[16:27] <kdub> what up channel?
[16:39]  * pleia2 sips coffee, still waking up :)
[16:40] <nhaines> I just ate one of the richest cupcakes I've ever had.
[16:41] <pleia2> cupcakes_for_breakfast++
[16:42] <nhaines> Cream cheese frosting, too.
[16:43] <pleia2> yumm-o
[16:44] <akk> mmm
[16:48] <jledbetter> well, cream cheese goes on bagels so cream cheese breakfast cupcake totally makes sense ;)
[17:03] <kdub> lulz
[20:52] <philipballew> in your guys/gals opinion is it worth it to have rsa keys for ssh instead of a password
[20:57] <kdub_> philipballew: back in SD?
[20:57] <philipballew> kdub_, i will be on friday
[20:57] <kdub_> philipballew: its more convienent to have keys, but both are secure
[20:58] <nhaines> Is it worth it?
[20:58] <nhaines> Well, it can definitely be far more secure.
[20:58] <philipballew> well my current password is like 19 letters and numbers.
[20:58] <nhaines> Do you mean "is it worth the trouble"?  But Ubuntu will set up the local *and* the remote host for you.
[20:59] <philipballew> i mean is it a better idea in the long run
[20:59] <nhaines> philipballew: you can enable RSA authentication and disable password authentication for remote connections.
[21:00] <nhaines> Undefined.  What are you trying to accomplish?
[21:00] <philipballew> yeah. its certainly do-able/ well i have a server away from me just in case i need do do anything on a different network
[21:00] <nhaines> Let me put it this way.  The only way I'm getting into my VPS console is with an RSA key.  I can't use a password and the host won't enable that for me even if I asked.  And I didn't ask.
[21:03] <philipballew> hum. ill just enable it. ill make them in my laptop and flash drive it over to the server
[21:03] <nhaines> philipballew: if you use the Ubuntu tool, it'll offer to set up the remote server for you.
[21:05] <philipballew> ubuntu has a special tool?
[21:05] <philipballew> nhaines, ^
[21:05] <nhaines> GNOME does.  It's called Seahorse.
[21:05] <nhaines> In Ubuntu, search for "Passwords & Encryption Keys"
[21:06] <nhaines> It handles passwords, GPG keys, and SSH keys.
[21:07] <nhaines> File > New, and then choosing "Secure Shell Key" will literally do everything for you, start to finish.
[21:07] <philipballew> yeah. seahorse. thats a gui tool. im running a cli only server. i'd just make the keys on my laptop and then ssh into my server and move them over I think nhaines ?
[21:08] <nhaines> You could also do that thing that wasn't what I said.
[21:09] <nhaines> If you use the GUI tool Seahorse, it will set up your server for you after it creates the key.
[21:09] <philipballew> hum. okay?
[21:11] <nhaines> Do you know how to set up RSA public key authentication for SSH on a server?
[21:11] <philipballew> yeah. its all in the setup file
[21:12] <nhaines> No it's not?  (If by "setup file" you mean ssh_conf)
[21:12] <philipballew> that is what i mean
[21:13] <nhaines> You can enable the feature, but it's on by default in Debian and Ubuntu.
[21:13] <nhaines> I meant, do you know how to set up your user account on a server to enable you to log in using an RSA key?
[21:14] <philipballew> yeah its all here https://help.ubuntu.com/10.04/serverguide/C/openssh-server.html
[21:17] <nhaines> Well, you didn't really explain why you wanted to set up RSA, what you hope it will achieve, and you don't want to follow my suggestion, so I suppose I recommend just following the server guide.
[21:18] <philipballew> hey :) i never said i would or wouldnt, i was just trying to get a clearer understanding of what you were sayin
[21:20] <nhaines> There's no wrong way to create an SSH key and add it to a server (it goes in ~/.ssh/authorized_keys, btw, nowhere near ssh_conf)!
[21:21] <nhaines> But asking for advice and not providing context is useless at best (you'll get bad info) and rude at worst (you'll waste advice-givers' time).
