[01:29] <brousch> snap-l: just finished ep 24 of omc. Slash Dementia is the gem of that episode
[01:30] <snap-l> Cool. Glad you enjoyed.
[01:32] <snap-l> brousch: You didn't like The Dying Wizard?
[01:32] <brousch> it was ok
[01:34] <snap-l> http://godsoffire.bandcamp.com/album/hanukkah-gone-metal <- I can't wait until December
[01:35] <snap-l> No Gelt, No Glory
[01:35] <brousch> oy vey
[11:31] <rick_h_> this is what I love about aws: http://aws.typepad.com/aws/2011/08/amazon-elasticache-distributed-in-memory-caching.html
[11:31] <rick_h_> always something new, memcache in the cloud
[11:38] <Wolfger> snap-l: No gold, no glory???
[11:50] <snap-l> gelt. gelt, not gold.
[11:51] <snap-l> rick_h_: Yay, now I can harness the full power of PHP in the cloud. ;)
[11:56] <brousch> hah, i knew it
[11:56] <brousch> i knew you were a closet PHP enthusiast
[11:56] <Wolfger> my bad... mistook gelt for geld.
[12:19] <snap-l> brousch: http://www.addedbytes.com/blog/if-php-were-british/
[12:20] <snap-l> Were PHP to adopt this, I should be inclined to use it
[12:27] <rick_h_> hah
[12:27] <rick_h_> snap-l: psh, I'm going to push it as a way to not need to ramp up a freaking 128gb of ram ec2 instance
[12:27] <rick_h_> shove your crap off to memcache for a bit instead and reduce that damn memory footprint of the app
[12:33] <rick_h_> mmm, thinkpad http://techcrunch.com/2011/08/23/lenovo-thinkpad-tablet
[12:35] <brousch> ouch $500. for $500 you could buy 5 touchpads. that's one for each appendage
[12:35] <rick_h_> except you can't find 5 touchpads
[12:36] <snap-l> Except that you'd need to make a beowulf cluster of those 5 touchpads to equal the CPU of the Thinkpad.
[12:36] <brousch> not true. they operate in parallel since you are using one with each appendage
[12:37] <snap-l> Ah, true multitasking
[12:37] <brousch> so it's like 1.2GHz quint-core
[12:37] <snap-l> Did any of you fools get a Touchpad?
[12:37] <brousch> B&N cancelled me
[12:38] <snap-l> "No, Ben, No, you really don't need this. Be happy with what you have. Seriously".
[12:38] <brousch> something like that
[12:40] <brousch> i do like the nook
[12:40] <brousch> but at $99 i could justify a tablet for my son
[12:41] <snap-l> What's with people giving their kids tablet machines?
[12:42] <snap-l> A friend of ours got bored with her iPad and gave it to her 4 year old.
[12:42] <rick_h_> yea, I hear a lot of tablet owners end up not using theirs
[12:43] <rick_h_> personally I'd like one for conferences, etc. Not sure I'd use one around the house daily
[12:43] <rick_h_> but would like something mobile to play with/test apps against
[12:43] <rick_h_> it's webkit, but not the best webkit
[12:43] <rick_h_> still, for $99 it's a test device at min that can surf/etc at a conference
[12:59] <Wolfger> snap-l: haven't you seen Serenity? Children of the future do all their schoolwork on tablets.
[12:59] <Wolfger> I'm pretty sure that was in ST:TNG as well...
[13:00] <Wolfger> so the question is: why *wouldn't* you give you kid a tablet?
[13:00] <Wolfger> are you trying to cripple him?
[13:00] <Wolfger> are you trying to cripple him? ;-)
[13:00] <Wolfger> doh... sorry for the dupe. Stupid keyboard
[13:01] <Wolfger> that wouldn't have happened if I had a tablet....
[13:06] <snap-l> rick_h_: I don't go to enough conferences that a tablet would work for my needs. ;)
[13:07] <snap-l> though JoDee may claim otherwise (about going to enough conferences. ;) )
[13:07] <Wolfger> JoDee thinks you go to enough conferences to justify getting you a tablet? Awesome.
[13:08] <snap-l> Wolfger: On that she also disagrees. ;)
[13:08] <snap-l> You all seem to forget that I was an early tablet adopter. :)
[13:08] <snap-l> Nokia 770. :)
[13:09] <Wolfger> bah. Tablets didn't exist before the iPad. :-D
[13:09] <snap-l> And while that was essentially a trumped up Palmtop without any of the productivity software to make such a thing useful, it makes me leery of tablets.
