[01:29] snap-l: just finished ep 24 of omc. Slash Dementia is the gem of that episode [01:30] Cool. Glad you enjoyed. [01:32] brousch: You didn't like The Dying Wizard? [01:32] it was ok [01:34] http://godsoffire.bandcamp.com/album/hanukkah-gone-metal <- I can't wait until December [01:35] No Gelt, No Glory [01:35] oy vey === jjesse__ is now known as jjesse [11:31] this is what I love about aws: http://aws.typepad.com/aws/2011/08/amazon-elasticache-distributed-in-memory-caching.html [11:31] always something new, memcache in the cloud [11:38] snap-l: No gold, no glory??? [11:50] gelt. gelt, not gold. [11:51] rick_h_: Yay, now I can harness the full power of PHP in the cloud. ;) [11:56] hah, i knew it [11:56] i knew you were a closet PHP enthusiast [11:56] my bad... mistook gelt for geld. [12:19] brousch: http://www.addedbytes.com/blog/if-php-were-british/ [12:20] Were PHP to adopt this, I should be inclined to use it [12:27] hah [12:27] snap-l: psh, I'm going to push it as a way to not need to ramp up a freaking 128gb of ram ec2 instance [12:27] shove your crap off to memcache for a bit instead and reduce that damn memory footprint of the app [12:33] mmm, thinkpad http://techcrunch.com/2011/08/23/lenovo-thinkpad-tablet [12:35] ouch $500. for $500 you could buy 5 touchpads. that's one for each appendage [12:35] except you can't find 5 touchpads [12:36] Except that you'd need to make a beowulf cluster of those 5 touchpads to equal the CPU of the Thinkpad. [12:36] not true. they operate in parallel since you are using one with each appendage [12:37] Ah, true multitasking [12:37] so it's like 1.2GHz quint-core [12:37] Did any of you fools get a Touchpad? [12:37] B&N cancelled me [12:38] "No, Ben, No, you really don't need this. Be happy with what you have. Seriously". [12:38] something like that [12:40] i do like the nook [12:40] but at $99 i could justify a tablet for my son [12:41] What's with people giving their kids tablet machines? [12:42] A friend of ours got bored with her iPad and gave it to her 4 year old. [12:42] yea, I hear a lot of tablet owners end up not using theirs [12:43] personally I'd like one for conferences, etc. Not sure I'd use one around the house daily [12:43] but would like something mobile to play with/test apps against [12:43] it's webkit, but not the best webkit [12:43] still, for $99 it's a test device at min that can surf/etc at a conference [12:59] snap-l: haven't you seen Serenity? Children of the future do all their schoolwork on tablets. [12:59] I'm pretty sure that was in ST:TNG as well... [13:00] so the question is: why *wouldn't* you give you kid a tablet? [13:00] are you trying to cripple him? [13:00] are you trying to cripple him? ;-) [13:00] doh... sorry for the dupe. Stupid keyboard [13:01] that wouldn't have happened if I had a tablet.... [13:06] rick_h_: I don't go to enough conferences that a tablet would work for my needs. ;) [13:07] though JoDee may claim otherwise (about going to enough conferences. ;) ) [13:07] JoDee thinks you go to enough conferences to justify getting you a tablet? Awesome. [13:08] Wolfger: On that she also disagrees. ;) [13:08] You all seem to forget that I was an early tablet adopter. :) [13:08] Nokia 770. :) [13:09] bah. Tablets didn't exist before the iPad. :-D [13:09] And while that was essentially a trumped up Palmtop without any of the productivity software to make such a thing useful, it makes me leery of tablets. [13:10] If the only use-case you can make for the tablet is "surf the internet on the couch", let me be the first to challenge that assertion. ;) [13:11] (Although I still have my eyes on the nook, though I need some confirmation on the PDF reader that my limited testing hasn't fleshed out) [13:11] Nook color, that is [13:15] but, I can understand the technolust. [13:15] Open Metalcast Episode 28, where we learn that the Ozark Harp trumps the accordion: http://ur1.ca/4yejl [13:24] snap-l: pdf reader on NC is nice [13:25] i use mine mostly for convore, ereader, hootsuite, email so far [13:33] brousch: you can't say