[00:00] <Unit193> Has anyone else tested the Live install with the menu item installer?
[00:12] <Unit193> Alright. The installer doesn't seem to work in the menu
[00:25] <Unit193> There is a problem with the file /rofs/usr/share/applications/ubiquity-gtkui.desktop where it's supposed to say "Xubuntu 11.10" it has "RELEASE" and here is a comment at the top of the file "# Do not translate the word "Xubuntu 11.10".  It is used as a marker by casper."
[00:36] <Unit193> Looks like I should file a bug agenst xubuntu-default-settings or ubiquity
[01:14] <Unit193> But 831716
[01:14] <Unit193> Sorry, I opened Bug #831716
[01:33] <charlie-tca> Unit193: that works the best. It sounds like a translation bug
[01:33] <charlie-tca> They put notes like that in, and it should have been commentted out, there are probably more than just the one line.
[01:33] <Unit193> Can't be as the other .desktop files were fine and it was in English :P
[01:34] <Unit193> I did a diff on those files
[01:34] <charlie-tca> so that is the only line needs commenting?
[01:35] <Unit193> That line was commented out in all files, but where it should have said "Xubuntu 11.10" it said "RELEASE"
[01:35] <charlie-tca> You said it is menu, right? 
[01:35] <charlie-tca> I see
[01:35] <charlie-tca> It does install from the desktop icon?
[01:36] <Unit193> In the menu is correct, but I don't know for sure if it pulls it from /rofs/ as it was also in /usr/share/applications/ .  Desktop worked
[01:36] <charlie-tca> mr_pouit is from 
[01:36] <charlie-tca> mr_pouit is from France, he is usually sleeping at 3:30 AM his time
[01:36] <Unit193> The .desktop file on the desktop was fine :P
[01:36] <charlie-tca> Okay
[01:36] <charlie-tca> Thanks for reporting it. I will confirm the bug and set high priority
[01:36] <Unit193> Let me guess, xubuntu-default-settings was the one I was supposed to file it for
[01:37] <Unit193> Great! Once you do that, I'll file it in the wiki
[01:37] <charlie-tca> I am not sure
[01:37] <charlie-tca> Oh, wiki it anyway. I put mine in as soon as I get the bug number so I don't forget them. 
[01:38] <charlie-tca> Also, I go through them weekly, to see what has changed
[01:38] <Unit193> I forgot and was going to put it as confirmed after you did so
[01:38] <charlie-tca> okay
[01:39] <charlie-tca> It just might take me a bit to get there
[01:42] <Unit193> And now I spammed you and mic|ahg
[01:45] <charlie-tca> That's okay. I get every change to the https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu part of the wiki
[01:45] <charlie-tca> and every single bug report, too
[01:46] <charlie-tca> If it mentions Xubuntu in the bug report, I will get an email
[01:46] <charlie-tca> oh, and every package for accessibility, too
[01:47] <Unit193> Yeah, I guessed. I try not to do the dirty trick of marking it trivial to avoid mailing people :P
[01:47]  * charlie-tca follows about 7000 bugs, but only has about 1250 he cares about
[01:47] <Unit193> Eh, I follow a few pages, my wiki page is one of them :P
[01:47] <charlie-tca> for those subscribed, it doesn't matter what gets marked, they will see it.
[01:49] <charlie-tca> Sometimes I think I got too much stuff going through
[01:51] <Unit193> I did that once to see if the people that are subscribed by default would still get it, and they didn't seem to :D (Personal wiki page that I don't keep up :P )
[02:13] <knome> charlie-tca, just had a talk with ochosi. he made some improvements to greybird-gtk3 today, and he's going to do a "release" tomorrow, even if some things might be suboptimal
[02:15] <charlie-tca> Thaks
[02:15] <charlie-tca> thanks, too
[02:23] <charlie-tca> I am going away. Too tired to keep going now. 
