[00:00] Has anyone else tested the Live install with the menu item installer? [00:12] Alright. The installer doesn't seem to work in the menu === ubott2 is now known as ubottu [00:25] There is a problem with the file /rofs/usr/share/applications/ubiquity-gtkui.desktop where it's supposed to say "Xubuntu 11.10" it has "RELEASE" and here is a comment at the top of the file "# Do not translate the word "Xubuntu 11.10". It is used as a marker by casper." [00:36] Looks like I should file a bug agenst xubuntu-default-settings or ubiquity [01:14] But 831716 [01:14] Sorry, I opened Bug #831716 [01:14] Launchpad bug 831716 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "Ubiquity Fails to load on Xubuntu 11.10" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/831716 [01:33] Unit193: that works the best. It sounds like a translation bug [01:33] They put notes like that in, and it should have been commentted out, there are probably more than just the one line. [01:33] Can't be as the other .desktop files were fine and it was in English :P [01:34] I did a diff on those files [01:34] so that is the only line needs commenting? [01:35] That line was commented out in all files, but where it should have said "Xubuntu 11.10" it said "RELEASE" [01:35] You said it is menu, right? [01:35] I see [01:35] It does install from the desktop icon? [01:36] In the menu is correct, but I don't know for sure if it pulls it from /rofs/ as it was also in /usr/share/applications/ . Desktop worked [01:36] mr_pouit is from [01:36] mr_pouit is from France, he is usually sleeping at 3:30 AM his time [01:36] The .desktop file on the desktop was fine :P [01:36] Okay [01:36] Thanks for reporting it. I will confirm the bug and set high priority [01:36] Let me guess, xubuntu-default-settings was the one I was supposed to file it for [01:37] Great! Once you do that, I'll file it in the wiki [01:37] I am not sure [01:37] Oh, wiki it anyway. I put mine in as soon as I get the bug number so I don't forget them. [01:38] Also, I go through them weekly, to see what has changed [01:38] I forgot and was going to put it as confirmed after you did so [01:38] okay [01:39] It just might take me a bit to get there [01:42] And now I spammed you and mic|ahg [01:45] That's okay. I get every change to the https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu part of the wiki [01:45] and every single bug report, too [01:46] If it mentions Xubuntu in the bug report, I will get an email [01:46] oh, and every package for accessibility, too [01:47] Yeah, I guessed. I try not to do the dirty trick of marking it trivial to avoid mailing people :P [01:47] * charlie-tca follows about 7000 bugs, but only has about 1250 he cares about [01:47] Eh, I follow a few pages, my wiki page is one of them :P [01:47] for those subscribed, it doesn't matter what gets marked, they will see it. [01:49] Sometimes I think I got too much stuff going through [01:51] I did that once to see if the people that are subscribed by default would still get it, and they didn't seem to :D (Personal wiki page that I don't keep up :P ) [02:13] charlie-tca, just had a talk with ochosi. he made some improvements to greybird-gtk3 today, and he's going to do a "release" tomorrow, even if some things might be suboptimal [02:15] Thaks [02:15] thanks, too [02:23] I am going away. Too tired to keep going now. [03:20] * Unit193 forgot to update GDoc yet again :P [08:07] mr_pouit: also, I'm hoping to get a little space back with the dh_python2 conversion, but haven't had time for that yet (needs FFes, see u-d-a) [09:12] micahg: ah, if the new limit is 703M, then I guess it's ok [09:12] the daily mail I receive still tells me it's oversized though [10:06] micahg: ping [14:05] Good morning [14:05] morning [14:07] hi [14:07] just released a 0.2.2 version of greybird, which boasts a completely rebased gtk3 theme [14:07] would be happy if some of you could test it [14:08] i can : [14:08] didn't find so many gtk3 apps and the time pressure was rather high, so there might still be quite a few pitfalls [14:08] :) [14:08] k, thanks madnick_ [14:08] ochosi: UI freeze 25th at 21:00 UTC. We don't have the greybird changes in yet === madnick_ is now known as madnick [14:09] charlie-tca: i know, i already talked to mr_pouit about it [14:09] ochosi: welcome back. I hope you had a good holiday [14:09] Okay [14:09] thanks, in fact it was more a work-related trip than holidays [14:09] but yeah, i was gone for quite a while [14:09] didn't have the UI freeze in mind so it all was a bit of a rush today [14:10] Sorry [14:10] Just kind of disappointed to see the changes weren't there yet. [14:10] so it's not all 100% as i would've wanted it [14:11] you have to