 |
| nhaines | Then it all dies down until the next time they threaten to force all LoCo channels to be logged. | 21:46 |
| bkerensa | Oregon LoCo was told its mandatory | 21:50 |
| nhaines | bkerensa: they were lied to, which seems to be the norm. | 21:50 |
| bkerensa | MarkDude tried to epic battle about it and in the end the result was it was "mandatory" | 21:50 |
| nhaines | bkerensa: that's what happened in this channel, too. | 21:50 |
| bkerensa | nhaines: So council lied to us? :P | 21:50 |
| nhaines | bkerensa: yes, they did. | 21:50 |
| MArkDude | Yep | 21:51 |
| philipballew | Drama! | 21:51 |
| MArkDude | Everyone - minus jono lied in the situation | 21:51 |
| MArkDude | And I still wont divulge what he said, but the rumors of him threatening an upside down crucifixion of me live on stage- might be true | 21:52 |
| MArkDude | paultag was mostly honest, yet still had his position to play | 21:52 |
| MArkDude | MArk vs MarkS over logging. Fedorans would NOT be happy | 21:54 |
| philipballew | why would they MArkDude | 21:54 |
| MArkDude | bkerensa: it is a moot point, the logic to take apart PNW was flawed- and is not technically correct, so it could be argued - that yes it really does exist | 21:55 |
| MArkDude | philipballew: Most of my time is spent in FEdora activities | 21:55 |
| MArkDude | I try to foster dialog between many distros | 21:55 |
| MArkDude | Technically I could, since when I switched, I informed them of my being part of ORegon team- they told me to see it thru till the end | 21:56 |
| * bkerensa is not for logging personally but what can ya do? | 21:56 | |
| philipballew | haha, but fedora is sick! if you have linux with so few users compared to other os's not talking to other users cause they use another distro is kinda lame | 21:56 |
| MArkDude | Well not to mention the buckets of $ spent | 21:57 |
| MArkDude | As with anything - you can fight | 21:57 |
| MArkDude | But it depends on those around you | 21:57 |
| MArkDude | When it came down to it- there were many people against logging - that did not want to be vocal or make waves | 21:58 |
| MArkDude | In another life - I would have been asking for loggging to be removed here- since the EXACT reasons given (besides me) we the existing drama. And there really appears to be none now | 21:59 |
| akk | Having vocal people against logging doesn't seem to make much difference anyway. | 21:59 |
| MArkDude | Oh, | 22:06 |
| * MArkDude forgot that he thought his point would prevail- since akk sorta agreed with me | 22:06 | |
| MArkDude | And as near I can tell has NEVEr been wrong ;) | 22:07 |
| * MArkDude stumbled across his over-dramatic pic I made ----- Ubuntu is watching you! | 22:07 | |
| * MArkDude is happy to not be fighting with his friends in Ubuntu at the present time | 22:08 | |
| iheartubuntu | so why not an uprising to correct things here? | 22:08 |
| MArkDude | <3 | 22:08 |
| iheartubuntu | its not even halloween and i was just shining up my pitchfork in the garage last night | 22:10 |
| iheartubuntu | with philipballew phone # he will be the new go to guy for all ubuntu help :) | 22:11 |
| iheartubuntu | ok, i have two windows computers left to convert here at work. one of them is running a handmade MS access program so im not going to change that box... | 22:12 |
| iheartubuntu | but i am going to get rid of the other windows box and convert it to an ubuntu server | 22:13 |
| iheartubuntu | in time that last windows box with ms access program i will learn to convert the program to ruby. but thats a ways off. | 22:13 |
| iheartubuntu | my question is this... | 22:14 |
| iheartubuntu | the ubuntu server box... | 22:14 |
| iheartubuntu | im concerned with dirt and lint build up. any suggestions? | 22:14 |
| iheartubuntu | i want to run it for years on end :) or should i take it offline every 6 months to clean it out | 22:14 |
| philipballew | buy a micro-cpntroller and hoot iy up to a arm with a duster on it | 22:15 |
| philipballew | *hook it | 22:15 |
| iheartubuntu | thats sounds like a crop airplane | 22:16 |
| iheartubuntu | micro controller? do tell | 22:16 |
| philipballew | store it in a clean room> | 22:16 |
| akk | like an arduino | 22:16 |
| philipballew | ^yes! | 22:16 |
| nhaines | Hardware failure happens when a system has been shut down and powers back up. So be prepared to replace hardware when you schedule downtime on that machine. | 22:16 |
| iheartubuntu | i have a P4 box i was just going to make into a server | 22:16 |
| iheartubuntu | so what can i do? dust it every so often without turning it off? | 22:17 |
| nhaines | So be prepared to replace hardware when you schedule downtime on that machine. | 22:17 |
| philipballew | my cd drives wont get detected by the motherboard when i had to turn mine off | 22:18 |
| akk | You can certainly blow out dust on a running machine | 22:19 |
| akk | but hardware failures can happen while a machine is up and running too | 22:19 |
| iheartubuntu | i have that prob on my work comp here now... my cd drives cannot be seen. im too lazy to open the box up and check the connections. | 22:19 |
| philipballew | i chacked mine, there in there just fine... | 22:19 |
| iheartubuntu | and i rarely use my cd drive anymore anyways | 22:20 |
| iheartubuntu | its always usb sticks or ubuntuone | 22:20 |
| iheartubuntu | i guess i have never had to think about a server box before. | 22:21 |
| iheartubuntu | technically one of the windows boxes just sits there all day and i have the server files on it so it acts as the server | 22:21 |
| iheartubuntu | ive been leery to make the switch as im not sure how windows will see an ubuntu box | 22:23 |
| iheartubuntu | right now i have our accountant running ubuntu and then XP within ubuntu using virtualbox so she can run the accounting software | 22:24 |
| iheartubuntu | so the virtual XP would need to be able to see the ubuntu server | 22:25 |
| iheartubuntu | confusing i know | 22:25 |
| iheartubuntu | (job security) haha | 22:25 |
| iheartubuntu | if Mac is based on freebsd shouldnt it be theoretically easy to port programs over to linux? | 22:36 |
| akk | It is pretty easy, for programs that don't have a GUI. | 22:36 |
| iheartubuntu | and there is no mac emulator for linux is there | 22:43 |
| iheartubuntu | i came across mac-on-linux but the project hasnt moved since 2007 | 22:43 |
| akk | No -- it's hard even to run OS X inside a virtual machine, let alone an emulator. | 22:44 |
| philipballew | do we have any plans for free software day? | 23:20 |
| nhaines | Using Samba, Windows sees Ubuntu boxes just fine. | 23:25 |
| jyo | Isn't Lion a lot friendlier towards virtualization though? | 23:28 |
| crashsystems | IIRC OSX virtualizes just fine, it just checks to make sure it is virtualizing on Apple hardware first. | 23:33 |
| crashsystems | this somewhat defeats the purpose of virtualization of course | 23:34 |
| nhaines | Not really.. virtualization is good for separation of services and portability. | 23:37 |
| crashsystems | true, but it still takes away some usefulness | 23:38 |
| sn9 | osx requires vmware. it does not work under virtualbox or qemu | 23:39 |
| nhaines | sn9: I thought OS X *did* work under Virtualbox. | 23:40 |
| sn9 | nope | 23:41 |
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