=== aaditya_ is now known as aaditya === bkerensa is now known as bkerensa|ZzZz [16:27] what up channel? [16:39] * pleia2 sips coffee, still waking up :) [16:40] I just ate one of the richest cupcakes I've ever had. [16:41] cupcakes_for_breakfast++ [16:42] Cream cheese frosting, too. [16:43] yumm-o [16:44] mmm [16:48] well, cream cheese goes on bagels so cream cheese breakfast cupcake totally makes sense ;) [17:03] lulz [20:52] in your guys/gals opinion is it worth it to have rsa keys for ssh instead of a password [20:57] philipballew: back in SD? [20:57] kdub_, i will be on friday [20:57] philipballew: its more convienent to have keys, but both are secure [20:58] Is it worth it? [20:58] Well, it can definitely be far more secure. [20:58] well my current password is like 19 letters and numbers. [20:58] Do you mean "is it worth the trouble"? But Ubuntu will set up the local *and* the remote host for you. [20:59] i mean is it a better idea in the long run [20:59] philipballew: you can enable RSA authentication and disable password authentication for remote connections. [21:00] Undefined. What are you trying to accomplish? [21:00] yeah. its certainly do-able/ well i have a server away from me just in case i need do do anything on a different network [21:00] Let me put it this way. The only way I'm getting into my VPS console is with an RSA key. I can't use a password and the host won't enable that for me even if I asked. And I didn't ask. [21:03] hum. ill just enable it. ill make them in my laptop and flash drive it over to the server [21:03] philipballew: if you use the Ubuntu tool, it'll offer to set up the remote server for you. [21:05] ubuntu has a special tool? [21:05] nhaines, ^ [21:05] GNOME does. It's called Seahorse. [21:05] In Ubuntu, search for "Passwords & Encryption Keys" [21:06] It handles passwords, GPG keys, and SSH keys. [21:07] File > New, and then choosing "Secure Shell Key" will literally do everything for you, start to finish. [21:07] yeah. seahorse. thats a gui tool. im running a cli only server. i'd just make the keys on my laptop and then ssh into my server and move them over I think nhaines ? [21:08] You could also do that thing that wasn't what I said. [21:09] If you use the GUI tool Seahorse, it will set up your server for you after it creates the key. [21:09] hum. okay? [21:11] Do you know how to set up RSA public key authentication for SSH on a server? [21:11] yeah. its all in the setup file [21:12] No it's not? (If by "setup file" you mean ssh_conf) [21:12] that is what i mean [21:13] You can enable the feature, but it's on by default in Debian and Ubuntu. [21:13] I meant, do you know how to set up your user account on a server to enable you to log in using an RSA key? [21:14] yeah its all here https://help.ubuntu.com/10.04/serverguide/C/openssh-server.html [21:17] Well, you didn't really explain why you wanted to set up RSA, what you hope it will achieve, and you don't want to follow my suggestion, so I suppose I recommend just following the server guide. [21:18] hey :) i never said i would or wouldnt, i was just trying to get a clearer understanding of what you were sayin [21:20] There's no wrong way to create an SSH key and add it to a server (it goes in ~/.ssh/authorized_keys, btw, nowhere near ssh_conf)! [21:21] But asking for advice and not providing context is useless at best (you'll get bad info) and rude at worst (you'll waste advice-givers' time). [21:21] I'm not upset, btw. :) [21:22] i know :) your better at the tech support then me :) so your way sends the rsa key straight to the server without any flashdrive or anything? [21:23] Yeah. Basically, Seahorse SSHes in and appends the public key directly to ~/.ssh/authorized_keys [21:23] You can do it yourself... I used to do it by hand all the time. [21:23] But frankly, once I found out Seahorse will do it for me, I didn't see the point. It's a pain. :) [21:24] My standing recommendation is to do things manually once or twice to see how they work, and don't do it manually ever again. [21:25] In this case, you could inspect the .ssh directory, and then just use Seahorse to set everything up, and inspect the ~/.ssh directory again to see what changed. It's very simple. [21:26] so id by doing this all from my laptop which is the client side? [21:26] Exactly. You never want the secret key on the server. [21:26] has anyone tried Quake Live