[21:21] <nhaines> I'm not upset, btw.  :)
[21:22] <philipballew> i know :) your better at the tech support then me :) so your way sends the rsa key straight to the server without any flashdrive or anything?
[21:23] <nhaines> Yeah.  Basically, Seahorse SSHes in and appends the public key directly to ~/.ssh/authorized_keys
[21:23] <nhaines> You can do it yourself... I used to do it by hand all the time.
[21:23] <nhaines> But frankly, once I found out Seahorse will do it for me, I didn't see the point.  It's a pain.  :)
[21:24] <nhaines> My standing recommendation is to do things manually once or twice to see how they work, and don't do it manually ever again.
[21:25] <nhaines> In this case, you could inspect the .ssh directory, and then just use Seahorse to set everything up, and inspect the ~/.ssh directory again to see what changed.  It's very simple.
[21:26] <philipballew> so id by doing this all from my laptop which is the client side?
[21:26] <nhaines> Exactly.  You never want the secret key on the server.
[21:26] <iheartubuntu> has anyone tried Quake Live yet? http://www.quakelive.com/
[21:26] <nhaines> iheartubuntu: nope!
[21:27] <iheartubuntu> works great in 10.10 using firefox
[21:27] <philipballew> never have ^
[21:27] <nhaines> Thought about it though.  Hope it runs better than Minecraft.  :)
[21:27] <iheartubuntu> i dont think it uses java
[21:27] <iheartubuntu> some special firefox addon
[21:27] <philipballew> minecraft runs good with sun java i herd.
[21:28] <nhaines> philipballew: more like exclusively with Oracle Java.  :)
[21:28] <iheartubuntu> yeah, works good
[21:29] <iheartubuntu> i was trying minecraft when it was free last week
[21:29] <sn9> sudo apt-get --purge remove good
[21:30] <philipballew> i have been tempted to set up a minecraft server sometimes
[21:30] <nhaines> Was it free last week?  I bought it back when it was only €10 and I'm sort of glad I did at the current price.  :)
[21:30] <nhaines> I was kind of sad I couldn't do the buy-game-get-free-gift-code-for-game deal.
[21:30] <nhaines> akk: \o_
[21:30] <iheartubuntu> it was free for a week or two during the latest humble bundle deal
[21:31] <philipballew> its 22 bucjs
[21:31] <philipballew> *bucks
[21:31] <akk> hi nhaines
[21:31] <philipballew> whats up iheartubuntu
[21:32] <iheartubuntu> probably shouldnt play quake during work
[21:32] <iheartubuntu> :D
[21:32] <nhaines> Oh, it's still only €14,95 and now they have an actual US Dollar price.  Classy!  :)
[21:33] <iheartubuntu> regnum online changed their name for USA to realms online
[21:33] <iheartubuntu> now with US servers
[21:34] <iheartubuntu> no idea yet about fri/sat... i'll be free one of those days for sure
[21:35] <philipballew> alright. you have my number?
[21:35] <philipballew> iheartubuntu, ^
[21:35] <iheartubuntu> not sure
[21:35] <iheartubuntu> lemme check my mail
[21:36] <iheartubuntu> i cant find it
[21:36] <iheartubuntu> :)
[21:37] <iheartubuntu> i do have your address
[21:37] <iheartubuntu> but, thats probably old now
[21:37] <philipballew> 530-305-6497
[21:37] <iheartubuntu> k
[21:37] <nhaines> Google will remember that forever now.
[21:37] <iheartubuntu> thx
[21:37] <iheartubuntu> haha
[21:37] <philipballew> if everyone in the channel starts calling ill laugh
[21:38] <iheartubuntu> so if he forgets he can google his number now
[21:38] <philipballew> see iheartubuntu guts it
[21:38] <sn9> publicly logged channel...