download the current version directly from git if you want to test it: https://github.com/shimmerproject/Greybird/archives/v0.2.2 [14:11] I can do that [14:11] ok thanks [14:12] not sure that bugs can be fixed before the freeze anyway, but it's still worth knowing [14:13] True. We have a good theme now, if it shows too many bugs, maybe wait for P ? [14:14] actually the gtk3 version of the theme that i did yesterday night and today is definitely better than what is there now [14:14] so that's really worth taking into oneiric [14:14] Great! [14:15] bugfixes might actually be possible even after the UI freeze [14:15] so i guess it depends on what is considered a bug in a theme [14:15] hm [14:15] Yes, that is true, too. If we can report, we can call it a bug, can't we? [14:15] its a zip file [14:15] But "archive not supported" O_o [14:15] madnick: you can run "unzip" from shell [14:16] (i had the same problem with file-roller in oneiric btw) [14:16] charlie-tca: yeah, that was what i thought. "visual bugs" [14:16] ochosi: i just put this with my thems? [14:17] madnick: yes, maybe rename it to "greybird-git" so you can compare the old and the new version [14:17] okay [14:17] : [14:18] it got a little darker? [14:19] maybe the toolbar and the menubar aren't the same anymore [14:19] oh scrollbars look alot better [14:19] but that's because of the engine switch from adwaita to unico [14:20] yeah, the scrollbars should match now, i mean no diff between gtk2 and 3 [14:20] ill use this theme on this machine and see what happens, if i encounter anything odd :P [14:21] k [14:21] Also, I have to face the fact that; LightDM greeter won't be finished in time :\ [14:22] So I guess, change background on the normal gtk greeter + add new icons into the UI file? [14:22] what's the problem with the lightdm theme, the last screenshot i saw looked ok? [14:23] yeah :) however, it wont run in lightdm --test-mode, so there is a bug somewhere (unless --test-mode is bugged :)) [14:23] So I could install it on a real machine and see if it works [14:23] But even if it does work then, i still need to write alot of code still [14:23] madnick, want me to test it? [14:23] Its just not gonna be possible in 1 day [14:24] GridCube: not yet :) ill give it 2 hours more, then we can see if i stumbled upon the bug [14:24] I dont want you to install something that might break it badly [14:24] :P virtual machine don't matter [14:24] oh :) [14:25] i have a real install of oneiric, so if you feel it's ok let me know [14:25] oh, real machine, I use 10.04, can't try that [14:25] ochosi, :D hello [14:25] madnick: okay, we can run with just the lightdm-gtk-greeter if that is the case. Let's get the new theme in for P . [14:25] how was your vacations? [14:25] madnick: what about leaving out the 16bit stuff and just going with what you had already? [14:26] GridCube: fine, i was actually teaching at a university summer academy, so no real vacations ;) [14:26] :P [14:26] summer academy in winter, lol [14:26] winter? [14:26] south hemisphere [14:26] i don't know where you live, but it's summer here... [14:26] charlie-tca: in lightdm? 16 bit stuff would only take 10 minutes, its more about getting it working at all in testmode :( [14:27] ochosi: not limited to visual bugs... If they kick an error in .xsession-errors, we can still report a bug [14:27] GridCube: right :) [14:27] madnick: does testmode have to work? I can release note that it is broken, if the greeter works in real modes [14:27] charlie-tca: yeah, also there might be gtk-warnings etc. i still have a few of those unresolved things that are very tricky to debug and it's not clear where the bug is (visually not always apparent) [14:28] yeah, also: if only the test-mode is broken we can fix that after the UI freeze, because it's a bug then [14:28] same goes for real modes in fact [14:28] charlie-tca: give me 2 hours :P I will try everything I can [14:28] Okay. [14:29] I consider testmode a minor bug. We really need real modes to work, though. [14:31] but he can't know if they work if he cant test them [14:33] yup [14:35] madnick, ochosi : you both got errors trying to extract greybird using thunar and archive manager? [14:36] Mine using oceiric worked [14:36] wonder if we are missing a "unzip" app again? [14:36] charlie-tca: the error was that file-roller didn't seem to recognize the zip-format [14:36] no, unzip was installed [14:36] so i guess it's a file-roller issue [14:37] Okay, I will dig deeper later. I need to run some image tests today [14:43] How do I know if I am running gtk2 or gtk3 theme now? [14:43] you'll be running both, depending on the application [14:44] okay [14:44] ochosi: only thing I see that really bothers me with the new