[03:20]  * Unit193 forgot to update GDoc yet again :P
[08:07] <micahg> mr_pouit: also, I'm hoping to get a little space back with the dh_python2 conversion, but haven't had time for that yet (needs FFes, see u-d-a)
[09:12] <mr_pouit> micahg: ah, if the new limit is 703M, then I guess it's ok
[09:12] <mr_pouit> the daily mail I receive still tells me it's oversized though
[10:06] <ochosi> micahg: ping
[14:05] <charlie-tca> Good morning
[14:05] <madnick_> morning
[14:07] <ochosi> hi
[14:07] <ochosi> just released a 0.2.2 version of greybird, which boasts a completely rebased gtk3 theme
[14:07] <ochosi> would be happy if some of you could test it
[14:08] <madnick_> i can :
[14:08] <ochosi> didn't find so many gtk3 apps and the time pressure was rather high, so there might still be quite a few pitfalls
[14:08] <madnick_> :) 
[14:08] <ochosi> k, thanks madnick_ 
[14:08] <charlie-tca> ochosi: UI freeze 25th at 21:00 UTC. We don't have the greybird changes in yet
[14:09] <ochosi> charlie-tca: i know, i already talked to mr_pouit about it
[14:09] <charlie-tca> ochosi: welcome back. I hope you had a good holiday
[14:09] <charlie-tca> Okay
[14:09] <ochosi> thanks, in fact it was more a work-related trip than holidays
[14:09] <ochosi> but yeah, i was gone for quite a while
[14:09] <ochosi> didn't have the UI freeze in mind so it all was a bit of a rush today
[14:10] <charlie-tca> Sorry
[14:10] <charlie-tca> Just kind of disappointed to see the changes weren't there yet.
[14:10] <ochosi> so it's not all 100% as i would've wanted it
[14:11] <ochosi> you have to download the current version directly from git if you want to test it: https://github.com/shimmerproject/Greybird/archives/v0.2.2
[14:11] <charlie-tca> I can do that
[14:11] <ochosi> ok thanks
[14:12] <ochosi> not sure that bugs can be fixed before the freeze anyway, but it's still worth knowing
[14:13] <charlie-tca> True. We have a good theme now, if it shows too many bugs, maybe wait for P ?
[14:14] <ochosi> actually the gtk3 version of the theme that i did yesterday night and today is definitely better than what is there now
[14:14] <ochosi> so that's really worth taking into oneiric
[14:14] <charlie-tca> Great!
[14:15] <ochosi> bugfixes might actually be possible even after the UI freeze
[14:15] <ochosi> so i guess it depends on what is considered a bug in a theme
[14:15] <madnick> hm
[14:15] <charlie-tca> Yes, that is true, too. If we can report, we can call it a bug, can't we?
[14:15] <madnick> its a zip file
[14:15] <madnick> But "archive not supported" O_o
[14:15] <ochosi> madnick: you can run "unzip" from shell
[14:16] <ochosi> (i had the same problem with file-roller in oneiric btw)
[14:16] <ochosi> charlie-tca: yeah, that was what i thought. "visual bugs"
[14:16] <madnick> ochosi: i just put this with my thems?
[14:17] <ochosi> madnick: yes, maybe rename it to "greybird-git" so you can compare the old and the new version
[14:17] <madnick> okay
[14:17] <madnick> :
[14:18] <madnick> it got a little darker?
[14:19] <ochosi> maybe the toolbar and the menubar aren't the same anymore
[14:19] <madnick> oh scrollbars look alot better
[14:19] <ochosi> but that's because of the engine switch from adwaita to unico
[14:20] <ochosi> yeah, the scrollbars should match now, i mean no diff between gtk2 and 3
[14:20] <madnick> ill use this theme on this machine and see what happens, if i encounter anything odd :P
[14:21] <ochosi> k
[14:21] <madnick> Also, I have to face the fact that; LightDM greeter won't be finished in time :\
[14:22] <madnick> So I guess, change background on the normal gtk greeter + add new icons into the UI file?