that until snap-l tries it [13:33] he's got the most trying pdfs I've seen [13:34] well you can view 1/2 of a letter sized pdf very nicely, or a full letter pdf slightly hard to read [13:45] watch out world, just bought an android book [13:47] ah, java [13:47] *sigh* yea [13:47] *cough*phonegap*cough* [13:47] can you do android intents with phonegap? [13:48] and can you get native widets with phonegap? [13:51] https://github.com/phonegap/phonegap-plugins/tree/master/Android/WebIntent [13:52] aptana titanium might be better at that stuff [13:54] http://developer.appcelerator.com/apidoc/mobile/1.7.1/Titanium.Android.Intent-object [13:55] my boss wants me to play around with some mobile stuff more so I'm going to try to see if I can get them to let me play. [13:55] might be a bookie android app using the api at some point if I can talk them into it [13:56] your biggest pain-point will be using eclipse [13:56] yea, that's for sure [13:56] thuogh I'm hoping to be able to edit in vim with eclipse int he nexte workspace [13:57] at least keep my editing separate from project build/generation/eclipsy things [13:57] i think you can [13:57] fortunately the laptop has 8gb of ram. I'll just basically find that jvm ram setting and crank it to 11 [13:57] though maybe not with titanium [13:57] "here eclipse...4gb for you...now stfu" [13:57] bah, it doesn't need that much [13:58] I'm not going to try to argue with it, consider it a randsom payoff [13:58] hell, I'm doing work right now at 877mb of ram [13:58] I've got 4gb to spare [13:58] heh, i just opened it to check and it still had Bookie open [13:58] aparently i haven't used it since then [13:59] ? [13:59] what's "it"? [13:59] eclipse [14:00] well, aptana pydev [14:07] I managed to crash rick_h_'s Kindle with one of my PDFs. ;) [14:07] rick_h_++ ElastiCache is awesome. [14:07] snap-l: email one to me. i'll try it [14:09] brousch: Do you have access to U1? [14:09] The file is 130MB [14:12] i think so [14:12] brousch: Here's one sample: http://ubuntuone.com/p/1CJ0/ [14:12] The other one is syncing as we speak [14:12] I have a few that the Kobo can't deal with either. :) [14:12] sent them to Kobo support, and they shrugged. [14:15] I can't wait to get this printer [14:15] has instructions for how to install your own https certificate on it. :) [14:16] Also can do Internet fax. [14:17] Shit, it even supports LDAP [14:18] Also supports network scanning, which is a huge plus for me. [14:18] Previously had to get out te USB cable to do any scanning [14:18] will also scan to USB stick [14:21] rick_h_: heh, Aptana is using 550MB with an empty android project open [14:22] Nice. [14:26] it's kind of silly how i got the book to my nook. download from your link, save to dropbox, upload to dropbox, download from dropbox on nook [14:27] omg. google voice transcribed a lengthy voicemail exactly right [14:42] rick_h_: you got the O'R dotd? [14:43] brousch: no way, I don't believe you. [14:44] snap-l: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/101667/screenshot_7.png [14:44] http://dl.dropbox.com/u/101667/screenshot_9.png [14:46] ss7 is viewing using the Nook Reader, which refused to rotate. You can see the print is tiny and barely readable. [14:46] ss9 is using the Adobe Reader app which did rotate. It's viewing half of a page [14:47] takes maybe 2 seconds to turn a page [14:49] Wolfger: "Good Morning. This is the animal Medical Center calling to remind you we have Terra and Duncanscheduled for grooming Wednesday, August 24th, please check them in between 7:30 at 8:30 AM. Ifyou are unable to keep these appointments. Please call us at 531-7387 before 6:30 PM on Tuesdayevening to avoid a grooming no show fee. Thank you and have a nice day [14:51] the squished-together words are just copy and paste artifacts [14:53] oh damn, there is one mistake, an "at" instead of an "and" [14:53] brousch: Ah, that's interesting [14:54] I tried the built-in app downloading a preview from e23, and it seemed to reflow the text. [14:54] but if you have access to the Adobe app, that