theme is the white on light gray for highlighting [14:45] It has wrong contrast, which makes it hard to see. I have to squint to read what is in white text. [14:45] highlight where? [14:45] looking at thunar [14:45] it highlights the directory or file selected? [14:46] yes, but it's white on blue, just like everywhere else (other lists i mean) [14:46] or do you mean something else? [14:46] the blue it too light for the white text [14:46] oh noes, we had that discussion a long while ago, can't you remember? [14:47] but feel free to send me a screenshot, so that i can see whether it's a bug [14:47] really? [14:47] So, it's my eyes? [14:47] yeah, we kinda settled on this blue back then because you said it's reasonably readable [14:50] Okay [14:50] No, I can't remember... I am old and braindead now [14:50] heh, well don't worry, i can ;) [14:51] but as long as you remember, we don't need to rehash it :) [14:51] no anyway, it's a bit late now to change things drastically :) [15:00] k, i'm off for now, feel free to ping me if you come across anything noteworthy wrt greybird [15:01] http://www.madnick.se/~madnick/xubuntu/lightdm-gtk-greeter-changes.tar.gz [15:01] http://www.madnick.se/~madnick/xubuntu/changes.png [15:01] known issues: gtk-scale, progressbar (those are not the same in gtk2 and 3) [15:03] hello [15:03] where I can mark passed tests of xubuntu oneriric daily? [15:03] dunno if thats accepable, but I guess its better than pink :) [15:03] madnick: that's what we get? It looks lioke it will work for me [15:04] charlie-tca: unfortunetly, because: There is simply not enough time to fix the theme in progress [15:04] The brand new one [15:04] :( [15:04] Olbi: http://2tu.us/3gn1 [15:04] madnick: That will work. the tar above is for mr_pouit ? [15:04] Yes, I suppose, or if someone like to test it [15:05] It's way better than pink, yes :) [15:05] it uses the new icons [15:05] And the xubuntu-icon.svg [15:05] And the background + slightly larger prompt [15:05] thats it [15:05]

: thx [15:08] shouldn't theme-name by Greybird (instead of Ambiance), and font-name Droid Sans (instead of Ubuntu)? [15:08] s/by/be/ [15:09] in lightdm? [15:09] Sure, I did not change anything like that [15:09] Did not occur to me [15:09] yes, in lightdm [15:09] All he did is throw the background in, and icons, I think [15:09] yeah [15:10] Im sort of disappointed in myself for not being able to be quicker with the new theme :( [15:13] I wonder if it is possible to change icon on desktop, I mean disks icon from now to computer looks likes:] [15:14] Olbi: no, those are fixed by the theme [15:14] Maybe changing icon sets will change them, but it will change all the icons [15:15] I don't really know how I'm supposed to use these files though [15:15] I really can't replace the ones from lightdm-gtk-greeter [15:16] madnick: mr_pouit needs some help with the tar files [15:16] okay [15:16] mr_pouit: how come we cannot do that? [15:16] you* [15:17] Should I fork off another lightdm-gtk-greeter [15:17] and rename it? [15:17] In case we need the original [15:19] madnick: I can use dpkg-divert, but it's ugly, and anyway will affect everyone using the gtk greeter with xubuntu-artwork installed, which is not nice either [15:19] Oh [15:20] So what is the best solution? Fork the greeter and ship as another greeter? [15:20] and lightdm-gtk-greeter will only look for its config in -DCONFIG_FILE=\""$(configdir)/lightdm-gtk-greeter.conf"\", so I can't create another greeter reusing this binary [15:21] I'm afraid we've to fork it yeah [15:21] okidokie [15:22] grmbl, this will probably require a freeze exception =] [15:22] how come? [15:23] mr_pouit: skaet will approve it [15:23] I gave notice just before the freeze we would need one for lightdm [15:24] madnick: it needs its own package [15:24] oh [15:25] mr_pouit: been advised by cjwatson to wait on the "maybe-ubiquity" change until after oneiric releases [15:26] yeah, this is wise [16:04] weechat is doing things when I change themes; it just closed on me [16:06] charlie-tca, want me to delete the form made sheet and the form? [16:07] There's no way we can make it work, huh? [16:08] It just doesn't want to cooperate and let us see the tests to do/done, is there? [16:08] i can do some choosing things, but it wont take information from the sheet and show it on the form, no [16:09] i can make it ask you if you asked on the irc channel, or what day tests you are meant to do [16:09] but not see the tests already done, unless... [16:09] unless i like people to the form and they see by themselfs [16:10] s/like/link [16:10] yeah, may as well update it manually then [16:10] yes [16:14] GridCube, let's move the conversation here... [16:14] we don't have