[14:22] <ochosi> what's the problem with the lightdm theme, the last screenshot i saw looked ok?
[14:23] <madnick> yeah :) however, it wont run in lightdm --test-mode, so there is a bug somewhere (unless --test-mode is bugged :)) 
[14:23] <madnick> So I could install it on a real machine and see if it works
[14:23] <madnick> But even if it does work then, i still need to write alot of code still
[14:23] <GridCube> madnick, want me to test it?
[14:23] <madnick> Its just not gonna be possible in 1 day
[14:24] <madnick> GridCube: not yet :) ill give it 2 hours more, then we can see if i stumbled upon the bug
[14:24] <madnick> I dont want you to install something that might break it badly
[14:24] <GridCube> :P virtual machine don't matter
[14:24] <madnick> oh :)
[14:25] <ochosi> i have a real install of oneiric, so if you feel it's ok let me know
[14:25] <GridCube> oh, real machine, I use 10.04, can't try that
[14:25] <GridCube> ochosi, :D hello
[14:25] <charlie-tca> madnick: okay, we can run with just the lightdm-gtk-greeter if that is the case. Let's get the new theme in for P .
[14:25] <GridCube> how was your vacations?
[14:25] <charlie-tca> madnick: what about leaving out the 16bit stuff and just going with what you had already?
[14:26] <ochosi> GridCube: fine, i was actually teaching at a university summer academy, so no real vacations ;)
[14:26] <GridCube> :P
[14:26] <GridCube> summer academy in winter, lol
[14:26] <ochosi> winter?
[14:26] <GridCube> south hemisphere
[14:26] <ochosi> i don't know where you live, but it's summer here...
[14:26] <madnick> charlie-tca: in lightdm? 16 bit stuff would only take 10 minutes, its more about getting it working at all in testmode :(
[14:27] <charlie-tca> ochosi: not limited to visual bugs... If they kick an error in .xsession-errors, we can still report a bug
[14:27] <ochosi> GridCube: right :)
[14:27] <charlie-tca> madnick: does testmode have to work? I can release note that it is broken, if the greeter works in real modes
[14:27] <ochosi> charlie-tca: yeah, also there might be gtk-warnings etc. i still have a few of those unresolved things that are very tricky to debug and it's not clear where the bug is (visually not always apparent)
[14:28] <ochosi> yeah, also: if only the test-mode is broken we can fix that after the UI freeze, because it's a bug then
[14:28] <ochosi> same goes for real modes in fact
[14:28] <madnick> charlie-tca: give me 2 hours :P I will try everything I can
[14:28] <charlie-tca> Okay. 
[14:29] <charlie-tca> I consider testmode a minor bug. We really need real modes to work, though.
[14:31] <GridCube> but he can't know if they work if he cant test them
[14:33] <charlie-tca> yup
[14:35] <charlie-tca> madnick, ochosi : you both got errors trying to extract greybird using thunar and archive manager?
[14:36] <charlie-tca> Mine using oceiric worked
[14:36] <charlie-tca> wonder if we are missing a "unzip" app again?
[14:36] <ochosi> charlie-tca: the error was that file-roller didn't seem to recognize the zip-format
[14:36] <ochosi> no, unzip was installed
[14:36] <ochosi> so i guess it's a file-roller issue
[14:37] <charlie-tca> Okay, I will dig deeper later. I need to run some image tests today
[14:43] <charlie-tca> How do I know if I am running gtk2 or gtk3 theme now?
[14:43] <mr_pouit> you'll be running both, depending on the application
[14:44] <charlie-tca> okay
[14:44] <charlie-tca> ochosi: only thing I see that really bothers me with the new theme is the white on light gray for highlighting
[14:45] <charlie-tca> It has wrong contrast, which makes it hard to see. I have to squint to read what is in white text.
[14:45] <ochosi> highlight where?