yet? http://www.quakelive.com/ [21:26] iheartubuntu: nope! [21:27] works great in 10.10 using firefox [21:27] never have ^ [21:27] Thought about it though. Hope it runs better than Minecraft. :) [21:27] i dont think it uses java [21:27] some special firefox addon [21:27] minecraft runs good with sun java i herd. [21:28] philipballew: more like exclusively with Oracle Java. :) [21:28] yeah, works good [21:29] i was trying minecraft when it was free last week [21:29] sudo apt-get --purge remove good [21:30] i have been tempted to set up a minecraft server sometimes [21:30] Was it free last week? I bought it back when it was only €10 and I'm sort of glad I did at the current price. :) [21:30] I was kind of sad I couldn't do the buy-game-get-free-gift-code-for-game deal. [21:30] akk: \o_ [21:30] it was free for a week or two during the latest humble bundle deal [21:31] its 22 bucjs [21:31] *bucks [21:31] hi nhaines [21:31] whats up iheartubuntu [21:32] probably shouldnt play quake during work [21:32] :D [21:32] Oh, it's still only €14,95 and now they have an actual US Dollar price. Classy! :) [21:33] regnum online changed their name for USA to realms online [21:33] now with US servers [21:34] no idea yet about fri/sat... i'll be free one of those days for sure [21:35] alright. you have my number? [21:35] iheartubuntu, ^ [21:35] not sure [21:35] lemme check my mail [21:36] i cant find it [21:36] :) [21:37] i do have your address [21:37] but, thats probably old now [21:37] 530-305-6497 [21:37] k [21:37] Google will remember that forever now. [21:37] thx [21:37] haha [21:37] if everyone in the channel starts calling ill laugh [21:38] so if he forgets he can google his number now [21:38] see iheartubuntu guts it [21:38] publicly logged channel... [21:39] in the future we will all be anonymous for 15 minutes [21:39] i put my cell in nickserv info ages ago. maybe i should replace that with the google voice number, idk [21:41] I thought about doing that once. Adding the Google Voice number might be interesting. [21:42] not all loco channels are logged [21:42] this one is [21:43] its true. it is [21:43] * sn9 is suddenly nostalgic for the days of being the only one who idled in #ubuntu-california full-time [21:44] petition to get us kicked off :) [21:45] The LoCo Council wants to force all LoCo channels to be logged, but they know they don't have the cache to do it. So they abused a conflict in this channel to force it to be logged and tried to hide the fact. [21:45] people these days... [21:45] conflict can be a good thing [21:46] Every so often they say they're going to force logging on all LoCo channels, then a ton of people have a fit, then they say when they said it's a "rule" they really meant "guideline" and purely optional, and try to pretend they didn't threaten consequences in the initial email. [21:46] Then it all dies down until the next time they threaten to force all LoCo channels to be logged. [21:50] Oregon LoCo was told its mandatory [21:50] bkerensa: they were lied to, which seems to be the norm. [21:50] MarkDude tried to epic battle about it and in the end the result was it was "mandatory" [21:50] bkerensa: that's what happened in this channel, too. [21:50] nhaines: So council lied to us? :P [21:50] bkerensa: yes, they did. [21:51] Yep [21:51] Drama! [21:51] Everyone - minus jono lied in the situation [21:52] And I still wont divulge what he said, but the rumors of him threatening an upside down crucifixion of me live on stage- might be true [21:52] paultag was mostly honest, yet still had his position to play [21:54] MArk vs MarkS over logging. Fedorans would NOT be happy [21:54] why would they MArkDude [21:55] bkerensa: it is a moot point, the logic to take apart PNW was flawed- and is not technically correct, so it could be argued - that yes it really does exist [21:55] philipballew: Most of my time is spent in FEdora activities [21:55] I try to foster dialog between many distros [21:56] Technically I could, since when I switched, I informed them of my being part of ORegon team- they told me to see it thru till the end [21:56] * bkerensa is not for logging personally but what can ya do? [21:56] haha, but fedora is sick! if you have linux with so few users compared to other os's not talking to other users cause they use another distro is kinda lame [21:57] Well not to mention the buckets of $ spent [21:57] As with