pulseaudio anymore, or why isn't it mentioned? [16:15] i did an audio questio [16:15] its number 2 [16:15] or 1 [16:15] i know, (#1), but id doesn't mention pulseaudio, only alsa [16:15] but i did it whit alsa, not pulseadio [16:15] i never used pulseaudio so i don't know [16:16] the problem before was many times pulseaudio [16:16] charlie-tca, have we removed pulseaudio? [16:16] i actually did sudo apt-get purge pulseadio [16:16] right. that is what i'd propose as the last effort. [16:16] gstreamer*pulseaudio too [16:16] no, we haven't. But we do not get near the questions about it, either, that we were seeing [16:16] okay. [16:17] sorry gotta go buy some stuff [16:17] GridCube, what's your emila? [16:17] email [16:17] or shall i just use the ML for improvement suggestions [16:19] (i'll do that) [16:37] hm, new plymouth screen on desktop image looks great! [16:52] mr_pouit: colors are screwed up bad on the live cd installer [16:53] charlie-tca, but the logo is still the old one? [16:53] nothing to do with logo [16:53] go to live session, click on install xubuntu, colors are screwed [16:53] okay, could have if you were talking about the same menu [16:53] right [16:53] that's different, yes [16:55] Unit193: 64bit live session, install from menu works [16:55] knome, my mail is gridcube@gmail.com [16:55] (or @yahoo.com.ar, or @hotmail.com) [16:55] i already sent mail to the devel mailing list :) [16:56] mr_pouit: no bug filed for colors [16:56] :D [16:57] yet, at least [16:58] going to need a bug on the colors, some fields go black text on black background when clicked [16:58] better testing on normal comp or vbox is enough? [16:58] VBox is great! [16:59] We accept tests on anything you can use. Please don't mess up your installation you need to test oneiric, though. [16:59] knome, about proofreading, my native language aint english, i will need someone to do that [16:59] GridCube, sure :) [17:00] charlie-tca, https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xubuntu-docs/+bug/332687 [17:00] Ubuntu bug 332687 in xubuntu-docs (Ubuntu) "If possible, Xubuntu browser start page should include Xubuntu logo rather than the Ubuntu logo" [Wishlist,In progress] [17:00] charlie-tca, is that still valid for oneiric? [17:01] as in, you plan to write a firefox start page ? [17:01] too late to do that now [17:01] charlie-tca, i don't for oneiric, but if the bug is still valid, i'll do that for O+1 [17:01] Okay, start writing then [17:01] charlie-tca, is it? [17:02] We still use the Ubuntu start page [17:02] okay [17:02] We also should have xubuntu.org bookmarked in it [17:02] yeah. [17:03] GridCube: what is your native language?:P [17:04] knome: don't know that the referrences given in that bug are still valid. I believe the page and css have moved [17:04] yup, i believe so too, but i just assigned to myself so i don't forget to investigate [17:06] Olbi, spañish [17:06] :P [17:13] ish [17:14] :P i like my ñ [17:15] its pretty representative of my language [17:15] i feel it need to be showed more, its a crusade [17:15] heh [17:17] Unit193: will try the i386 desktop image to confirm the installer bug [17:22] I like my polish language :] [17:23] ź, ż, ć, ą, ę, ł, ó, ś :D [17:24] what if i open the file so anyone can edit it? [17:25] GridCube, that would be good. [17:25] https://docs.google.com/document/d/1HyhsMPDyyN-mRWRujfZX3JuKX9aWFQPWsxMEiJX99gQ/edit?hl=es [17:25] done [17:26] well i have classes soon :D today is Reference and Information Services day :P [17:27] :) see you [17:32] jockey-back-end crashed here too :D [17:33] charlie-tca, had a talk with chrisccoulson and he said it's not going to be easy, at least, but we scheduled some more time to discuss about it friday [17:33] I didn't get the oneconf crash this time, yet [17:34] knome: I knew it wasn't gonna be easy, but is it doable? [17:34] with firefox changing things so fast now? [17:35] super, freezing when preparing to install from LiveCD :D [17:35] charlie-tca, it's not about firefox complexity really, it's more about the ubufox package doing some not-always-so-stable things already, and this would kind of be one more issue [17:36] it's normal to freeze during preparing install? [17:36] it figures. One more thing to try and make work [17:36] charlie-tca, it is doable, but chrisccoulson wasn't exactly cheering for it. [17:36] okay [17:37] Olbi: freezing as in trying to type, or just moving through the installer, or where? [17:37] charlie-tca: when you choose checkbox: updating during install and install 3rd party software [17:37] yup [17:37] it freezes and then goes again, then freezes again [17:38] cool :) nice feature :P [17:38] heh, at least it does go again, right? [17:38] no, i have to end