[14:45] <charlie-tca> looking at thunar
[14:45] <charlie-tca> it highlights the directory or file selected?
[14:46] <ochosi> yes, but it's white on blue, just like everywhere else (other lists i mean)
[14:46] <ochosi> or do you mean something else?
[14:46] <charlie-tca> the blue it too light for the white text
[14:46] <ochosi> oh noes, we had that discussion a long while ago, can't you remember?
[14:47] <ochosi> but feel free to send me a screenshot, so that i can see whether it's a bug
[14:47] <charlie-tca> really?
[14:47] <charlie-tca> So, it's my eyes?
[14:47] <ochosi> yeah, we kinda settled on this blue back then because you said it's reasonably readable
[14:50] <charlie-tca> Okay
[14:50] <charlie-tca> No, I can't remember... I am old and braindead now
[14:50] <ochosi> heh, well don't worry, i can ;)
[14:51] <charlie-tca> but as long as you remember, we don't need to rehash it :)
[14:51] <ochosi> no anyway, it's a bit late now to change things drastically :)
[15:00] <ochosi> k, i'm off for now, feel free to ping me if you come across anything noteworthy wrt greybird
[15:01] <madnick> http://www.madnick.se/~madnick/xubuntu/lightdm-gtk-greeter-changes.tar.gz
[15:01] <madnick> http://www.madnick.se/~madnick/xubuntu/changes.png
[15:01] <ochosi> known issues: gtk-scale, progressbar (those are not the same in gtk2 and 3)
[15:03] <Olbi> hello
[15:03] <Olbi> where I can mark passed tests of xubuntu oneriric daily?
[15:03] <madnick> dunno if thats accepable, but I guess its better than pink :)
[15:03] <charlie-tca> madnick: that's what we get? It looks lioke it will work for me 
[15:04] <madnick> charlie-tca: unfortunetly, because: There is simply not enough time to fix the theme in progress
[15:04] <madnick> The brand new one
[15:04] <madnick> :(
[15:04] <charlie-tca> Olbi: http://2tu.us/3gn1
[15:04] <charlie-tca> madnick: That will work. the tar above is for mr_pouit ?
[15:04] <madnick> Yes, I suppose, or if someone like to test it
[15:05] <charlie-tca> It's way better than pink, yes :)
[15:05] <madnick> it uses the new icons
[15:05] <madnick> And the xubuntu-icon.svg
[15:05] <madnick> And the background + slightly larger prompt
[15:05] <madnick> thats it
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[15:08] <mr_pouit> shouldn't theme-name by Greybird (instead of Ambiance), and font-name Droid Sans (instead of Ubuntu)?
[15:08] <mr_pouit> s/by/be/
[15:09] <charlie-tca> in lightdm?
[15:09] <madnick> Sure, I did not change anything like that
[15:09] <madnick> Did not occur to me
[15:09] <mr_pouit> yes, in lightdm
[15:09] <charlie-tca> All he did is throw the background in, and icons, I think
[15:09] <madnick> yeah
[15:10] <madnick> Im sort of disappointed in myself for not being able to be quicker with the new theme :(
[15:13] <Olbi> I wonder if it is possible to change icon on desktop, I mean disks icon from now to computer looks likes:]
[15:14] <charlie-tca> Olbi: no, those are fixed by the theme
[15:14] <charlie-tca> Maybe changing icon sets will change them, but it will change all the icons
[15:15] <mr_pouit> I don't really know how I'm supposed to use these files though
[15:15] <mr_pouit> I really can't replace the ones from lightdm-gtk-greeter
[15:16] <charlie-tca> madnick: mr_pouit needs some help with the tar files
[15:16] <madnick> okay
[15:16] <madnick> mr_pouit: how come we cannot do that?
[15:16] <madnick> you*
[15:17] <madnick> Should I fork off another lightdm-gtk-greeter
[15:17] <madnick> and rename it?
