[06:10] <major_sp00n> So i have a question.
[06:11] <major_sp00n> ive got 7 installed
[06:11] <major_sp00n> but i want to experiment with Ubuntu.
[06:11] <major_sp00n> is there anyway i can do this without having to format my HDD?
[06:13] <superfly> major_sp00n: yes, just install it, and tell it to adjust the size of your hdd
[06:14] <superfly> the installer has the ability to do that... but I think you need to run some windows disk utility first... defrag?
[06:14]  * superfly is out of touch with windows
[06:39] <Symmetria> ullo :)
[06:40] <Squirm> hi
[06:40] <Turtle_neck> major_sp00n here. thanks superfly ill give it a shot
[06:40] <Symmetria> yay, flying today, back on thursday, and then I finally get to spend 2 or 3 weeks at home in the country
[06:41] <Squirm> Turtle_neck: it's actually possible to install Ubuntu inside of windows
[06:41] <superfly> Turtle_neck: I think you have to tell the installer not to do automatic partitioning, but I last did a dual install years ago
[06:41] <superfly> Squirm: yes, but you end up with major issues
[06:41] <Symmetria> and gf arrives in south africa on friday (or saturday, not 100% confirmed)
[06:41] <Symmetria> yay :)
[06:41] <Squirm> wubi
[06:41] <superfly> Squirm: yes, and every time you update grub, wubi bombs out
[06:41] <Squirm> superfly: I never had a problem when I did it, I think Ubuntu doesn't load grub
[06:41] <Squirm> oh
[06:42] <superfly> Squirm: i.e. every time you update your kernel, boom
[06:42] <superfly> Squirm: too many stories from people, I rather direct people to proper dual booting - less issues
[06:42] <Squirm> hmm, there's also Virtual PC
[06:43] <superfly> *VirtualBox
[06:43] <Squirm> no... Virtual PC
[06:43] <Squirm> http://www.microsoft.com/download/en/details.aspx?id=4580
[06:43] <Squirm> but yes, essentially it's VirtualBox for windows
[06:43] <superfly> Squirm: VirtualBox... www.virtualbox.org
[06:43] <superfly> Squirm: VB works on Windows and OS X too, not just Ubuntu
[06:44] <Squirm> hmmmm. :P
[06:44] <Squirm> I knew that
[06:44]  * Squirm whistles innocently
[06:44] <superfly> AND, it's open source
[06:44] <superfly> Squirm: http://www.omaregan.com/?p=598
[06:45] <Squirm> February 6th, 2010
[06:45] <Squirm> ^^
[06:45] <Squirm> but I'm not going to stand up for wubi
[06:45] <superfly> Squirm: it's not the only one
[06:50] <Turtle_neck> im trying to avoid the use of virtual box's. my ram struggles as is. so, u reckon i should just back up all important stuff on teh drive and then attempt an in-windows ubuntu install?
[06:51] <Symmetria> lo superfly
[06:52] <Squirm> Turtle_neck: from what Superfly told me, no. you're better of maybe trying to create a seperate partition, like he said
[06:52] <Squirm> hiya Symmetria
[06:52] <Symmetria> :P someone go do this trip for me
[06:52] <Symmetria> I dont wanna go :P
[06:52] <sakhi> Morning
[06:52] <Turtle_neck> and id have to do that in a live-instance i.e booting from UbuntuCD
[06:53] <Turtle_neck> i thought that creating partitions with an OS on the drive just causes issues?
[06:55] <superfly> hi Symmetria
[06:55] <superfly> Turtle_neck: no, Ubuntu will partition for you, just make sure you select the "resize partition" option
[06:55] <sakhi> hi superfly Symmetria #ubuntu-za
[06:56] <superfly> heya sakhi
[06:56] <Turtle_neck> thanks dood
[07:22]  * Squirm grumbles about people herding cows along the road and end up letting them run into our garden 
[08:23] <Kilos> morning superfly and others
[08:23] <Squirm> hello
[08:23] <superfly> morning oom Kilos
[08:23] <superfly> how are you today?
[08:23] <Kilos> well ty superfly 
[08:24] <Kilos> and you?