this and start again [17:39] when you ddint check any box it works good [17:39] give it time, it should unfreeze in a few minutes [17:39] no, I had w8 5 minuts :D [17:40] 2 times :] [17:40] wow [17:40] now install :] [17:40] okay, maybe it is a slow connection? [17:40] 12 Mb/s :] [17:40] faster than mine [17:40] Mine will freeze, then go, then freeze, then go. It just takes about twice as long [17:41] I install without and 3rd software whole disk [17:42] timezone isnt working properly [17:43] not detected properly or choosing manually? [17:44] automated isnt' works, manula good [17:44] Olbi: probably need to file a bug for timezones; boot the live session and file it using [17:45] ubuntu-bug ubiquity [17:45] in a terminal [17:45] ok, w8 only when system installs [17:47] Oneconf crash seems to be fixed today!@ [17:48] too soon, apparently takes longer to crash today [17:48] updated the top 10 doc [17:49] omg, lightdm is awfull :] [17:52] huh? [17:53] it looks like logon screen in win98 :D [17:57] Olbi: are you looking at the right one? I see a really snazzy version on Ubuntu complete with rotating users etc [17:57] I have daily oneiric from today 10:50 am [17:59] Well, I don't remember what win98 used. I got a blue background, with a centered user list here [18:00] charlie-tca: Ouch I'd of thought you would of poached the unity one and modded :( [18:00] and it is a whole lot better then the unity greeter in black [18:00] charlie-tca: or made your own pretty one [18:00] we couldn't get it done in time. Since lightdm changed so many times, we have only had since featurefreeze to try and do anything,. [18:01] no docs, no robert to ask, makes it really hard to cusomize [18:01] charlie-tca: arse monkeys [18:01] but gdm looks better when you logged in that lightdm now [18:01] yup [18:01] we tried really hard. [18:01] gdm is not going to be used [18:02] I know it :] [18:02] we are tired of fighting with it [18:02] spox :] [18:03] is it easier to change than gdm? [18:03] If they don't screw us up anymore, we can have a really nice lightdm screen for the next release [18:03] much easier [18:03] gdm we have to do a lot of customizing just to make it work [18:03] Olbi: from what the devs have said it's been really nice to work with :( [18:04] However, change still takes time to do, and with a whole week or so, it just wasn't enough [18:04] :) [18:05] Ubuntu got four months or so, we got a whole week [18:05] charlie-tca: you make is sound like a challenge ;) [18:05] sorry, I didn't mean to :) [18:06] I think the lightdm fiasco upset me more than most things do. [18:07] charlie-tca: put some spin on it, in using lightdm we have made it as light as possible to get you to your desktop as quickly as possible, then it's a feature ;) [18:07] heh, hadn't thought of it that way. [18:07] I guess I just have to give it some thought [18:08] haha [18:12] 5.8 earthquake in eastern United States today? [18:56] Unit193: confirming the installer bug on i386 desktop images only. Doesn't affect 64bit images [18:57] is it possible to remove Logout from Top right icon or change position with shutdown? [19:01] charlie-tca: Alright, thanks. Mine has been marked as a dupe of one filed a few hours after it, didn't know you could do that :P [19:01] But I don't really care [19:07] I see that, and commented on the other bug too. They can not use the live session to install, but I can by clicking on the icon [19:08] Olbi: no, at this late date, changes can not be done anymore. [19:09] I have bug of ubiquti :P [19:09] error while try to install [19:10] when check box with 3rd party soft [19:15] got it [19:15] bug 831519 [19:15] Launchpad bug 831519 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "ubiquity crashed with DBusException in call_blocking(): org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown: The name :1.60 was not provided by any .service files" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/831519 [19:15] the number after name : will change, but the bug is the same [19:21] testing autoresize partitioning :] [19:21] next will be 32 bit LiveCD [19:23] all works good :) [19:26] we be banging heads soon, huh? [19:26] Olbi: thanks for testing these! It is always good to make sure we cover enough, and the bugs are not just one person. [19:27] hehe :D [19:27] charlie-tca: what you mean with incorrect colors on installer? [19:28] The headers are in pink, if I click on options, the text and background go black [19:28] The Continue block is in gray, but the rest are in bright white [19:29] Did you file a bug on timezones? [19:29] seems not to work at all here now [19:29] yep, noly manula works :P [19:29] auto is crashed [19:29] Oh, maybe the freeze instead... [19:30]