[15:17] <madnick> In case we need the original
[15:19] <mr_pouit> madnick: I can use dpkg-divert, but it's ugly, and anyway will affect everyone using the gtk greeter with xubuntu-artwork installed, which is not nice either
[15:19] <madnick> Oh
[15:20] <madnick> So what is the best solution? Fork the greeter and ship as another greeter?
[15:20] <mr_pouit> and lightdm-gtk-greeter will only look for its config in -DCONFIG_FILE=\""$(configdir)/lightdm-gtk-greeter.conf"\", so I can't create another greeter reusing this binary
[15:21] <mr_pouit> I'm afraid we've to fork it yeah
[15:21] <madnick> okidokie
[15:22] <mr_pouit> grmbl, this will probably require a freeze exception =]
[15:22] <madnick> how come? 
[15:23] <charlie-tca> mr_pouit: skaet will approve it
[15:23] <charlie-tca> I gave notice just before the freeze we would need one for lightdm
[15:24] <mr_pouit> madnick: it needs its own package
[15:24] <madnick> oh
[15:25] <charlie-tca> mr_pouit: been advised by cjwatson to wait on the "maybe-ubiquity"  change until after oneiric releases
[15:26] <mr_pouit> yeah, this is wise
[16:04] <charlie-tca> weechat is doing things when I change themes; it just closed on me
[16:06] <GridCube> charlie-tca, want me to delete the form made sheet and the form?
[16:07] <charlie-tca> There's no way we can make it work, huh?
[16:08] <charlie-tca> It just doesn't want to cooperate and let us see the tests to do/done, is there?
[16:08] <GridCube> i can do some choosing things, but it wont take information from the sheet and show it on the form, no
[16:09] <GridCube> i can make it ask you if you asked on the irc channel, or what day tests you are meant to do
[16:09] <GridCube> but not see the tests already done, unless...
[16:09] <GridCube> unless i like people to the form and they see by themselfs
[16:10] <GridCube> s/like/link
[16:10] <charlie-tca> yeah, may as well update it manually then
[16:10] <GridCube> yes
[16:14] <knome> GridCube, let's move the conversation here...
[16:14] <knome> we don't have pulseaudio anymore, or why isn't it mentioned?
[16:15] <GridCube> i did an audio questio
[16:15] <GridCube> its number 2
[16:15] <GridCube> or 1
[16:15] <knome> i know, (#1), but id doesn't mention pulseaudio, only alsa
[16:15] <GridCube> but i did it whit alsa, not pulseadio
[16:15] <GridCube> i never used pulseaudio so i don't know 
[16:16] <knome> the problem before was many times pulseaudio
[16:16] <knome> charlie-tca, have we removed pulseaudio?
[16:16] <GridCube> i actually did sudo apt-get purge pulseadio
[16:16] <knome> right. that is what i'd propose as the last effort.
[16:16] <knome> gstreamer*pulseaudio too
[16:16] <charlie-tca> no, we haven't. But we do not get near the questions about it, either, that we were seeing
[16:16] <knome> okay.
[16:17] <GridCube> sorry gotta go buy some stuff
[16:17] <knome> GridCube, what's your emila?
[16:17] <knome> email
[16:17] <knome> or shall i just use the ML for improvement suggestions
[16:19] <knome> (i'll do that)
[16:37] <charlie-tca> hm, new plymouth screen on desktop image looks great!
[16:52] <charlie-tca> mr_pouit: colors are screwed up bad on the live cd installer
[16:53] <knome> charlie-tca, but the logo is still the old one?