[13:10] <snap-l> If the only use-case you can make for the tablet is "surf the internet on the couch", let me be the first to challenge that assertion. ;)
[13:11] <snap-l> (Although I still have my eyes on the nook, though I need some confirmation on the PDF reader that my limited testing hasn't fleshed out)
[13:11] <snap-l> Nook color, that is
[13:15] <snap-l> but, I can understand the technolust.
[13:15] <snap-l> Open Metalcast Episode 28, where we learn that the Ozark Harp trumps the accordion: http://ur1.ca/4yejl
[13:24] <brousch> snap-l: pdf reader on NC is nice
[13:25] <brousch> i use mine mostly for convore, ereader, hootsuite, email so far
[13:33] <rick_h_> brousch: you can't say that until snap-l tries it
[13:33] <rick_h_> he's got the most trying pdfs I've seen
[13:34] <brousch> well you can view 1/2 of a letter sized pdf very nicely, or a full letter pdf slightly hard to read
[13:45] <rick_h_> watch out world, just bought an android book
[13:47] <brousch> ah, java
[13:47] <rick_h_> *sigh* yea
[13:47] <brousch> *cough*phonegap*cough*
[13:47] <rick_h_> can you do android intents with phonegap?
[13:48] <rick_h_> and can you get native widets with phonegap?
[13:51] <brousch> https://github.com/phonegap/phonegap-plugins/tree/master/Android/WebIntent
[13:52] <brousch> aptana titanium might be better at that stuff
[13:54] <brousch> http://developer.appcelerator.com/apidoc/mobile/1.7.1/Titanium.Android.Intent-object
[13:55] <rick_h_> my boss wants me to play around with some mobile stuff more so I'm going to try to see if I can get them to let me play.
[13:55] <rick_h_> might be a bookie android app using the api at some point if I can talk them into it
[13:56] <brousch> your biggest pain-point will be using eclipse
[13:56] <rick_h_> yea, that's for sure
[13:56] <rick_h_> thuogh I'm hoping to be able to edit in vim with eclipse int he nexte workspace
[13:57] <rick_h_> at least keep my editing separate from project build/generation/eclipsy things
[13:57] <brousch> i think you can
[13:57] <rick_h_> fortunately the laptop has 8gb of ram. I'll just basically find that jvm ram setting and crank it to 11
[13:57] <brousch> though maybe not with titanium
[13:57] <rick_h_> "here eclipse...4gb for you...now stfu"
[13:57] <brousch> bah, it doesn't need that much
[13:58] <rick_h_> I'm not going to try to argue with it, consider it a randsom payoff
[13:58] <rick_h_> hell, I'm doing work right now at 877mb of ram
[13:58] <rick_h_> I've got 4gb to spare
[13:58] <brousch> heh, i just opened it to check and it still had Bookie open
[13:58] <brousch> aparently i haven't used it since then
[13:59] <rick_h_> ?
[13:59] <rick_h_> what's "it"?
[13:59] <brousch> eclipse
[14:00] <brousch> well, aptana pydev
[14:07] <snap-l> I managed to crash rick_h_'s Kindle with one of my PDFs. ;)
[14:07] <jrwren> rick_h_++ ElastiCache is awesome.
[14:07] <brousch> snap-l: email one to me. i'll try it
[14:09] <snap-l> brousch: Do you have access to U1?
[14:09] <snap-l> The file is 130MB
[14:12] <brousch> i think so
[14:12] <snap-l> brousch: Here's one sample: http://ubuntuone.com/p/1CJ0/
[14:12] <snap-l> The other one is syncing as we speak
[14:12] <snap-l> I have a few that the Kobo can't deal with either. :)
[14:12] <snap-l> sent them to Kobo support, and they shrugged.
[14:15] <snap-l> I can't wait to get this printer
[14:15] <snap-l> has instructions for how to install your own https certificate on it. :)
[14:16] <snap-l> Also can do Internet fax.
[14:17] <snap-l> Shit, it even supports LDAP
[14:18] <snap-l> Also supports network scanning, which is a huge plus for me.