[21:39] <iheartubuntu> in the future we will all be anonymous for 15 minutes
[21:39] <sn9> i put my cell in nickserv info ages ago. maybe i should replace that with the google voice number, idk
[21:41] <nhaines> I thought about doing that once.  Adding the Google Voice number might be interesting.
[21:42] <philipballew> not all loco channels are logged
[21:42] <sn9> this one is
[21:43] <philipballew> its true. it is
[21:43]  * sn9 is suddenly nostalgic for the days of being the only one who idled in #ubuntu-california full-time
[21:44] <philipballew> petition to get us kicked off :)
[21:45] <nhaines> The LoCo Council wants to force all LoCo channels to be logged, but they know they don't have the cache to do it.  So they abused a conflict in this channel to force it to be logged and tried to hide the fact.
[21:45] <philipballew> people these days...
[21:45] <philipballew> conflict can be a good thing
[21:46] <nhaines> Every so often they say they're going to force logging on all LoCo channels, then a ton of people have a fit, then they say when they said it's a "rule" they really meant "guideline" and purely optional, and try to pretend they didn't threaten consequences in the initial email.
[21:46] <nhaines> Then it all dies down until the next time they threaten to force all LoCo channels to be logged.
[21:50] <bkerensa> Oregon LoCo was told its mandatory
[21:50] <nhaines> bkerensa: they were lied to, which seems to be the norm.
[21:50] <bkerensa> MarkDude tried to epic battle about it and in the end the result was it was "mandatory"
[21:50] <nhaines> bkerensa: that's what happened in this channel, too.
[21:50] <bkerensa> nhaines: So council lied to us? :P
[21:50] <nhaines> bkerensa: yes, they did.
[21:51] <MArkDude> Yep
[21:51] <philipballew> Drama!
[21:51] <MArkDude> Everyone - minus jono lied in the situation
[21:52] <MArkDude> And I still wont divulge what he said, but the rumors of him threatening an upside down crucifixion of me live on stage- might be true
[21:52] <MArkDude> paultag was mostly honest, yet still had his position to play
[21:54] <MArkDude> MArk vs MarkS over logging. Fedorans would NOT be happy
[21:54] <philipballew> why would they MArkDude
[21:55] <MArkDude> bkerensa: it is a moot point, the logic to take apart PNW was flawed- and is not technically correct, so it could be argued - that yes it really does exist
[21:55] <MArkDude> philipballew: Most of my time is spent in FEdora activities
[21:55] <MArkDude> I try to foster dialog between many distros
[21:56] <MArkDude> Technically I could, since when I switched, I informed them of my being part of ORegon team- they told me to see it thru till the end
[21:56]  * bkerensa is not for logging personally but what can ya do?
[21:56] <philipballew> haha, but fedora is sick! if you have linux with so few users compared to other os's not talking to other users cause they use another distro is kinda lame
[21:57] <MArkDude> Well not to mention the buckets of $ spent
[21:57] <MArkDude> As with anything - you can fight
[21:57] <MArkDude> But it depends on those around you
[21:58] <MArkDude> When it came down to it- there were many people against logging - that did not want to be vocal or make waves
[21:59] <MArkDude> In another life - I would have been asking for loggging to be removed here- since the EXACT reasons given (besides me) we the existing drama. And there really appears to be none now
[21:59] <akk> Having vocal people against logging doesn't seem to make much difference anyway.
[22:06] <MArkDude> Oh,
[22:06]  * MArkDude forgot that he thought his point would prevail- since akk sorta agreed with me
[22:07] <MArkDude> And as near I can tell has NEVEr been wrong ;)
[22:07]  * MArkDude stumbled across his over-dramatic pic I made ----- Ubuntu is watching you!
[22:08]  * MArkDude is happy to not be fighting with his friends in Ubuntu at the present time
[22:08] <iheartubuntu> so why not an uprising to correct things here?
[22:08] <MArkDude> <3
[22:10] <iheartubuntu> its not even halloween and i was just shining up my pitchfork in the garage last night
[22:11] <iheartubuntu> with philipballew phone # he will be the new go to guy for all ubuntu help :)
[22:12] <iheartubuntu> ok, i have two windows computers left to convert here at work. one of them is running a handmade MS access program so im not going to change that box...