[16:53] <charlie-tca> nothing to do with logo
[16:53] <charlie-tca> go to live session, click on install xubuntu, colors are screwed
[16:53] <knome> okay, could have if you were talking about the same menu
[16:53] <knome> right
[16:53] <knome> that's different, yes
[16:55] <charlie-tca> Unit193: 64bit live session, install from menu works
[16:55] <GridCube> knome, my mail is gridcube@gmail.com
[16:55] <GridCube> (or @yahoo.com.ar, or @hotmail.com)
[16:55] <knome> i already sent mail to the devel mailing list :)
[16:56] <charlie-tca> mr_pouit: no bug filed for colors
[16:56] <GridCube> :D
[16:57] <charlie-tca> yet, at least
[16:58] <charlie-tca> going to need a bug on the colors, some fields go black text on black background when clicked
[16:58] <Olbi> better testing on normal comp or vbox is enough?
[16:58] <charlie-tca> VBox is great!
[16:59] <charlie-tca> We accept tests on anything you can use. Please don't mess up your installation you need to test oneiric, though.
[16:59] <GridCube> knome, about proofreading, my native language aint english, i will need someone to do that
[16:59] <knome> GridCube, sure :)
[17:00] <knome> charlie-tca, https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xubuntu-docs/+bug/332687
[17:00] <knome> charlie-tca, is that still valid for oneiric?
[17:01] <charlie-tca> as in, you plan to write a firefox start page ?
[17:01] <charlie-tca> too late to do that now
[17:01] <knome> charlie-tca, i don't for oneiric, but if the bug is still valid, i'll do that for O+1
[17:01] <charlie-tca> Okay, start writing then
[17:01] <knome> charlie-tca, is it?
[17:02] <charlie-tca> We still use the Ubuntu start page
[17:02] <knome> okay
[17:02] <charlie-tca> We also should have xubuntu.org bookmarked in it
[17:02] <knome> yeah.
[17:03] <Olbi> GridCube: what is your native language?:P
[17:04] <charlie-tca> knome: don't know that the referrences given in that bug are still valid. I believe the page and css have moved
[17:04] <knome> yup, i believe so too, but i just assigned to myself so i don't forget to investigate
[17:06] <GridCube> Olbi, spañish
[17:06] <Olbi> :P
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[17:14] <GridCube> :P i like my ñ
[17:15] <GridCube> its pretty representative of my language
[17:15] <GridCube> i feel it need to be showed more, its a crusade
[17:15] <knome> heh
[17:17] <charlie-tca> Unit193: will try the i386 desktop image to confirm the installer bug
[17:22] <Olbi> I like my polish language :]
[17:23] <Olbi> ź, ż, ć, ą, ę, ł, ó, ś :D
[17:24] <GridCube> what if i open the file so anyone can edit it?
[17:25] <knome> GridCube, that would be good.
[17:25] <GridCube> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1HyhsMPDyyN-mRWRujfZX3JuKX9aWFQPWsxMEiJX99gQ/edit?hl=es
[17:25] <GridCube> done
[17:26] <GridCube> well i have classes soon  :D today is Reference and Information Services day :P
[17:27] <GridCube> :) see you 
[17:32] <Olbi> jockey-back-end crashed here too :D
[17:33] <knome> charlie-tca, had a talk with chrisccoulson and he said it's not going to be easy, at least, but we scheduled some more time to discuss about it friday
[17:33] <charlie-tca> I didn't get the oneconf crash this time, yet
[17:34] <charlie-tca> knome: I knew it wasn't gonna be easy, but is it doable?
[17:34] <charlie-tca> with firefox changing things so fast now?
[17:35] <Olbi> super, freezing when preparing to install from LiveCD :D
[17:35] <knome> charlie-tca, it's not about firefox complexity really, it's more about the ubufox package doing some not-always-so-stable things already, and this would kind of be one more issue
[17:36] <Olbi> it's normal to freeze during preparing install?
[17:36] <charlie-tca> it figures. One more thing to try and make work
[17:36] <knome> charlie-tca, it is doable, but chrisccoulson wasn't exactly cheering for it.
[17:36] <charlie-tca> okay
[17:37] <charlie-tca> Olbi: freezing as in trying to type, or just moving through the installer, or where?