[14:18] <snap-l> Previously had to get out te USB cable to do any scanning
[14:18] <snap-l> will also scan to USB stick
[14:21] <brousch> rick_h_: heh, Aptana is using 550MB with an empty android project open
[14:22] <snap-l> Nice.
[14:26] <brousch> it's kind of silly how i got the book to my nook. download from your link, save to dropbox, upload to dropbox, download from dropbox on nook
[14:27] <brousch> omg. google voice transcribed a lengthy voicemail exactly right
[14:42] <Wolfger> rick_h_: you got the O'R dotd?
[14:43] <Wolfger> brousch: no way, I don't believe you.
[14:44] <brousch> snap-l: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/101667/screenshot_7.png
[14:44] <brousch> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/101667/screenshot_9.png
[14:46] <brousch> ss7 is viewing using the Nook Reader, which refused to rotate. You can see the print is tiny and barely readable.
[14:46] <brousch> ss9 is using the Adobe Reader app which did rotate. It's viewing half of a page
[14:47] <brousch> takes maybe 2 seconds to turn a page
[14:49] <brousch> Wolfger: "Good Morning. This is the animal Medical Center calling to remind you we have Terra and Duncanscheduled for grooming Wednesday, August 24th, please check them in between 7:30 at 8:30 AM. Ifyou are unable to keep these appointments. Please call us at 531-7387 before 6:30 PM on Tuesdayevening to avoid a grooming no show fee. Thank you and have a nice day
[14:51] <brousch> the squished-together words are just copy and paste artifacts
[14:53] <brousch> oh damn, there is one mistake, an "at" instead of an "and"
[14:53] <snap-l> brousch: Ah, that's interesting
[14:54] <snap-l> I tried the built-in app downloading a preview from e23, and it seemed to reflow the text.
[14:54] <snap-l> but if you have access to the Adobe app, that changes things.
[14:54] <brousch> PDFs that are text instead of pictures can often be changed in the Nook Reader by changing the font size like a regular ebook
[14:54] <snap-l> brousch: Right
[14:54] <snap-l> brousch: Can you zoom in with the Adobe reader?
[14:55] <snap-l> ie: on the iPhone, I can pinch zoom instead of rotate.
[14:55] <brousch> yeah, you can zoom
[14:55] <brousch> pinch/spread
[14:55] <snap-l> Hmmm...
[14:56] <snap-l> (checking to see if the kindle-killer is finished uploading)
[14:56] <brousch> i think i had to root to get Adobe Reader
[14:56] <snap-l> Ah, OK
[14:57] <snap-l> Interesting that you have to root to install an alternate PDF reader.
[14:58] <snap-l> It'd be interesting to see if they'll add it as an app download in the future.
[15:00] <brousch> their app store is pathetic
[15:00] <brousch> 475 apps
[15:03] <brousch> also need root for dropbox
[15:17] <rick_h_> Wolfger: what's the "O'R dotd"?
[15:18] <rick_h_> hah, just got two emails about a late payment for my paid off ford
[15:18] <snap-l> rick_h_: For the Taurus?
[15:19] <rick_h_> yea
[15:19] <rick_h_> total spam, but cool they knew I had a ford 2006 taurus through ford credit
[15:20] <snap-l> You should send Ford Credit the note and tell them that their partners are scum.
[15:21] <snap-l> Seriously, that's bullshit.
[15:27] <snap-l> rick_h_: Let me guess why you bought the Learning Android Book? :)
[15:28] <brousch> because android is awesome?
[15:29] <snap-l> 50% deal from O'Reilly. ;)
[15:30] <rick_h_> snap-l: yea, I went ahead and got it
[15:30] <rick_h_> work has an android book he got from the borders sell off as well
[15:30] <rick_h_> might get to play with it some at work
[15:31] <snap-l> Oh, nice.
[15:31] <snap-l> Must make sure those laptop fans aren't blocked. ;)
[15:47] <snap-l> Fucking U1
[15:47] <rick_h_> give up...
[15:47] <Wolfger> rick_h_: my lazy way of typing O'Reilly Deal Of The Day
[15:48] <Wolfger> O'R dotd
[15:48] <rick_h_> Wolfger: ah, gotcha
[15:48] <snap-l> I have never seen anything more incapable of dealing with 100+ MB files than U1
[15:48] <rick_h_> well, I actually got it through amazon. Their kindle price was $2 more, but I can use the cloud reader on it
[15:56] <Wolfger> snap-l: Atari 400? ;-)
[15:56] <Wolfger> Vic-20 with a datasette
[15:57] <Blazeix> hah, one of my friends just contacted Oracle for support. They told him that in order to fix his issue he should use IE6.