[08:24] <superfly> moeg
[08:24] <superfly> but otherwise fine
[08:24] <Kilos> still moeg? need to get a good multivit
[08:25] <Kilos> or sleep more
[08:25] <Kilos> hi HQUbuntu  who are you?
[08:26] <Kilos> the whole HQ or just one person
[08:26] <Kilos> hehe
[08:27] <HQUbuntu> stands for my geographical area
[08:28] <HQUbuntu> first thing I could think of
[08:28] <HQUbuntu> trying to download ubuntu latest server version iso but my firefox doesnt want to do anything when i click save.... weird
[08:28] <Kilos> eish
[08:29] <Kilos> welcome to ubuntu-za HQUbuntu 
[08:29] <HQUbuntu> i may have to download IE again just for this cliche.... i dont like using IE but shall have to.... very weird error
[08:29] <HQUbuntu> thanks
[08:29] <HQUbuntu> i feel welcome
[08:29] <HQUbuntu> is ubuntu still the greatest?
[08:29] <Kilos> of course
[08:31] <Kilos> strange that ff doesnt give you the option to save or even save as
[08:32] <Kilos> if you have downloaded it , it must be somewhere there
[08:33] <Kilos> hey morgs 
[08:34] <Kilos> hi Turtle_neck welcome to ubuntu-za
[08:34] <morgs> hi Kilos and everyone
[08:35] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee on
[08:35]  * Maaz washes some mugs
[08:36] <morgs> HQUbuntu: What exactly happens? You right click Save Link As? or click the link directly? Do you get prompted where to save it?
[08:39] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos!
[08:39] <Kilos> Maaz, gracias amigo
[08:39] <Maaz> ¡de nada compadre
[08:39] <HQUbuntu> weird
[08:40] <HQUbuntu> i get option to save, but when i click nothing happens, as well as no download in background
[08:40] <HQUbuntu> got download manager now and will download third party for now till i figure it out
[08:42] <HQUbuntu> so, i wanne setup nice ubuntu server mainly for squid proxy setup to monitor and control our users internet misuse
[08:42] <HQUbuntu> who is gonna help me? :)
[08:45] <Kilos> HQUbuntu, try this link
[08:45] <Kilos> http://chrisjohnston.org/2008/installing-squid-proxy-using-webmin-on-ubuntu-server-8041
[08:45] <HQUbuntu> thanks, will check it out
[08:45] <HQUbuntu> wont differ much from newest ubuntu 11 right?
[08:46] <Kilos> i dont think so
[08:46] <HQUbuntu> would you recommend webmin? 
[08:47] <Kilos> you need that info from one of the clever guys
[08:48] <superfly> HQUbuntu: I recommend NOT using webmin, and rather learning how to administrate servers via the command line
[08:48] <superfly> webmin is a very big security risk, and you don't learn anything by using it either
[08:50] <Kilos> HQUbuntu, here is another one but i dont see one for natty
[08:50] <Kilos> http://www.ubuntugeek.com/setting-up-ubuntu-10-04-lucid-server-with-squid-3-as-a-transparent-proxy.html
[08:52] <HQUbuntu> thanks guys, i also feel i will rather learn the hard way, without webmin
[08:54] <Kilos> good luck HQUbuntu 
[12:16] <Kilos> whats up the web today
[12:17] <Kilos> and gmail taking longer to connect with pidgin everyday
[12:17] <Kilos> and keeps losing chats
[12:17] <Kilos> grrrr
[12:27] <Kilos> not pidgin evolution
[12:28] <tumbleweed> Symmetria: having some routing trouble today?
[14:27] <Kilos> hiya nlsthzn-work 
[14:29] <nlsthzn-work> Hello Kilos :)
[14:32] <nlsthzn-work> Kilos: All well in SA... seems a bit warmer now :)
[14:33] <Kilos> yes ty nlsthzn-work but big cold front on its way. big winds today
[14:33] <nlsthzn-work> Well, spring day is traditionally bloody cold :)
[14:34] <Kilos> hehe
[14:34] <Kilos> you lucky its never cold there
[14:35] <Kilos> there they wear blankets to keep the heat out
[14:42] <nlsthzn-work> Well... in the winter it becomes cool enough to get cold... sure it is still much warmer than most places on earth :)
[14:43] <Kilos> lol
[15:05] <Kilos> peeps from there dont suffer too much if they end up in hell
[15:05] <Kilos> hehe
[15:14] <nlsthzn-work> Ouch
[15:31] <Kilos> sorry
[15:36] <nlsthzn-work> :)
[17:11] <nlsthzn-work> tumbleweed: cool... I see you are up for election to the Ubuntu Developer Membership Board (or is it just for Ubuntu Developer Membership?)