[17:37] <Olbi> charlie-tca: when you choose checkbox: updating during install and install 3rd party software
[17:37] <charlie-tca> yup
[17:37] <charlie-tca> it freezes and then goes again, then freezes again
[17:38] <Olbi> cool :) nice feature :P
[17:38] <charlie-tca> heh, at least it does go again, right?
[17:38] <Olbi> no, i have to end this and start again
[17:39] <Olbi> when you ddint check any box it works good
[17:39] <charlie-tca> give it time, it should unfreeze in a few minutes
[17:39] <Olbi> no, I had w8 5 minuts :D
[17:40] <Olbi> 2 times :]
[17:40] <charlie-tca> wow
[17:40] <Olbi> now install :]
[17:40] <charlie-tca> okay, maybe it is a slow connection?
[17:40] <Olbi> 12 Mb/s :]
[17:40] <charlie-tca> faster than mine
[17:40] <charlie-tca> Mine will freeze, then go, then freeze, then go. It just takes about twice as long
[17:41] <Olbi> I install without and 3rd software whole disk
[17:42] <Olbi> timezone isnt working properly
[17:43] <charlie-tca> not detected properly or choosing manually?
[17:44] <Olbi> automated isnt' works, manula good
[17:44] <charlie-tca> Olbi: probably need to file a bug for timezones; boot the live session and file it using 
[17:45] <charlie-tca> ubuntu-bug ubiquity
[17:45] <charlie-tca> in a terminal
[17:45] <Olbi> ok, w8 only when system installs
[17:47] <charlie-tca> Oneconf crash seems to be fixed today!@
[17:48] <charlie-tca> too soon, apparently takes longer to crash today
[17:48] <knome> updated the top 10 doc
[17:49] <Olbi> omg, lightdm is awfull :]
[17:52] <charlie-tca> huh?
[17:53] <Olbi> it looks like logon screen in win98 :D
[17:57] <davmor2> Olbi: are you looking at the right one?  I see a really snazzy version on Ubuntu complete with rotating users etc
[17:57] <Olbi> I have daily oneiric from today 10:50 am
[17:59] <charlie-tca> Well, I don't remember what win98 used. I got a blue background, with a centered user list here
[18:00] <davmor2> charlie-tca: Ouch I'd of thought you would of poached the unity one and modded :(
[18:00] <charlie-tca> and it is a whole lot better then the unity greeter in black
[18:00] <davmor2> charlie-tca: or made your own pretty one
[18:00] <charlie-tca> we couldn't get it done in time. Since lightdm changed so many times, we have only had since featurefreeze to try and do anything,.
[18:01] <charlie-tca> no docs, no robert to ask, makes it really hard to cusomize
[18:01] <davmor2> charlie-tca: arse monkeys
[18:01] <Olbi> but gdm looks better when you logged in that lightdm now
[18:01] <charlie-tca> yup
[18:01] <charlie-tca> we tried really hard. 
[18:01] <charlie-tca> gdm is not going to be used
[18:02] <Olbi> I know it :]
[18:02] <charlie-tca> we are tired of fighting with it
[18:02] <Olbi> spox :]
[18:03] <Olbi> is it easier to change than gdm?
[18:03] <charlie-tca> If they don't screw us up anymore, we can have a really nice lightdm screen for the next release
[18:03] <charlie-tca> much easier
[18:03] <charlie-tca> gdm we have to do a lot of customizing just to make it work
[18:03] <davmor2> Olbi: from what the devs have said it's been really nice to work with :(
[18:04] <charlie-tca> However, change still takes time to do, and with a whole week or so, it just wasn't enough
[18:04] <Olbi> :)
[18:05] <charlie-tca> Ubuntu got four months or so, we got a whole week
[18:05] <davmor2> charlie-tca: you make is sound like a challenge ;)
[18:05] <charlie-tca> sorry, I didn't mean to :)
[18:06] <charlie-tca> I think the lightdm fiasco upset me more than most things do.