[15:57] <snap-l> Wolfger: Still white-stallions by comparison
[15:57] <Blazeix> that's pretty bold of them.
[15:57] <snap-l> Blazeix: Did he tell them to stop living in 1999?
[15:58] <snap-l> You know, when Oracle was at it's prime too? :)
[15:58] <Wolfger> to fix his issue he should use what is probably the worst browser in the history of mankind?
[15:59] <snap-l> Wolfger: With the most expensive database in the history of mankind. ;)
[15:59] <snap-l> (discounting IBM, of course)
[16:08] <jrwren> did someone say vic20?
[16:08] <snap-l> Yep, we're going back
[16:08] <jrwren> 1.5 weeks until UBU Global Bug Jam... and xfer of Amiga with 10s of floppies to snap-l
[16:08] <snap-l> screw 40 columns.
[16:09] <snap-l> jrwren: Woo woo!
[16:09] <snap-l> I'll need to bring a big bag
[16:10] <snap-l> brousch: http://ubuntuone.com/p/1CKV/
[16:20] <brousch> snap-l: i'll try it after lunch
[16:20] <snap-l> Thanks.
[16:42] <nullspace> check out this http://comic.naver.com/webtoon/detail.nhn?titleId=350217&no=20&weekday=tue
[16:43] <nullspace> I approve of that JS
[16:54] <snap-l> http://www.meijer.com/s/big-steals/_/N-5io?CAWELAID=677385714&cmpid=dstue
[16:55] <snap-l> brousch: Isn't that the tablet that you purchased prior?
[17:25] <brousch> looks like it
[17:29] <brousch> snap-l: the problem with that one is the roms are sketchy. you can use an ancient android and have full multimedia, or a newer android rom but lack and graphics acceleration
[17:29] <brousch> that was as of 6 months ago
[18:22] <brousch> snap-l: that big pdf opens and views fine, but it takes 10s to turn the page
[18:24] <_stink_> anyone else here feel the earthquake?
[18:24] <rick_h_> yea, felt it here
[18:24] <rick_h_> everyone's freaking out
[18:24] <_stink_> haha
[18:24] <rick_h_> but funny that some people right next to me didn't feel it
[18:25] <rick_h_> I thought it was construction tbh
[18:25] <rick_h_> was pretty light
[18:25] <_stink_> we all just stuck our heads out of the offices and said "hey, is that an earthquake?"  then went back to work
[18:25] <rick_h_> yea, basically
[18:25] <_stink_> yeah, i just felt some dizziness, mostly
[18:25] <brousch> we have earthquakes all day long thanks to the car shredder next door. i would never know if we had a real one
[18:25] <_stink_> hah
[18:25] <rick_h_> I've got family in VA so checking in on them
[18:26] <rick_h_> http://xkcd.com/723/
[18:27] <Blazeix> thank god I'm not going insane. nobody else in my building felt it.
[18:27] <_stink_> haha
[18:28] <rick_h_> damn I love this livereload
[18:28] <rick_h_> my boss is all "but it's ruby..." it's awesome!
[18:29] <snap-l> OK, Thank you... I thought it was an earthquake
[18:31] <brousch> what's livereload?
[18:32] <rick_h_> https://github.com/mockko/livereload
[18:32] <brousch> ah, nice
[18:38] <Blazeix> it seems like that could be a bash script, rather than ruby
[18:40] <rick_h_> probably
[18:40] <rick_h_> but it imlpements a server side that the chrome extension talks to
[18:40] <rick_h_> probably easier to write that in ruby, ionotify bits and all
[19:26] <snap-l> Anyone have an idea what I'm doing wrong here?