[22:13] <iheartubuntu> but i am going to get rid of the other windows box and convert it to an ubuntu server
[22:13] <iheartubuntu> in time that last windows box with ms access program i will learn to convert the program to ruby. but thats a ways off.
[22:14] <iheartubuntu> my question is this...
[22:14] <iheartubuntu> the ubuntu server box...
[22:14] <iheartubuntu> im concerned with dirt and lint build up. any suggestions?
[22:14] <iheartubuntu> i want to run it for years on end :) or should i take it offline every 6 months to clean it out
[22:15] <philipballew> buy a micro-cpntroller and hoot iy up to a arm with a duster on it
[22:15] <philipballew> *hook it
[22:16] <iheartubuntu> thats sounds like a crop airplane
[22:16] <iheartubuntu> micro controller? do tell
[22:16] <philipballew> store it in a clean room>
[22:16] <akk> like an arduino
[22:16] <philipballew> ^yes!
[22:16] <nhaines> Hardware failure happens when a system has been shut down and powers back up.  So be prepared to replace hardware when you schedule downtime on that machine.
[22:16] <iheartubuntu> i have a P4 box i was just going to make into a server
[22:17] <iheartubuntu> so what can i do? dust it every so often without turning it off?
[22:17] <nhaines> So be prepared to replace hardware when you schedule downtime on that machine.
[22:18] <philipballew> my cd drives wont get detected by the motherboard when i had to turn mine off
[22:19] <akk> You can certainly blow out dust on a running machine
[22:19] <akk> but hardware failures can happen while a machine is up and running too
[22:19] <iheartubuntu> i have that prob on my work comp here now... my cd drives cannot be seen. im too lazy to open the box up and check the connections.
[22:19] <philipballew> i chacked mine, there in there just fine...
[22:20] <iheartubuntu> and i rarely use my cd drive anymore anyways
[22:20] <iheartubuntu> its always usb sticks or ubuntuone
[22:21] <iheartubuntu> i guess i have never had to think about a server box before.
[22:21] <iheartubuntu> technically one of the windows boxes just sits there all day and i have the server files on it so it acts as the server
[22:23] <iheartubuntu> ive been leery to make the switch as im not sure how windows will see an ubuntu box
[22:24] <iheartubuntu> right now i have our accountant running ubuntu and then XP within ubuntu using virtualbox so she can run the accounting software
[22:25] <iheartubuntu> so the virtual XP would need to be able to see the ubuntu server
[22:25] <iheartubuntu> confusing i know
[22:25] <iheartubuntu> (job security) haha
[22:36] <iheartubuntu> if Mac is based on freebsd shouldnt it be theoretically easy to port programs over to linux?
[22:36] <akk> It is pretty easy, for programs that don't have a GUI.
[22:43] <iheartubuntu> and there is no mac emulator for linux is there
[22:43] <iheartubuntu> i came across mac-on-linux but the project hasnt moved since 2007
[22:44] <akk> No -- it's hard even to run OS X inside a virtual machine, let alone an emulator.
[23:20] <philipballew> do we have any plans for free software day?
[23:25] <nhaines> Using Samba, Windows sees Ubuntu boxes just fine.
[23:28] <jyo> Isn't Lion a lot friendlier towards virtualization though?
[23:33] <crashsystems> IIRC OSX virtualizes just fine, it just checks to make sure it is virtualizing on Apple hardware first.
[23:34] <crashsystems> this somewhat defeats the purpose of virtualization of course
[23:37] <nhaines> Not really.. virtualization is good for separation of services and portability.
[23:38] <crashsystems> true, but it still takes away some usefulness
[23:39] <sn9> osx requires vmware. it does not work under virtualbox or qemu
[23:40] <nhaines> sn9: I thought OS X *did* work under Virtualbox.
[23:41] <sn9> nope