changes things. [14:54] PDFs that are text instead of pictures can often be changed in the Nook Reader by changing the font size like a regular ebook [14:54] brousch: Right [14:54] brousch: Can you zoom in with the Adobe reader? [14:55] ie: on the iPhone, I can pinch zoom instead of rotate. [14:55] yeah, you can zoom [14:55] pinch/spread [14:55] Hmmm... [14:56] (checking to see if the kindle-killer is finished uploading) [14:56] i think i had to root to get Adobe Reader [14:56] Ah, OK [14:57] Interesting that you have to root to install an alternate PDF reader. [14:58] It'd be interesting to see if they'll add it as an app download in the future. [15:00] their app store is pathetic [15:00] 475 apps [15:03] also need root for dropbox [15:17] Wolfger: what's the "O'R dotd"? [15:18] hah, just got two emails about a late payment for my paid off ford [15:18] rick_h_: For the Taurus? [15:19] yea [15:19] total spam, but cool they knew I had a ford 2006 taurus through ford credit [15:20] You should send Ford Credit the note and tell them that their partners are scum. [15:21] Seriously, that's bullshit. [15:27] rick_h_: Let me guess why you bought the Learning Android Book? :) [15:28] because android is awesome? [15:29] 50% deal from O'Reilly. ;) [15:30] snap-l: yea, I went ahead and got it [15:30] work has an android book he got from the borders sell off as well [15:30] might get to play with it some at work [15:31] Oh, nice. [15:31] Must make sure those laptop fans aren't blocked. ;) [15:47] Fucking U1 [15:47] give up... [15:47] rick_h_: my lazy way of typing O'Reilly Deal Of The Day [15:48] O'R dotd [15:48] Wolfger: ah, gotcha [15:48] I have never seen anything more incapable of dealing with 100+ MB files than U1 [15:48] well, I actually got it through amazon. Their kindle price was $2 more, but I can use the cloud reader on it [15:56] snap-l: Atari 400? ;-) [15:56] Vic-20 with a datasette [15:57] hah, one of my friends just contacted Oracle for support. They told him that in order to fix his issue he should use IE6. [15:57] Wolfger: Still white-stallions by comparison [15:57] that's pretty bold of them. [15:57] Blazeix: Did he tell them to stop living in 1999? [15:58] You know, when Oracle was at it's prime too? :) [15:58] to fix his issue he should use what is probably the worst browser in the history of mankind? [15:59] Wolfger: With the most expensive database in the history of mankind. ;) [15:59] (discounting IBM, of course) [16:08] did someone say vic20? [16:08] Yep, we're going back [16:08] 1.5 weeks until UBU Global Bug Jam... and xfer of Amiga with 10s of floppies to snap-l [16:08] screw 40 columns. [16:09] jrwren: Woo woo! [16:09] I'll need to bring a big bag [16:10] brousch: http://ubuntuone.com/p/1CKV/ [16:20] snap-l: i'll try it after lunch [16:20] Thanks. [16:42] check out this http://comic.naver.com/webtoon/detail.nhn?titleId=350217&no=20&weekday=tue [16:43] I approve of that JS [16:54] http://www.meijer.com/s/big-steals/_/N-5io?CAWELAID=677385714&cmpid=dstue [16:55] brousch: Isn't that the tablet that you purchased prior? [17:25] looks like it [17:29] snap-l: the problem with that one is the roms are sketchy. you can use an ancient android and have full multimedia, or a newer android rom but lack and graphics acceleration [17:29] that was as of 6 months ago [18:22] snap-l: that big pdf opens and views fine, but it takes 10s to turn the page [18:24] <_stink_> anyone else here feel the earthquake? [18:24] yea, felt it here [18:24] everyone's freaking out [18:24] <_stink_> haha [18:24] but funny that some people right next to me didn't feel it [18:25] I thought it was construction tbh [18:25] was pretty light [18:25] <_stink_> we all just stuck our heads out of the offices and said "hey, is that an earthquake?" then went back to work [18:25] yea, basically [18:25] <_stink_> yeah, i just felt some dizziness, mostly [18:25] we have earthquakes all day long thanks to the car shredder next door. i would never know if we had a real one [18:25] <_stink_> hah [18:25] I've got family in VA so checking