[18:07] <davmor2> charlie-tca: put some spin on it, in using lightdm we have made it as light as possible to get you to your desktop as quickly as possible, then it's a feature ;)
[18:07] <charlie-tca> heh, hadn't thought of it that way.
[18:07] <charlie-tca> I guess I just have to give it some thought 
[18:08] <davmor2> haha
[18:12] <charlie-tca> 5.8 earthquake in eastern United States today?
[18:56] <charlie-tca> Unit193: confirming the installer bug on i386 desktop images only. Doesn't affect 64bit images
[18:57] <Olbi> is it possible to remove Logout from Top right icon or change position with shutdown?
[19:01] <Unit193> charlie-tca: Alright, thanks. Mine has been marked as a dupe of one filed a few hours after it, didn't know you could do that :P
[19:01] <Unit193> But I don't really care
[19:07] <charlie-tca> I see that, and commented on the other bug too. They can not use the live session to install, but I can by clicking on the icon
[19:08] <charlie-tca> Olbi: no, at this late date, changes can not be done anymore. 
[19:09] <Olbi> I have bug of ubiquti :P
[19:09] <Olbi> error while try to install
[19:10] <Olbi> when check box with 3rd party soft
[19:15] <charlie-tca> got it
[19:15] <charlie-tca> bug 831519
[19:15] <charlie-tca> the number after name : will change, but the bug is the same
[19:21] <Olbi> testing autoresize partitioning :]
[19:21] <Olbi> next will be 32 bit LiveCD
[19:23] <Olbi> all works good :)
[19:26] <charlie-tca> we be banging heads soon, huh?
[19:26] <charlie-tca> Olbi: thanks for testing these! It is always good to make sure we cover enough, and the bugs are not just one person.
[19:27] <Olbi> hehe :D
[19:27] <Olbi> charlie-tca: what you mean with incorrect colors on installer?
[19:28] <charlie-tca> The headers are in pink, if I click on options, the text and background go black
[19:28] <charlie-tca> The Continue block is in gray, but the rest are in bright white
[19:29] <charlie-tca> Did you file a bug on timezones?
[19:29] <charlie-tca> seems not to work at all here now
[19:29] <Olbi> yep, noly manula works :P
[19:29] <Olbi> auto is crashed
[19:29] <charlie-tca> Oh, maybe the freeze instead...
[19:30] <charlie-tca> See, this really is fun :)
[19:30] <Olbi> i dont have freeze if I dont check boxes :D
[19:30] <charlie-tca> yeah, well, you know, gotta try it
[19:31] <charlie-tca> For some odd reason, the continue, back , etc boxes are reversed in colors
[19:32] <charlie-tca> Does autologin work now?
[19:32] <Olbi> i will check this one more time
[19:32] <Olbi> didnt check it yet
[19:32] <Olbi> only manual pass
[19:32] <charlie-tca> checked it this time
[19:32] <Olbi> ok
[19:56] <Olbi> how to login into livecd after logout?
[19:56] <Olbi> what are pass?
[19:57] <charlie-tca> user = ubuntu
[19:58] <charlie-tca> password = nothing, just hit enter
[19:58] <charlie-tca> auto-login fails on installations
[19:58] <charlie-tca> but, if we get things working, we can work on that
[20:00] <Olbi> you have right with colors
[20:00] <Olbi> pink characters on top
[20:01] <Olbi> and button Next doesnt have arrow
[20:02] <charlie-tca> lol
[20:03] <charlie-tca> That's okay, I will take the pink if we fix the real issues
[20:27] <Olbi> lol, alternate install corectly choose my timezone :D
[20:29] <charlie-tca> then it is an ubiquity bug, they use different installers for alternate and desktop images
[21:26] <charlie-tca> Okay, now that things are settled down a bit, I guess I can go for a walk.
[21:33] <Olbi> testing 32 bit LiveCD
[21:57] <Olbi> ok, done, I am too sleepy, altarnate 32 bit only left, but I think its same like 64 bit :)