[17:31] <Kilos> go tumbles
[18:44] <Kilos> battle to get a word in edgewise this channel is so busy
[18:44] <Kilos> hi stefanv 
[18:44] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee on
[18:44]  * Maaz flips the salt-timer
[18:45] <nlsthzn-work> I guess evryone is a bit busy :)
[18:45] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee for all
[18:45] <Maaz> Come on ya buncha geeks. Rock up with your mugs with the correct amount of sugar added already
[18:45] <nlsthzn-work> Maaz: tea please
[18:45] <Maaz> Everybody here drinks coffee or goes thirsty
[18:45] <Kilos> hee hee
[18:45] <nlsthzn-work> Maaz: bite me
[18:45] <Maaz> Chomps a big chunk outa your butt
[18:45] <Kilos> lol
[18:47] <Kilos> Maaz, with milk
[18:47] <Maaz> Yay Kilos You aren't one of those skinny guys that needs to drink black coffee to cast a shadow
[18:48] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos!
[18:49] <Kilos> Maaz, thank you you kind bot you
[18:49] <Maaz> no probs, Kilos
[18:50] <Kilos> hiya pj__ 
[18:50] <pj__> hi 
[18:50] <pj__> i'm new to this 
[18:50] <Kilos> first time here pj__ ?
[18:50] <Kilos> welcome to ubuntu-za
[18:50] <pj__> ja and hope not the last
[18:51] <Kilos> you are welcome any or all the time
[18:51] <pj__> will have to bookmark i see
[18:51] <Kilos> you may even lurk here as so many others do
[18:51] <pj__> thx
[18:52] <Kilos> tell us about yourself
[18:53] <Kilos> are you using windows pj__ 
[18:53] <pj__> 40  (young) kempton park, and playing with ubuntu on my eserver and mint on the pc and pfSense for firewall 
[18:53] <pj__> no long time off windows
[18:54] <pj__> the only windows here is in my house
[18:54] <Kilos> yay. you can use xchat or quassel instead of bookmarking a browser
[18:55] <Kilos> i dunno what is available for mint
[18:55] <pj__> just took xchat of my pc looks like i will have to put it back
[18:55] <Kilos> lol
[18:55] <Kilos> sorry
[18:55] <Kilos> xchat rocks
[18:56] <pj__> just trying mint normaly on kde or lxde wgat puttes me of nome is the top barr do not realy like it but in mint it is not there
[18:57] <Kilos> the irc tool in kde is quassel
[18:57] <Kilos> the kde guys prefer it to xchat
[18:57] <Kilos> i like gnome
[18:58] <pj__> thx will have a look
[18:58] <Kilos> yw
[18:59] <pj__> cheers will c you all soon
[18:59] <nlsthzn-work> kopete for KDE can also do IRC... but it is more of a IM client so most don't use it for IRC (I wouldn't)
[19:00] <Kilos> nlsthzn-work, is that like doing irc with pidgin
[19:01] <Kilos> its like using a racehorse to pull a plough
[19:03] <nlsthzn-work> Basically
[19:05] <Kilos> night nlsthzn-work have a good shift
[19:05] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight
[19:05] <nlsthzn-work> Night uncle Kilos 
[19:30] <tumbleweed> nlsthzn-work: where did you see that? :) yeah I nominated myself
[19:30] <nlsthzn-work> tumbleweed: on the planet ;) ... Good luck with it... Hope you get it :)
[19:32] <tumbleweed> oh, I doubt I will, *I* didn't vote for me :)
[19:32] <tumbleweed> but it's something I'm interested in, so I was happy to stand for it
[19:33] <nlsthzn-work> Oh well... I guess only time will tell :)
[22:01] <superfly> fp
[22:09] <nlsthzn-work> ?
[22:14] <highvoltage> sp
[22:20] <nlsthzn-work> :/