in on them [18:26] http://xkcd.com/723/ [18:27] thank god I'm not going insane. nobody else in my building felt it. [18:27] <_stink_> haha [18:28] damn I love this livereload [18:28] my boss is all "but it's ruby..." it's awesome! [18:29] OK, Thank you... I thought it was an earthquake [18:31] what's livereload? [18:32] https://github.com/mockko/livereload [18:32] ah, nice [18:38] it seems like that could be a bash script, rather than ruby [18:40] probably [18:40] but it imlpements a server side that the chrome extension talks to [18:40] probably easier to write that in ruby, ionotify bits and all [19:26] Anyone have an idea what I'm doing wrong here? [19:26] In [1]: from BeautifulSoup import BeautifulStoneSoup [19:26] --------------------------------------------------------------------------- [19:26] ImportError Traceback (most recent call last) [19:26] /home/craig/ in () [19:26] (soaptest)craig@lister:~$ pip install BeautifulSoup [19:26] Requirement already satisfied (use --upgrade to upgrade): BeautifulSoup in ./.virtualenvs/soaptest/lib/python2.7/site-packages [19:27] ----> 1 from BeautifulSoup import BeautifulStoneSoup [19:27] (soaptest)craig@lister:~$ which ipython [19:27] /home/craig/.virtualenvs/soaptest/bin/ipython [19:30] pastebin pls. try just "import BeautifulSoup" [19:30] does that pass? [19:30] No [19:31] what about bypassing ipython, just python? [19:31] ImportError: No module named BeautifulSoup [19:31] That's from regular python [19:31] python -m "import BeautifulSoup" [19:32] which pip [19:32] pip uninstall BeautifulSoup [19:32] pip install BeautifulSoup [19:33] http://paste.mitechie.com/show/387/ [19:34] which pip points to /home/craig/.virtualenvs/soaptest/bin/ ? [19:34] no idea I guess [19:34] Even creating a new environment doesn't appear to work. [19:34] I mean you can verify that the python is in the right place, that the site-packages dir has the BeautifulSoup package [19:35] http://paste.mitechie.com/show/388/ [19:35] http://superuser.com/questions/325177/beautifulsoup-not-found-after-installing-via-pip <- Apparehtly I'm not the only one. :) [19:36] What a pain [19:37] snap-l: i just made a virtualenv and it fals for me too [19:37] brousch: Yeah, apparently 4.0b is borked. [19:37] heh [19:37] Althought 3.2.0 isn't giving me any more love. [19:38] Ah, there is goes. [19:40] Thanks! [19:40] http://programmers.stackexchange.com/questions/103178/how-to-handle-can-you-add-just-a-few-more-fields-type-of-requests-from-customer [19:53] did you reactivate the venv? [19:53] I have had that, where I install something and it's not picked up until I reactivate the venv [19:54] rick_h_: I tried that as well. It appears that version is just not working the same [19:54] hmm, a rename of hte package? is it cap'd the same in the site-pacakges dir? [19:54] meh, I can't imagine it'd do that [19:54] I just installed 3.2.0 and I'm happy [19:57] cool [20:38] ug, running titanium studio + android emulator used like 1.5GB of ram [20:43] besides the apple hate, why android? [20:47] nullspace: what else is there? [20:47] iOS [20:47] but we hate apple [20:48] you have to own an apple to dev for iOS, and then you have to kneal before jobs so he will bless your app [20:48] true that is annoying, I do like that I can just run an java app on it [20:49] the whole thing is locked into evil [20:51] brousch speaks truth [20:51] i'll take uglier and clunkier, thank you [20:53] snap-l: did you see my report on your big pdf on the nook color? [20:53] Yeah, I did [20:53] That's to be expected, but glad it works. [20:53] heh, 10s page turns are expected? [20:53] That is one of the biggest bastards [20:53] Yeah, it's a complicated PDF [20:54] Take a careful look at it on the page. [20:54] i zoomed in and it took 20s to redraw [22:25] Sweaty. [23:29] nullspace: java > objective C, a lang you can only really use on apple hardware [23:30] android > ios because I can easily side load/deploy tablets with it [23:30] android > ios because I don't have to own a mac to dev for it [23:30] android > ios goes on and on