[19:26] <snap-l> In [1]: from BeautifulSoup import BeautifulStoneSoup
[19:26] <snap-l> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
[19:26] <snap-l> ImportError                               Traceback (most recent call last)
[19:26] <snap-l> /home/craig/<ipython-input-1-c4715e218eee> in <module>()
[19:26] <snap-l> (soaptest)craig@lister:~$ pip install BeautifulSoup
[19:26] <snap-l> Requirement already satisfied (use --upgrade to upgrade): BeautifulSoup in ./.virtualenvs/soaptest/lib/python2.7/site-packages
[19:27] <snap-l> ----> 1 from BeautifulSoup import BeautifulStoneSoup
[19:27] <snap-l> (soaptest)craig@lister:~$ which ipython
[19:27] <snap-l> /home/craig/.virtualenvs/soaptest/bin/ipython
[19:30] <rick_h_> pastebin pls. try just "import BeautifulSoup"
[19:30] <rick_h_> does that pass?
[19:30] <snap-l> No
[19:31] <rick_h_> what about bypassing ipython, just python?
[19:31] <snap-l> ImportError: No module named BeautifulSoup
[19:31] <snap-l> That's from regular python
[19:31] <rick_h_> python -m "import BeautifulSoup"
[19:32] <rick_h_> which pip
[19:32] <rick_h_> pip uninstall BeautifulSoup
[19:32] <rick_h_> pip install BeautifulSoup
[19:33] <snap-l> http://paste.mitechie.com/show/387/
[19:34] <rick_h_> which pip points to /home/craig/.virtualenvs/soaptest/bin/ ?
[19:34] <rick_h_> no idea I guess
[19:34] <snap-l> Even creating a new environment doesn't appear to work.
[19:34] <rick_h_> I mean you can verify that the python is in the right place, that the site-packages dir has the BeautifulSoup package
[19:35] <snap-l> http://paste.mitechie.com/show/388/
[19:35] <snap-l> http://superuser.com/questions/325177/beautifulsoup-not-found-after-installing-via-pip <- Apparehtly I'm not the only one. :)
[19:36] <snap-l> What a pain
[19:37] <brousch> snap-l: i just made a virtualenv and it fals for me too
[19:37] <snap-l> brousch: Yeah, apparently 4.0b is borked.
[19:37] <brousch> heh
[19:37] <snap-l> Althought 3.2.0 isn't giving me any more love.
[19:38] <snap-l> Ah, there is goes.
[19:40] <snap-l> Thanks!
[19:40] <snap-l> http://programmers.stackexchange.com/questions/103178/how-to-handle-can-you-add-just-a-few-more-fields-type-of-requests-from-customer
[19:53] <rick_h_> did you reactivate the venv?
[19:53] <rick_h_> I have had that, where I install something and it's not picked up until I reactivate the venv
[19:54] <snap-l> rick_h_: I tried that as well. It appears that version is just not working the same
[19:54] <rick_h_> hmm, a rename of hte package? is it cap'd the same in the site-pacakges dir?
[19:54] <rick_h_> meh, I can't imagine it'd do that
[19:54] <snap-l> I just installed 3.2.0 and I'm happy
[19:57] <rick_h_> cool
[20:38] <brousch> ug, running titanium studio + android emulator used like 1.5GB of ram
[20:43] <nullspace> besides the apple hate, why android?
[20:47] <brousch> nullspace: what else is there?
[20:47] <nullspace> iOS
[20:47] <brousch> but we hate apple
[20:48] <brousch> you have to own an apple to dev for iOS, and then you have to kneal before jobs so he will bless your app
[20:48] <nullspace> true that is annoying, I do like that I can just run an java app on it
[20:49] <brousch> the whole thing is locked into evil
[20:51] <snap-l> brousch speaks truth
[20:51] <brousch> i'll take uglier and clunkier, thank you
[20:53] <brousch> snap-l: did you see my report on your big pdf on the nook color?
[20:53] <snap-l> Yeah, I did
[20:53] <snap-l> That's to be expected, but glad it works.
[20:53] <brousch> heh, 10s page turns are expected?
[20:53] <snap-l> That is one of the biggest bastards
[20:53] <snap-l> Yeah, it's a complicated PDF
[20:54] <snap-l> Take a careful look at it on the page.
[20:54] <brousch> i zoomed in and it took 20s to redraw
[22:25] <snap-l> Sweaty.
[23:29] <rick_h_> nullspace: java > objective C, a lang you can only really use on apple hardware
[23:30] <rick_h_> android > ios because I can easily side load/deploy tablets with it
[23:30] <rick_h_> android > ios because I don't have to own a mac to dev for it
[23:30] <rick_h_> android > ios goes on and on