anything - you can fight [21:57] But it depends on those around you [21:58] When it came down to it- there were many people against logging - that did not want to be vocal or make waves [21:59] In another life - I would have been asking for loggging to be removed here- since the EXACT reasons given (besides me) we the existing drama. And there really appears to be none now [21:59] Having vocal people against logging doesn't seem to make much difference anyway. [22:06] Oh, [22:06] * MArkDude forgot that he thought his point would prevail- since akk sorta agreed with me [22:07] And as near I can tell has NEVEr been wrong ;) [22:07] * MArkDude stumbled across his over-dramatic pic I made ----- Ubuntu is watching you! [22:08] * MArkDude is happy to not be fighting with his friends in Ubuntu at the present time [22:08] so why not an uprising to correct things here? [22:08] <3 [22:10] its not even halloween and i was just shining up my pitchfork in the garage last night [22:11] with philipballew phone # he will be the new go to guy for all ubuntu help :) [22:12] ok, i have two windows computers left to convert here at work. one of them is running a handmade MS access program so im not going to change that box... [22:13] but i am going to get rid of the other windows box and convert it to an ubuntu server [22:13] in time that last windows box with ms access program i will learn to convert the program to ruby. but thats a ways off. [22:14] my question is this... [22:14] the ubuntu server box... [22:14] im concerned with dirt and lint build up. any suggestions? [22:14] i want to run it for years on end :) or should i take it offline every 6 months to clean it out [22:15] buy a micro-cpntroller and hoot iy up to a arm with a duster on it [22:15] *hook it [22:16] thats sounds like a crop airplane [22:16] micro controller? do tell [22:16] store it in a clean room> [22:16] like an arduino [22:16] ^yes! [22:16] Hardware failure happens when a system has been shut down and powers back up. So be prepared to replace hardware when you schedule downtime on that machine. [22:16] i have a P4 box i was just going to make into a server [22:17] so what can i do? dust it every so often without turning it off? [22:17] So be prepared to replace hardware when you schedule downtime on that machine. [22:18] my cd drives wont get detected by the motherboard when i had to turn mine off [22:19] You can certainly blow out dust on a running machine [22:19] but hardware failures can happen while a machine is up and running too [22:19] i have that prob on my work comp here now... my cd drives cannot be seen. im too lazy to open the box up and check the connections. [22:19] i chacked mine, there in there just fine... [22:20] and i rarely use my cd drive anymore anyways [22:20] its always usb sticks or ubuntuone [22:21] i guess i have never had to think about a server box before. [22:21] technically one of the windows boxes just sits there all day and i have the server files on it so it acts as the server [22:23] ive been leery to make the switch as im not sure how windows will see an ubuntu box [22:24] right now i have our accountant running ubuntu and then XP within ubuntu using virtualbox so she can run the accounting software [22:25] so the virtual XP would need to be able to see the ubuntu server [22:25] confusing i know [22:25] (job security) haha [22:36] if Mac is based on freebsd shouldnt it be theoretically easy to port programs over to linux? [22:36] It is pretty easy, for programs that don't have a GUI. [22:43] and there is no mac emulator for linux is there [22:43] i came across mac-on-linux but the project hasnt moved since 2007 [22:44] No -- it's hard even to run OS X inside a virtual machine, let alone an emulator. [23:20] do we have any plans for free software day? [23:25] Using Samba, Windows sees Ubuntu boxes just fine. [23:28] Isn't Lion a lot friendlier towards virtualization though? [23:33] IIRC OSX virtualizes just fine, it just checks to make sure it is virtualizing on Apple hardware first. [23:34] this somewhat defeats the purpose of virtualization of course [23:37] Not really.. virtualization is good for separation of services and portability. [23:38] true, but it still takes away some usefulness [23:39] osx requires vmware. it does not work under virtualbox or qemu [23:40] sn9: I thought OS X *did* work under Virtualbox. [23:41] nope